[VIDEOS] Why Indian Hindus hate Zakir Naik so profoundly?

[anikrc1]

Seeing that Islamic belief is god is all powerful, everlasting and all- knowing I present 3 arguments:
Can God make a stone which he can't lift?
If he can't by virtue of not being able to create that stone he is not all-powerful. If he can by virtue of not being able to lift that stone he is not all powerful.
Can he commit suicide?
If he can't he is not all powerful. If he can he is not everlasting.
Let X be the set of all things God knows. Let P(X) be the power set of X. As there can't be an onto function from X to P(X) God can't know all elements of P(X). Hence, he is not all-knowing.
Now please debate this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You and I both know the reason for the newly found love of Pakistanis for Zakir Naik.

Dushman ka dushman dost hota hain.

That's not the only reason. ZN hates Hindus. They think ZNs tinpot interpretation of Hindu scriptures is correct and that's why he was banned.

 

[Hitman]

That's not the only reason. ZN hates Hindus. They think ZNs tinpot interpretation of Hindu scriptures is correct and that's why he was banned.

Any legal implications Muslims face in India is because the whole of India, including the judiciary, is anti Muslim. Muslims in India can never be guilty of any crime. Remember the crocodile tears from the Muslims of the subcontinent when Afzal Guru and Yakub Memon were hanged for their crimes?​

 

[cricketjoshila]

Any legal implications Muslims face in India is because the whole of India, including the judiciary, is anti Muslim. Muslims in India can never be guilty of any crime. Remember the crocodile tears from the Muslims of the subcontinent when Afzal Guru and Yakub Memon were hanged for their crimes?​

When you believe that it's your right to question the faith and belief of others, you are inviting trouble.

Btw Muslim majority nations don't allow anyone to question Islam and apostasy is probably punishable by death.

 

[Technics 1210]

Seeing that Islamic belief is god is all powerful, everlasting and all- knowing I present 3 arguments:
Can God make a stone which he can't lift?
If he can't by virtue of not being able to create that stone he is not all-powerful. If he can by virtue of not being able to lift that stone he is not all powerful.
Can he commit suicide?
If he can't he is not all powerful. If he can he is not everlasting.
Let X be the set of all things God knows. Let P(X) be the power set of X. As there can't be an onto function from X to P(X) God can't know all elements of P(X). Hence, he is not all-knowing.
Now please debate this.

Christianity and Judaism also believe god is all powerful, everlasting and all knowing, hence why these religions also denounce and ridicule Polytheism and idol worshipping religions like Hinduism.

Get your facts right first then debate - Indian Hindutva trolls will never learn; when you criticise Islam, you are more than often criticising Christianity and Judaism too - read up Abrahamic faiths.

 

[anikrc1]

Christianity and Judaism also believe god is all powerful, everlasting and all knowing, hence why these religions also denounce and ridicule Polytheism and idol worshipping religions like Hinduism.

Get your facts right first then debate - Indian Hindutva trolls will never learn; when you criticise Islam, you are more than often criticising Christianity and Judaism too - read up Abrahamic faiths.

And ?

 

[Technics 1210]

For me, we need more Zakir Naiks. I don't agree with what he says or the way he debates, but man, if it takes one Indian Muslim to rile up the Hindutva majority in their 100Ms, and from their own backyard, then yes, more ZNs just serve to expose the realities of India, and of course Hindutva.

The more hate ZN receives, the greater his mission, and the fact Hindutva keyboard warriors rather vent their frustration and anger online (as opposed to upfront) is music to my ears, and the world's ears!

It is literally a case of sticks and stones.

 

[Stewie]

here is the very 1st sentence from your own resource:

Beginning with Muhammad’s forceful consolidation of Arabia in 631 CE, the Rashidun and Umayyad Caliphates completed a series of conquests that would later become a hallmark of the early Islamic empire

Isn't this exactly what I told you ?

If you think a single line in a scholarly paper is capturing the gist of it, you obviously don't practice what you preach. You like to tell others to READ maybe its time you yourself put that into practice and read that paper. It will open your eyes.

