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[VIDEOS] Why Indian Hindus hate Zakir Naik so profoundly?

cricketjoshila said:
Which stadium?

Why will any Hindu debate with any muslim?

Hindus don't need any certificate from anyone. Come down from that high horse. No hindu needs his endorsement.
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Well plenty came on his shows and asked questions And many found answers. Obviously they didn't like Hinduism
 
Bewal Express said:
But you claiming he is banned from here and there, so why not Qatar. Is it because Qatar has gas and lots of it and you guys can't do without it
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But why Qatar?

UK is a P5 member. PP is based in UK.

SL and BD are from the subcontinent region.

How does Qatar fit in? New hero for pakistanis?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Yes it can be.

Once it was USA. Then Saudi and UAE. Then China. Then turkey. Now seems it is Qatar.
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Whole world may ban him but expect Pakistanis to give him red carpet still.

Shinning light they said...well said
 
Rajdeep said:
Whole world may ban him but expect Pakistanis to give him red carpet still.

Shinning light they said...well said
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What is laughable is that these guys think Hindus needed to defeat him in debates and earn his endorsement.

Hindus hardly care about opinion of Muslims on religion. Almost every Hindu temple bans entry of Muslims. And you have clowns here thinking that Hindus cared about Zakir Naiks opinion.

The delusions of these guys.....
 
Bewal Express said:
So he didn't accuse Muslims of being infiltrators and don't say he was talking about illegals. It's called dog whistle politics. Yogi Adityanath well explain this

www.bbc.co.uk

Yogi Adityanath: 'Muslims did no favour to India by staying here'

Yogi Adityanath, a controversial ruling party politician, spoke to the BBC in a rare interview.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Explain to whom?

Infiltrators means from outside borders. So yes he was talking about illegal immigrants from BD and the Rohingyas.
 
Bewal Express said:
So he didn't accuse Muslims of being infiltrators and don't say he was talking about illegals. It's called dog whistle politics. Yogi Adityanath well explain this

www.bbc.co.uk

Yogi Adityanath: 'Muslims did no favour to India by staying here'

Yogi Adityanath, a controversial ruling party politician, spoke to the BBC in a rare interview.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Whistle politics happen in India from all sides, check speeches from Akbaruddin Owaisi or Stalin for example.

However, can you me some example which of Yogi Adityanath's speeches have cause riots in UP? LOL

This is a case of one should not open his mouth without knowledge. If anything, Yogi has made UP one of the better states in India after it was ruined by SP govt for years
 
Bewal Express said:
Ban him for what? Has his politics killed more than the BJP hate speeches. Modi alone killed 000s in Gujarat.
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You are getting riled up and not thinking before posting. I would suggest calm down and then respond.

Zakir Naik has been banned from 5 countries on the pretext of him being an extremist and his hateful speeches. This includes the country that you reside in. It is a fact...bring Modi and Yogi will not erase this fact.

Gujarat started bcoz Islamists burned town a train filled with hindu pilgrimes in Godhra. If muslims in India do it again in future, Hindus will retaliate again in similar fashion...Modi or no Modi.
 
cricketjoshila said:
What is laughable is that these guys think Hindus needed to defeat him in debates and earn his endorsement.

Hindus hardly care about opinion of Muslims on religion. Almost every Hindu temple bans entry of Muslims. And you have clowns here thinking that Hindus cared about Zakir Naiks opinion.

The delusions of these guys.....
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Most of these guys also lives in UK like @Cpt. Rishwat

From morning I am asking why UK has banned him, they are going in circles without answering it :uak
 
cricketjoshila said:
Explain to whom?

