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He’s Balochi.Pardon my ignorance, but how is he from the minority community? Christian or Hindu or Sikh?
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He’s Balochi.Pardon my ignorance, but how is he from the minority community? Christian or Hindu or Sikh?
3/39 for Dhani against Babar XI in an intra-squad 50 over game
Pardon my ignorance, but how is he from the minority community? Christian or Hindu or Sikh?
No it's interior Sindh culture.The way he was thanking the crowd with both hands closed , in typical Hindu style, I thought he was one, not sure .
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A reminder of how Dhani came onto the radar. Bowls a sharp bouncer, but some beautiful pitched up deliveries on a good line here too.
Think he needs another season of QEA Trophy though to build his fitness levels up before debuting him in Tests.
If he does debut against Zimbabwe though, I'm sure after one bad over the crybabies will get on his back, claim he's just a PSL bowler etc.
He should not be in the test team without having playing and aced at least 2 FC seasons. For me, he needs to outperform other FC bowlers, and there is no merit in fast-tracking youngsters ahead of performing FC bowlers. I don't care how talented the guy "looks" or how entertaining he is, or how fast he is, or has a sharp bouncer of whatever.
Bit of Shabbir Ahmad in that action, no?
Read the second line of what I said.
Oh yes! I saw that and I was reinforcing what you said.
Unfortunately, you and I belong to a minority.
These same people singing praises about Dhani will be out with knives after a few failures and want him out. Just wait 6 months lol
Meanwhile, guys like Sadaf, Junaid, Tabish, and Sohail were lost because of no merit in the system.
I agree, unfortunately as a nation we are so fixated since Imran Khan's time of unearthing "superstars from nowhere" that it's become part of our cricketing mythology like reverse swing and fast bowling.
What they don't realise is in the past 20 years, our leading Test cricketers were actually groomed in the system however flawed it is. Younis Khan, Misbah-ul-Haq, Babar Azam, Mohammad Rizwan, Saeed Ajmal, Yasir Shah etc all had strong domestic/A team numbers before graduating into internationals.
Misbah of all people should know this given how long he toiled in FC cricket. Yet his populist selections of Musa, Naseem, Rauf, Haider and Abdullah I guess was a way of appeasing the masses who constantly demand new faces. Heck, even Shaheen should've ideally made his Test debut now not 2.5 years ago given he's not been particularly impressive in Tests. Meanwhile we wasted the peaks of guys like Sohail Khan and Waqas Maqsood.
Now Dhani isn't as aggregious as those selections because he was the best young seamer last season in the QEA Trophy but it's too early still for my liking.
Dhani is the best young right arm fast bowler in PK. Lets hope he isnt the latest in the long list of young players too thick to take advantage of their talent.
Its a premature debut and fans are very impatient when debutants don't perform at international level on debut games. The expectation is that the domestic player needs to be ready at debut, which is why fans get angry/upset why the player is not dominating like the way he was doing it domestically. oh well!
Dhani is the best young right arm fast bowler in PK. Lets hope he isnt the latest in the long list of young players too thick to take advantage of their talent.
There's no evidence to support that. In fact, a bowling average of 30+ in FC doesn't suggest that he's the best around when there are guys with bowling averages less than 25 and rightfully deserve a callup.
Based on what
My experience of watching cricket and seeing him bowl
I absolutely agree.
Shahnawaz Dahani has quite mediocre performances in FC cricket at the moment, how he merits selection ahead of people like Irfanullah Shah is a wonder only known in Pakistan Cricket.
Moreover, he was only selected because he caught the limelight in the PSL, a T20 league. This is where our cricket is headed, a kid like Irfanullah Shah averaging right about 20 in FC with 20 games under his belt is not spoken about, yet a kid who's averaging in excess of 30 in FC and got some wickets in a T20 league is now in our test team.
Abysmal if you ask me.
