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Can you show me where he preached extremism ?His views on Sanatan doesn't resonate with anyone.
He preaches extremism and that's why he has been banned from multiple countries.
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Can you show me where he preached extremism ?His views on Sanatan doesn't resonate with anyone.
He preaches extremism and that's why he has been banned from multiple countries.
Correct ? Brother religion is based on scriptures , apart from Islam , if someone can prove me their scripture is in untampered form , with chain of narrations I will believe that.
As I said I am open to accept , if correct evidence is provided.
that im not disagreeing with. For everyone there religion is the truth.If I believe myself to be true , it makes others false by default.
For a Christian his doctrine is correct , Islam , Hinduism ,Buddhism etc are false.
2 +2 can only be four , it cannot be 6 or 5 .
You will only find people from India and Indian origin against Him. Calling everyone a terrorist is quite easy but there is no proof.Can you show me where he preached extremism ?
You will only find people from India and Indian origin against Him. Calling everyone a terrorist is quite easy but there is no proof.
I will answer your question , but for that I need to know your background. So , what is your believe ? Do you believe in any religion or not?Neither is Islam ... see video link in post# 55
that im not disagreeing with. For everyone there religion is the truth.
Issue is when you start preaching this fact, that your faith is wrong and mine is correct
I will answer your question , but for that I need to know your background. So , what is your believe ? Do you believe in any religion or not?
Doesnt matter what my beliefs are .... I am not here to claim or impose my religion on anyone. YOU however claimed that your holy scripture is in an untampered form. So pls watch that video and it will tell you why that isn't so.
When you answer a person you need to know the background to give proper answer. The answer you give to a Muslim will be different to a hindu , or a christian . It will differ when you answer a layman or someone of knowledge.
So , no one has time for such long videos.
I am having conversation with you , not some random person online.
Just two things , your background , and one contradiction you believe Quran has. One point at a time.
Thanks.
You have full right to do so , if you can . Nothing wrong in propagating what is truth according to you till it does not harm others.
Correct ? Brother religion is based on scriptures , apart from Islam , if someone can prove me their scripture is in untampered form , with chain of narrations I will believe that.
As I said I am open to accept , if correct evidence is provided.
Islam is NOT against co existence , people have right to follow own religion , but I have right to present my case. Job of a Muslim is only to give the message to others , and clear misconceptions about Islam. No one can or should force someone to be a Muslim.
You will only find people from India and Indian origin against Him. Calling everyone a terrorist is quite easy but there is no proof.
Look I have no issue with accepting he is wrong , but just mere statement is not enough , statement needs to be backed with evidence. Zakir Naik is an educated person , I do not think he would do such a thing. Islam no where preaches killing of Innocent people. If any Muslim is encouraging such an act , that person is is himself to be blamed.
You have said this a few times but apart from saying it haven't given any reasons why.that im not disagreeing with. For everyone there religion is the truth.
Issue is when you start preaching this fact, that your faith is wrong and mine is correct
They are ignoring this point like a plague and only blaming hindus.Why did UK Canada Sri Lanka etc banned him?
Ayman Al Zawahiri was a very educated person. Isn't it?
Why to Pakistanis hate Indians by giving red carpet to a hate monger??There is always a reason to hate some one. It could be one's brutal or unjust actions and sometimes it could also pertain to one's foul language full of tropes, lies or expletives. But why a scholar like Zakir Naik enjoys a status of boogeyman for Indian Hindus even among liberal Hindus despite the fact that he has never partake in any terrorist activity against the Indians and never have endorsed any such attempt.
So is the hatred against Zakir Naik result of his conversion of Hindus to Islam on mass scale or is there any plausible explanation by Hindus to justify their hatred of modern day inter religion scholar?
Why do hindutwa justify Hitler II (Netanyahu) to massacre Thousands of innocent children and womenWhy to Pakistanis hate Indians by giving red carpet to a hate monger??
Why do hindutwa justify Hitler II (Netanyahu) to massacre Thousands of innocent children and women
Same reason why likes of Kier Starmer, Joe Biden etc supports and arms Israel. Though no one advocates killing of innocent children and women but everyone unanimously understands that Israel has got right to self defend. If likes of Hezbollah, Hamas and Houthis fire rockets at Israel, Israel will fire back.
Talking about women, why do Islamists never condemn the Taliban rule in Afghanistan who has caged women in that country deprived of any rights?
