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[VIDEOS/PICTURES] How long before patience runs out with Haider Ali?

Wahid1234 said:
I really hope he progresses as he has all the ingredients to be a devastating middle order batter for pakistan. Needs to be more consistent
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I agree he needs to be consistent but what am looking for is can he give him self an over or two before going him it will help Pakistan in the long run.
 
shamaan said:
I agree he needs to be consistent but what am looking for is can he give him self an over or two before going him it will help Pakistan in the long run.
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Yes I’ve followed Pakistan cricket for over 3 decades only to see these gems fall from grace with lack of work ethic e.g. Umar Akmal… so he really needs to start grinding hard in the nets and establish himself
 
Wahid1234 said:
Yes I’ve followed Pakistan cricket for over 3 decades only to see these gems fall from grace with lack of work ethic e.g. Umar Akmal… so he really needs to start grinding hard in the nets and establish himself
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Hopefully he isn't another umar akmal or shezard.
 
Poor innings from Haider, just 16 from 21. Could not get going.

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Absolute dreadful innings today had high hopes for this lad but to be honest he seems another Umar Akmal to me he’s trying to run before he can walk he’s a million miles away of getting selected for Pakistan atm. He better start performing soon and work harder or else he see his career vanish before it even started.

He needs to learn how to play on the ground rather than going for areial shots every 2 balls. He’s got all the talent but no worth ethic
 
Haider needs to improve work ethic and have a good defence with consistent runs being scored. If Pakistan continue to remain inconsistent and overall below par team then I can see Haider being selected and having a career in Pakistan setup.

However given that Pakistan is improving at international level with decent performances in tests and recent WT20 I cannot see a place for an inconsistent bat like Haider. The standards of batting have gone up with Rizwan and Babar practically being world class level. Therefore for Haider to break into this XI he needs to start performing consistently.
 
Until haider learns the value of good conventional release shots n learns to play more on the ground he ll never be successful in intl cricket
 
He’s not a t20 player he’s tries too hard. Plays fine in FC with proper cricketing shots and in t20s he’s turns into an ugly tape ball slogger.
 
Frustrating.

The lad has talent but he's not doing justice to that talent.

15s and 20s don't win matches.
 
Saj said:
Frustrating.

The lad has talent but he's not doing justice to that talent.

15s and 20s don't win matches.
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proof that sports are more about mental strength , he seems soft, miandad needs a word with him
 
finalfantasy7 said:
proof that sports are more about mental strength , he seems soft, miandad needs a word with him
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Exactly he’s hasn’t got the mental facets needed to survive in international cricket and will unfortunately go down the Umar akmal route which is soo frustrating to see. Man has talent but is not doing justice to that talent.. 😑
 
Wahid1234 said:
Exactly he’s hasn’t got the mental facets needed to survive in international cricket and will unfortunately go down the Umar akmal route which is soo frustrating to see. Man has talent but is not doing justice to that talent.. 😑
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not what i said, i just pointed that sports are more about mental strength, i never said haider doesn't have it.

Thrs no suggestion he will go down the umar akmal route - he isnt messing around / nor hanging around with dodgy people like akmals.

Its more to do with our cricket system in producing batsmen - see in india the top 4 batsman put all the pressure on themselves at a early age - as thr system demands it - hence thr producing top batsmen along with aussie/ england
 
Haider to me hasn't seemed to shown any evolution in his game since his PSL debut in 2020.

Playing the same shots, getting out in similar ways and not really improving on his ability to rotate strike. It's disappointing considering he has been with the Pakistan setup for the last 2 years.
 
Another pretty little 20 or so before he gets himself out.

Happening too often this.
 
Saj said:
Another pretty little 20 or so before he gets himself out.

Happening too often this.
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Came up against a fired-up Dahani

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He looked good today, just couldn't execute the shot against a fired up Dahani, unlucky I would say. He is not that bad that people are making him out to be, he has a wonderful List A and FC record, for some reason he rushes things in T20s, I do believe if someone makes him understand that he must get himself comfortable at the crease before hitting them all over the ground, will help him for good, he has the firepower to recover on strike rate. He needs to play more ground shots and construct a proper T20 innings. He is a wonderful List A and FC batter, so I wouldn't worry much and wouldn't write him off, only on the basis that he is not able to convert his starts in T20s
 
I feel like he is uncertain exactly what his role is. Both for PZ and for the national team.

I think he needs some coaching whether to be an anchor or go out all guns blazing and when to change roles depending on the situation..
 
Hard truth - If he cannot show progress on mental capacity at this age then he would not do so in the next 10 years as well. The hard fact is mental progression will not come easy to him and in other words this guy would be a wasted / frustrated investment. I have a feeling he would come into his own really late into his career maybe when he is past 30 something like what happened with Hafeez till then until he is consistent enough PCB shouldn't give him the long rope.
 
It's the same type of dismissals again and again though when he is set at the crease.

