[VIDEOS/PICTURES] How long before patience runs out with Haider Ali?

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good to see him among the runs, but as usual he is giving his wicket too cheaply. Make the damn 50 at least!

That said, it was a difficult pitch apparently, so can't really grumble too much.

 

[shamaan]

Your comparing oranges with apples The two have no relevance to esch other Abid just isnt good enough
Haider has potential but is playing a format where he doesnt have a chance to learn or take stock

He wont learn anything from playing domestic cricket? Wow So all the past legends were wrong that quality domestic cricket helps develop players from intnl cricket

At least playing dometic list A or FC games he ll learn the art of knowing which shot to play and when, how to go about innings, a method

At the moment he has no clue what hes doing out there Swiping across the line like a tailendee isnt going to make him a success at intnl cricket

So why hasn't it helped Abid Ali surely him scoring runs at domestic shows that he is good enough.

Did you watch his Innings today how calm and collected he was?.

Haider has played domestic list A and u19s.

 

[Zaz]

So why hasn't it helped Abid Ali surely him scoring runs at domestic shows that he is good enough.

Did you watch his Innings today how calm and collected he was?.

Haider has played domestic list A and u19s.

I think you are confused Why is abid being brought into this debate? For every abid theres others that have done well for pakistan and learnt their game based on playing domestic cricket

Very few young players are ready made for intnl cricket They need work, grooming and a lot of practice Its clear as daylight hes young and his game needs a lot of work Its not gonna improve solely playing t20s

I dont think thats too difficult to understand is it?

 

[shamaan]

Did he hit anything on the off side or mainly slogs to the leg side ?

He was picking up singles on both sides of the wicket and played a cut shot off the spinner that went to four.He hit a six straight but more towards the leg side.

 

[shamaan]

Difficult pitch but wasn't that great of a innings. Maybe just the two sixes were clean. Everything else seemed mishit or edge.

Very good Innings much better innings than the one he played against England.

 

[Saj]

Difficult pitch but wasn't that great of a innings. Maybe just the two sixes were clean. Everything else seemed mishit or edge.

The runs under his belt were the important thing and that will hopefully boost his confidence going forward. He has a lot of work to do on his batting and I just hope that he has that desire to improve.

 

[ElRaja]

only batsman to score more than 10 at a s.r of over hundred in the game, need to stick with him regardless of what happens cos he is the only pak batsmen who can up gears. i dont care if he doesnt perform for another 15 games, he needs to be in the t20 and odi team.

 

[MenInG]

QeA Trophy, Round 7, Day 1:


Both Huraira and Umar fell with the score at 119, at this stage Haider Ali was joined by Faizan Riaz. Haider took control by playing some typically aggressive shots in his stellar batting performance.

The right-hander fresh from a player of the match winning performance in the third Bangladesh-Pakistan T20I hit as many as many as 22 fours and one six in his unbeaten 141 off 168 balls.

Haider now has three first-class centuries to his name in only nine appearances.

Haider added 204 runs in the unbroken fourth-wicket alliance with Faizan Riaz who proved the perfect foil for Haider with 57 off 131 balls (five fours). Muhammad Ali with two wickets was the most successful bowler of the day for Central Punjab.

 

[PakEngFan]

Beautiful stroke play. It’s about time he stops playing them ugly hoicks and sticks to traditional strokes which he clearly has. He has so much ability but lack of temperament and poor shot selection has been his downfall. Hopefully doesn’t get picked against West Indies so he can play domestics.

 

[hitthestump]

Beautiful stroke play. It’s about time he stops playing them ugly hoicks and sticks to traditional strokes which he clearly has. He has so much ability but lack of temperament and poor shot selection has been his downfall. Hopefully doesn’t get picked against West Indies so he can play domestics.

Basically shades of Umar Akmal all over again.

I'd would do the one thing we never tried with Umar. Use Haider solely as an opener and give him a license. I think we need to keep it as simple and brainless as possible with this guy.