Who is saying Palestanians are not defending themselves? Iran with its proxies are continuously attacking Israel on behalf of Palestine. They are aggressors and that is why most western world (where you live) sides with Israel.Do the Palastanians have the right to defend themselves?
What about Modis human rights record against minorities. Do you condemn it?
Who is saying Palestanians are not defending themselves? Iran with its proxies are continuously attacking Israel on behalf of Palestine. They are aggressors and that is why most western world (where you live) sides with Israel.
Minorities are flourishing in India under Modi. Why will I condemn it?
Do you not see how many muslim players play for India? Siraj Bhai, Shami Bhai, Sarfraz Bhai etc etc. Do you not remember how Javed Akhtar schooled Pakistani journalist about 26/11 when he travelled there? Does any of these suggest that minorities are supressed in India? It is a figment of imagination among Islamists who themselves don't give any right to minorities viz a viz what is happening in present Bangladesh.
When was the last time any hindu or christian or sikh cricketer played for India? Do you condemn?
Everyone has right to self defend....I have maintained this from day 1. In this case though, Hamas & Hezbollah were the aggressors and Israel is self defending themselves.So you finally agree, Palastanians have the right to defendthemselves, glad the delusion symptoms have declined.
Lol. I Never championed treatments of minorities in any team. You did. So when I revealed some hard truths you've lost it.
Any way, no point derailing the thread . Let's stick to the Topic, and appreciate the intellect qualities of Dr zakir Naik.
You said why did I never questioned the treatment of minorities in India. You did right?
So I just gave you examples that minorities of India are flourishing in every field. Considering this is a cricket forum, I gave examples of cricket. How come a countries cricket team has so many minority players playing if they are not treated well and dnt get fair opportunities. Your argument now look silly right?
Then to further save the embarrassment, you quoted an article from Al Jazeera saying few no named online trolls attacked Shami and Arshdeep. I just gave you example how online trolls belong to every country...how English football players for racially abused too. Also how there is no guarantee that a person pretending to be Indian in twitter is actually who he is claiming to be.
Now you are asking me to stick to the topic.
Okay I will stick to the topic but lets summarise what we have learned in the past 30 mins -
A) Indian minorities are flourishing
B) You couldnt come with any substantiative logic to counter my points
C) Now taking the escape route.
Good day
The same great man who is banned in UK, the country you liveI could carry on and further expose the hypocrisies. But this thread is for the Great man Dr Zakir Naik. Possibly Sir Zakir Naik to you.
The same great man who is banned in UK, the country you live
He is an extremist with 5 countries banned his entry. Only people with certain mindset find him great man.
I am not labelling him as an extremist but 5 countries banned his entry bcoz of him being an extremist giving hate speech and luring people of religious conversions. Among those 5 countries also include United Kingdom where you live. You supporting him clearly meaning you are siding with extremists. Not cool bro.You labelling him a extremist means zilch. Majority of the Hindus who converted under his guidance, appreciate his services.
What I am saying is, Pakistan has a massive problem in treatment of minorities. This is not only a problem in Pakistan though but in any nation ruled by Islamists. Just check what is happening with Hindu's in Bangladesh for example. So for you to come here and accuse Modi of mistreating minorities in India is an hilarious attempt.
Considering this is a cricket forum, I just gave example how minorities are flourishing in Indian cricket team where as hardly any non-muslim players plays for Pakistan. The handful of ones that did either got converted or mistreated due to their religious beliefs.
What I am saying is a fact and not something I am making it up.
I am not labelling him as an extremist but 5 countries banned his entry bcoz of him being an extremist giving hate speech and luring people of religious conversions. Among those 5 countries also include United Kingdom where you live. You supporting him clearly meaning you are siding with extremists. Not cool bro.
Minorities have been selected in the Pakistan team which you are clearly being ignorant to. If currently they are not good enough, tgat is a separate issue
You have said this a few times but apart from saying it haven't given any reasons why.
Why is it an issue to preach that your religion is a fact?
post 106, you labelled him as a extremist,
" He is a extremist who is banned from 5 countries"
Once again flipflop at its best.
So you presumed me being a British Pakistani, I would be living in a heavily Pakistani populated area, which once again shows your true colours.
Zakir Naik exposes Hinduism, in India. This is not ZN's fault, but the fault of Hinduism. If Hinduism ideology were sound and not full of gaping holes, then it would take just one Hindutva Indian to shut Zakir Naik down - alas not possible!