 

[Stewie]

For me, we need more Zakir Naiks. I don't agree with what he says or the way he debates, but man, if it takes one Indian Muslim to rile up the Hindutva majority in their 100Ms, and from their own backyard, then yes, more ZNs just serve to expose the realities of India, and of course Hindutva.

The more hate ZN receives, the greater his mission, and the fact Hindutva keyboard warriors rather vent their frustration and anger online (as opposed to upfront) is music to my ears, and the world's ears!

It is literally a case of sticks and stones.

ye sara Joshilapun ZN ki waja se paida hua hai. You are right

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This guy is a shameless tight wad.

 

[RexRex]

State guests shouldn't be paying excess baggage fees, is Pakistan really that broke ?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

State guests shouldn't be paying excess baggage fees, is Pakistan really that broke ?

I guess now the tables will turn and it's time for Pakistanis to call him a liar and put him down and Indians will commend him for exposing the reality of Pakistan

 

[Red-Indian]

State guests shouldn't be paying excess baggage fees, is Pakistan really that broke ?

300Kgs excess dude. What the hell was he carrying?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

300Kgs excess dude. What the hell was he carrying?

Perhaps books/literature to sell at events

 

[Red-Indian]

Perhaps books/literature to sell at events

Maybe you're right. I just tend to assume the worst of these slimy preacher types.

 

[Local.Dada]

Well don’t Pak customs or whoever took the call.

Shame on that foolish officer in India who didn’t fine him.

Taking inspiration as a neutral American will call spade a spade.

 

[Justcrazy]

It doesn't concern me what you believe. But you cannot call my beliefs false. Thats not your right.

As I said earlier there are millions across the world who do not agree with you , I am not the only one.

 

[Justcrazy]

Ravishankar didn't debate Zakir Naik. He was just part of a program which was attended by Zakir Naik.

And he doesn't need to do anything. Zakir Naiks views on Sanatan hold no significance.

Ravi shankar did debate , there was proper question answer session as well.

If Naik views were insignificant , that was the right time to expose him.

 

[Justcrazy]

Seeing that Islamic belief is god is all powerful, everlasting and all- knowing I present 3 arguments:
Can God make a stone which he can't lift?
If he can't by virtue of not being able to create that stone he is not all-powerful. If he can by virtue of not being able to lift that stone he is not all powerful.
Can he commit suicide?
If he can't he is not all powerful. If he can he is not everlasting.
Let X be the set of all things God knows. Let P(X) be the power set of X. As there can't be an onto function from X to P(X) God can't know all elements of P(X). Hence, he is not all-knowing.
Now please debate this.

Look this thread is about Zakir Naik , its not right for users who come here and see these things being discussed.

Its better that you make a separate thread , and ask your questions. There it would be answered.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As I said earlier there are millions across the world who do not agree with you , I am not the only one.

Again, millions or anyone doesn't have the right to call my religion false.

That's the basic courtesy of coexistence with another religion.

If you don't do that don't complain when others make cartoons or say things about your religion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ravi shankar did debate , there was proper question answer session as well.

If Naik views were insignificant , that was the right time to expose him.

Why will anyone bother exposing a him? His views don't mean anything to Hindus.

Unless he starts making offensive remarks, in which case he will be facing jail.

In Sanatan i don't need to convince anyone from another religion about Sanatan. Because there is no conversion here.

Those who need to convert others need to debate threaten do all sorts of things to get people to convert.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I guess now the tables will turn and it's time for Pakistanis to call him a liar and put him down and Indians will commend him for exposing the reality of Pakistan

He is third class person. Pakistanis should have charged him in full.

 

[Justcrazy]

Again, millions or anyone doesn't have the right to call my religion false.

That's the basic courtesy of coexistence with another religion.

If you don't do that don't complain when others make cartoons or say things about your religion.

Did I make cartoons of Hindu deities ? When you are on a social media you will hear things against your believe , if you think they are wrong , refute them.

The same about Islam , you are free to criticize it with evidence , Muslims will answer them.

 

[Justcrazy]

Why will anyone bother exposing a him? His views don't mean anything to Hindus.

Unless he starts making offensive remarks, in which case he will be facing jail.

In Sanatan i don't need to convince anyone from another religion about Sanatan. Because there is no conversion here.

