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[VIDEOS/PICTURES] How long before patience runs out with Haider Ali?

Looked terrible, out of form, poor confidence. Looks worse every innings. I do not mind a young guy like him in the team, but no way should we be putting him at the crucial no.3 position. We naturally panic if Babar and Rizwan get out early, why would you leave it to Haider Ali to absorb that pressure and come in at 3.
 
Babar Azam "Unfortunately Haider Ali is a little bit injured so he is not playing"

Not sure what is a little bit injured means?
 
PCB saying he has a finger injury and that's why he is not playing in the 4th T20I tonight against England in Karachi.
 
In England v England he was totally different. 50 on debut and high on confidence. Clearly now he is in low on confidence. Worrying signs, moreso the manner he gets out.
 
Haider Hack Ali. Not good enough at this level.
 
Just another rubbish. Fluke 50 and then get exposed badly. No more of this hack. Can't even score 10 runs in batting pitch.
 
Seems like T20 is not his format. Should be playing the longer formats to develop his game
 
This guy is what is referred to as a tulle baaz.

Should be dropped.
 
This is not on Haider Ali!

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This guy doesn't have any talent at all. Sorry to say I was expecting too much from this hack .Not deserve to play even is class league.
 
This is not on Haider Ali!

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Looks like Afridi has better technique than this hack!!!
 
Poor footwork and body position.

In no position to play the shot at all.

Very poor technique.
 
Play him in conditions that he may not be suited to and then drop him for the WT20 where conditions may suit him.

This series in Pakistan came at the wrong time for some of our players.
 
Looking very bleak for him right now.

Think it's best for everyone right now if he is released from WC squad and allowed to play QEA instead. Atleast that will do him some good.

Otherwise he won't play much cricket at all during this time.
 
Consequences of rushing an undercooked batsmen into the national team. Haider still does not have a grasp of his own game. He ideally needed about 2-3 seasons of FC cricket before becoming a regular in our national side, however our management can not think of the long run and preferred to bring him in raw.

Now hearing rumours of Saim Ayub being rushed into the team, seems like another talent being thrown away
 
He is an awful talent


He couldn’t play short ball against Indian U19 bowlers yet he has the same problem after 3 years.
 
Its a mental problem for him I think. He doesn't come across as someone who would be able to handle the pressure of international games at least at the moment he is not ready for it.

Perhaps let him go back to domestics and play a 2 full seasons there with hopefully a county stint in there as well. Once he is in form and ready for international cricket pressure he can be eased into national team.
 
Has he considered hitting the ball on the ground, brainless batting.

He needs to go play domestics, and rebuild himself from the ground up. He also needs mentoring from some one who will guide him and give him easy instructions, I.e. make the game easy for him. What I see is an incredibly confused lad. This is the same guy who impressed so much in his debut. That player, with some further technical tweaking, can still be developed. However, he needs to be taken out of the firing line now.

Yes, Pakistan needs middle order batters, but Pakistan needs, in the long term, a fully developed Haider Ali.

I’ve stated many many times on here that Haider is the perfect example of how not to develop a very talented young career.

Yes, he needs to take ownership as well, but for a lad who’s clearly been given conflicting messages and kept on the bench for months on end, are the current results really that surprising?

Lastly, every one on here has clearly written him off. We’re living very much in the ‘What have you done for us lately’ age. But those who know, understand how much of a resource Haider Ali can be, if he’s properly rebuilt. Pakistan aren’t exactly drowning in batting resources, so it’s absolutely vital that we don’t waste our batting prospects like we do our young bowlers.

This is why I hope he’s dropped, and given a structured pathway on how he can come into contention again. I haven’t lost faith in him, but the selectors and PCB have to handle him properly.
 
Play him in conditions that he may not be suited to and then drop him for the WT20 where conditions may suit him.

This series in Pakistan came at the wrong time for some of our players.

If you’re not suited to play in home conditions, where you’ve basically played your entire life you have no business being in the team, EVER!
 
Hia coaching school didnot had the manual of foot work unfortunately wouldn't work at this level
 
one year ago he was a shoe in for the team, management have completed destroyed him. this dude averages 50 in first class.

watch highlights of his domestic innings, amazing off side stroke play, on the ground. such a shame, hope they send him back to play QaE trophy.

its obvious hes mentally gone now. even if he pulls a rabbit out the hat in last game or two, dont think long term its good for him to be in spotlight with this kinda form.
 
one year ago he was a shoe in for the team, management have completed destroyed him. this dude averages 50 in first class.

watch highlights of his domestic innings, amazing off side stroke play, on the ground. such a shame, hope they send him back to play QaE trophy.

its obvious hes mentally gone now. even if he pulls a rabbit out the hat in last game or two, dont think long term its good for him to be in spotlight with this kinda form.