Infiltrators means from outside borders. So yes he was talking about illegal immigrants from BD and the Rohingyas.
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Rubbish. Only a dishonest person would read this as talking about illegals. Look at the whole of the BJP ideology and you see why it's rubbish. Modi is a member of the RSS and what do they believe in? The whole organisation believes Muslims forced the Hindus to convert Islam
 
uppercut said:
Forget about contradictions/inaccuracies for a moment and take a look at this very scientific, archeological, linguistic, geographic and logic based analysis of Islam. Its an hour long video but atleast look at the last part starting at the timestamp linked below ( ~45 minutes ) and you can play it at 1.5x speed to save time. BTW it has nothing to do with the usual approach taken by haters ( i.e. looking at problematic/controversial/erroneous verses )


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Once again for the benefit of the "My religion Is the one and only true religion and everything else is false ( hence) the word of God has been preserved unchanged for 1400 yrs " chest thumpers ... Watch that link 👆

It tells you amongst many things why the Quran has been edited Multiple times using scientific means and many other damming things.


@Cpt. Rishwat
@DeadlyVenom
@Technics 1210
@Justcrazy
@sweep_shot

Please watch that Video atleast the last chapter .. its not that long ... will take less than 15 mins at 1.5x speed.
 
Rajdeep said:
You are getting riled up and not thinking before posting. I would suggest calm down and then respond.

Zakir Naik has been banned from 5 countries on the pretext of him being an extremist and his hateful speeches. This includes the country that you reside in. It is a fact...bring Modi and Yogi will not erase this fact.

Gujarat started bcoz Islamists burned town a train filled with hindu pilgrimes in Godhra. If muslims in India do it again in future, Hindus will retaliate again in similar fashion...Modi or no Modi.
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But that is meaningless unless you actually provide examples. Did he say to people to kill minorities? What did he say that was extremist or hateful.
 
Rajdeep said:
Most of these guys also lives in UK like @Cpt. Rishwat

From morning I am asking why UK has banned him, they are going in circles without answering it :uak
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It's not on me to answer it though. It is you bringing it up, all that has been said so far was first that he was a terrorist, now that has been updated to extremist. That is very vague so not much to respond to.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Which stadium?

Why will any Hindu debate with any muslim?

Hindus don't need any certificate from anyone. Come down from that high horse. No hindu needs his endorsement.
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There you, end of thread, Hindus don’t need any certification 😂
 
Rajdeep said:
Most of these guys also lives in UK like @Cpt. Rishwat

From morning I am asking why UK has banned him, they are going in circles without answering it :uak
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Usually the UK bans people if you can get an article printed by the DM or DT. I dare say it was one or the other paper that had someone write an article, normally paid for by some right wing group
 
DeadlyVenom said:
You have said this a few times but apart from saying it haven't given any reasons why.

Why is it an issue to preach that your religion is a fact?
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Faith cannot be a fact.

facts are proven, when you cant prove something it wont be a fact and faith or religion can never be scientificcally proven.

Second thing is, you cannot go out around calling other peoples religion as false and your own as the truth. As again that creates disharmony
 
Bewal Express said:
Usually the UK bans people if you can get an article printed by the DM or DT. I dare say it was one or the other paper that had someone write an article, normally paid for by some right wing group
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Ah that right wing excuse. Anyway, read the below why he was banned in UK

www.bbc.co.uk

Indian preacher Zakir Naik is banned from UK

An Indian preacher has been banned from entering the UK for his "unacceptable behaviour", the home secretary says.
www.bbc.co.uk


An Indian Muslim preacher has been banned from entering the UK for his "unacceptable behaviour", the home secretary says.

Zakir Naik, a 44-year-old television preacher, had been due to give a series of lectures in London and Sheffield.

Theresa May said that visiting the UK was "a privilege, not a right".

The home secretary can stop people entering the UK if she believes there is a threat to national security, public order or the safety of citizens.

That includes banning people if she believes their views glorify terrorism, promote violence or encourage other serious crime.

However, somebody cannot be banned just for having opinions that other people would find offensive.

Ms May said: "Numerous comments made by Dr Naik are evidence to me of his unacceptable behaviour.
 
Bewal Express said:
Usually the UK bans people if you can get an article printed by the DM or DT. I dare say it was one or the other paper that had someone write an article, normally paid for by some right wing group
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Bro, you are claiming that UKs foreign policy is dictated by DT and DM?