Those who need to convert others need to debate threaten do all sorts of things to get people to convert.

Can you show me where did he make offensive remarks ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Did I make cartoons of Hindu deities ? When you are on a social media you will hear things against your believe , if you think they are wrong , refute them.

The same about Islam , you are free to criticize it with evidence , Muslims will answer them.

Again, calling my religion false is worse than some cartoon.

Social media says a lot of things, people hiding behind anonymous IDs.

I don't insult religions. That's the basic teaching of my religion. Respect god in all his forms by all his names.

Regards to Muslims answering, we all saw that to Salman Rushdie or Charlie Hebdo.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Can you show me where did he make offensive remarks ?

Read my post again.

 

[Justcrazy]

Again, calling my religion false is worse than some cartoon.

Social media says a lot of things, people hiding behind anonymous IDs.

I don't insult religions. That's the basic teaching of my religion. Respect god in all his forms by all his names.

Regards to Muslims answering, we all saw that to Salman Rushdie or Charlie Hebdo.

If that is the case, you will have to banned the shahad from all the countries, because it clearly says apart from Allah, there is NO other God.

What happened to Salman Rushdie? Rushdie is not the first person to have written against Islam , there are thousands before him, and there will be thousands after him, its not the books that you write, but substance in that which matters.

For example, several comments here against Naik being encouraging violence and terrorism, no evidence yet now. Just opinions.

 

[ChennaiFan]

First time I hear about this guy. Anyways, I am not interested in knowing what he says about hinduism or another religion.
People who read other religions through the tainted lens of their own religion will often make mistakes and understand them wrongly. With that shallow knowledge they go and preach BS

Generally, if one is confident of their own religion, they wouldn't resort to maligning others. It is when they have doubt or unsecured about their own, they want to reinforce their identity and start talking badly about other religions. This insecurity leads to intolerance.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If that is the case, you will have to banned the shahad from all the countries, because it clearly says apart from Allah, there is NO other God.

What happened to Salman Rushdie? Rushdie is not the first person to have written against Islam , there are thousands before him, and there will be thousands after him, its not the books that you write , but substance in that which matters.

For example, several comments here against Naik being encouraging violence and terrorism, no evidence yet now. Just opinions.

The Muslims recite shahada not the non Muslims.

Problem will be if a Muslim comes and tells me that my religion is false, that idol worshipping is a sin.

You don't know what happened to Rushdie? You don't know what happened at Charlie Hebdo?

Its not opinion. Governments other than India has banned him.

Two governments linked his speeches to terrorist attacks, saying he inspired those terrorists.

 

[HalBass9]

Like Zakir Naik and his followers.

Exactly, Just as Modi and Yogi followers.

 

[HalBass9]

The Muslims recite shahada not the non Muslims.

Problem will be if a Muslim comes and tells me that my religion is false, that idol worshipping is a sin.

You don't know what happened to Rushdie? You don't know what happened at Charlie Hebdo?

Its not opinion. Governments other than India has banned him.

Two governments linked his speeches to terrorist attacks, saying he inspired those terrorists.

It is a problem if you are intolerant. Majority of Hindutva from time and time again have shown that they are.

 

[Major]

Meanwhile zakir naik is complaining about that why his 600+ kg of excessive baggage not allowed free of charge. He even tried calling the CEO of pia..

Criminals and their criminal mind set.

He than goes on to say that in India this wouĺd had never happened with him and non muslims themselves would had given him a free pass and expects better from Pakistan cause we are muslim country and he is The zakir naik.

His words

I think someone needs to tell him that he is a fugitive in India.

But oh wait, you can only hate him if you are a hindu i guess

 

[Major]

It is a problem if you are intolerant. Majority of Hindutva from time and time again have shown that they are.

So someone calling his religion as false is ok,but him having a problem with it makes him intolerant?

Again, this is the same false sense of superiority complex that many muslims live with

 

[Major]

First time I hear about this guy. Anyways, I am not interested in knowing what he says about hinduism or another religion.
People who read other religions through the tainted lens of their own religion will often make mistakes and understand them wrongly. With that shallow knowledge they go and preach BS

Generally, if one is confident of their own religion, they wouldn't resort to maligning others. It is when they have doubt or unsecured about their own, they want to reinforce their identity and start talking badly about other religions. This insecurity leads to intolerance.