 

[PakEngFan]

Basically shades of Umar Akmal all over again.

I'd would do the one thing we never tried with Umar. Use Haider solely as an opener and give him a license. I think we need to keep it as simple and brainless as possible with this guy.

I hope not he hasn’t shown any attitude problems or not working on his game. The problem is that he’s playing too much of circus cricket which is not good for his development. Let’s him concentrate on FC and I believe he will be much better.

 

[Mobashir]

Beautiful stroke play. It’s about time he stops playing them ugly hoicks and sticks to traditional strokes which he clearly has. He has so much ability but lack of temperament and poor shot selection has been his downfall. Hopefully doesn’t get picked against West Indies so he can play domestics.

This is a first class match. In international cricket he is selected in T20's...

 

[ElRaja]

he looks like a top quality batsmen when he doesnt play slogs, and his early performances for pak u-19 in south africa and first class games for northern showed he had the temperament and skills to play proper cricket.

playing all the games till the end of the season will do him good, defo should play for Pak A in first class games.

 

[Amjid Javed]

needs to be kept away from T20 international team until he develops better temperament and shot selection. Dont want another brainless Umar Akmal type scenario

 

[Nasty Naz]

Some lovely cover drives and pretty much everything on the off-side from the highlights which is great to see. Incredible strike rate too.

Really excited for him long-term and hopefully the shift of more modern batsmen coming up the ranks like him with high SR.

 

[gazza619]

Potential replacement for Fawad Alam?

 

[ElRaja]

Some lovely cover drives and pretty much everything on the off-side from the highlights which is great to see. Incredible strike rate too.

Really excited for him long-term and hopefully the shift of more modern batsmen coming up the ranks like him with high SR.

exactly, at 28 seconds, thats the typical ball hed try to moose to cow corner in a t20 and pbly sky or miss time, but played a proper cut to it. i would love to see him play 10 more first class games.

 

[angrypathan]

Great to see that most of his runs seem to have been scored on the offside. In T20is far too often he has shown a tendency to try and hoick everything to the leg side. Haider has so much potential and playing a couple of seasons of FC cricket would be fantastic for his development.

 

[asadee]

Maiden first class double hundred for Haider today

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Basically shades of Umar Akmal all over again.

I'd would do the one thing we never tried with Umar. Use Haider solely as an opener and give him a license. I think we need to keep it as simple and brainless as possible with this guy.

Bit harsh. Umar Akmal kept failing despite being a PERMANENT member of the squad. Haider's barely in it.
Umar Akmal's failure was also his own but also managements. They never knew where to place him in the squad and kept changing his positions. In the end they kept him as a slogger after Misbah and co would play the middle of the innings as slow as possible and he had no choice but to slog to keep his spot. Never learning how to bat.
Keep Haider at 4/5. I think he would be best suited there. Especially at 5 I would say.

 

[MenInG]

Haider Ali 206:

Over at the National Bank of Pakistan Sports Complex, resuming his innings at 141, the hugely promising Haider Ali registered the maiden double-century of his first-class career. The 21-year-old was eventually dismissed for a scintillating 206 off 221 balls (27 fours, four sixes).

Haider added 229 for the fourth-wicket with Faizan Riaz who contributed 67 as Northern amassed 445 for eight in 106 overs before declaring their innings.

 

[ChTab]

Great to see him playing a QEA Trophy game after such a long time & I am so glad that he performed amazingly in the game.

TBH this is the standard of our premier First Class competition the same Haider Ali looks like an ugly slogger or a tailender most of the time he plays for Pakistan.

 

[shamaan]

This is how crap the pitches has been that it makes you look like younis khan or inzy.

 

[James]

Haider currently on 67* from just 37 balls in the first T20 against West Indies — six 4s and four 6s — looking very good ahead of the final over!

