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[VIDEOS/PICTURES] How long before patience runs out with Haider Ali?

Not part of the 16-member ODI squad - no idea why not - best time for him to get his confidence going?
 
It’s all very well criticising the kid, but has anyone in the NCA or the million other so called coaches in the national setup taken him under their wing?

In the age of absolute dour batsmen who’s idea of batting is to plod away at a strike rate of 30, he really could be a breath of fresh air if someone can try and get the best out of him?

If we let him rot away it will be a big missed opportunity.
 
The concern is that is this lad just going to fade away into the distance just like other Pakistani batters have over the years or is he going to come good and are the coaches going to get the best out of him?

His biggest problem seems to be his lack of patience which leads to a rash shot.
 
Imad Wasim in our interview:

PakPassion.net: What would be your advice to Haider Ali who seems to have fallen on the wayside due to his recent performances?

Imad Wasim: I would advise him to keep on being positive and doing what he does best which is to play aggressively. I know that some will not agree with my views on this and would like him to change his style of play and attitude, but I do not agree with that. The way cricket is going nowadays, he needs to play his aggressive brand of cricket and yes there will be ups and downs in his career, but he needs to keep his mindset positive and hopefully as he gets more chances, he will perform better.

Players like Haider Ali are match-winners on their day so never write them off and instead give them more opportunities and make them feel secure and they will shine. A lot of people will say that he has had lots of chances and should be discarded but we all saw how England changed their game since they gave the likes of Jason Roy and others chances to prove themselves. Those players became superstars and helped England become a force to be reckoned with as well. So, my advice to Haider would be to stay positive and keep on doing what he knows best and not worry about the opinions of people. This is because people change their opinions in a matter of two innings.
 
Strange decision not to play Haider Ali today. Ideal opportunity to give him a chance ahead of the final especially when several of the batters are struggling.

Is he in UAE just for sightseeing?
 
Saj said:
Strange decision not to play Haider Ali today. Ideal opportunity to give him a chance ahead of the final especially when several of the batters are struggling.

Is he in UAE just for sightseeing?
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He’s not friends of Babar Azam. If so he can play 10 games without a run.
 
Oh God! He is just as terrible as Khushfail. So we definitely need Shan Masood but not sure who is the other to replace Ifthikhar.
 
OmaIR1 said:
Oh God! He is just as terrible as Khushfail. So we definitely need Shan Masood but not sure who is the other to replace Ifthikhar.
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Where is Shan Masood's name popping up from? He is in the same category of players as Babar and Rizwan, but not as talented. Shan has hit only 2 sixes in 5 matches in the ongoing t20 cup. Saim Ayub has hit 11 in 6.
 
Saim even though hit 11 sixes , all of them barely cleared the boundary, the guy seriously needs to eat more meat, but I guess he is still better than the infamous trio
 
asfandyar said:
Where is Shan Masood's name popping up from? He is in the same category of players as Babar and Rizwan, but not as talented. Shan has hit only 2 sixes in 5 matches in the ongoing t20 cup. Saim Ayub has hit 11 in 6.
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Shaan didn’t hit many sixes in T20 blast in England but he was consistently making runs.He had an excellent stint with Derbyshire.
 
Fenrir said:
Shaan didn’t hit many sixes in T20 blast in England but he was consistently making runs.He had an excellent stint with Derbyshire.
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In that case, he can replace Ifti bhai, but we still need clean hitters to replace Asif and Khushdil.
 
Saj said:
Strange decision not to play Haider Ali today. Ideal opportunity to give him a chance ahead of the final especially when several of the batters are struggling.

Is he in UAE just for sightseeing?
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Its a very strange decision The bowlers were rotated against sri lanka why werent the bstters? Esp like you said when most of the batters are struggling for runs

Haider shouldve played
 
We definitely need to back Haider Ali (massive talent), but I think dropping Khushdil/Ifti for the final will not be the best for either's confidence. It may pay off, like Fakhar's midway inclusion in the CT, but it's probably best to back Khushdil and Iftikhar (he seems to be timing it well, but a few soft dismissals) for at least the final. However, the way the forms are going at the moment, I'd like to Shadab/Nawaz at 5 for the time being.
 
