[VIDEOS/PICTURES] Is Hardik Pandya overrated?

[pak.cricket]

This guy is so highly overrated by indians.

The reality is that his batting is just one dimensional.

Against spinners he is totally predictable.He always tries to smash them over mid wicket.He will hit a few sixes against spinners and sky one in the air.

Against pacers he is absolutely poor.Indians consider him a finisher but he cannot hit pacers for sixes.

comments?

 

[troodon]

He is overrated. But he is the best we got. Someone who can bowl in 140's and contribute with the bat low down the order.

Show me another player who can do the same that he doing in world cricket right now apart from Stokes?

He is only 23 and has a lot of upside. He is showing improvement with every series. That is all matters at this stage.

I agree that his hitting ability against genuine pace bowlers is poor. But who can hit Cummins and Coulternile for sixes in world cricket?

From what I see, Pandya can belt bowlers who stay in mid 130's range. Anything over 140 k's is where he struggles to hit them consistently.

The good news is, he at least rotates strike when he is not able to get the bowler away. Does not waste deliveries.

What this shows is, India needs another all rounder down the order who can hit pacers well. His brother Krunal can do that job. But our selectors like Jadhav a bit too much at the moment.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Hardik is not as poor as you depict against pacers, but yes! he is young and is getting better by the day.

 

[Railu Katta]

Some of the keyboard warriors were comparing him to Abdul Razzaq )

 

[pak.cricket]

He is overrated. But he is the best we got. Someone who can bowl in 140's and contribute with the bat low down the order.

Show me another player who can do the same that he doing in world cricket right now apart from Stokes?

He is only 23 and has a lot of upside. He is showing improvement with every series. That is all matters at this stage.

I agree that his hitting ability against genuine pace bowlers is poor. But who can hit Cummins and Coulternile for sixes in world cricket?

From what I see, Pandya can belt bowlers who stay in mid 130's range. Anything over 140 k's is where he struggles to hit them consistently.

The good news is, he at least rotates strike when he is not able to get the bowler away. Does not waste deliveries.

What this shows is, India needs another all rounder down the order who can hit pacers well. His brother Krunal can do that job. But our selectors like Jadhav a bit too much at the moment.

With all due respect,Mark my words that his boewlingwill get exposed outside asia.He takes most of his wickets on bouncers or cutters.His cutters wont work on fast pitches and his bouncers will be too easy to play on flat tracks outside asia.He can't bowl six deliveties on the same spot.He cant even bowl good yorkers.

 

[pak.cricket]

Hardik is not as poor as you depict against pacers, but yes! he is young and is getting better by the day.

How is he getting better? he used to slog everything over mid wicket and he is still doing the same thing.I don't see any improvements

 

[troodon]

With all due respect,Mark my words that his boewlingwill get exposed outside asia.He takes most of his wickets on bouncers or cutters.His cutters wont work on fast pitches and his bouncers will be too easy to play on flat tracks outside asia.He can't bowl six deliveties on the same spot.He cant even bowl good yorkers.

You want him to be like Amir with the ball and Sehwag with the bat? That will never happen.

Pandya since his debut a year ago has added an off cutter and a slower ball. Seen him bowl a yorker or two. He is not good at it, but he is showing some promise.

Regarding his batting, he is an absolute destroyer of spinners. He can maintain almost 200 S/R while playing Spinners. Against genuine pacers like Starc or Cummins or even your Pak pacers, he can surely maintain 100 S/R while contrbuting useful 30's and 40's and occasional 50's.

How he will bowl in SA or Aus or England will remain to be seen. So far, he is doing a good job. He may be predictable with his short pitch stuff. But he bowls them at pace. Not your 125k pies. Its not easy to hit 140k short balls for most batsmen. Only great batsmen can get those short balls away.

 

[Proactive_]

Well if you're calling him one of the best all rounders in cricket today then obviously you're overrating him highly. He is a pretty decent all rounder at the moment and one who would be highly valuable to India's chances in the 2019 WC.

