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Religion can never be proven logically and will always fail if you compare it to science, and that is why it is about faith.

There is a reason why the vast majority of top scientists in today's world are atheists. My advice to you is to not mingle science and religion if you want your faith in the latter to remain strong.

If you have faith in God you find out after death that there is nothing, you will not lose anything. You will just be dead.

However, if you do not have faith in God and you find out after death that everything that Islam told you about was true, what will you do?

The bottom line is that it is better (and safer) to be a believer than to be a non-believer.
You are doing what Ali (RA) told to a person who was once an aethist , probably that’s the lowest level of faith which is acceptable by Allah , but I invite you to ponder more and increase your faith more so that you start loving Allah because after all he is our creator
 
And I did my research on comparative religion around 10 years ago when I was going through existential crisis and I can safely say that I chose to become Muslim and I am proud of it not just because I was born a Muslim

What you get taught in childhood plays a big role in what faith you follow when you grow up. That is the sad truth.

Otherwise you should state what specifically in Islam convinced you that it alone is the truth and other religions are false.
 
What you get taught in childhood plays a big role in what faith you follow when you grow up. That is the sad truth.

Otherwise you should state what specifically in Islam convinced you that it alone is the truth and other religions are false.
To be honest with you the thing which touch my heart in remaining Muslim after comparing all the religions is just a real basic thing
One world ,one religion and one God and Surah Ikhlas really opened my heart
 
If you see all major religions especially monotheism ones there is some twisting of the concept of GOD with it’s creation and Islam is the only religion which absolutely subtracts the God from its creation in its absolute form
 
What you get taught in childhood plays a big role in what faith you follow when you grow up. That is the sad truth.

Otherwise you should state what specifically in Islam convinced you that it alone is the truth and other religions are false.
Even though the childhood teachings do have its impact but we are wired by God to still accept his oneness and it’s separation from its creation, it’s just a built in mechanics in every human if we chose to ponder and explore.
 
And with respect to polytheism, it’s just unnatural

A normal husband doesn’t want his wife to have sex with other male because it’s not natural and we are not wired this way but are there people who gets sexual pleasure upon seeing their wives having sex with other males , are they natural ? Nope ? Are they sick from their hearts and minds? Yes Ofcourse

In a similar mind God doesn’t want his creation associates partners with him in any form , is it natural? Ofcourse if normal man can’t bear other male having sex with his wife then how can God accept his creation associate partners with him? But are there people who associate partners with God ? Yes , is it a normal and natural thing to do? Ofcourse not because a normal human mind still has the tendency to accept oneness of God even if he born in a polytheist family , but it’s his duty to ponder and activate that instinct of his which is still inside him deeply but it is under the layers of the teachings and beliefs which has been drilled down to him since childhood
 
It’s a sad reality that many many people just never bother to ponder about the reason of their existence and they just chose to accept whatever has been drilled down to them since childhood and just get on about their daily lives and those who chose to ponder for the reason of their existence and start searching for the truth are rightly guided by Allah
 
@Muhammad Saad


You keep talking about right or wrong, but this is not about right or wrong. I don't want to change your mind on how you view Islam and what it means to you. I want you to have an open mind and acknowledge that you, and I, are Muslims by birth not by choice.

You have studied other religions and so have I, but neither of us renounced our faith at one point, became religion-free, studied ALL religions in the world to the same depth and then decided that we will become Muslims. This applies to @Technics 1210 and he think it is an assumption on my part but well if it is as assumption, please let me know when you went through the process I described above. He, you and I clearly didn't.

There is a big difference between becoming religion-less and studying all religions with an open mind and studying comparative religion as a Muslim. If it is the latter, there is no way you can ignore the inherent subconscious bias even if your conscious self is telling you that you are being impartial. There is no way you can be impartial unless and until you shed your belief system from the roots.
I think faith is a beautiful thing. A child who loses his father can seek solace in the belief that he is in a better place rather than believing that he is now a meal for microorganisms. Moreover, a person who is going through a difficult period in life can take comfort in the faith that their prayers will be answered by the Almighty.