Come on it doesnt work that way. The govt of developed countries always have different intelligence reports which they use when banning people
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
It's not on me to answer it though. It is you bringing it up, all that has been said so far was first that he was a terrorist, now that has been updated to extremist. That is very vague so not much to respond to.
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But you are in this thread actively participating in a discussion where why Indian Hindus hate Zakir Naik been discussed. So I would expect you to know or answer why was he banned in UK, the country where you live before pointing at Indians.
 
Justcrazy said:
If I am saying I am correct that by default means you are wrong.

If I say God is formless , that by default means Idols of God are false.

When I am saying that I am not placing a gun on others to believe me, they are free to question me regarding my believe , as I am free to question them.
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Freedom as its limits.

Would that freedom extend to the perspn who commits blasphemy or claim ur religion as false?
 
Rajdeep said:
Ah that right wing excuse. Anyway, read the below why he was banned in UK

www.bbc.co.uk

Indian preacher Zakir Naik is banned from UK

An Indian preacher has been banned from entering the UK for his "unacceptable behaviour", the home secretary says.
www.bbc.co.uk


An Indian Muslim preacher has been banned from entering the UK for his "unacceptable behaviour", the home secretary says.

Zakir Naik, a 44-year-old television preacher, had been due to give a series of lectures in London and Sheffield.

Theresa May said that visiting the UK was "a privilege, not a right".

The home secretary can stop people entering the UK if she believes there is a threat to national security, public order or the safety of citizens.

That includes banning people if she believes their views glorify terrorism, promote violence or encourage other serious crime.

However, somebody cannot be banned just for having opinions that other people would find offensive.

Ms May said: "Numerous comments made by Dr Naik are evidence to me of his unacceptable behaviour.
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No examples given here of what he said. So far we have had lots of discussion but no examples of what he said that is hateful
 
Rajdeep said:
But you are in this thread actively participating in a discussion where why Indian Hindus hate Zakir Naik been discussed. So I would expect you to know or answer why was he banned in UK, the country where you live before pointing at Indians.
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Stick to one thread, I am not going to respond to the same nonsense in multiple threads. First at least know yourself what the charge is and more importantly, why it has been made.
 
Major said:
Bro, you are claiming that UKs foreign policy is dictated by DT and DM?

Come on it doesnt work that way. The govt of developed countries always have different intelligence reports which they use when banning people
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Yes under the Tory party. Labour is more Guardian but trade Unions and other lefties have influence. The DM and DT are the Tory Bible along with Murdoch and his Zionists
 
uppercut said:
Once again for the benefit of the "My religion Is the one and only true religion and everything else is false ( hence) the word of God has been preserved unchanged for 1400 yrs " chest thumpers ... Watch that link 👆

It tells you amongst many things why the Quran has been edited Multiple times using scientific means and many other damming things.


@Cpt. Rishwat
@DeadlyVenom
@Technics 1210
@Justcrazy
@sweep_shot

Please watch that Video atleast the last chapter .. its not that long ... will take less than 15 mins at 1.5x speed.
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I've seen it. It's a good debate but the existence of different dialects is well known and the apparent meanings of the words that have the regional diversities is always consistent.
 
Bewal Express said:
No examples given here of what he said. So far we have had lots of discussion but no examples of what he said that is hateful
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What is the example you are looking for? UK studied Zakir Naik in details and realised that he is just a liar. Then home secretary Mrs May banned him on the pretext of him being an extremist and also banned his peace TV.

Do you have any example which Yogi Adityanath's speech cause riots in UP? LOL
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Stick to one thread, I am not going to respond to the same nonsense in multiple threads. First at least know yourself what the charge is and more importantly, why it has been made.
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Okay lets stick to this thread but pls answer us Why has UK banned the entry of Zakir Naik? It is the umpteenth time I am asking this simple question to you but you are using every excuse possible to answer it.

Don't hide behind words...just answer this simple question like a man. Lets see how good you are...eh :kp
 
So they banned him because he lied and they didn’t banned yogi because he never lied and never incite cow vigilante to lynch?

Hindutva never ceased to entertain.

😂
 
Rajdeep said:
Okay lets stick to this thread but pls answer us Why has UK banned the entry of Zakir Naik? It is the umpteenth time I am asking this simple question to you but you are using every excuse possible to answer it.