Zakir Naik exposes Hinduism, in India. This is not ZN's fault, but the fault of Hinduism. If Hinduism ideology were sound and not full of gaping holes, then it would take just one Hindutva Indian to shut Zakir Naik down - alas not possible!
There is no general consensus of what Hinduism stands for or represents, which is why it is so easy for the likes of Zakir Nail to dismantle Hinduism.
To be fair though, Modi alone is enough to expose Hindutva for what it really is.
Why did BD banned him? None of these guys will respond.
Wow I did not even realise he had been banned by Hasina. She really must have been in the pocket of Modi's India. What an indictment of her dictatorial regime.
BD's ban of Zakir Naik may get lifted soon since Indian bootlicker Hasina is not in power anymore.
Wow I did not even realise he had been banned by Hasina. She really must have been in the pocket of Modi's India. What an indictment of her dictatorial regime.
Why was he banned by Canada and UK ?
What's the difference if someone says one vs two?Saying 'Islam is the one true religion, that's a fact' is an ignorant way to say it. Fact means it a testable and reproduceable phenomenon which religion clearly is not. No religion is.
The correct way of saying it is ' We Muslims believe our religion to be the one true religion'. Assert that is a statement of belief, not fact.
He got red carpet from Malaysia and Qatar. Do you think they are Islamist?Yeah wont be surprising that present Islamist regime of BD will lifting the ban of this extremist. Will they give him red carpet too, like Pakistan did?
UK banned Zakir Naik too.
Funny how it is Indians that tend to get banned from entering the West.
Yes...ofcourse. Are they not Muslim countries?He got red carpet from Malaysia and Qatar. Do you think they are Islamist?
You guys spend too much time worrying about Zakir and his circus tricks.
He won't answer it.
I think the issue is that Hinduism includes a lot of ridiculous stuff that's easy to make fun of of you're so inclined - elephant and monkey headed gods included. But religion is a very sensitive and emotional subject and the you have to be careful of your language and tone in your criticism especially if you are an adherent of another religion.This is it in a nutshell. Naik isn't exactly the most sophisticated debator, in fact even if you read the threads on him I would say most Pakistanis on here are more critical than supportive. But as a former Hindu he probably knows the Hindu scriptures quite well and maybe this is why he hits sensitive spots for a lot of our Hindu posters. That is understandable, but still more effective to just calmly pick apart his reasoning rather than get hysterical and throw labels like terrorist around. Is he really worth that much of your attention?
Why would I since it's not been me who has brought up his bans in various countries in the first place. This is an Indian poster led campaign, the only contention on my part has been that it's wrong to pretend it was for terrorism.
I think the issue is that Hinduism includes a lot of ridiculous stuff that's easy to make fun of of you're so inclined - elephant and monkey headed gods included. But religion is a very sensitive and emotional subject and the you have to be careful of your language and tone in your criticism especially if you are an adherent of another religion.
Zakir Naik isn't and he's also high profile which makes him very difficult to tolerate.
It's like Charlie Hebdo's cartoonists demanded to be allowed to go around freely making cartoons of the Muslim prophet in Muslim states.
I have no idea of the money laundering accusations (from my experience of religious preachers, pretty likely) but the ban based on his preaching is clearly wrong but understandable.
It's an interesting word.Yes...ofcourse. Are they not Muslim countries?
The other day one guy here told me there is do difference between Islamists and muslims and they are same as per oxford dictionary definition. He also accused that Islamist is a term given by posters here in PP and don't actually exist.
But do you agree with the UK decision ?
Are you aware that a certain Robert Spencer, a staunch critic of Islam, has been banned from entering the UK ? This is a decision of the Home Ministry that many british muslims agree with. I assume you do too. Zakir Naik was likely banned in a similiar manner.
That is definitely true. Hindus have become increasingly thin skinned. There was a time when I used to feel very comfortable making fun of Hindu beliefs and gods in casual company. In the current environment, I don't think I would dare except among a very close and trusted friend circle.Then it depends on which side of the coin you fall. In the modern era it is argued that religion should be open to mockery. It is in fact the Muslims who have gained a reputation of not tolerating it with regard to their holy figures. Seems like Hindus are also now wanting to go down that path whereas previously it was not seen as much of an issue, so it's an interesting direction.