The only place Dahani fits into the team is if we break up the bowlers and their specific roles:
Shaheen - specifically for the new ball, gets swing and has a left-arm angle.
Hasan - at the moment, he's quite expensive with the new ball but gets considerable reverse with the old ball.
Faheem - doesn't really swing the ball at all and relies more on hitting a consistent line and length and hoping that the pitch does something.
Now, Dahani is what you would associate as a guy who runs in and bowls hard, kind of like a Wahab Riaz type of kid. Shaheen barely uses perhaps one of his most potent deliveries: the bouncer. So I can see Dahani being told to go hard at the body.
But at the same time, he demonstrates poor control over his line and length.
Irfanullah Shah was clearly a better pick in my opinion, he has wickets and would be a reliable bowler to accompany Shaheen with the new ball. Got shades of swing on those dead QEA Trophy pitches last season.
Mir Hamza used to be a consistent performer a while back but never got opportunities to prove himself, and his recent form isn't that good.
Shahnawaz Dahani's selection is oddly like Naseem Shah's selection. I don't see a point in introducing so much new blood into the test team. It's why we're so inconsistent in the format, we keep changing and bringing in new players when there's no need.
The same was said about Naseem, Musa etc. by experienced eyes of one of the greatest fast bowler in the history, Waqar. And we all saw how the international batsmen ate them up.
NS did well at the start, Musa was a punt too far. Dhani has lots to offer, I am still waiting to see if he can move the ball away from the right handers and if he can, he will kick on even more.
Based on what
I absolutely agree.
Shahnawaz Dahani has quite mediocre performances in FC cricket at the moment, how he merits selection ahead of people like Irfanullah Shah is a wonder only known in Pakistan Cricket.
Moreover, he was only selected because he caught the limelight in the PSL, a T20 league. This is where our cricket is headed, a kid like Irfanullah Shah averaging right about 20 in FC with 20 games under his belt is not spoken about, yet a kid who's averaging in excess of 30 in FC and got some wickets in a T20 league is now in our test team.
Abysmal if you ask me.
The only place Dahani fits into the team is if we break up the bowlers and their specific roles:
Shaheen - specifically for the new ball, gets swing and has a left-arm angle.
Hasan - at the moment, he's quite expensive with the new ball but gets considerable reverse with the old ball.
Faheem - doesn't really swing the ball at all and relies more on hitting a consistent line and length and hoping that the pitch does something.
Now, Dahani is what you would associate as a guy who runs in and bowls hard, kind of like a Wahab Riaz type of kid. Shaheen barely uses perhaps one of his most potent deliveries: the bouncer. So I can see Dahani being told to go hard at the body.
But at the same time, he demonstrates poor control over his line and length.
Irfanullah Shah was clearly a better pick in my opinion, he has wickets and would be a reliable bowler to accompany Shaheen with the new ball. Got shades of swing on those dead QEA Trophy pitches last season.
Mir Hamza used to be a consistent performer a while back but never got opportunities to prove himself, and his recent form isn't that good.
Shahnawaz Dahani's selection is oddly like Naseem Shah's selection. I don't see a point in introducing so much new blood into the test team. It's why we're so inconsistent in the format, we keep changing and bringing in new players when there's no need.
Guys like Sameen Gul and Mir Hamza should be ahead of the pecking order, Dhani needs a few more seasons in domestics. Idiot management
Not for you but i have seen him bowl and the lad is a hell of a prospect.
In addition to the valid points you made, i think the other myth plaquing Pakistan cricket since early 2000s is an unhealthy obsession with pace. We are a country who label any bowler under 135 as a "trundler" and happily ignore these domestic wicket-takers and pick rookies because they have pace. This is why proven performers like Sadaf, Tabish, Waqas, Sohail are consistently overlooked while guys like Musa, Naseem climb over the line.
Meanwhile, the majority of the top 20 top ranked ICC test fast bowlers today all bowl around 130. Top ten for example is dominated by Anderson, Broad, Cummins, Woakes, Hazelwood, Southee, Wagner Holder, Shami, all bowl around the 130-135 mark in test cricket.