Na its not insecurity.

Alot of religions when they came about, most of the context is in that religion is towaŕds those social times and what was acceptable and not acceptable at that time.

Society evolves overtime but religious people fail to comprehend that.

 

[HalBass9]

So someone calling his religion as false is ok,but him having a problem with it makes him intolerant?

Again, this is the same false sense of superiority complex that many muslims live with

Yea! Pretty much, it’s religion. Anyone acting violently and adapting laws to prevent people from expressing their opinion is intolerance.

 

[Major]

Yea! Pretty much, it’s religion. Anyone acting violently and adapting laws to prevent people from expressing their opinion is intolerance.

So if someone calls a muslim a non believer in pakistan and call islam a false religion, you will hold same opinion?

 

[uppercut]

If you think a single line in a scholarly paper is capturing the gist of it, you obviously don't practice what you preach. You like to tell others to READ maybe its time you yourself put that into practice and read that paper. It will open your eyes.

Not just a single line ( But it is the most important one considering that there is the concept of Sunnah ). But lookup these terms referenced in that article you posted to support your claim ... i.e.: jizya, dhimmi and especially Shurut Umar and tell us what they really are all about. Let me know if you want to dive deeper.

Moreover there is the very inconvenient circumstancial evidence that -- Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians and Paagans were systematically either driven out, forced to convert or worse killed in vast swaths of territories in the middle-east -- sits squarely against your claim that there was no compulsion.​

while some degree of tolerance might have existed , it was highly conditional and subject to political and religious objectives, especially as the empire expanded. But it was invariably short lived and sooner or later the non-muslims had to either convert, be killed or evacuate. Here are some prominent examples:

1. Expulsion of Jews and Christians by Caliph Umar based on the directive of Muhammad
2. The Massacre of the Banu Qurayza (627 AD) -- 100s of Jews were executed and their women taken as slaves even after surrender
3. The treatment of polytheists - Polytheism was pretty much banned and all of their idols broken. No exceptions

ALL of these events happened before 632AD ... so yeah I stand by what I said.

 

[uppercut]

It is a problem if you are intolerant. Majority of Hindutva from time and time again have shown that they are.

You should also include the number of times you have tried to peddle that and got owned over here as atleast fineprint.

 

[HalBass9]

You should also include the number of times you have tried to peddle that and got owned over here as atleast fineprint.

Owned by you?

Oh, brother, what’s your conversion target for today? Got a daily quota of Muslims you plan to drag back to Hinduism? Or is this just your way of sleeping better at night, soothing that guilt over, you know, a tiny thing like genocide?

And please, spare me the fine print. You’ve made it crystal clear, apparently, it’s open season on Muslims because, hey, they’re just “converts,” right? So anyone from any religion can just take a swing at them, no problem!

Let’s not confuse things here. You’re busy tearing down Islam, while I’m just here calling out Hindutva’s charming little hobby of supporting genocide. See the difference? So yeah, don’t get it twisted

 

[HalBass9]

So if someone calls a muslim a non believer in pakistan and call islam a false religion, you will hold same opinion?

I specifically wrote “religion”.

 

[uppercut]

Owned by you?

and pretty much everyone in town. You feel like one more ? Go for it ... I will guarantee you this upfront: that you will quietly disappear from the thread once you find yourself on the mat. Because the facts are squarely in my favor on these Hindu-Muslim topics.

Oh, brother, what’s your conversion target for today? Got a daily quota of Muslims you plan to drag back to Hinduism? Or is this just your way of sleeping better at night, soothing that guilt over, you know, a tiny thing like genocide?

There is no such thing as proselytization in my religion so the joke is entirely on you considering the horrific track record of your co-coreligionists on these topics.

And please, spare me the fine print. You’ve made it crystal clear, apparently, it’s open season on Muslims because, hey, they’re just “converts,” right? So anyone from any religion can just take a swing at them, no problem!

yeah such a peacefull cudly community ... I mean they never harmed anyone never hurt a fly I wonder why EVERY major religion in the world has a conflict with them. I wonder why !