Big chance to impress for Haider Ali this - will he oblige?
 
As hit or miss Haider might be, this is the style of cricket required in T20 cricket. Players like Shan, Iftikhar and Kushdil is not required.
 
Babar is using Haider Ali as a consolidator and saving Shan Masood for late-order hitting. Brilliant.
 
Dreadful innings on a flat wicket. To be honest he piled pressure on himself by playing the way he did and the first time he went for it, out.
 
bones said:
Dreadful innings on a flat wicket. To be honest he piled pressure on himself by playing the way he did and the first time he went for it, out.
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Did not look convincing at all. Afraid time is moving on for Haider now.
 
Babar and Rizwan gave Pakistan a good start but Haider came and sucked the whole momentum of the innings. Simply not good enough.
 
He played 9 singles in a row and then got out attempting the first big shot .

His approach was correct . As a number 3 batsman with 10 overs to play no need to go hell for leather from ball one .
 
Keeps finding strange and poor ways to get himself out.

Some really lousy shots.
 
He’s probably rusty as he hasn't had an innings for a while but he should be given more chances sending him to open to hit over the top would be an interesting move but Babar wouldn’t demote himself no matter even if it benefits the team.
 
Saj said:
Keeps finding strange and poor ways to get himself out.

Some really lousy shots.
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He’s not had any competitive cricket for close to 6 months and even then it’s been sporadic. A young player is needed to play play play to develop. Yes, it’s disappointing that he didn’t go big, but he needs to be given all the rope in the world. Because there aren’t many other Pakistani middle order bats left
 
His approach was fine but then he needs to kick on.Should be given all 7 games.
 
Everyone has been calling for Fakhar Zaman’s head after a forgettable Asia Cup. I just hope that after these 7 games, Haider Ali isn’t making us even more angry than Fakhar was!
 
Really timid innings today despite having a good platform.

Seems like lots of people have drilled into him to play "sensibly" and cut out the big shots. However his aggression was his strength, no point trying (and failing) to be an accumulator like Babar or Rizwan which he isn't.

Needs patience from management and a proper run in this series. If he still fails then he can't have any complaints.
 
The_KING said:
Babar and Rizwan gave Pakistan a good start but Haider came and sucked the whole momentum of the innings. Simply not good enough.
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Yes lets point fingers at the youngster who has never been given a proper run in one position in his career so far.

Babar destroyed the momentum at one stage he was playing with a S/r of 180+ but by the time he got out he was batting at s/r of 129.

So Babar sucked the momentum out of Pakistani batting when he despite being set didn't score any boundary in his last 17 balls, for comparison his 1st 7 balls had three 4's, 1 triple & no dot ball.
 
Markhor said:
Really timid innings today despite having a good platform.

Seems like lots of people have drilled into him to play "sensibly" and cut out the big shots. However his aggression was his strength, no point trying (and failing) to be an accumulator like Babar or Rizwan which he isn't.

Needs patience from management and a proper run in this series. If he still fails then he can't have any complaints.
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this, the irony is that he was a "proper" cricket batsman, with 3 and 4 day hundreds, before he was turned into a hitter in the psl. now seems like he wants to be an accumulator again.

all he needs to do is hit proper cricket shots, but with aggressive intent, that's when he's at his best. even the shot to get out today seemed like he was in two minds.
 
Give him the freedom and max chances to play before the worldcup. England and tri series. If he fails to come good, kick him out forever.
 
ElRaja said:
this, the irony is that he was a "proper" cricket batsman, with 3 and 4 day hundreds, before he was turned into a hitter in the psl. now seems like he wants to be an accumulator again.

all he needs to do is hit proper cricket shots, but with aggressive intent, that's when he's at his best. even the shot to get out today seemed like he was in two minds.
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His game seems to have regressed. The crouch has become more pronounced and plays too many across the line hoicks. But would still prefer him over Khushdil and Asif. Agree about the mishandling part. He had (and perhaps still has) the potential to be an all format player for Pakistan but has been reduced to a slogger.
 
He seemed under a lot of pressure yesterday n played accordingly.
He needs to be given confidence n told to go out their n bat his game..
I am disappointed in baner azam as a captain, as he is a very defensive person by nature n la ks the mettle to lead men.
He's made the team into an 11 of submissive men.
 