 

[CricFan2012]

Hardik Pandya is the best all rounder in the world after Stoke blew it, so unless Stokes can come back Pandy will have no competition

 

[ExpressPacer]

He is by far the most destructive batsman that I can think of against spin. He hits spinners for sixes for fun. His bowling - while not amazing - is surely a massive upgrade over many Indian "specialist" fast bowlers and he usually picks up a wicket or two. So, no, he is not overrated however, we might be overestimating his batting against pace, which is not bad; maybe 100 SR.

 

[asadee]

He only bats well against spinners..struggles against pacers

 

[UN talkz]

He is a very useful bowler, always gives his team that one important wicket and has decent economy.
In bowling he is a beast against spinners but yes definitely needs to improve his batting against pacers...
No, he isn't overrated at all

 

[Gr33n_Pak]

Glen Maxwell was also one of the most destructive against spin bowling. Not anymore I guess?

 

[Sachin136]

Well if you're calling him one of the best all rounders in cricket today then obviously you're overrating him highly. He is a pretty decent all rounder at the moment and one who would be highly valuable to India's chances in the 2019 WC.

Who according to you are some of the best allrounders right now?

 

[Hasan123]

No he's not ovverated. People shouldn't expect 10/10 performances from him though. He's still developing. He'll be ready for the 2019 WC.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He is our Sahibzada Shahid Khan Afridi.

 

[Proactive_]

Who according to you are some of the best allrounders right now?

Shakib
Stokes
Moeen

These three are head and shoulders above the rest and have proved their worth in all three forms of the game for a reasonable period of time now.

Following them would be the likes of Mathews, Ashwin, Jadeja, Woakes, Faulkner etc etc etc. I'd place Pandya in this category if he does well in SA against genuine pace, something he hasn't yet been tested against in Tests.

 

[Princejain191]

Haha, amazing how the title for the post seems like an invitation for some healthy discussion but then OP provides his vile arguments that totally contradict it all. Don't want to enter a dog fight, so can't leave my arguments on the topic here

 

[The_Odd_One]

He's potentially very good but some posters think he's already an ATG or world class which is not true.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is no ATG obviously. Let him play 100+ odis atleast. One great series isn't everything. However, the expectations have become a little higher from the guy now which means he is performing well.

He has long way to go before people start rating him strictly like they do for some elite cricketers in the world.

 

[ataullah]

I think fahim is quicker than him. I was watching new Zealand vs india and hardik was quite low in pace compared to fahim. If fahim is given long run it could be a good competition between them

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Yes he is.. He is good but not that great as fans are making him out..

Exceptional hitter against spin, thats his quality... Other than that he is ok.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

This guy is so highly overrated by indians.

The reality is that his batting is just one dimensional.

Against spinners he is totally predictable.He always tries to smash them over mid wicket.He will hit a few sixes against spinners and sky one in the air.

Against pacers he is absolutely poor.Indians consider him a finisher but he cannot hit pacers for sixes.

comments?

You haven't watched enough IPL. He absolutely can hit pacers for six. He is just more aggressive against spinners in ODI format, because he has more time to play and so no need to go after every ball. Given a choice he will attack spinners rather than pacer. In IPL where there is no choice and he has to attack everyone, he destroys pacers as well.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Some of the keyboard warriors were comparing him to Abdul Razzaq )

He is much much better than Abdul Razzaq.

I don't know what the mentality is on this forum. Apparently if there's any game where he isn't superman in both departments he becomes over-rated.

 

[aloo paratha]

He is decent with the ball, not so impressed by his batting yet though.

 

[bujhee kom]

Very good cricketer with bat and ball. Not everyone can be Shakib.

 

[CricFan2012]

no

 

[Railu Katta]

He is much much better than Abdul Razzaq.

I don't know what the mentality is on this forum. Apparently if there's any game where he isn't superman in both departments he becomes over-rated.

Keyboard warrior - Exhibit A. How is he much much better than Razzaq, a genuine allrounder who has scored runs all over the world. He has won games from impossible positions. It is blasphemy to even mention pandya in the same sentence as Razzaq.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

i think this guy has potential, i like him, hes not that bad with pacers, just poor shot selection.

Im sure he will become a good finisher...

 

[Napa]

Bookmarking this thread for after the next time India plays Pakistan, which I suppose will be in the Asia Cup.