 

[HalBass9]

and pretty much everyone in town. You feel like one more ? Go for it ... I will guarantee you this upfront: that you will quietly disappear from the thread once you find yourself on the mat. Because the facts are squarely in my favor on these Hindu-Muslim topics. You got diddly squat on your side. Your one and only one trick is to shout, shout louder, gather your minnions and shout more louder to distract divert, deflect and then run away. On a strictly moderated one-on-one highly facts and logic based proper debate you stand no chance whatsoever.




There is no such thing as proselytization in my religion so the joke is entirely on you considering the horrific track record of your co-coreligionists on these topics.





yeah such a peacefull cudly community ... I mean they never harmed anyone never hurt a fly I wonder why EVERY major religion in the world has a conflict with them. I wonder why !




Again don't forget the sequence of events. do you want to re-take that class again? ( its still free )

Enjoy

 

[ChennaiFan]

Na its not insecurity.

Alot of religions when they came about, most of the context is in that religion is towaŕds those social times and what was acceptable and not acceptable at that time.

Society evolves overtime but religious people fail to comprehend that.

Interesting perspective and I see your point. I agree, the rigidity with old rules/customs is one of the causes of the problems arising out of religions.

Religions are for the people and not the other way around.

 

[uppercut]

Enjoy

Exactly!

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic and no personal remarks.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is a problem if you are intolerant. Majority of Hindutva from time and time again have shown that they are.

Its a problem when Muslims think they have the right to insult another religion and if not given such a right, its intolerance.

The world has seen the tolerance of Muslims.

 

[anikrc1]

Look this thread is about Zakir Naik , its not right for users who come here and see these things being discussed.

Its better that you make a separate thread , and ask your questions. There it would be answered.

Would you

Look this thread is about Zakir Naik , its not right for users who come here and see these things being discussed.

Its better that you make a separate thread , and ask your questions. There it would be answered.

I tried to make a separate thread but the mods deleted it. If you want you can answer here.

 

[Rajdeep]

Minorities are supressed in India according to @aboveandbeyond and @HalBass9

Proper humiliation for some here

Offtopic, after this video my opinion for Zakir Naik increased. I think I was wrong about him but now I think I like him

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Its a problem when Muslims think they have the right to insult another religion and if not given such a right, its intolerance.

The world has seen the tolerance of Muslims.

Muslims are not tolerant to insults to their holy figures and never have been. If other religions are tolerant of insults to their religions then that is up to them, Muslims can't tell them how to defend their own beliefs.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The same great man who is banned in UK, the country you live

He is an extremist with 5 countries banned his entry. Only people with certain mindset find him great man.

Modi was also banned for extremism & his role in Gujrat massacre. Naik isn’t involved in any massacres of people.

Naik showed ignored Hindus , even in their own scriptures idol , statue , stone worship is wrong . Hindus should be praising him for teaching them what their own parents didn’t

 

[The Bald Eagle]

But but Modi is a saint

Modi was also banned for extremism & his role in Gujrat massacre. Naik isn’t involved in any massacres of people.

Naik showed ignored Hindus , even in their own scriptures idol , statue , stone worship is wrong . Hindus should be praising him for teaching them what their own parents didn’t

 

[KingKhanWC]

Which stadium?

Why will any Hindu debate with any muslim?

Hindus don't need any certificate from anyone. Come down from that high horse. No hindu needs his endorsement.

Naik is helping Hindus to get away from backward practices which are not in Hindu texts .

Zaik knows Hindu scripture better than modi , yogi & most Hindus . Learn from him .

 

[Local.Dada]

Naik is helping Hindus to get away from backward practices which are not in Hindu texts .

Zaik knows Hindu scripture better than modi , yogi & most Hindus . Learn from him .

Stop worrying about Hindus: since you seem to be in love with Zakir Naik, I would suggest make kids you care about in your friends/ family listen to his lectures all the time. Lead the way.

We already threw this garbage out. It has nothing to do with his religion, just that he was garbage.

 

[HalBass9]

Its a problem when Muslims think they have the right to insult another religion and if not given such a right, its intolerance.