However, faith is what it is. It cannot be proven through logic and sense. Your assertion that if anyone studies Islam with an open mind and uses logic, they will accept Islam to be the only true religion. That is not true at all because you cannot prove with logic where Allah SWT came from, you cannot prove the existence of angels and jinns and life after death.

This is 100% blind faith and you believe it because you choose to believe it. Same goes for other religions. They all rely on blind faith at a fundamental level. If you preach Islam to others, you need to sell your faith and not sell Islam by logic because no religion can beat logic. Religion (blind faith) and logic (factual evidence) cannot coexist.

As for as the Prophet PBUH's military and political success is concerned, history is filled with examples of individuals who achieved things that you wouldn't associate with a mortal person, but for you, their success is their genius and Prophet Muhammad's PBUH success is a miracle of Islam. Why? Simply because you choose to believe that it is a miracle of Islam because of your faith as a Muslim.

The human mind believes what it wants to believe and it can come up with its own justifications to support the belief system that is deeply integrated.

As far as science is concerned, The Quran is a not a book of science and the Muslims at the time of the Prophet PBUH did not achieve any scientific growth. Please note that the scientific success of the Golden Age of Islam is credited to the Muʿtazilahs who steered away from the traditional teachings of Islam and had to be eradicated to protect the true teachings of Islam.

We need to accept that religion is all about blind faith. If we start using logic, common sense and science to support our blind, we will only end up questioning our faith because they cannot co-exist.
 
Again no coincidence on seeing essays when it comes to attacking Islam, but meanwhile all other religions and their respective faith based initiatives and myths are sound and immune to the essay-lead vitirol.
 
This is 100% blind faith and you believe it because you choose to believe it. Same goes for other religions. They all rely on blind faith at a fundamental level. If you preach Islam to others, you need to sell your faith and not sell Islam by logic because no religion can beat logic. Religion (blind faith) and logic (factual evidence) cannot coexist.

What if your religion comes in conflict with logic aka factual evidence ?

I think I read somewhere you're a doctor. What happens if your medical profession training comes in conflict with your blind faith religious edicts. Whose side will you take ?
 
@Muhammad Saad


You keep talking about right or wrong, but this is not about right or wrong. I don't want to change your mind on how you view Islam and what it means to you. I want you to have an open mind and acknowledge that you, and I, are Muslims by birth not by choice.

You have studied other religions and so have I, but neither of us renounced our faith at one point, became religion-free, studied ALL religions in the world to the same depth and then decided that we will become Muslims. This applies to @Technics 1210 and he think it is an assumption on my part but well if it is as assumption, please let me know when you went through the process I described above. He, you and I clearly didn't.

There is a big difference between becoming religion-less and studying all religions with an open mind and studying comparative religion as a Muslim. If it is the latter, there is no way you can ignore the inherent subconscious bias even if your conscious self is telling you that you are being impartial. There is no way you can be impartial unless and until you shed your belief system from the roots.
I think faith is a beautiful thing. A child who loses his father can seek solace in the belief that he is in a better place rather than believing that he is now a meal for microorganisms. Moreover, a person who is going through a difficult period in life can take comfort in the faith that their prayers will be answered by the Almighty.

However, faith is what it is. It cannot be proven through logic and sense. Your assertion that if anyone studies Islam with an open mind and uses logic, they will accept Islam to be the only true religion. That is not true at all because you cannot prove with logic where Allah SWT came from, you cannot prove the existence of angels and jinns and life after death.

This is 100% blind faith and you believe it because you choose to believe it. Same goes for other religions. They all rely on blind faith at a fundamental level. If you preach Islam to others, you need to sell your faith and not sell Islam by logic because no religion can beat logic. Religion (blind faith) and logic (factual evidence) cannot coexist.