 

[babajee]

Bookmarking this thread for after the next time India plays Pakistan, which I suppose will be in the Asia Cup.

Ok watch out because Pandya will top edge a bouncer from Hasan straight up in the air into Saifi's gloves

 

[ExplicitAI]

His hitting ability is insane for someone so slim in shape. I don't really want to say this as it would anger some posters but he's the only player I can think of who can break Afridi's record for the most sixes in ODI's if he was to play LOTS of games (hopefully he doesn't and Afridi's record stays ) ) but he's also a good bowler who's surprisingly better than most; only Bumrah is better than him. His fielding is fantastic so overall he's a very good package. From my instinct I do have a feeling he's going to go through a rut of form with the bat by skying everything to fielders.

 

[Buffet]

Pandya is a gun all rounder, Amir is a gun bowler .... PP goes in overdrive in hyping players.

Let players actually do something with a decent sample size.

 

[giri26]

Pandya is a good young player but I agree, he is a little over rated by Indian fans. But can you blame us? We have been waiting for an all-rounder to replace Kapil Dev for over 2 decades. He will do okay in ODI's and decent in tests. I think his batting is fine but surely needs to work on his bowling to become useful in tests.

 

[Buffet]

Pandya is a good young player but I agree, he is a little over rated by Indian fans. But can you blame us? We have been waiting for an all-rounder to replace Kapil Dev for over 2 decades. He will do okay in ODI's and decent in tests. I think his batting is fine but surely needs to work on his bowling to become useful in tests.

But hyping players without a decent track record seems a bit too much. Let players actually do something before hyping too much.

Good potential, but that's about it right now.

 

[giri26]

But hyping players without a decent track record seems a bit too much. Let players actually do something before hyping too much.

Good potential, but that's about it right now.

Yup he has a long way to go and needs to improve his bowling a lot. The subcontinent fans are hype machines and you cannot stop them from doing that. I remember how Irfan Pathan was hyped when he yorked Adam Gilchrist in 2004 in a test match. We all know what happened to him. But again that hasn't deterred the fans from hyping players.

 

[giri26]

But hyping players without a decent track record seems a bit too much. Let players actually do something before hyping too much.

Good potential, but that's about it right now.

Yup he has a long way to go and needs to improve his bowling a lot. The subcontinent fans are hype machines and you cannot stop them from doing that. I remember how Irfan Pathan was hyped when he yorked Adam Gilchrist in 2004 in a test match. We all know what happened to him. But again that hasn't deterred the fans from hyping players.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Rightnow he is exceeding the expectations. So he is not over-rated.

 

[pak.cricket]

Haha, amazing how the title for the post seems like an invitation for some healthy discussion but then OP provides his vile arguments that totally contradict it all. Don't want to enter a dog fight, so can't leave my arguments on the topic here

Truth hurts.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Keyboard warrior - Exhibit A. How is he much much better than Razzaq, a genuine allrounder who has scored runs all over the world. He has won games from impossible positions. It is blasphemy to even mention pandya in the same sentence as Razzaq.

A guy with 142 posts has no business being condescending especially when you haven't even posted an argument.

Pandya averages 39 at a SR of 120. Over 27 matches. That makes him one of the best batsmen around in ODIs, leaving aside his bowling.

He also bowls with 34.83 average and 5.5 economy which is not at all bad in this day and age. It's a fifth genuine bowler who is also one of the best batsmen in the world.

Razzaq averaged a full ten points lower in batting, and 40 SR lower, which makes him probably the median No 7 Batsman of those times. His bowling is 31.83 very similar average and 4.69 better economy because bowling was easier then. If you look at stats without adjusting for generations (which is fine because they are all-rounders and if batting is easier, bowling is tougher) it's very clear Pandya has a better record.

Tests Razzak averages 28 with bat and 36 with ball which is quite ordinary, and Pandya's sample is not big enough to do any valid comparisons.

T20s Razzaq's stats actually are better and they both have decent sample size, but it's not by any very large margin, so you can hardly say Razzaq is much superior.

 

[RamLakhan]

A guy with 142 posts has no business being condescending especially when you haven't even posted an argument.