I think sending him back will only make things worse.

On the contrary I think they should sit him down and say that he is playing against India in Melbourne. There is no need to do anything strange/extraordinary to prove himself and that he is a valued member of the side.
 
He clearly knows how to bat. He is just struggling for runs and is playing for his place.
I hope he is given the next two T20's.
 
He looks anxious and tentative - a giveaway that he has been told he’s playing for his place every match. This type of man management has destroyed many cricketers.

The problem is both on the management but also on Haider himself. Our players sometimes need to think for themselves too. They have to sometimes remove the fear of being dropped and play naturally.
 
I think sending him back will only make things worse.

On the contrary I think they should sit him down and say that he is playing against India in Melbourne. There is no need to do anything strange/extraordinary to prove himself and that he is a valued member of the side.

from the little ive seen of him, he does not look to be enjoying himself, he looks nervous and his shot selection suggest hes questioning himself.

its often easier to regroup if u change ur setting, and hes young enough for a few months away from the team, not to make a massive difference.
 
Its not his actual scores but how terrible he has looked while batting.
He failed in the CPL and the PSL. Maybe t20 isnt his game with that slogging by numbers approach but honestly with that glaring weakness against left arm bowlers and bouncers he ll struggle.
 
Umar has no brain and like the rest of the Akmals, does not belong in international cricket.

Haider has potential we have not seen in a batsman for a long time. The most important upcoming talent we have in our country.

Umar even know runs rings around Haider Ali.
 
Based on the last couple of matches, Hassan Ali can run rings around Haider Ali. But that's not how cricket works.

Umar should be nowhere near the team. What are his performances over the past year that justify selection over other players? Not comparing against Haider because he's already in the squad but anyone else who's performed in domestic.

Or should we look at his batting in 2016 like you want to do for Sharjeel's recall
 
I thought the Sports Lounge lads (Syed Haider Azhar and Rehan Ul Haq) analysed Haider’s form quite well.

If we recall early Haider (Haider 1.0, if you will), the lad, for all his drawbacks, was effective in giving you 20s and 30s at a decent s/r. He did have a strong desire to swipe across the line, which is why he frequently got bowled or LB against the moving ball as opener, but didn’t do too shabbily at No.4.

However, as he was going on to big scores, the team management (read Misbah and co.) asked him to take his time and then go big. This was Haider 2.0. This lad would get those 20s and 30s, but at a much slower rate and then inevitably give his wicket away, because he wasn’t doing what he does best, which is play on instinct. Because this was seen as a failure, he was then relegated to the bench.

Misbah then left and Youssuf became batting coach. Youssuf, as per Sports Lounge lads, deconstructed Haider’s batting by asking him to play more straight. This, in a vacuum, is no bad thing. However, when you completely rebuild a batsmen’s style, you need him to get used to it by spending time out in the middle. That can only be done in the domestics, rather than in T20s under the glare of the watching world. This is Haider 3.0.

So right now he plays most of his singles with a straight bat (Haider 3.0), takes time in the middle (Haider 2.0) and then gets out with a cross batted swipe ( Haider 1.0) because he’s still not fully used to playing international attacks with his new batting style.

You can say he’s a confused low IQ player, to satiate your hurt feelings about Pakistan’s middle order issues.

But what you are seeing is a colossal mis management of a very promising prospect. It’s literally a confluence of incredible mixed messages and bad planning that’s made Haider Ali the shadow of what he is today.

Posters on here want to judge him based on his performances, ok. But remember, there’s a lot more going on underneath the surface with this lad’s development and how it’s been handled.

Does he have to take some of the blame? Yes. But the best selectors and coaches, give talent the right platform, advice and coaching to be the best version of themselves.

The PCB, and it’s various coaches and selectors absolutely have not been effective in developing Haider, and they take a large portion of the blame for that.

Can Haider realise his potential. InshAllah 100% he can. However, he needs to be dropped NOW and play the remaining 9 QEA trophy matches. And then we assess from there. Pakistan will sort itself out in the meantime.