As for as the Prophet PBUH's military and political success is concerned, history is filled with examples of individuals who achieved things that you wouldn't associate with a mortal person, but for you, their success is their genius and Prophet Muhammad's PBUH success is a miracle of Islam. Why? Simply because you choose to believe that it is a miracle of Islam because of your faith as a Muslim.

The human mind believes what it wants to believe and it can come up with its own justifications to support the belief system that is deeply integrated.

As far as science is concerned, The Quran is a not a book of science and the Muslims at the time of the Prophet PBUH did not achieve any scientific growth. Please note that the scientific success of the Golden Age of Islam is credited to the Muʿtazilahs who steered away from the traditional teachings of Islam and had to be eradicated to protect the true teachings of Islam.

We need to accept that religion is all about blind faith. If we start using logic, common sense and science to support our blind, we will only end up questioning our faith because they cannot co-exist.
One person can’t have all the attributes of a great political leader , military leader , socio economic leader , person with very high standard of moral and upright character, can predict future, is an eloquent poet , having scientific knowledge , having knowledge of human psychology altogether in one

History has seen countless special person who were specialized in one field or other but for someone who can’t even read or write yet possess all those qualities is not logically possible unless there is something which is above logic, now if you want to call that blind faith so be it , but there are things which human mind can’t comprehend
 
Every religion beside Islam mixes up creation with the creator in some way or the other, l
You have a theory that the creator has to be separate from the creation. Good for you and you have chosen the path you want to follow.
Others need not believe in that theory. Hence, they choose what path to follow. In the end, all is good when we accept the differences.
 
You have a theory that the creator has to be separate from the creation. Good for you and you have chosen the path you want to follow.
Others need not believe in that theory. Hence, they choose what path to follow. In the end, all is good when we accept the differences.
It’s not a theory but my personal experience after comparing all the religions and I am not even quoting any Islamic text to defend it , I believe it’s natural and is built in every human being just like there is motherly instinct in every mother in a similar way there is absolutely one god instinct in every human but unexplored and underneath the layers of his childhood beliefs and teachings
 
It’s not a theory but my personal experience after comparing all the religions and I am not even quoting any Islamic text to defend it , I believe it’s natural and is built in every human being just like there is motherly instinct in every mother in a similar way there is absolutely one god instinct in every human but unexplored and underneath the layers of his childhood beliefs and teachings
sure, you have personal experience. And you believe creator and created need to be separate. You may have strong reasons for that. Similarly, others could have their own experience to believe what they believe. We have no right to generalize as you said "there is absolutely one god instinct in every human". That is your assumption.

BTW, I am not religious, and I believe everyone has the right to follow whatever spiritual path that choose.
 
It’s not a theory but my personal experience after comparing all the religions and I am not even quoting any Islamic text to defend it , I believe it’s natural and is built in every human being just like there is motherly instinct in every mother in a similar way there is absolutely one god instinct in every human but unexplored and underneath the layers of his childhood beliefs and teachings
You're spot on. I would add it's not just humans but that all creation has this basic instinct. The whole universe talks of His Hamd and is in praise of Allah SWT
 
sure, you have personal experience. And you believe creator and created need to be separate. You may have strong reasons for that. Similarly, others could have their own experience to believe what they believe. We have no right to generalize as you said "there is absolutely one god instinct in every human". That is your assumption.

BTW, I am not religious, and I believe everyone has the right to follow whatever spiritual path that choose.
It's doesn't matter if you are religious or not but no harm in ponder over the absolute one god concept , may be you might feel the same instinct inside you too or may be not but no harm in trying right?
 
You're spot on. I would add it's not just humans but that all creation has this basic instinct. The whole universe talks of His Hamd and is in praise of Allah SWT
Exactly it's a built in human psyche in a natural way , and those people who choses to live their lives by unnatural means might find it difficult to accept ,
 
I have always find it illogical that Prophet Muhammad was illiterate for all his life. He is attributed with so many gift and ability. He was surrounded by literate people. Being a genius learning to read and write would have come easily to him. There was no reason for him to deliberately stay illiterate.