Pandya averages 39 at a SR of 120. Over 27 matches. That makes him one of the best batsmen around in ODIs, leaving aside his bowling.

He also bowls with 34.83 average and 5.5 economy which is not at all bad in this day and age. It's a fifth genuine bowler who is also one of the best batsmen in the world.

Razzaq averaged a full ten points lower in batting, and 40 SR lower, which makes him probably the median No 7 Batsman of those times. His bowling is 31.83 very similar average and 4.69 better economy because bowling was easier then. If you look at stats without adjusting for generations (which is fine because they are all-rounders and if batting is easier, bowling is tougher) it's very clear Pandya has a better record.

Tests Razzak averages 28 with bat and 36 with ball which is quite ordinary, and Pandya's sample is not big enough to do any valid comparisons.

T20s Razzaq's stats actually are better and they both have decent sample size, but it's not by any very large margin, so you can hardly say Razzaq is much superior.

Over the years Razzaq. vs. Pandya comparison will look similar to Umar Akmal vs. Kohli comparison (such comparisons are ridiculously present only on PP) Pandya belongs to "professional era" of Indian Cricket, so we are 90% confident that he will not fade away like Irfan, Robin Singh, Sanjay Bangar, etc (actually even these guys had their moments and were almost comparable to Razzaq if not better) Razzaq belonged to the elite natural/raw talent era of Pakistan, where professionalism hardly mattered (at least was not a suite among Asian Cricketing nations) and also he had to play a supporting role to top fast bowlers who eased out a lot for him (also had the support of quality spinners like Saqlain). Whereas Irfan & co had to play the tough role of leading the attack (Only spinners were decent for India and of course as many claim they were second tiers compared to Warne, Murali, Saqlain, etc!) and then powerhitting/finishing jobs with the bat! Robin Singh did pretty decent job actually and Bangar opened innings in Test matches and played a decent role in one of series wins in England if I remember properly! Indians are looking Pandya in better prospects than those 3 guys actually and comparing to Kapil in proper merit (though Pandya is in his starting days!) So its not an issue of ego/jealousy about Razzaq (Razzaq was as good or as bad as those 3 guys at the most) never played a breathtaking role for Pakistan (Irfan had an hat-trick, won some matches, so was Robin Singh won so many matches for India and involved in good partnerships!)

 

[London_Lahori]

He's a good player, a good AR and that's all that matters. Fans will always hype up someone able to clear the ropes so easy.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

Lethal tuller against spin. Full stop

 

[Rayyman]

Reminds me of Umar Akmal

 

[7sins]

Very average against fast bowlers but have no weakness while facing spin. So overall a decent player to have nothing extraordinary.

 

[OmaIR1]

Side question, didn't he hit a 110 m six vs. Pakistan?

 

[7sins]

Side question, didn't he hit a 110 m six vs. Pakistan?

I think it was around 105 m but even in that game he hit spinners for sixes

 

[R0H1T]

Yup he has a long way to go and needs to improve his bowling a lot. The subcontinent fans are hype machines and you cannot stop them from doing that. I remember how Irfan Pathan was hyped when he yorked Adam Gilchrist in 2004 in a test match. We all know what happened to him. But again that hasn't deterred the fans from hyping players.

You;d be hard pressed to find a talent treated worse than Pathan at his peak!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/1123854.html

Just check his last year, MoM in his last game also don;t forget to watch the video! He played 3 series in Aus, not one test in Eng/NZ/SA ever! You had hacks like Raina given an extended run because he was friends with you know who, then there were the Dindas & Vinay Kumars, or Unakdat in SA 2010, who were also played ahead of our best swing bowler of the past decade!

If you don;t see the double standards then really there's something wrong with your vision.