Don't hide behind words...just answer this simple question like a man. Lets see how good you are...eh :kp
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I don't know why they banned him. After reading this thread I still don't know why. Neither does anyone else it seems.
 
Rajdeep said:
What is the example you are looking for? UK studied Zakir Naik in details and realised that he is just a liar. Then home secretary Mrs May banned him on the pretext of him being an extremist and also banned his peace TV.

Do you have any example which Yogi Adityanath's speech cause riots in UP? LOL
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So you are saying that as HS banned him and that is good enough for you but neither the article you posted or any evidence you have provided has provided any evidence. But Your facist friend has been part of plan to kill Muslims in extra judicial killings


www.google.com

‘Shoot them’: Indian state police accused of murdering Muslims and Dalits

Ahead of key Uttar Pradesh elections, state police accused of being ‘mercenaries’ of hardline Hindu nationalist government
www.google.com www.google.com
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't know why they banned him. After reading this thread I still don't know why. Neither does anyone else it seems.
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That is bcoz this thread was opened to somehow portray only Indian Hindus hate Zakir Naik conveniently siding down the fact there are 5 other countries banned him on the pretext if hate speech. When this fact was brought into discussion, posters here who lives in UK going defensive and using every excuse to dodge that question. It is so easy to expose you guys man...haha :ROFLMAO:
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't know why they banned him. After reading this thread I still don't know why. Neither does anyone else it seems.
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We must take their word for it then he was spreading hate and remember that's the accusation is that he spread hate and encouraged terrorists . After pages and pages I have yet to see any evidence
 
Rajdeep said:
That is bcoz this thread was opened to somehow portray only Indian Hindus hate Zakir Naik conveniently siding down the fact there are 5 other countries banned him on the pretext if hate speech. When this fact was brought into discussion, posters here who lives in UK going defensive and using every excuse to dodge that question. It is so easy to expose you guys man...haha :ROFLMAO:
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They banned him because of pressure from you guys. Recently the UK banned some weapons exports to Israel and straight away the Americans put pressure on Starmer not to do it
 
Bewal Express said:
So you are saying that as HS banned him and that is good enough for you but neither the article you posted or any evidence you have provided has provided any evidence. But Your facist friend has been part of plan to kill Muslims in extra judicial killings


www.google.com

‘Shoot them’: Indian state police accused of murdering Muslims and Dalits

Ahead of key Uttar Pradesh elections, state police accused of being ‘mercenaries’ of hardline Hindu nationalist government
www.google.com www.google.com
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I am sure if I dig more into google I can find specifics of his actual statement on the pretext of which he was banned. However, if a person gets banned to enter into 5 separate countries, there must be some merit behind it. For a mature poster like you asking juvenile questions is surprising.

Lets discuss Yogi's speech in other relevant thread.
 
Bewal Express said:
They banned him because of pressure from you guys. Recently the UK banned some weapons exports to Israel and straight away the Americans put pressure on Starmer not to do it
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He was banned way back in 2010 by Theresa May when India had congress govt. So you are saying UK banned him due to pressure from us, is it? :ROFLMAO:

Why 4 other countries like BD, Canada, SL etc banned him then? That too bcoz pressure from India, is it?

Yes yes...all those countries banned this extremist due to pressure from India but Mr Naik is a peace loving guy (no pun intended)

:rabada2
 
Rajdeep said:
I am sure if I dig more into google I can find specifics of his actual statement on the pretext of which he was banned. However, if a person gets banned to enter into 5 separate countries, there must be some merit behind it. For a mature poster like you asking juvenile questions is surprising.

Lets discuss Yogi's speech in other relevant thread.
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You won’t have to dig more into Google, just type, why modi was banned, and instantly you’ll get an answer. 😉😂
 
HalBass9 said:
You won’t have to dig more into Google, just type, why modi was banned, and instantly you’ll get an answer. 😉😂
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Come back when you know how to debate among mature posters, will wait.
 
Rajdeep said:
Come back when you know how to debate among mature posters, will wait.
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Justcrazy said:
If I am saying I am correct that by default means you are wrong.