 

[The_KING]

Good innings

 

[YousafTheBeast]

How does one lose patience with a 21 year old*

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Hes a fine batsman. Another gem for Pakistan . Some real quality coming from Pakistan these days after nearly 15 years of mediocrity.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Man of the match today for his 68.

 

[shamaan]

How does one lose patience with a 21 year old����*

Only Pakistan fans can loose patience with youngsters but willing to give the seniors the benefit of the doubt.

 

[shamaan]

I bet the people who said he's a leg side hack will be hiding right now .

 

[shamaan]

The best thing about this Innings was that he took 10 balls to get set and then he started playing calculated risks.

 

[Hassaan HS]

Haider Ali, Player of the Match in the 1st T20I vs WI:

I would rate this innings against the West Indies as 10/10.

Rizwan supported me to build my innings. Got a good score in the end.

The way Rizwan played, it inspired confidence. Pitch was a little difficult, was helping spinners.

I'm willing to play wherever the team wants.

 

[Syed1]

I was one of those who called him the second coming of Umar Akmal. Happy to be proven wrong, he has been better since his return to the playing eleven. Haider need coaching lessons from Bobby everyday on how to keep calm and maintain composure, rest he has the natural talent to hit three shots per ball.


Does he remind anyone else of Yuvraj Singh?

 

[NauV]

Pakistan have managed Haider Ali terribly!
Has played most if not all of his cricket as an opener . .
He has batted everywhere for Pak . . 3, 4, 5, 6 . . that is not how you groom a young batter . .

Secondly, as we do so often, we are trying to categorize him as a power hitter . . An absolute blunder! I want to speak to the brains behind it . .
Haider Ali is a proper player! He has 3 centuries in 9 first class games . . on top of that, he has the ability to score quickly . . there aren't many in Pak who can do that . . Another major advantage Haider Ali has on any other batter in Pak is his bat speed . . That six he hit yesterday of a short ball was testament to that fact.
So, groom him as a proper player first . . don't label him as a hitter . . we will ruin his career . .

Having said that, I also admit that his own development had stalled in the last couple of years . . he hasn't made a lot of improvements to his game . . His shot selection is still very questionable . . So he needs to work hard . .

 

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Playing a good knock in the final of the QeA.

52* for Northern against KPK.

 

[ChTab]

What a stupid way to get out.

 

[shamaan]

Absolute brainless

 

[Zaz]

What a stupid way to get out.

Video?

 

[ChTab]

Video?

No idea just started watching on youtube live stream & Haider played that stupid shot & got caught & long on.

 

[Zaz]

No idea just started watching on youtube live stream & Haider played that stupid shot & got caught & long on.

Well this is what he needs to cut out and hopefully playing more fc will hone his batting and reduce these brain fades

 

[ChTab]

Well this is what he needs to cut out and hopefully playing more fc will hone his batting and reduce these brain fades

Exactly, hoping at least one of Haider or Huraira to become an ATG for Pakistan at least.

 

[MenInG]

 

[asadee]

Missed out on a certain 100 but looked really good!

 

[Last Monetarist]

Brief highlights of his innings:

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And his dismissal:

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[Zaz]

Ended up gifting his wicket away A very poor dismissal in the end

 

[ElRaja]

absolutely terrible way to get out, made room to hit over off then dragged a wide ball to long on. should not take away from the fact that against the pacers he looked at ridiculous ease however.

his off side play is very strong, just needs a season or two of batting against spinners to work out his game when there isnt any pace on the ball.