Also as a lesson to PCB, please don’t do the same with Saim. Let that lad keep on developing in the domestics.
 
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But what you are seeing is a colossal mis management of a very promising prospect. It’s literally a confluence of incredible mixed messages and bad planning that’s made Haider Ali the shadow of what he is today.

Half of being successful in Pakistan is knowing that you need to ignore all the "uncles" and think for yourself :yk
 
Quite pleased to see him get another outing to be honest. He does look like he has talent, some players need a bit longer to settle than others. Asif Ali being a prime example, although I'm still not convinced he's a player either. But when you don't have many options you go with the ones who can win games, in theory at least.
 
Was looking good early in the innings but threw it away. Management desperate for him to pay off. Probably will play next match as well
 
He's trying to hit pull shots off the front foot. If he's late on the short ball on Asian wickets, can't imagine the sort of trouble he'd be in on more bouncy wickets, against faster bowlers as well. The technique on display from some of the new breed is really poor.
 
Hasn’t taken his opportunities, but these types of slow pitches won’t be the norm in Australia.
 
You cannot get a free run in international cricket.

6 T20Is against a largely second string attack at home where you bat no lower than number 4 is more than enough opportunity to prove yourself.

He will get dropped for a long time after this and he and his fans cannot blame anyone.

With Fakhar out of the picture for now and Masood proving himself to be mediocre as usual, he had a huge opportunity to cement his place in the team but he failed with flying colors.
 
He miscued one earlier then tried another

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Another Pakistani player not feeling well:

Haider Ali is feeling unwell. He has a virus and is being taken to hospital for further checks. He will stay overnight in hospital.
 
You cannot get a free run in international cricket.

6 T20Is against a largely second string attack at home where you bat no lower than number 4 is more than enough opportunity to prove yourself.

He will get dropped for a long time after this and he and his fans cannot blame anyone.

With Fakhar out of the picture for now and Masood proving himself to be mediocre as usual, he had a huge opportunity to cement his place in the team but he failed with flying colors.
The sooner he gets dropped the better for him. He’s been playing like a brainless hack for a while now.
 
He is one for the future but I don't think he is international quality yet. Needs to work harder in domestics for a good couple of years before he is considered again.
 
Does not look anywhere close to international material right now. He is better served with playing in domestics at the moment.
 
Why do all Pakistan batters plant thier front foot forward and try to hit across the line.Use your back foot and cut the ball !
 
As compared to khushdil, asif and to certain extent iftikhar this lad is way ahead from all of them and has the game however he was uncermeniously dropped when he was in fine flow and simce then he has been warming up benches not getting any match practice.

I have seen a lot of haider and this lad play spin well has a good off side game the problem with short pitch stuff is weight transfer also he needs to get a little more inside the line so his head is on the right side of the ball.

He needs to shun pull shot for the time being and play rest of his strokes and he has all the strokes in the world

Wasted opportunity today but he is the only one worth persisting
 
As compared to khushdil, asif and to certain extent iftikhar this lad is way ahead from all of them and has the game however he was uncermeniously dropped when he was in fine flow and simce then he has been warming up benches not getting any match practice.

I have seen a lot of haider and this lad play spin well has a good off side game the problem with short pitch stuff is weight transfer also he needs to get a little more inside the line so his head is on the right side of the ball.

He needs to shun pull shot for the time being and play rest of his strokes and he has all the strokes in the world

Wasted opportunity today but he is the only one worth persisting

Does he warrant a place in the squad for the world cup squad?
 
As compared to khushdil, asif and to certain extent iftikhar this lad is way ahead from all of them and has the game however he was uncermeniously dropped when he was in fine flow and simce then he has been warming up benches not getting any match practice.

I have seen a lot of haider and this lad play spin well has a good off side game the problem with short pitch stuff is weight transfer also he needs to get a little more inside the line so his head is on the right side of the ball.

He needs to shun pull shot for the time being and play rest of his strokes and he has all the strokes in the world

Wasted opportunity today but he is the only one worth persisting

Haider is a hack who has done nothing in his international career of yet to warrant any hype. Atleast the likes of Khusdil, Asif and Iftikhar have won some games for Pakistan and they can point out the matches they have won for Pakistan.

Haider is an embarrassing hack who has been embarrassed by Mark Wood twice.
 
Haider is a hack who has done nothing in his international career of yet to warrant any hype. Atleast the likes of Khusdil, Asif and Iftikhar have won some games for Pakistan and they can point out the matches they have won for Pakistan.