I think his follower got it wrong by false interpretation.

For all the touchy people this post is not meant as a disrespect to great man.
 
What if he was just a simple man with upright character with exemplary moral standards and not genius? What if he was just simply following the commands of Allah in an exact manner and the outcome was that he perceived to be genius in all walks of life?
Allah deliberately chooses an illiterate person so that people in future don’t say that he was a genius and highly educated and with philosophical mind hence he succeeded in doing everything he did.
 
Allah mentioned it in the bible


Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

It’s clear that prophet Muhammad (saw) was doing exactly as per the orders he received from Allah and not from his own mind.​
 

Zimbabwe police arrest self-proclaimed prophet and rescue 251 children​


A self-proclaimed Apostolic prophet who kept more than 250 children on his property has been arrested in Zimbabwe.

Police said that Ishmael Chokurongerwa, 56, led a sect with more than 1,000 members in Harare.

The children were undocumented and allegedly used as cheap labour. Unregistered graves, believed to be of infants, were also found.

Police said that they arrested Ishmael and seven other members for "criminal activities" and the abuse of minors.

The Zimbabwe Republic Police released a statement on Wednesday saying that the arrest followed a raid that took place at the property on 12 March.

Officers discovered that some 246 out of the 251 children staying at the property had no birth certificates.

The children did not attend any official place of education, police said, and instead were doing manual work - "for the benefit of the sect's leadership" - and "being taught life skills".

Nine graves were found for adults and seven for infants that were dug without official registration, police added.

Video footage taken by local media during the raid showed women dressed in white complaining that the police in riot gear were taking away their children.

One of the sect leaders tells a reporter that God forbids children going to school.

Mr Chokurongerwa, who has been described as a "self-styled prophet", led the sect which was located at a farm about 34km (21 miles) north-west of the capital, Harare.

The other seven members of the sect who were arrested worked with Ishmael Chokurongerwa.

The arrest has sparked conversation about the impact Apostolic faith sects can have on both health and education in Zimbabwe and beyond.

UN children's agency Unicef estimates that more than two million people in Zimbabwe follow Apostolic churches.

A report by the agency found that some 6% of the Zimbabwe population belong such church groups.


 
Atheism is absurd.

This universe is way too systematic. All of these couldn't have happened by chance. There has to be a Creator and that Creator is God.

Human body alone is a proof that there is a Creator. There is clearly intelligent design.

Allahu Akbar (God is the Greatest).
 
Atheism is absurd.

This universe is way too systematic. All of these couldn't have happened by chance. There has to be a Creator and that Creator is God.

Human body alone is a proof that there is a Creator. There is clearly intelligent design.

Allahu Akbar (God is the Greatest).
Well.... Since human knowledge is limited in both atheism and religious contexts, above is easy way to cope out. Just attribute everything that goes above your head to the god and job done.

We just go one step further to seek an explanation.

That's the only difference.
 
Well.... Since human knowledge is limited in both atheism and religious contexts, above is easy way to cope out. Just attribute everything that goes above your head to the god and job done.

We just go one step further to seek an explanation.

That's the only difference.
Well, can you explain the existence of this whole universe? how it come to existence? on its own? There is always a force behind something to be formed, just like there is a creator who created this universes and many other unknown to humans yet.
 
Well, can you explain the existence of this whole universe? how it come to existence? on its own? There is always a force behind something to be formed, just like there is a creator who created this universes and many other unknown to humans yet.
so who created the creator? and created that creator? and who in turn created that creator? and ......

you get the picture yet?
 
Well, can you explain the existence of this whole universe? how it come to existence? on its own? There is always a force behind something to be formed, just like there is a creator who created this universes and many other unknown to humans yet.
Refer to my point above.

Whatever is unknown, you attribute it to God.

We don't.

Do we know the answers? - No.