 

[Bewal Express]

I saw his innings today and he looks at ease. None of the batting numbers that you see from him at the T20 level.He has so many shots all around the park. His only weakness is that planting of the foot and playing around it. Sort that out and we have an excellent prospect at test level

 

[The Googly]

I saw his innings today and he looks at ease. None of the batting numbers that you see from him at the T20 level.He has so many shots all around the park. His only weakness is that planting of the foot and playing around it. Sort that out and we have an excellent prospect at test level

Abdullah Shafiq
Hurera
Haider

Has to be out test batting future

 

[Bewal Express]

I saw his innings today and he looks at ease. None of the batting numbers that you see from him at the T20 level.He has so many shots all around the park. His only weakness is that planting of the foot and playing around it. Sort that out and we have an excellent prospect at test level

Edit
Should have said batting by numbers

 

[Bewal Express]

Abdullah Shafiq
Hurera
Haider

Has to be out test batting future

These guys look proper players and will need patience and opportunities

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Haider Ali's last 6 scores:<br><br>81<br>22<br>31<br>68<br>206<br>45<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1475178340214521859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[GoUgandaCranes]

Abdullah Shafiq
Hurera
Haider

Has to be out test batting future

Huraira may take some time but it's time for Haider to be included in the test team now. Saud and Haider should be the two immediate additions to the test team against Australia.

 

[Zaz]

Huraira may take some time but it's time for Haider to be included in the test team now. Saud and Haider should be the two immediate additions to the test team against Australia.

Too soon for haider

Another couple of seasons of fc cricket and understanding what it takes to make big runs and not to give your wkt away softly is what haider need at the moment

 

[The Googly]

Huraira may take some time but it's time for Haider to be included in the test team now. Saud and Haider should be the two immediate additions to the test team against Australia.

True
But Azhar Ali and Fawad Alan will be kept until they beg to be dropped. Seniority complex gives a sense of entitlement in Pakistan which we need to eliminate but won’t be easy.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Too soon for haider

Another couple of seasons of fc cricket and understanding what it takes to make big runs and not to give your wkt away softly is what haider need at the moment

I used to think the same but not anymore and the reason for that is T20. If he plays a bit more domestic cricket, he'll start hoicking everything on the legside and lose his offside game. He also has spent a couple of years in the circuit already and it's a good time to introduce him to the test setup if not the playing 11.

We have a proper player in Babar, it's time for him to mentor the younger players who have the potential to play test cricket. Plus, I'm not into medical science so I don't know but I don't think that Abid will be back to cricket in the next few months.

 

[The Googly]

Pakistan will not realise it's potential in cricket and all other aspects (economy) etc until we make brave decisions, correct decisions, merit based decisions and get rid of the seniority/nepotism issues. A SENA contry would be in uproar if :

1. A fat kid is selected for the national team cos his Dad was a famous ex player (Azam Khan).
2. A bespectacled kid with limited talent is picked cos his Uncle is a selector (Imam) (ok the glasses is no big deal)
3. An aging player moans because his salary has been reduced and as a result is retained (Kamran Akmal)
4. A fat, rubbish Umar Akmal is selected in PSL and taking the place of someone more deserving.
5. A player is past it for several years and is so clearly no longer international class but cannot be dropped cos he is a senior (Azhar). Learn from the ruthless approach of the Aussies.


There are many many more examples. Come on Pakistan. Be brave. Drop players at the right time. Be ruthless and show some guts.

 

[Cric1234]

A lot depends whether he’s a favourite of the coach and captain we have seen players selected less on merit but on being a favourite in the past and having some unknown ability which never came to fruition.

In tests fans have been influenced that slow players are the way to go strokemakers like Umar and Haider are T20 type sloggers and players like Shafiq Azhar are the ones to win matches outside Asia even Shoaib Malik was selected in tests merit or favouritism you tell me.

 

[hitthestump]

Too soon for haider

Another couple of seasons of fc cricket and understanding what it takes to make big runs and not to give your wkt away softly is what haider need at the moment

Absolutely. What Haider needs to learn about batting can only come with time. His talent is not the question but it's his application.

We need to learn from Umar Akmal as there are plenty of parallels between the two so far.