Haider is an embarrassing hack who has been embarrassed by Mark Wood twice.

Wood made even babar looked like a hack
If phil salt was pakistani he would have been dumped in karachi beach tagged a hack.

Khushdil has done jack in T20 actually not even cut out for it cant play spin and zero offside game

Asif cant play spin short atuff basicall has very limited range of shots and temperment

Haider is a proper bat. Very good player of spin excellent on off side as well as on. He is someone pakiatan can work with, not saying finished product but you need to develop these guys
 
He needs someone to work on his shot selection and footwork as he’s trying to pull the fast bowlers on the front foot and has got out like this regularly this series.

He’s still young and learning T20 is not a format to develop a young batsman his game is more suited to opening and playing with freedom.

There could be a surprise factor if he opens in the World Cup as quick starts are required but no chance with Babar and Rizwan there Babar won’t come at no 3 or 4 even if it helps the team.
 
He commits too early either on front foot or backfoot and then if the ball is not there he always struggles and plays a weird looking shot , This premeditated commitment will never let him succeed in International circuit. He needs to go back to domestic cricket and become a natural stroke maker instead of playing shots like Sohaib Maqsood who also seems to had this problem, the thing is this premeditated shots will work in domestic cricket but international bowlers are more skillful and intelligent to fall in to this trap , Haider stance gives it all away to the bowler to what type of delivery he is looking for and the bowler just bowls opposite to it.
 
Or may be he bluff the bowler by showing Stance that he will expecting a fuller length bowl but then actually go back to backfoot as soon the bowler is about to deliver, this will help him in the shot term but in the long run he needs to bat properly with merit.
 
The worst batter to come out of Pakistan. Very unwatchable. Always goes hard on the ball, it almost seems like his hands are tied when he plays a shot.
 
Hes had his chances n hes fluffed them Its a real shame

Back to domestics for him
 
I would still persist with him. He has the potential to do better and I have faith that he’ll deliver on his potential.
 
I think persist with him. He's a strong lad but the timing just isn't there. Maybe a good innings would set him off again
 
Another talented batman rushed to the intl. scene.

Let these guys play proper 2 seasons of FC cricket before selecting them.

If any player is to be rushed, then it should be the bowlers only.
 
His head is in a bad place.

He's a nervous wreck and looks completely out of place.

He will come good at some point but seems way off right now.
 
As compared to khushdil, asif and to certain extent iftikhar this lad is way ahead from all of them and has the game however he was uncermeniously dropped when he was in fine flow and simce then he has been warming up benches not getting any match practice.

I have seen a lot of haider and this lad play spin well has a good off side game the problem with short pitch stuff is weight transfer also he needs to get a little more inside the line so his head is on the right side of the ball.

He needs to shun pull shot for the time being and play rest of his strokes and he has all the strokes in the world

Wasted opportunity today but he is the only one worth persisting

Thanks to Misbah for benching him during his fine flow and making him a slogger now.

Did the same with Shafique but fortunately he debuted in tests and got away with it.

Still they are hesitant to give chances to Shafique in ODIs
 
He needs someone to work on his shot selection and footwork as he’s trying to pull the fast bowlers on the front foot and has got out like this regularly this series.

He’s still young and learning T20 is not a format to develop a young batsman his game is more suited to opening and playing with freedom.

There could be a surprise factor if he opens in the World Cup as quick starts are required but no chance with Babar and Rizwan there Babar won’t come at no 3 or 4 even if it helps the team.


Well then what is Yousuf doing , it’s every clear to see that he needs to work on footwork and shot selection.
 
Another Pakistani player not feeling well:

Haider Ali is feeling unwell. He has a virus and is being taken to hospital for further checks. He will stay overnight in hospital.

This new strain prevalent these days in Pakistan is actually a very nasty virus. The sore throat and respiratory symptoms are very debilitating and the fevers are unremitting. Had a first hand experience with it back in July and still have not recovered fully. It's pretty frightening to see Pakistani players catching it recently. I hope they recover soon.

If I were in charge, I would quarantine the affected players and rest the core of the squad for the final t20.
 
Haider Ali update - he is now feeling better and has been discharged from hospital and has reached the team hotel.
 
On basis of Eng series he should be dropped & sent to domestic to play QEA Trophy but it was stupid move from Babar & co to drop him in Asia Cup because he had decent performances since the last T20 WC.
 
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