But are we just being lazy and call it the "creation by creator" and ending the seek for knowledge? - No for that also.

It's a continuous process.
 
Yep it’s the word of god but we don’t know at how much extent it’s free from corruption
huh? so god changed his mind on many things? isn't he supposed to be omniscient? why didn't he get things right the first time?

he forbade shrimp but allowed slavery?
 
Most of the Bible part has been corrupted now by human beings. You can compare different versions of bible and they will all say something different when talking about a similar thing.
 
Just read the translation of Surah Asr, It says that mankind is in loss except those who believe and do good deeds , if you see this world there is lots of misery , food shortages , injustice , poverty , diseases , corruption etc and only very few live a very luxurious life and even they will die too , God has created this world a bad place so that one can ponder what's the point of this world? The one who created this world will ofcourse is powerful enough to create a better world in after life as well , so it just a normal human behavior to starve for betterment in this world , so why not starve for betterment in here after as well?

And also when you are thirsty you look for water because it's a built in mechanics of human being , similarly it's a built in mechanics in human being to find a higher deity/supernatural element or anything which deem higher than humans to worship , hence it resulted in many religion , but that doesn't differentiate from the fact that there is only world and everything in this universe is a precise creation so there has to be one creator as well.
 
Just compare the bible from today to 100 years back version , you will see the corruption with your own eyes , everything available on the internet these days.
Bible is just a collection of stories written by Jewish people. Of course the story and versions will alter over time.

Outside of 10 commandments which the Abrahamic God directly spoke to Moses, nothing is true word of God at least for Jews. Rest are all inspired stories.
 
Just read the translation of Surah Asr, It says that mankind is in loss except those who believe and do good deeds , if you see this world there is lots of misery , food shortages , injustice , poverty , diseases , corruption etc and only very few live a very luxurious life and even they will die too , God has created this world a bad place so that one can ponder what's the point of this world? The one who created this world will ofcourse is powerful enough to create a better world in after life as well , so it just a normal human behavior to starve for betterment in this world , so why not starve for betterment in here after as well?

And also when you are thirsty you look for water because it's a built in mechanics of human being , similarly it's a built in mechanics in human being to find a higher deity/supernatural element or anything which deem higher than humans to worship , hence it resulted in many religion , but that doesn't differentiate from the fact that there is only world and everything in this universe is a precise creation so there has to be one creator as well.
just another book. nothing more as far I'm concerned
 
just like every other book claiming to be gods word meant to appeal to those are, how do I put this nicely, "inclined"
No book claims to be word of God except Quran all other books claims to be from God.

There is a different between from God and a literal word of God.
 
Refer to my point above.

Whatever is unknown, you attribute it to God.

We don't.

Do we know the answers? - No.

But are we just being lazy and call it the "creation by creator" and ending the seek for knowledge? - No for that also.

It's a continuous process.

How old is human history? We've been to the moon yet atheists still can't find an answer to the Creator. How long is this 'continous process' and have you made any progress? If not, don't be lazy and keep looking
 
How old is human history? We've been to the moon yet atheists still can't find an answer to the Creator. How long is this 'continous process' and have you made any progress? If not, don't be lazy and keep looking
Continuous is a continuing process.

You stopped at a particular point.

We don't.
 
Book of Mormon on the same line.... As they have claimed it. By timeline, it should be after Quran.

The book of mormons was proven to be written by Joseph Smith who btw was a racist and hated black people. No holy book promotes racism, use some common sense please
 
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Continuous is a continuing process.

You stopped at a particular point.

We don't.

Ok but we have made progress and stopped at the Quran. You haven't stopped, what progress have you made?
 
The book of mormons was proven to be written by Joseph Smith who btw was a racist and hated black people. No holy book promotes racism, use some common sense please
1. You might want to edit the name of the book.

2. There are more controversial statements in mainstream religions. Context matters. I am sure someone from the Mormon community might explain the context in a different manner.
 