 

[DRsohail]

hardik is a guy with very much potential with the bat and ball but more with the bat.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Over the years Razzaq. vs. Pandya comparison will look similar to Umar Akmal vs. Kohli comparison (such comparisons are ridiculously present only on PP) Pandya belongs to "professional era" of Indian Cricket, so we are 90% confident that he will not fade away like Irfan, Robin Singh, Sanjay Bangar, etc (actually even these guys had their moments and were almost comparable to Razzaq if not better) Razzaq belonged to the elite natural/raw talent era of Pakistan, where professionalism hardly mattered (at least was not a suite among Asian Cricketing nations) and also he had to play a supporting role to top fast bowlers who eased out a lot for him (also had the support of quality spinners like Saqlain). Whereas Irfan & co had to play the tough role of leading the attack (Only spinners were decent for India and of course as many claim they were second tiers compared to Warne, Murali, Saqlain, etc!) and then powerhitting/finishing jobs with the bat! Robin Singh did pretty decent job actually and Bangar opened innings in Test matches and played a decent role in one of series wins in England if I remember properly! Indians are looking Pandya in better prospects than those 3 guys actually and comparing to Kapil in proper merit (though Pandya is in his starting days!) So its not an issue of ego/jealousy about Razzaq (Razzaq was as good or as bad as those 3 guys at the most) never played a breathtaking role for Pakistan (Irfan had an hat-trick, won some matches, so was Robin Singh won so many matches for India and involved in good partnerships!)

Did this guy just say 'Razzaq never played a breathtaking role for Pakistan' and proceed to compare Pathan's hat-trick and Robin Singh's (I'm sure he himself wouldn't remember it) achievements to one of the biggest match-winner in Pakistan history?

Matlab din dahaaray gunda gardi ho rahi hai idher bhai. Also please do not compare a newb like Pandya to Abdul Razzaq. When he has played even half as many matches as Razzaq played for Pakistan, then talk. Right now just accept him as the decent bat but mediocre 'fast' bowler he is.

 

[7sins]

He is an ok player nothing more than that against proper fast bowling this guy can rarely hit a boundary i think now a days he is more of a bowler rather than a batsmen.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

hate to admit but he is a real gem especially in batting

best 6 hitter in cricket right now

 

[Sidilicious]

Over rated, yes. But that does not mean he is not good.

People rate him to like he is the second coming of Klusener. He is good, but not that good. Will end up becoming a very valuable player for India, but don't think he will achieve what Klusener did in the 99 WC

 

[7sins]

hate to admit but he is a real gem especially in batting

best 6 hitter in cricket right now

Im sure stokes de villers and some other players dont agree with you on this. When he starts hitting sixes against good fast bowling then i will agree with you on this.

 

[Ab Fan]

However, one thing is sure and that we all can agree is India needed an all rounder like Pandya from a long time.

Someone who can bowl fast and smash runs at a quick rate. He can be our 5th bowler and a good enough no.7 batsmen and is a great fielder obviously.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Better to utilize him at no 4 or 5 because of his ability against spin.. at death he just cant hit pacers like Razzaq.

 

[giri26]

You;d be hard pressed to find a talent treated worse than Pathan at his peak!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/1123854.html

Just check his last year, MoM in his last game also don;t forget to watch the video! He played 3 series in Aus, not one test in Eng/NZ/SA ever! You had hacks like Raina given an extended run because he was friends with you know who, then there were the Dindas & Vinay Kumars, or Unakdat in SA 2010, who were also played ahead of our best swing bowler of the past decade!

If you don;t see the double standards then really there's something wrong with your vision.

Pathan was a great talent but he lost his pace and wasn't the same even during his MOM performance. Do you know why he did not play In SA? Before going on with your rant check, he was sent home before start of the test series because his bowling was not up to the mark. He scored hundred in the practice game but bowled poorly. He was sent home to play FC and work on his bowling. I know this why? I am watching cricket for 25 years and have knowledge and information of almost every occurrence Indian cricket. I don't even have to click on the link your link, I know what game that is. He lost out because, India already had Zaheer and Ishant was unearthed in that series and RP Singh wasn't doing that bad either. Pathan's fall was his own doing. He still remained decent short form bowler. But if you get off cricinfo and look at some videos, you will see how he became a change bowler who bowled lots of cutters from the new ball swing bowler he started as.