Didnt see the innings but it is high time we give all 7 games to Haider and conclude our thoughts on him for good.
 
You put yourself in Haider Ali's shoes and it is not easy. You start to hit out and get out people will call you reckless, if you take singles they call you slow. He is making a comeback after 9 months and yes i agree last night's inning was a failure but management at least needs to tell him no matter what he is playing 5 matches straight to prove himself
 
Mods can we put this thread to bed.

It is a norm with Pakistan setup for the last 12 years i believe, to give short end of the stick to young players , shatter their confidence and also make them scapegoat for series loss to save senior leeches faces.

Pakistans batsman cupboard is not bringing them out Warner and Kohli every time they open it..

He was in bench for one whole tournament (Asia cup) watching players who are not as good as him to get chances ahead of him..

They should give Haider and Shan Masood this entire series + CWC + NZ tri series before taking any decisions on them..

Inconsistent chances kills the development of a player.. Haider would have been the 2nd best and reliable batman than Babar by now if he had coach like Mickey when he made the debut.. Shan Masood had a great run in Derby due to this and he is back in the team now (quite late)

Babar was also called the same when he was making low scores especially in Tests , calls to drop him but Mickey persisted with him and look what he is today...
 
MenInG said:
Did not look convincing at all. Afraid time is moving on for Haider now.
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Stop... Apart from Haider , Shan and Usman Qadir. the remaining 8 players were continuously playing for the last 3 months and they still fail except Rizwan who played with some intent ytd.. lets talk about them..
 
Mamoon said:
Mental midget.
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Mental midgets are the think tank, dont have the eye to look at the potential of a player..

They can give so many games to duds and old men like Chacha Ifti , Khusdil and Asif Ali...

But when comes to Shan and Haider , they cant serioulsy!!...
 
He last played an International in December for crying out loud. Give him some time
 
ElRaja said:
this, the irony is that he was a "proper" cricket batsman, with 3 and 4 day hundreds, before he was turned into a hitter in the psl. now seems like he wants to be an accumulator again.

all he needs to do is hit proper cricket shots, but with aggressive intent, that's when he's at his best. even the shot to get out today seemed like he was in two minds
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That paints the picture of what management and captain are doing inside the dressing room..Clueless..

This is why you need pro coaches like Mickey, Moody etc to lead and guide youngsters and their thoughts towards the game...
 
Seemed apprehensive and gun shy. This is the culture of pak cricket. He’s hardly been given a chance and probably feels he’s playing for his spot.

Unless we get out of this culture, we will never get the best out of any players. All we’ll ever see our tuk tuk masters who play for their place.

England got out of their pre 2015 rut by giving batsmen the licence to hit out.

I’m sure given the endless chances that Iftikhar and Khushdil have, he will succeed but I don’t think the team management want him to succeed. Rather have babar’s mates in
 
They need to give him confidence Tell him he wont be dropped Go out and play zkeep it simple See ball hit ball

Its important management dont panic and hopefully we ll see him come out of his shell
 
The positive thing is he was played after so much of hue and cry.

Everyone need to be patient here at least they are doing something to solve the issue. Ideally this kid should be opening pakistan batting problem will not be solved untill babar and rizwan sacrifice opening slot and move down, least one of them
 
ChTab said:
Yes lets point fingers at the youngster who has never been given a proper run in one position in his career so far.

Babar destroyed the momentum at one stage he was playing with a S/r of 180+ but by the time he got out he was batting at s/r of 129.

So Babar sucked the momentum out of Pakistani batting when he despite being set didn't score any boundary in his last 17 balls, for comparison his 1st 7 balls had three 4's, 1 triple & no dot ball.
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Regardless, when Babar got out, the score was 85 in 9.3 overs. When Haider got out, the score was 109 in 13.3 overs. Haider and Rizwan put on 24 runs in 24 balls and for that, both deserve criticism.

As for Haider, he has played enough games now. He isn’t some newcomer. It is about time he starts justifying his talent.
 
The_KING said:
Regardless, when Babar got out, the score was 85 in 9.3 overs. When Haider got out, the score was 109 in 13.3 overs. Haider and Rizwan put on 24 runs in 24 balls and for that, both deserve criticism.