He's getting a lot of chances too so it can't be said that he's not getting a proper chance.
 
asadee said:
Wth was that???
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Just a heave ho

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Frankly i dont know what people see in him. He's got a typical tape ball technique. Just clears his front foot and looks to smash the leather off it. This is duece ball u gotta look to time it
 
Awful awful shot No intnl standard player should be playing a shot like that
 
He's Umar Akmal of 2014-17. The 2009-13 years have gone missing which means he might be crashing down faster than Umar did.
 
Village shot that today.

Head up in the air, wild slog.

What is going on with this lad.
 
Saj said:
Village shot that today.

Head up in the air, wild slog.

What is going on with this lad.
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I have seen a couple of innings in the QeA . . proper player . . he has made proper 100s . . no slogging . .
he comes plays T20s and looks like a poor mans Afridi . . Idk why he starts to think of himself as a slogger when he is soo much more than that . . I remember when Ian Bishop said he will be a batting star when he was captain of the under 19 team . . he didn't say it cuz he could slog . . he said it because he is a proper batter . . not sure what kinda coaching/advice he is receiving but he's clearly very confused
 
The guy is a hack, zero temprament. Keeps getting out the same way again and again. He has badly regressed.
 
Savak said:
The guy is a hack, zero temprament. Keeps getting out the same way again and again. He has badly regressed.
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Another Umar akmal I’m afraid just not good enough and never will be. He has regressed soo badly he wouldn’t even get into the Bangladesh team
 
Plays proper cricketing shots when playing fc but when it comes to t20 he plays like an ugly tape ball hack.
 
Why does he need to slog so stupidly? He either isnt very sharp or he isnt being advised very well

Just play conventional shots whats the need to play so differently to usual

At the end of the day hes a grown man and has to take responsibility for his own mistakes
 
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PZ management must be looking at him at the moment and thinking it's almost time for us to give someone else a chance.

The guy has to be a better player than what we are seeing surely?
 
Those calling him the new Umar Akmal are wrong.

Haider isn't half the player Umar was at his age.
 
No consigned to being a lower order batter it seems.

In at number 7 today for PZ versus KK.
 
Saj said:
No consigned to being a lower order batter it seems.

In at number 7 today for PZ versus KK.
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Im not surprised That shot last time beggars belief from a top order player

You just cant play like that Theres got to be thinking and a method to batting no matter what the format

He needs to sit down n have a good rethink on how he plays his t20 game because its awful at the moment
 
Saj said:
No consigned to being a lower order batter it seems.

In at number 7 today for PZ versus KK.
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He's either got to be a top order slogger or a lower order slogger. Either way you've got to remove all manner of need for cricketing intelligence to get the best out of him.

Send him in and tell him his job is to hit the ball. Any other instructions will lead to disaster.
 
Haider Hack Ali. Same problem as Imran Nazir, does not understand which shot to play to which ball
 
Really disappointing how many hacky shots he is playing instead of playing them on merit. Played proper cricketing shots in FC but goes far too much leg side hacks when he is bogged down.
 
Savak said:
Haider Hack Ali. Same problem as Imran Nazir, does not understand which shot to play to which ball
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He’s a better batsman than Nazir problem is in T20s you have to score quickly and Haider is simply playing a cross batted shot to release the pressure he’s clearly capable of making it as a test and ODI batsman just needs to cut down on playing too many T20s early on in his career.
 
Cric1234 said:
He’s a better batsman than Nazir problem is in T20s you have to score quickly and Haider is simply playing a cross batted shot to release the pressure he’s clearly capable of making it as a test and ODI batsman just needs to cut down on playing too many T20s early on in his career.
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Nazir was better than Haider Ali in his prime.
 
Cric1234 said:
He averaged 24 after playing 79 ODIs as an opening batsman he wasn’t as gifted as people think ordinary batsman worse than most all rounders.
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He was playing in the wrong era

Nazir right now would be a serious Hitman. White ball cricket now is much more batting friendly in comparison to the era he played in
 
Standard Haider today.

Looks good, struggles a bit, some good shots, then a poor shot.
 
Rana said:
He was playing in the wrong era

Nazir right now would be a serious Hitman. White ball cricket now is much more batting friendly in comparison to the era he played in
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He could do better but he wasn’t that good technically never could make it as a test batsman.
 
Cric1234 said:
He could do better but he wasn’t that good technically never could make it as a test batsman.
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With the flat tracks now and the two white ball rule, I am 100% convinced Nazir would be GUN. He had unbelievable bat speed. Some of those innings he played in South Africa were very good. He will pull and cut all day on true wickets.
 
Rana said:
He is totally overwhelmed by Muhammad Harris taking the spotlight and becoming the new golden boy
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Even before Haris, many of us have been pointing out the same issues. Hopefully, he doesn't end up going down the Akmal route.
 
Bewal Express said:
Even before Haris, many of us have been pointing out the same issues. Hopefully, he doesn't end up going down the Akmal route.
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Exactly. People need to calm down about haris too he needs to play a lot of cricket. Struggled in FC this season. Haider looks a different batsmen in FC hence why I rate him and I hope he doesn’t go down under akmal route at the moment he batting like a brainless tape ball player. People seem to take t20 to judge a batsmen or a bowler. Haider needs to sort himself out I am sure no one tells him to slog.
 