 

[backfootpunch]

From a Pakistan fan myself, this is an awful post and appears OP sounds bitter that we don't have pace bowling all rounder of his quality. His intl career is in his infancy and is improving every time I see him him play. For instance he used to be a trundler and less supreme with the bat as a hitter now he's a 140+ bowler who on his day can bowl 10 decent overs like he did in the CT final. His hitting ability is getting better, with more IPL experience he will hit seamers as well in the coming years.

He's a gem of a player and would walk into Pakistan team.

 

[CadPakFan]

He's pretty decent not as good as people on this rate him to be but he has potential.

 

[babajee]

He’s good

But Faheem Ashraf will be better

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

After the CT phainta he delivered to our spinners I thought it was a fluke innings. Didn't rate him much.

But today his 90-odd in SA has convinced me he is a quality player.

Will be a key player for India for the next decade

 

[Napa]

Razzaq, a genuine allrounder

Razzaq had a Test batting average of 28.6 and a bowling average of 36.9 for a net difference of -8.3. Not something you would expect from a "genuine" allrounder.

It is blasphemy to even mention pandya in the same sentence as Razzaq.

Pandya after 3.5 Test matches has a net difference of +44 (67.5 batting, 23.5 bowling), so one should indeed not be mentioning the two in the same sentence.

 

[blue_champion]

Razzaq had a Test batting average of 28.6 and a bowling average of 36.9 for a net difference of -8.3. Not something you would expect from a "genuine" allrounder.



Pandya after 3.5 Test matches has a net difference of +44 (67.5 batting, 23.5 bowling), so one should indeed not be mentioning the two in the same sentence.

I don’t think anyone rates Razzaq as a test allrounder outside of PP lol...sure as a good T20 or LOI cricketer his name may pop up every now and then.

 

[light]

Hardik Pandya is the best all rounder in the world after Stoke blew it, so unless Stokes can come back Pandy will have no competition

Damn if Panday is considered as the best allrounder in the world, Wonder what you think about Players like Shakib, Ali, Matthew. This has to be a joke right? He is a decent allrounder (still developing). No where even close to being the best in the world.

BUTTTT give him a couple more years, if he continues to increase his skills/potential on a upward trend, yea, he will definitely be one of the best in the world, if not the best. At the current moment, its easily Stokes and Shakib who are the king of the best allrounders in the business. No competition here what so ever for these two atm, Ali and Matthew are second best imo.

 

[Sachin136]

Damn if Panday is considered as the best allrounder in the world, Wonder what you think about Players like Shakib, Ali, Matthew. This has to be a joke right? He is a decent allrounder (still developing). No where even close to being the best in the world.

BUTTTT give him a couple more years, if he continues to increase his skills/potential on a upward trend, yea, he will definitely be one of the best in the world, if not the best. At the current moment, its easily Stokes and Shakib who are the king of the best allrounders in the business. No competition here what so ever for these two atm, Ali and Matthew are second best imo.

Shakib and Stokes might be the best, but Ali and Matthews are terrible.

 

[Napa]

Damn if Panday is considered as the best allrounder in the world, Wonder what you think about Players like Shakib, Ali, Matthew. This has to be a joke right? He is a decent allrounder (still developing). No where even close to being the best in the world.

What do I think of Shakib and Ali? Okay, since you asked...

While Pandya took off the easy series against SL to get ready for SA, and is now gutting it out against possibly the best pace attack, Shakib abandoned his teammates and skipped SA where his team got thoroughly pounded.

Good news bad news for Mooen. Good news first, a fine average of 115. Bad news, that is his bowling average.

 

[JaDed]

Yes he is.

 

[Napa]

At the current moment, its easily Stokes and Shakib who are the king of the best allrounders in the business.

I suppose ICC ranks Ashwin and Jadeja higher than Stokes due to their greater ability to suck their thumbs.

 

[Railu Katta]

Razzaq had a Test batting average of 28.6 and a bowling average of 36.9 for a net difference of -8.3. Not something you would expect from a "genuine" allrounder.



Pandya after 3.5 Test matches has a net difference of +44 (67.5 batting, 23.5 bowling), so one should indeed not be mentioning the two in the same sentence.