As for Haider, he has played enough games now. He isn’t some newcomer. It is about time he starts justifying his talent.
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His last T20I scores read 45(38), 68(39) and 31(34) yet our brainless management dropped him after that series. They didn't even give him the dead rubber vs Sri Lanka in Asia Cup.

No wonder he batted like a nervous wreck. He needs a proper run and if he doesn't produce, then yes he won't have anyone else to blame.
 
He needs to bat with freedom, let him express himself. I still remember that debut against England. Played some really good shots, in fact he hit his second ball for a six.

Promising talent, needs to be backed.
 
At the bare minimum, and barring injury, he should play this whole England series, the whole NZ-BD tri series and the whole T20 WC.
 
Markhor said:
His last T20I scores read 45(38), 68(39) and 31(34) yet our brainless management dropped him after that series. They didn't even give him the dead rubber vs Sri Lanka in Asia Cup.

No wonder he batted like a nervous wreck. He needs a proper run and if he doesn't produce, then yes he won't have anyone else to blame.
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Exactly - great point. He has a much much higher ceiling than the (un)dynamic duo of ifti and khush
 
Give him all 7 matches against England and then let's see where we are with him.

Back him, give him confidence and the license to attack - look at what England has done with Harry Brook.
 
He was clearly not playing his natural game. Someone needs to tell him you will play all matches just go express yourself
 
Saj said:
Give him all 7 matches against England and then let's see where we are with him.

Back him, give him confidence and the license to attack - look at what England has done with Harry Brook.
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I feel for Haider - Lord knows what goes through his mind when he walks in.

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He got out on the same flick shot he played while practicing. I'm afraid Saim Ayub will also get out to cute shots like these. They need to bulk up and strengthen their wrists to successfully execute such shots. Or somehow convince Babar and Rizwan to move down so they can get max overs in power play.
 
Seems like the same case as Sohaib Maqsood. But to Sohaib’s credit he at least had a handful of good scores in internationals before he was dropped for good.

This guy i haven’t seen doing much of anything. Him, Asif Ali, Khushdil seem to be in the team because we don’t have anyone else.
 
asadee said:
He was clearly not playing his natural game. Someone needs to tell him you will play all matches just go express yourself
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I won’t say he was not playing his natural game . When your coming in at no 3 with 10 overs left your playing as a batsman and therefore no harm in taking 6-7 balls to get in.

Haider only played 2 dot balls so he was rotating the strike well enough . The problem is the first attacking shot he played he got out .

On another day if that goes for 6 all of a sudden he’s 17 of 12 and he can build from there .

Give the guy a chance
 
Markhor said:
His last T20I scores read 45(38), 68(39) and 31(34) yet our brainless management dropped him after that series. They didn't even give him the dead rubber vs Sri Lanka in Asia Cup.

No wonder he batted like a nervous wreck. He needs a proper run and if he doesn't produce, then yes he won't have anyone else to blame.
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He needs a proper run, because he is talented. But he needs to make it count, otherwise we will forever be stuck with useless seniors like Asif Ali, Ifthikar uncle.
 
Markhor said:
Really timid innings today despite having a good platform.

Seems like lots of people have drilled into him to play "sensibly" and cut out the big shots. However his aggression was his strength, no point trying (and failing) to be an accumulator like Babar or Rizwan which he isn't.

Needs patience from management and a proper run in this series. If he still fails then he can't have any complaints.
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Tully bazi mat karo. "proper" batsmen bano. That's Pakistan cricket for you.

They keep him around on the roster too so he can properly warm the bench and also not hone his skill in domestic. You had batsmen playing horribly throughout the Asia Cup and he still couldn't get a game in. If he was only going to play if an injury occurred, is it worth having him on the roster for solely that instead of letting him play in National T20 Cup.

I'm not even sure Haider even knows what his role is supposed to be. Is he supposed to be aggressive and play big shots and potentially get out or accumulate? If a wicket falls early, what's his role? Play slow or keep attacking? Internally, Pakistan needs to clarify what their players roles are first.
 
He is a mental midget. He cannot handle the pressure of international cricket.