 

[Junaids]

Pakistan will not realise it's potential in cricket and all other aspects (economy) etc until we make brave decisions, correct decisions, merit based decisions and get rid of the seniority/nepotism issues. A SENA contry would be in uproar if :

1. A fat kid is selected for the national team cos his Dad was a famous ex player (Azam Khan).
2. A bespectacled kid with limited talent is picked cos his Uncle is a selector (Imam) (ok the glasses is no big deal)
3. An aging player moans because his salary has been reduced and as a result is retained (Kamran Akmal)
4. A fat, rubbish Umar Akmal is selected in PSL and taking the place of someone more deserving.
5. A player is past it for several years and is so clearly no longer international class but cannot be dropped cos he is a senior (Azhar). Learn from the ruthless approach of the Aussies.


There are many many more examples. Come on Pakistan. Be brave. Drop players at the right time. Be ruthless and show some guts.

This is the best post that I have ever seen on PakPassion. You've absolutely nailed it.

 

[The Googly]

This is the best post that I have ever seen on PakPassion. You've absolutely nailed it.

Thank you Junaid Sahib

 

[Savak]

Pakistan will not realise it's potential in cricket and all other aspects (economy) etc until we make brave decisions, correct decisions, merit based decisions and get rid of the seniority/nepotism issues. A SENA contry would be in uproar if :

1. A fat kid is selected for the national team cos his Dad was a famous ex player (Azam Khan).
2. A bespectacled kid with limited talent is picked cos his Uncle is a selector (Imam) (ok the glasses is no big deal)
3. An aging player moans because his salary has been reduced and as a result is retained (Kamran Akmal)
4. A fat, rubbish Umar Akmal is selected in PSL and taking the place of someone more deserving.
5. A player is past it for several years and is so clearly no longer international class but cannot be dropped cos he is a senior (Azhar). Learn from the ruthless approach of the Aussies.


There are many many more examples. Come on Pakistan. Be brave. Drop players at the right time. Be ruthless and show some guts.

One can argue that countries like India, Australia are able to make brave decisions because they have other options to replace non-performing players.

Pakistan did not have any such luxuries for a while but the emergence of Abdullah Shafiq, Haider Ali, Muhammad Hurraira, Kamran Ghulam, Saud Shakeel e.t.c. have given the selectors some options.

 

[The Googly]

One can argue that countries like India, Australia are able to make brave decisions because they have other options to replace non-performing players.

Pakistan did not have any such luxuries for a while but the emergence of Abdullah Shafiq, Haider Ali, Muhammad Hurraira, Kamran Ghulam, Saud Shakeel e.t.c. have given the selectors some options.

I think India have same issues as Pakistan. But certainly the SENA countries do not have issues with nepotism and seniority.

 

[shamaan]

Saud Shakeel and Kamran Ghullam should get chances first.

Then Abdullah Shafique and Hurraira
Haider Ali would be better suited to 5/6

 

[shamaan]

I used to think the same but not anymore and the reason for that is T20. If he plays a bit more domestic cricket, he'll start hoicking everything on the legside and lose his offside game. He also has spent a couple of years in the circuit already and it's a good time to introduce him to the test setup if not the playing 11.

We have a proper player in Babar, it's time for him to mentor the younger players who have the potential to play test cricket. Plus, I'm not into medical science so I don't know but I don't think that Abid will be back to cricket in the next few months.

If Abid doesn't be back in time for next test then Azhar should open with Saud Shakeel at 3

 

[gazza619]

Pakistan will not realise it's potential in cricket and all other aspects (economy) etc until we make brave decisions, correct decisions, merit based decisions and get rid of the seniority/nepotism issues. A SENA contry would be in uproar if :

1. A fat kid is selected for the national team cos his Dad was a famous ex player (Azam Khan).
2. A bespectacled kid with limited talent is picked cos his Uncle is a selector (Imam) (ok the glasses is no big deal)
3. An aging player moans because his salary has been reduced and as a result is retained (Kamran Akmal)
4. A fat, rubbish Umar Akmal is selected in PSL and taking the place of someone more deserving.
5. A player is past it for several years and is so clearly no longer international class but cannot be dropped cos he is a senior (Azhar). Learn from the ruthless approach of the Aussies.