The world has seen the tolerance of Muslims.

Everyone has a right to their opinion and if you can’t tolerate that right then build a wall around you.

Don’t confuse Hindu and Hindutva. Hindutva are insulted and Hindus are questioned.

 

[Local.Dada]

This might go over the head of most posters but throwing Zakir Naik out of India has more benefits to the Muslim youth than the Hindu youth. There is a reason why he is banned by even some Islamic countries and a lot of sensible Muslims don’t seem to like him.

Even here you can see either some Brit Pakistanis who are de sensitized to even more rabid preachers or lowest common denominator liking him. Even some educated posters or sensible ones despite their anti-India rhetoric are seeing him for what he is which is not surprising and good to see.

 

[Stewie]

Not just a single line ( But it is the most important one considering that there is the concept of Sunnah ). But lookup these terms referenced in that article you posted to support your claim ... i.e.: jizya, dhimmi and especially Shurut Umar and tell us what they really are all about. Let me know if you want to dive deeper.

Moreover there is the very inconvenient circumstancial evidence that -- Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians and Paagans were systematically either driven out, forced to convert or worse killed in vast swaths of territories in the middle-east -- sits squarely against your claim that there was no compulsion.​

while some degree of tolerance might have existed , it was highly conditional and subject to political and religious objectives, especially as the empire expanded. But it was invariably short lived and sooner or later the non-muslims had to either convert, be killed or evacuate. Here are some prominent examples:

1. Expulsion of Jews and Christians by Caliph Umar based on the directive of Muhammad
2. The Massacre of the Banu Qurayza (627 AD) -- 100s of Jews were executed and their women taken as slaves even after surrender
3. The treatment of polytheists - Polytheism was pretty much banned and all of their idols broken. No exceptions

ALL of these events happened before 632AD ... so yeah I stand by what I said.

You did not read carefully enough. Muslims were subjected to the same treatment Jews and Muslims have faced from Christians and Jews respectively. Muslims were being driven out and hunted. The Jews had reneged on agreements and promises and allied with the enemy and for that Muslims considered them enemies and waged war against them. None of this is exactly out of the ordinary by the 6th and 7th century standards. I m sure you are crying yourself hoarse over them because of your modern day sensitivities but history books will show you that is how matters were conducted back then.

Actually, they still are in this day and age. USA dragged all its allies into its war "of" terror and they even told Pakistani leadership, either you are with us or against us, there by leaving no choice.

Pretty much all the instances you have quoted were Muslims acting upon a survival instinct, taking charge of their own territory from where they had been driven out to Medina because of their faith. If they had been accorded the same rights and protections that Muslims offer minorities, and not been hunted, etc, they would not have gone on such an offensive.

You can read up more on the history OF THAT TIME. I think the Muslim state became conquering and expanding much after that time.

 

[Red-Indian]

Stop worrying about Hindus: since you seem to be in love with Zakir Naik, I would suggest make kids you care about in your friends/ family listen to his lectures all the time. Lead the way.

We already threw this garbage out. It has nothing to do with his religion, just that he was garbage.

He's not thrown out by any means. He's welcome back in India if he loves the country and people so much.

Of course he has a few charges to face but given he's able to pay extra flight tickets just to ship some weight, I don't think he should have a problem hiring top lawyers and trusting the judicial system.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He's not thrown out by any means. He's welcome back in India if he loves the country and people so much.

Of course he has a few charges to face but given he's able to pay extra flight tickets just to ship some weight, I don't think he should have a problem hiring top lawyers and trusting the judicial system.

Far easier to be a grifter outside than face the music in India.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This might go over the head of most posters but throwing Zakir Naik out of India has more benefits to the Muslim youth than the Hindu youth. There is a reason why he is banned by even some Islamic countries and a lot of sensible Muslims don’t seem to like him.

Even here you can see either some Brit Pakistanis who are de sensitized to even more rabid preachers or lowest common denominator liking him. Even some educated posters or sensible ones despite their anti-India rhetoric are seeing him for what he is which is not surprising and good to see.

What you fail to understand is that "Brit Pakistanis" asking why he was banned is not an endorsement of Naik. Most are just genuinely curious as to why Indians on here hate him so much.