If I say God is formless , that by default means Idols of God are false.

When I am saying that I am not placing a gun on others to believe me, they are free to question me regarding my believe , as I am free to question them.
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You are free to believe in your religion. Thats your right.

You have no right to question anyone's else.
 
Rajdeep said:
Come back when you know how to debate among mature posters, will wait.
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If you were mature debater then you would have had the answer ready as to why he was banned, not reply with, “I’ll dig more into Google”.

You are just desparate to be “right” but haven’t figured out yet, how to be. Its not your fault, its the fault of your cult leaders.

Mate 😉
 
Major said:
Freedom as its limits.

Would that freedom extend to the perspn who commits blasphemy or claim ur religion as false?
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Blaspheme is a different thing altogether.

If I did not believe others to be false , I would not be believing in my own religion.
 
uppercut said:
Once again for the benefit of the "My religion Is the one and only true religion and everything else is false ( hence) the word of God has been preserved unchanged for 1400 yrs " chest thumpers ... Watch that link 👆

It tells you amongst many things why the Quran has been edited Multiple times using scientific means and many other damming things.


@Cpt. Rishwat
@DeadlyVenom
@Technics 1210
@Justcrazy
@sweep_shot

Please watch that Video atleast the last chapter .. its not that long ... will take less than 15 mins at 1.5x speed.
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Brother , unless you tell me your belief system , it is pointless to reply. Replies are based upon what is truth according to your parameters. Suppose your are a hindu , then if I speak from Bible , that is pointless because you do not believe in that.
 
Rajdeep said:
I am sure if I dig more into google I can find specifics of his actual statement on the pretext of which he was banned. However, if a person gets banned to enter into 5 separate countries, there must be some merit behind it. For a mature poster like you asking juvenile questions is surprising.

Lets discuss Yogi's speech in other relevant thread.
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So the crux of the matter is that you have not heard Zakir Naik extremist views yourself anywhere , but believe that he is a criminal?
 
looking at the response regarding Zakir naiks lack of popularity amongst the Hindutwa, one has to wonder if our hindutwa friends will ever recover from xut hurt. Zakir Saab must-have been the Pied piper when it came to converting .
 
HalBass9 said:
If you were mature debater then you would have had the answer ready as to why he was banned, not reply with, “I’ll dig more into Google”.

You are just desparate to be “right” but haven’t figured out yet, how to be. Its not your fault, its the fault of your cult leaders.

Mate 😉
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That's why I said, come back when you know how to debate or grasp the context on which it was being said. I have said that Zakir Naik is banned in 5 separate countries including in UK on the pretext of hate speech and luring people for religious conversion. It is a fact and I am not making it up. The poster then asked me to give specific examples of his speeches which obviously I need to google. My job is not keep a track on every speech by him, isn't it?

You are jumping into an argument without knowing the context.
 
Rajdeep said:
Who is saying Palestanians are not defending themselves? Iran with its proxies are continuously attacking Israel on behalf of Palestine. They are aggressors and that is why most western world (where you live) sides with Israel.

Minorities are flourishing in India under Modi. Why will I condemn it?

Do you not see how many muslim players play for India? Siraj Bhai, Shami Bhai, Sarfraz Bhai etc etc. Do you not remember how Javed Akhtar schooled Pakistani journalist about 26/11 when he travelled there? Does any of these suggest that minorities are supressed in India? It is a figment of imagination among Islamists who themselves don't give any right to minorities viz a viz what is happening in present Bangladesh.

When was the last time any hindu or christian or sikh cricketer played for India? Do you condemn?
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Javed Akhtar is not a Muslim.
 
Justcrazy said:
Brother , unless you tell me your belief system , it is pointless to reply. Replies are based upon what is truth according to your parameters. Suppose your are a hindu , then if I speak from Bible , that is pointless because you do not believe in that.
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There is no one single absolute truth. Every religion has pros and cons. thats my belief in a nutshell. Now how does my belief matter when the question is about YOUR belief that you are adamant that it is the ONE AND ONLY ONE TRUE RELIGION and that you can actually prove it. So why are you hesitant to watch that video that squarely challenges your beliefs ?