Rana said:
He is totally overwhelmed by Muhammad Harris taking the spotlight and becoming the new golden boy
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Calm down haris is a good talent but need a couple of years of FC cricket. T20s don’t make a good batsmen.
 
Its definitely a mental aspect with him - but as we know, temperament is key.

He picks up length so quickly and plays some unbelievable strokes which not many Pakistani players are able to do.

However in his final few balls today, for every shot, his leg was moving to the on side as he tried to bludgeon the ball. He needs to learn there are other ways to play attacking shots.
 
Saj said:
Standard Haider today.

Looks good, struggles a bit, some good shots, then a poor shot.
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His shot

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Saj said:
Standard Haider today.

Looks good, struggles a bit, some good shots, then a poor shot.
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Saj sir we can’t expect a young batsman to produce numbers like the best at the moment Haider has a good strike of around 140 in the PSL but averages 23 he needs to improve his average but in time it should happen.

He’s still developing his technique and stroke play T20 isn’t the format to do so as it demands quick runs that’s why cutting down playing T20s over the next 1-2 years will help his international career in the long run making it in the other formats should be his prime focus.
 
He is my favourite young players to watch out for future.

I plead to PCB and Pakistan fans, take him out of T20Is. T20I is all about taking lot of risks and if he is making money in PSL, so be it. Do not judge him based on PSL.

But, put good mentors around him to sort his long form game in Tests/ODIs. He has all the ingredients, game, temperament to be the next batting great from Pakistan. Someone needs to sort his head out, and not judge him based on T20Is.
 
Terrible fielding today from the 5 minute match highlights I saw, which says a lot tbf.

If the game highlights showed how bad of a fielder he is then I'm interested to know how he actually fielded in the entire match.

Overthrowing to Akmal which caused an extra run and then a terrible attempt to catch the ball which ended up going for a six, body language also looks shot.

We were talking about his mediocrity 6 months ago and then he ended up having some moments in the middle there but he's back to being the same old below average player, needs to get it together real quick.
 
PakEngFan said:
Exactly. People need to calm down about haris too he needs to play a lot of cricket. Struggled in FC this season. Haider looks a different batsmen in FC hence why I rate him and I hope he doesn’t go down under akmal route at the moment he batting like a brainless tape ball player. People seem to take t20 to judge a batsmen or a bowler. Haider needs to sort himself out I am sure no one tells him to slog.
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Am not sure why people are bringing a format where haris will most likely not play for Pakistan.
 
Named in both white-ball squads for the series against Australia.

He's just about hanging in there regarding international cricket.
 
Saj said:
Named in both white-ball squads for the series against Australia.

He's just about hanging in there regarding international cricket.
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He needs to decide which way his cricket is going to Is he gonna go the babar azam way or the umar akmal way

Its his call and he really needs to have a good long hard think
 
When will the Haider Ali torture end?

When will the Haider Ali torture end? The hit-miss/ tukka culture has to end, Shahid Afridi had a flare + he was an allrounder hence made sense to persist with him but this guy is nowhere near Afridi n doesnt ball either.

Abdullah Shafique would have been a better choice in T20 and Abdullah or Shaan in ODIs imho.
 
Needs to up his game, sort out his approach and think a bit more about his shot selection.

Far too many times when he is dismissed due to poor shot selection.
 
Saj said:
Needs to up his game, sort out his approach and think a bit more about his shot selection.

Far too many times when he is dismissed due to poor shot selection.
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The ship is sailing for this guy. He’s been given countless of chances already and is yet to settle down a spot.

Soo far he’s going the Umar akmal route has all the talent in the world but is lacking the mental facets to able to tackle the challenges one faces in international cricket.

I really believe this will be his make or break series where he will realise he needs to flourish or he will just end up being another TTF.
 
Wahid1234 said:
The ship is sailing for this guy. He’s been given countless of chances already and is yet to settle down a spot.

Soo far he’s going the Umar akmal route has all the talent in the world but is lacking the mental facets to able to tackle the challenges one faces in international cricket.

I really believe this will be his make or break series where he will realise he needs to flourish or he will just end up being another TTF.
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lol @ countless chances. He is a young player who hasn't even played that much domestically and having some early up and down. Internationally wise, he's played well in his last few games anyways so let's maybe relax.

At some point, Pakistan itself needs to decide what they want. Do you want accumulators only who will pile up runs that don't actually win games or players who will be risky and play big shot to play in a modern style but also maybe end up looking stupid because that is the nature of the game in slogging.

England transformation came when they went from accumulators to the other extreme end and backed their players to make it happen. Now, Pakistan doesn't necessarily have the level of talent for Pakistan batsmen to do the same but if the goal is to start playing that style, then you also need to back your players to play a much more aggressive style even if it may lead to some pain early on due to stupid shots.
 
Saj said:
Needs to up his game, sort out his approach and think a bit more about his shot selection.

Far too many times when he is dismissed due to poor shot selection.
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He is just a hack (tukka) with severe lack of brains/ common sesnse + looks quite panicky too such individuals r good for domestic but arent cut for internationals where along with talent brains n nerves r of paramount importance...thats where I like Abdullah Shafique more n more, the more I see AS the more I like
 
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