 

[Local.Dada]

What you fail to understand is that "Brit Pakistanis" asking why he was banned is not an endorsement of Naik. Most are just genuinely curious as to why Indians on here hate him so much.

Why are you asking Indians. You should as your govt first who banned him and then check with India. I am sure it’s easy to get info on govt decisions in a progressive country like UK.

 

[anikrc1]

Everyone has a right to their opinion and if you can’t tolerate that right then build a wall around you.

Don’t confuse Hindu and Hindutva. Hindutva are insulted and Hindus are questioned.

As they say, charity starts from home. Perhaps Pakistan should abolish the blasphemy law and stop the ban on Satanic Verses and show the way.

 

[HalBass9]

As they say, charity starts from home. Perhaps Pakistan should abolish the blasphemy law and stop the ban on Satanic Verses and show the way.

100% agree.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why are you asking Indians. You should as your govt first who banned him and then check with India. I am sure it’s easy to get info on govt decisions in a progressive country like UK.

Because it was never that important to us. It is you guys who keep telling us he has been banned in 5 countries for reasons even you don't seem clear on.

 

[Red-Indian]

Far easier to be a grifter outside than face the music in India.

To be honest, I don't think it would be a big deal for him to return fight the cases in India. He's a bit extra-annoying because of the size of his fan following but there's heaps of preachers - Hindu and Muslim who've said worse and are working their way through the extreee...eemly slow Indian judicial system.

But maybe like you said, he prefers the comforts of Malaysia.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

To be honest, I don't think it would be a big deal for him to return fight the cases in India. He's a bit extra-annoying because of the size of his fan following but there's heaps of preachers - Hindu and Muslim who've said worse and are working their way through the extreee...eemly slow Indian judicial system.

But maybe like you said, he prefers the comforts of Malaysia.

I think he has some sort of money laundering case on him.

Imo there is obviously a bit of religious hostility towards him but he's hyping that up a bit. The real issue is the $$$$$ and the properties. I think he is guilty.

 

[Red-Indian]

I think he has some sort of money laundering case on him.

Imo there is obviously a bit of religious hostility towards him but he's hyping that up a bit. The real issue is the $$$$$ and the properties. I think he is guilty.

Unfortunately money laundering cases have become the weapon of choice under the Modi administration to shut up voice they don't like. Often all a money laundering case really means is that the accused was getting money from abroad. Amnesty was hit hard under similar laws just because they were being funded from abroad.

I have no idea whether Naik is guilty of money laundering. On the one hand, he seems the slimy type of preacher who would be involved in avoiding taxes and shifting money. On the other hand, India's inability to secure an Interpol red corner notice seems to indicate the authorities don't have any serious proof.

Either way, the dude seems to love and miss India. He's welcome to return and take his chances if he believes all of India except Modi loves him.

 

[Local.Dada]

Because it was never that important to us. It is you guys who keep telling us he has been banned in 5 countries for reasons even you don't seem clear on.

What reason are you not clear on? Financial irregularities, laundering + a rabid preacher who is a menace to society making provocative statements- all red flags tagged under terror threat by any civil society. If you are asking for the exact law arguments etc not my area of expertise and 50 bucks says neither is it yours. Just dont turn away from the facts slapping your face, every reason will be crystal clear.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Stop worrying about Hindus: since you seem to be in love with Zakir Naik, I would suggest make kids you care about in your friends/ family listen to his lectures all the time. Lead the way.

We already threw this garbage out. It has nothing to do with his religion, just that he was garbage.

I’m not a fan but Hindus should be his fans . Millions don’t know there is no image of god in their scriptures , naik shed light . Many Hindus after listening to him converted , he saved them from ignorance .

Stop hating one of the most famous Indians alive .

 

[cricketjoshila]

Muslims are not tolerant to insults to their holy figures and never have been. If other religions are tolerant of insults to their religions then that is up to them, Muslims can't tell them how to defend their own beliefs.

No religious community other than Muslims claim that they have the right to criticize or insult another religion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I’m not a fan but Hindus should be his fans . Millions don’t know there is no image of god in their scriptures , naik shed light . Many Hindus after listening to him converted , he saved them from ignorance .