And you dont need to use what other religions have to say to defend your religion
 
Rajdeep said:
That's why I said, come back when you know how to debate or grasp the context on which it was being said. I have said that Zakir Naik is banned in 5 separate countries including in UK on the pretext of hate speech and luring people for religious conversion. It is a fact and I am not making it up. The poster then asked me to give specific examples of his speeches which obviously I need to google. My job is not keep a track on every speech by him, isn't it?

You are jumping into an argument without knowing the context.
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lol, context changed when you weren’t able to provide the specific.

Do keep up, you are the one debating, I’m just an audience, questioning your claim 😉
 
uppercut said:
There is no one single absolute truth. Every religion has pros and cons. thats my belief in a nutshell. Now how does my belief matter when the question is about YOUR belief that you are adamant that it is the ONE AND ONLY ONE TRUE RELIGION and that you can actually prove it. So why are you hesitant to watch that video that squarely challenges your beliefs ?

And you dont need to use what other religions have to say to defend your religion
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So many contradiction in this comment.

My boy is adamant to prove Islam wrong but yet come up with this gem 😂
 
HalBass9 said:
lol, context changed when you weren’t able to provide the specific.

Do keep up, you are the one debating, I’m just an audience, questioning your claim 😉
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Trust me I have not changed any context...as an audience you should watch and understand the entire show before asking silly questions. Have you got your answer now or you want me to guide you more? :inti
 
Rajdeep said:
That is bcoz this thread was opened to somehow portray only Indian Hindus hate Zakir Naik conveniently siding down the fact there are 5 other countries banned him on the pretext if hate speech. When this fact was brought into discussion, posters here who lives in UK going defensive and using every excuse to dodge that question. It is so easy to expose you guys man...haha :ROFLMAO:
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But I didn't dodge that question. I said I didn't know why he was banned and it seems like you guys don't know either. I am assuming you are asking me because you don't know.

I would imagine Indian hindutvas hate him because he successfully converted thousands of Hindus to Islam, that too from being a former Hindu himself. I distinguish between hindutvas and Hindus here because I don't think all Hindus are hindutvas.
 
Rajdeep said:
Trust me I have not changed any context...as an audience you should watch and understand the entire show before asking silly questions. Have you got your answer now or you want me to guide you more? :inti
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You can’t change the context because you have nothing more than, “ he is a terrorist because my cult leader said so”.
 
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HalBass9 said:
You can’t change the context because you have nothing more than, “ he is a terrorist because my cult leader said so”.
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But I have never said this and simply made up by you.

All I said was what is in public domain i.e Zakir Naik is banned entering into 5 countries on the pretext of hate speech and him luring people for religious conversion. This is a fact and not made up story by me or any Indian here. You guys are losing your mind hearing this inconvenient truth and bringing up Modi, Yogi, Qatar, Hindutva, Tory Party everything and throwing toys out of pram. It is hilarious to watch but these mental gymnastic will change the truth.
 
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DeadlyVenom said:
I've seen it. It's a good debate but the existence of different dialects is well known and the apparent meanings of the words that have the regional diversities is always consistent.
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No it is not. The meaning completely changes. Watch that video again. I have linked the timestamped link from ~45 mins into the link to save you time. Keep in mind the stringent criteria that not a single character in the quran has changed ( as per the hardcore believers right here in this thread ).
 
Rajdeep said:
But I have never said this and simply made up by you. Now tell me was I wrong in saying you need to learn the art of debating maturely in internet rather than coming across as juvenile.

All I said was what is in public domain i.e Zakir This is a fact and not made up story by me or anyNaik is banned entering into 5 countries on the pretext of hate speech and him luring people for religious conversion. Indian here. You guys are losing your mind hearing this inconvenient truth and bringing up Modi, Yogi, Qatar, Hindutva, Tory Party everything and throwing toys out of pram. It is hilarious to watch but these mental gymnastic will change the truth.
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Lol. I think there is the answer to the OP question right there. :LOL:
 
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