No I'm not aware of Robert Spencer or the reason for any bans. Like I said I am only following what has been posted on this thread, I don't follow the works of Zakir Naik or Robert Spencer.
So was Modi. Lest we forget.The same great man who is banned in UK, the country you live
He is an extremist with 5 countries banned his entry. Only people with certain mindset find him great man.
BD banned him because The Begum wanted to please her masters. As he is allowed to live in Qatar, should Ind withdraw all its labour and impose sanctions and if they don't then what does that imply.They are ignoring this point like a plague and only blaming hindus.
Why did BD banned him? None of these guys will respond.
Why did UK ban him? Can our resident Brit Pakistani's answer?
How can I forget when Pakistanis here remind of that everyday. However, I have answered it multiple time. Pls give it a readSo was Modi. Lest we forget.
Qatar has banned him? Why haven't they? When are Ind going to get extradited. And talking about Hate Yogi Adityanath as apparently a future PM of Ind. A guy that spits bile against Muslims. Is he an extremistHis views on Sanatan doesn't resonate with anyone.
He preaches extremism and that's why he has been banned from multiple countries.
The banning or none bannings are just games. Modi was banned then unbanned when he got close to power. The guy is called an extremist because they feared him not because he advocated extremist behaviour.How can I forget when Pakistanis here remind of that everyday. However, I have answered it multiple time. Pls give it a read
Zakir Naik - What do you think of him?
you made the analogy. I merely agreed with your analogy Yup, becos religion has caused no deaths. and atheistic dogma commands atheists to go out kill becos they will reach heaven in afterlife... oh wait... I no where said religious wars did not occur , they did , but if you want to discuss...ppforum.pakpassion.net
No matter how they say it the adherent of the religion believes it to be a fact.
Qatar has banned him? Why haven't they? When are Ind going to get extradited. And talking about Hate Yogi Adityanath as apparently a future PM of Ind. A guy that spits bile against Muslims. Is he an extremist
The banning or none bannings are just games. Modi was banned then unbanned when he got close to power. The guy is called an extremist because they feared him not because he advocated extremist behaviour.
BD banned him because The Begum wanted to please her masters. As he is allowed to live in Qatar, should Ind withdraw all its labour and impose sanctions and if they don't then what does that imply.
He lives in Malaysia not Qatar.
After Saudis Emiratis US China and Turkey, is Qatar the new messiah of pakistanis?
Yes but clearly it irks the Hindutwa, that Naik is next door giving lectures about his time in India when he had masses at his lectures and converting.He lives in Malaysia not Qatar.
After Saudis Emiratis US China and Turkey, is Qatar the new messiah of pakistanis?
But he goes to on a very regular basis to Qatar and you don't have a problem with that. Didn't he appear in the WC promoHe lives in Malaysia not Qatar.
After Saudis Emiratis US China and Turkey, is Qatar the new messiah of pakistanis?
The other countries did it because you guys got scared off his success. Maybe you should have put some of your Hindu guys up against himFeared him? India UK Canada BD SL all feared him?
Modi was banned when he faced accusations. Modi was unbanned when courts exonerated him.
Yes but clearly it irks the Hindutwa, that Naik is next door giving lectures about his time in India when he had masses at his lectures and converting.
Okay but now that you got to know, do you agree with UK banning him on the pretext of being an extremist?
Its a simple question been asked but seems like you are reluctant to answer
The other countries did it because you guys got scared off his success. Maybe you should have put some of your Hindu guys up against him
Nothing to do with that. He was unbanned because he had power of the Worlds most populous nation and countries put their interests first.. Netanyahu isn't banned from America but he hasn't been cleared.Feared him? India UK Canada BD SL all feared him?
Modi was banned when he faced accusations. Modi was unbanned when courts exonerated him.
Filled out stadiums from memory. But because these Hindutuva clowns couldn't debate him, they created this whole drama.Yes but clearly it irks the Hindutwa, that Naik is next door giving lectures about his time in India when he had masses at his lectures and converting.
But he goes to on a very regular basis to Qatar and you don't have a problem with that. Didn't he appear in the WC promo
Which terrorists? Who has inspired more people to be killed, Modi or NaikSuccess in inspiring terrorists?
Its sad that people inspiring terrorists is some kind of success for you.
Filled out stadiums from memory. But because these Hindutuva clowns couldn't debate him, they created this whole drama.