Stop hating one of the most famous Indians alive .

. Hindus converted after listening to Zakir Naik. Is there any proof other than YouTube videos posted by him or his proxies?

Hindu scriptures describe the appearance of various god's clearly. Naik can take his twisted logic and shove it where sun doesn't shine.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But but Modi is a saint

But Modi has been hosted by 3 different US presidents. Addressed the US congress twice. Or do you guys deliberately forget this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Naik is helping Hindus to get away from backward practices which are not in Hindu texts .

Zaik knows Hindu scripture better than modi , yogi & most Hindus . Learn from him .

I don't need to learn Sanatan from.a muslim extremist.

 

[KingKhanWC]

. Hindus converted after listening to Zakir Naik. Is there any proof other than YouTube videos posted by him or his proxies?

Hindu scriptures describe the appearance of various god's clearly. Naik can take his twisted logic and shove it where sun doesn't shine.

Dozens alone just on video . Many Hindus also stopped worshipping idols . It says in Hindu scripture there is no image of god , unless you can show where it’s say make statues of animals & worship them . You should read his analysis, all RSS supporters will learn a lot .

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What reason are you not clear on? Financial irregularities, laundering + a rabid preacher who is a menace to society making provocative statements- all red flags tagged under terror threat by any civil society. If you are asking for the exact law arguments etc not my area of expertise and 50 bucks says neither is it yours. Just dont turn away from the facts slapping your face, every reason will be crystal clear.

It's news to me that has been banned for financial irregularities, I assume this is some charge brought up in India. The rest of your diatribe is just that. This guy was well known in India as a former Hindu who became a Muslim and has had a lot of success in getting other Hindus to follow him into the path of Islam. I understand that makes him very unpopular in hindutva circles.

 

[Local.Dada]

But but Modi is a saint

Modi is not a religious preacher like Naik. He might use religion for political means maybe like the whole “riyasat e madina” rhetoric. The fact that you are comparing a political with a religious preacher tells me a lot. Now on that front, Modi has donated his gifts from toshakana not steal a watch and end up in jail. That should be your real takeaway but as usual focusing on the wrong narrative.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No religious community other than Muslims claim that they have the right to criticize or insult another religion.

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[Local.Dada]

It's news to me that has been banned for financial irregularities, I assume this is some charge brought up in India. The rest of your diatribe is just that. This guy was well known in India as a former Hindu who became a Muslim and has had a lot of success in getting other Hindus to follow him into the path of Islam. I understand that makes him very unpopular in hindutva circles.

Yeah, we don’t like him. he got kicked out, ended up in Pakistan. Good riddance and case closed.Take him to Britian and make him convert all the non-believers there for all I care but for that you need to talk to your govt however- they see a brown guy from Pak cheerleading for Zakir Naik, the odds are it won’t be fun I would believe.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Modi is not a religious preacher like Naik. He might use religion for political means maybe like the whole “riyasat e madina” rhetoric. The fact that you are comparing a political with a religious preacher tells me a lot. Now on that front, Modi has donated his gifts from toshakana not steal a watch and end up in jail. That should be your real takeaway but as usual focusing on the wrong narrative.

Just stated the fact for you. If you guys think that banning Zakir makes him a bad guy then what about Modi who has been in this list for long?

 

[Local.Dada]

Just stated the fact for you. If you guys think that banning Zakir makes him a bad guy then what about Modi who has been in this list for long?

Why are you concerned about Modi? Are your politicians clean with a stellar character?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yeah, we don’t like him. he got kicked out, ended up in Pakistan. Good riddance and case closed.Take him to Britian and make him convert all the non-believers there for all I care but for that you need to talk to your govt however- they see a brown guy from Pak cheerleading for Zakir Naik, the odds are it won’t be fun I would believe.

These are really stupid posts which just seem like rants than sensible discussion. He hasn't ended up in Pakistan, he was there to deliver sermons I presume. Why would I take him to Britain? Is there anything in what I've said so far which would suggest that is my aim? Then something about a brown guy cheering for Zakir ending in not being fun? Is this for real?