The only top-ranked test fast bowlers who breach 140 consistently are Starc and sometimes Bumrah. Others average around 132/133 but they know the art of setting up batsmen. On evidence, it is the SKILLS and CONTROL that's needed in test cricket to succeed once you your pace is 130+. Above all, the ability to exploit weaknesses
Both infanullah and dahani need 1 more season irfanullah had better stats but he's similar to abbas,tabish.like Abdullah dahani is thier Based upon potential and will most likely won't make his debut against zimbabwe but I maybe wrong
Irfanullah is 26 right now, and he has better pace and height when compared with Abbas. You can compare them and there's nothing that suggests that Dahani deserved a callup ahead of Irfanullah.
Irfanullah Shah: 18 games, 77 wickets, 19.84 bowling average, 37.80 strike rate, 3.13 ER
Shahnawaz Dahani: 8 games, 27 wickets, 33.90 bowling average, 54.8 strike rate, 3.68 ER
There's no comparison whatsoever, it is a crime that Shahnawaz was selected ahead of Irfanullah. If Dahani was even that good, surely he'd have some credible FC stats but it shows clearly that he is not ready for international exposure.
Irfanullah will, unfortunately, become one of those just like Tabish, ignored in his prime, brought in when he's 35, and will be discarded without any chances.
This is the standard of our FC system and our cricket team as a whole. Terrible and pathetic. Mohammad Wasim fed into the views of the public to save himself from the incompetent fans and journalists who would have criticized him.
But he's a similar pacer to abbas and tabish it would not make sense to have irfanullah and tabish in the squad if tabish wasn't thiet then thiers a case for irfanullah.dahani gives you extra dimensions plus it's not likely he will make the playing xi.irfanullah and dahani ideally need 1 more seasons in domestic.irfanullah has excellent control and can generally move the ball and has decent height.
I saw Irfanullah Shah in the QEA Trophy and he impressed swinging the ball both ways.
He's not much quicker than Abbas though, but is taller so can force batsmen back in the crease.
He was spoken about from his U19 years, perhaps [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] can explain better but didn't he have issues with his bowling action ?
Irfanullah could have easily been on the team ahead of Haris Rauf.
That's the problem. Why is Rauf on the team when he has hardly played 5 FC games? It makes no sense because one of Dahani or Rauf already gives you the dimension of sheer pace which you're referring to.
That's my argument. Irfanullah has good control over the ball, bowls decent lines and lengths, and above all has the first class stats and age to merit a spot on the team. This is exactly why our cricket is at such a poor state, we continue to ignore those who are performing well for test matches in search of those who bowl just fractionally faster.
Yes yes Shahnawaz. He's much more polished than likes of Naseem and Musa.
Another good FC season and I can't wait to see what we have.
Good to see a youngster with alot of passion he has got alot of good things to like about his bowling however he needs to work on his variations.effortless action.
Wholeheartedly agree. I believe the rest will come with experience. I really hope that PCB invests in him and takes care of this guy.
Love this kid. Has a bright future ahead of him.
We have too many good pacers at the moment.
Afridi, Hasan, Shah, Rauf, Musa, Dahani, not including Wahab, Sohail, etc. im sure I’m forgetting a few others. Bowling’s in good hands!
Sameen Gul will do well in tests.No sure about Hamza.Dhani needs one more season.Guys like Sameen Gul and Mir Hamza should be ahead of the pecking order, Dhani needs a few more seasons in domestics. Idiot management
He has pace and bounce so he will do well in tests.In t20 even the best bowlers get smashed.Its a batmen's game.He is just a one trick pony bowler bowls short after short bowl that might work against Pakistani batsmen who are woeful against pacy short balls but in international cricket he might get found out. its the Imran Khan that has surprised everyone as a limited over bowler.