Bye bye.
 
The problem is these are the best batsmen we have in the domestics. The whole Pakistani cricket culture is one timid circus.
 
Rubbish player. He looks as bad as Khusdil. Just hope Fakhar regains some form along with Asif.
 
China copy of Iyer

Can't play short ball at all, he will be headless chicken in Australia
 
I would still play him in all the matches but because he is junior he will be benched instead of Chacha Ifti
 
That was a poor dismissal. I am afraid with this technique against short bowling he will be a disaster in Australia.
 
The short ball has been a problem for a while. He needs to return to domestic cricket, work on the issue, then return a better player. No point taking him to Australia.
 
Always worrying when a batter closes his eyes when playing a shot at any level of cricket.

He seemed very unsettled against the pace of Wood, probably due to the fact that he hasn't come up against such bowlers during his career very often.
 
His batting has really regressed. He plays too many cross bat shots. I have not seen one single flawless innings by him where he has not offered a chance to the opposition. It is pretty clear that he needs to be sent back to domestic cricket and needs to earn his spot in the national side having scored a mountain of runs.
 
Saj said:
Always worrying when a batter closes his eyes when playing a shot at any level of cricket.

He seemed very unsettled against the pace of Wood, probably due to the fact that he hasn't come up against such bowlers during his career very often.
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This was embarrassing

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Ya get after the young guy. All those who are questioning Haider technique, did you guys watched dismissal of Salt, babar as well. The ball comes a bit late on this pitch and doesn't bounce as much more like skiddy bounce. Salt and babar were done for the pace as well

Haider can play shot ball alright but he misjudged the length and pace, the ball skidded rather then bouncing and came with great pace on his body.

6 month ago this kid was in fine touch and he was suddenly made to sit out kept on benches even in Asia cup, This is how Pakistan treat youngsters makes them nervous wracks and once they fail the same tried and tested failures will be bought back.

Haider is a fine T20 batsmen, better then likes of khushdil and asif, Let him play all match's in this tournament then comment on anything. Pakistan need to have patience with these young guns
 
fight_club said:
Ya get after the young guy. All those who are questioning Haider technique, did you guys watched dismissal of Salt, babar as well. The ball comes a bit late on this pitch and doesn't bounce as much more like skiddy bounce. Salt and babar were done for the pace as well

Haider can play shot ball alright but he misjudged the length and pace, the ball skidded rather then bouncing and came with great pace on his body.

6 month ago this kid was in fine touch and he was suddenly made to sit out kept on benches even in Asia cup, This is how Pakistan treat youngsters makes them nervous wracks and once they fail the same tried and tested failures will be bought back.

Haider is a fine T20 batsmen, better then likes of khushdil and asif, Let him play all match's in this tournament then comment on anything. Pakistan need to have patience with these young guns
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Exactly. He could have been made to play the nat t20 and actually practised building innings and batting in real games. Instead of carrying drinks and doing net practise.

Now he's being slated after 2 games.
 
MenInG said:
This was embarrassing

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There are not many batters in the history of the game who would have successfully pulled a well directed 151 mph short ball.

Haider needs to realise that some bowlers need to be given more respect.
 
gazza619 said:
There are not many batters in the history of the game who would have successfully pulled a well directed 151 mph short ball.

Haider needs to realise that some bowlers need to be given more respect.
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It wasn't 151mph.

He could have just swayed out the way of it.

Sadly too many of Haider's shots are pre-meditated and that's something he needs to sort out.
 
Was absolute stinking trash today. Honestly hes so damn disappointing.
 
Saj said:
It wasn't 151mph.

He could have just swayed out the way of it.

Sadly too many of Haider's shots are pre-meditated and that's something he needs to sort out.
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He can’t sort it out if never gets time in the middle for the best part of 9 months and then is expected to be a saviour. We have absolutely butchered Haiders development. He may still go with the WC squad, but he needs two full seasons playing first class cricket. I realise it won’t happen, but I would aggressively pursue a Division 2 County contract if I was him. Playing outside the Pakistan bubble, under a good coach will do his development wonders. I hope Mickey takes on him at Derbyshire, but they’ll have much much better candidates available to take over from Shan.
 
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