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In what context?

If you ask specific questions, then it's easier to answer.

@BouncerGuy asked some questions about the creation of the universe but let's get specific.

Who/what created th Big Bang?
If evolution is true, then how come we don't see lizard people?
Why is there such a thing like DNA?
Why is water so important for life?
 
@BouncerGuy asked some questions about the creation of the universe but let's get specific.

Who/what created th Big Bang?
If evolution is true, then how come we don't see lizard people?
Why is there such a thing like DNA?
Why is water so important for life?
1. Don't know. Still studying in this regard.

2. Lizard people? What's the context here because I fail to understand the reference.

3. Everything in the world serves a function. That's why it is there (read more about functionalist theories).

4. Why water important? To carry out metabolism.

I don't understand how these questions and answering them will prove anything though.
 
1. Don't know. Still studying in this regard.

2. Lizard people? What's the context here because I fail to understand the reference.

3. Everything in the world serves a function. That's why it is there (read more about functionalist theories).

4. Why water important? To carry out metabolism.

I don't understand how these questions and answering them will prove anything though.

How did these things come about.

For the lizard people part, as an athiest do you believe in evolution?

It's the process of logic. By being able to answer them and then critique, you might be able to reach the truth.
 
How did these things come about.

For the lizard people part, as an athiest do you believe in evolution?

It's the process of logic. By being able to answer them and then critique, you might be able to reach the truth.
I understand process of logic.

But I don't understand what is lizard people or it has got to do anything with evolution.

You are telling me to relate x to y but in my eyes, x has nothing to do with y so what's there to explain?
 
I understand process of logic.

But I don't understand what is lizard people or it has got to do anything with evolution.

You are telling me to relate x to y but in my eyes, x has nothing to do with y so what's there to explain?
As an athiest, do you believe in evolution? It's not a hard question to understand
 
So the last book is the one true book?

seriously thats the logic you are going with?

Simply refuting that there's any Holy Book after the Quran. Anyone that claims there is, is a liar or too ignorant to discuss these topics
 
I belive in evolution.

Great! So please care to explain how come it's only human beings that evolved to the apex beings we are today, at top of the food chain? Whereas there's over 8.7 million known species of different animals on Earth. Why don't we have sentient Lizard people (evolved from dinosaurs) or bird people etc.
 
Great! So please care to explain how come it's only human beings that evolved to the apex beings we are today, at top of the food chain? Whereas there's over 8.7 million known species of different animals on Earth. Why don't we have sentient Lizard people (evolved from dinosaurs) or bird people etc.
Apex is a subjective term and is relative to the reference frame.

Every species is evolving and the current lot that we see are their apex version on their own regards in this very instance of time.

But how it is related to God?

Let's say dog people exists or cat people exists but how that proves that God also exists?
 
Apex is a subjective term and is relative to the reference frame.

Every species is evolving and the current lot that we see are their apex version on their own regards in this very instance of time.

But how it is related to God?

Let's say dog people exists or cat people exists but how that proves that God also exists?

Because we were created and they were not. Hence the Creator is God.

You will never see dog people nor any other animals evolve into sentient beings.

Humans were put on Earth by God
 
Because we were created and they were not. Hence the Creator is God.

You will never see dog people nor any other animals evolve into sentient beings.

Humans were put on Earth by God
Lol. What logic is that?

In the same logic chain, because pigs with wings doesn't exist, thus God exist because God chose pigs not to have wings. The pigs that we see are chosen by God.

Matlab kuch bhi..... Bring logics out of thin air then sprout it like gospel of truth..... I expected much better the way you were going lol.
 
Lol. What logic is that?

In the same logic chain, because pigs with wings doesn't exist, thus God exist because God chose pigs not to have wings. The pigs that we see are chosen by God.

Matlab kuch bhi..... Bring logics out of thin air then sprout it like gospel of truth..... I expected much better the way you were going lol.

It's really simple. Why have only humans evolved?
 
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