Yes compare a guy who has played 3 matches with someone who has performed in crunch situations against several opponents

 

[Napa]

Yes compare a guy who has played 3 matches with someone who has performed in crunch situations against several opponents

Read the posts in this thread. You are the first poster to bring Razzaq into this thread about Pandya. Once you have done that, then obviously the comparison will be made with the available data.

 

[Railu Katta]

Read the posts in this thread. You are the first poster to bring Razzaq into this thread about Pandya. Once you have done that, then obviously the comparison will be made with the available data.

With your logic, then Umar Gul and Saeed Ajmal are better than kohli since he averages 12 in England.

 

[Sam99]

Can't say overrated right now. He has performed what he was asked for. Yes technique was not right but he got runs and that brought india back in game. Maybe we can decide how overrated pandya is after aus test series.

 

[big_gamer007]

With your logic, then Umar Gul and Saeed Ajmal are better than kohli since he averages 12 in England.

His logic is about entire tats not selecting a specific country.. By your logic gillespie is better batsman than Ponting/Sachin/Lara since he scored 200 against xyz Bowling attack at abc ground.. Anyone can cherry pick stats and show x is better than y if you want to compare career then sure compare Gul and Ajmals with kohli’s..

 

[big_gamer007]

On topic Pandya has ability to be next captain, he seems like a hard worker like Kohli so hopefully he can achieve success..

People are ranking his potential which is to reach klusener level in today’s LOI’s.. Whether he fulfils that potential or not is a different story..

 

[Napa]

On topic Pandya has ability to be next captain, he seems like a hard worker like Kohli so hopefully he can achieve success..

If ability as a player is the criteria, then Pandya is well on his way to becoming the next captain. However, watching him play I don't think he will be a good leader of the team. He is totally focussed on playing the best possible. Not sure if he can take on the additional burden of leading the other players in the team.

 

[Varun]

His logic is about entire tats not selecting a specific country.. By your logic gillespie is better batsman than Ponting/Sachin/Lara since he scored 200 against xyz Bowling attack at abc ground.. Anyone can cherry pick stats and show x is better than y if you want to compare career then sure compare Gul and Ajmals with kohli’s..

You're wrong. Although Gillespie scored 201* against Bangladesh, Sachin has managed 248* against the same team at the same ground. Therefore, Sachin is better.

 

[big_gamer007]

If ability as a player is the criteria, then Pandya is well on his way to becoming the next captain. However, watching him play I don't think he will be a good leader of the team. He is totally focussed on playing the best possible. Not sure if he can take on the additional burden of leading the other players in the team.

Kohli will be captain for next 5-7 years so maybe by the time Pandya’s time comes things would be different..

 

[big_gamer007]

You're wrong. Although Gillespie scored 201* against Bangladesh, Sachin has managed 248* against the same team at the same ground. Therefore, Sachin is better.

Haha Ofcourse no one can beat Little master in anything.. True GOAT.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Terrific player. I thought he was slightly overrated and an inferior player of pace compared to many batsmen in the world but his innings in this Test has convinced me he's one to watch out for. Scoring in South Africa is hard to begin with, but to do it on a pitch where every other Indian batsman failed against a raring attck of Steyn, Rabada, Morkel and Philander is nothing short of spectacular. Thoroughly impressed.

 

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What do I think of Shakib and Ali? Okay, since you asked...

While Pandya took off the easy series against SL to get ready for SA, and is now gutting it out against possibly the best pace attack, Shakib abandoned his teammates and skipped SA where his team got thoroughly pounded.

Good news bad news for Mooen. Good news first, a fine average of 115. Bad news, that is his bowling average.

A series skipped does not make him a bad player, which has nothing to do with his capability off being an allrounder. Stick to the topic when discussing. This is not a discussion about if X or Y player skipped a series. Also, Ali is an avg allrounder, but in this era, we have crappy allrounders going around beside Shakib and Stokes so Angelo and Ali are the second best imo and that alone tells you the current situation of allrounders. The point of the discussion is Pandey's ranking vs other allrounders (unofficial fan ranking). He is definitely an impactful player but HE IS NOT THE BEST IN THE WORLD, not even close. But my second paragraph of my first post pretty much covers why I think he will be the king of all allrounders in a couple of years.