There are many many more examples. Come on Pakistan. Be brave. Drop players at the right time. Be ruthless and show some guts.

This deserves a thread on its own. Good post. Wouldn't mind if you add a few more points.

 

[Forum363]

Pakistan will not realise it's potential in cricket and all other aspects (economy) etc until we make brave decisions, correct decisions, merit based decisions and get rid of the seniority/nepotism issues. A SENA contry would be in uproar if :

1. A fat kid is selected for the national team cos his Dad was a famous ex player (Azam Khan).
2. A bespectacled kid with limited talent is picked cos his Uncle is a selector (Imam) (ok the glasses is no big deal)
3. An aging player moans because his salary has been reduced and as a result is retained (Kamran Akmal)
4. A fat, rubbish Umar Akmal is selected in PSL and taking the place of someone more deserving.
5. A player is past it for several years and is so clearly no longer international class but cannot be dropped cos he is a senior (Azhar). Learn from the ruthless approach of the Aussies.


There are many many more examples. Come on Pakistan. Be brave. Drop players at the right time. Be ruthless and show some guts.

Makes no sense to include Imam with the likes of Azam khan and the akmals.

Imam has been very steady and reliable for us and as a young player has scored a lot of international runs. You could argue he has minnow bashed but his record is still there. He will be an important player for us over the next decade I feel.

 

[Saj]

So frustrating at times this lad.

Comes in and plays some wonderful, proper shots which race to the boundary. Then he plays such a lousy and useless shot and is heading back to the pavilion.

Needs to up his game and add consistency.

 

[asadee]

Still has not learnt how to build an innings

 

[MenInG]

So frustrating at times this lad.

Comes in and plays some wonderful, proper shots which race to the boundary. Then he plays such a lousy and useless shot and is heading back to the pavilion.

Needs to up his game and add consistency.

His dismissal

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A decent innings by Haider.

Tried his best, but the required rate was too high.

 

[Zaz]

A decent innings by Haider.

Tried his best, but the required rate was too high.

Far from decent He shouldve been out 2-3 times at least if the fielding was half competent

 

[finalfantasy7]

run out on 49 today, very good knock, Rutherford should be batting at 5 head off malik, rutherford has better all round shots and can sty in, malik will just do a fast 20 from 12 balls and wont reach the capable 40 runs mark required for a no.5

 

[finalfantasy7]

however he missed a sitter of a catch when fakhar was on 59, didn't cost the team many runs, but still needs to catch them.

 

[offstump]

He’s a clean hitter but overall this was a lucky innings. A good fielding side would have had him out much earlier on. Regardless, I think he’s still an asset in the T20 squad given his strike rate and power hitting ability.

 

[Saj]

Hit and miss innings today against LQ.

The trouble was Talat did him no favours at all with his awful innings and he had to chase what was a very tough target.

 

[Snowflake]

I was a fan of this guy initially, but instead of improving, I've noticed that his game has deteriorated!

He's become extremely legside focused and is always looking to clear his front leg and slog towards the on side. Better bowlers are going to sort him out in a jiffy!

 

[Wahid1234]

Haider need to knuckle down and start performing he’s too hit and miss can play some brilliant shots but lacks the patience which is sad to see

 

[Wahid1234]

Too many aerial shots and leg side hacks needs to play straight

 

[Cric1234]

I was a fan of this guy initially, but instead of improving, I've noticed that his game has deteriorated!

He's become extremely legside focused and is always looking to clear his front leg and slog towards the on side. Better bowlers are going to sort him out in a jiffy!

He played plenty of decent offside shots in first class cricket it’s T20 all players tend to take the leg side route Haider is a long term option in tests and ODIs the more he plays international cricket in those formats the more he will develop.

 

[shamaan]

Far from decent He shouldve been out 2-3 times at least if the fielding was half competent

Atleast he's trying to give me 5-10 balls before going big which is the right idea.