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[VIDEOS] Will Babar Azam ruin Saim Ayub at Peshawar Zalmi?

Saim doing well so far - no signs of nerves or otherwise

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daytrader said:
Simply because with Babar at the top we are competitive. And Babar hasn't even hit his prime age yet. Why can't you see the obvious
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Why can't Babar (our best batsman) bat at 3 or 4 in limited overs cricket as to me that's the most important batting position that can accelerate or consolidate based on the situation. Why does he insist to Open???
 
BakuGM said:
Why can't Babar (our best batsman) bat at 3 or 4 in limited overs cricket as to me that's the most important batting position that can accelerate or consolidate based on the situation. Why does he insist to Open???
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It is in ODIs, not in t20s. We lost 10 wickets today and failed to play 20 overs. Against better teams this gets worse hence why Babar should be facing maximum balls
 
The mission is nearly complete

Pick the kid. Play him out of position. Ruin the kid.
 
Rana said:
Why should he? Why can’t the guy who earned his salt in the position we need players not get the chance?
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I mean in an ideal world yeah but we are talking about babar here . He is not giving up his slot and he is not known to rock the shi too much . Seems like Imam and Fakhar have pretty much locked down the opening slot , weather we like it or not. Even if there was ever a change in plans it'd be Babar getting the opening slot not Saim .
Its not fair but that's how things work in Pakistan cricket , Saim probably needs to make it to the team first and them we can talk about getting him moved up . Even Rizwan had to go through the same.
 
from_da_lost_dim3nsion said:
I mean in an ideal world yeah but we are talking about babar here . He is not giving up his slot and he is not known to rock the shi too much . Seems like Imam and Fakhar have pretty much locked down the opening slot , weather we like it or not. Even if there was ever a change in plans it'd be Babar getting the opening slot not Saim .
Its not fair but that's how things work in Pakistan cricket , Saim probably needs to make it to the team first and them we can talk about getting him moved up . Even Rizwan had to go through the same.
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Why would anyone have a problem with the Fakhar-Imam combo? Both of these guys are set in the opening spot, we better not mess with their form because we want to experiment with a player that's only played 14 list games before. That to right before a World Cup.
 
8 and 0 for Saim Ayub as an opener against Zimbabwe Select.

Of course Babar to blame for this.
 
MenInG said:
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Does it matter? When you are LBW on the first ball, it does not matter what format.

He should learn from Huraira.
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My days

Talk about shifting goalposts :))

On topic. Babar is a destroyer of careers in T20! Any young T20 opening batsman should do his best to avoid Babar Azam’s team or captaincy whenever he can. In fact, they should plain out refuse their selection under Babar Azam as the T20 captain for anything!!
 
Rana said:
My days

Talk about shifting goalposts :))

On topic. Babar is a destroyer of careers in T20! Any young T20 opening batsman should do his best to avoid Babar Azam’s team or captaincy whenever he can. In fact, they should plain out refuse their selection under Babar Azam as the T20 captain for anything!!
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My point is you need to look at the skills of this batter.

If he cannot score against Zimbabwe as an opener then there is a reason why he is not allowed to open for Pakistan.
 
MenInG said:
My point is you need to look at the skills of this batter.

If he cannot score against Zimbabwe as an opener then there is a reason why he is not allowed to open for Pakistan.
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What did Pakistan openers do against Zimbabwe in the T20 World Cup?
 
He’s a walking wicket against the moving ball currently. Thankfully Babar has realised this and is playing him in the middle order. He also need to get rid of these slogs across the line from time to time.
 
Saqlain Mushtaq in an interview:

"Babar Azam is very good with the boys; there used to be a significant difference in our time. The senior would sit there, the junior would sit there, and the captain would sit along with three guys accompanying him. He [Babar] takes everyone along, never leaving anyone alone"

"When Saim Ayub played for Peshawar Zalmi, you must have often seen him and Babar together. They stay together in the dressing room and even on the food table. During Ramadan, I used to have sehri and iftar with the Pakistan team; although I was with the New Zealand team, I saw Babar not only sitting with Haris but also sitting with Saim; although they are new in the team, he included everyone, and he doesn't have the mindset that I am alone and others are like this, and I am bigger than them or a bigger star. This is not the case,"
 
MenInG said:
Saqlain Mushtaq in an interview:

"Babar Azam is very good with the boys; there used to be a significant difference in our time. The senior would sit there, the junior would sit there, and the captain would sit along with three guys accompanying him. He [Babar] takes everyone along, never leaving anyone alone"

"When Saim Ayub played for Peshawar Zalmi, you must have often seen him and Babar together. They stay together in the dressing room and even on the food table. During Ramadan, I used to have sehri and iftar with the Pakistan team; although I was with the New Zealand team, I saw Babar not only sitting with Haris but also sitting with Saim; although they are new in the team, he included everyone, and he doesn't have the mindset that I am alone and others are like this, and I am bigger than them or a bigger star. This is not the case,"
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Babar is good with junior’s off the field means zilch with how he is ruining them on the cricket field
 
Seeing how bad our batters are at clearing the boundary we needed Saim in the squad . Maybe not to to play every game but at least where the boundaries are short , the dude would've absolutely dominated that game v Aus . A horses for courses kind of thing .
 
Picking Saim for the squad would have meant bestie Imam would be seriously under pressure to keep his spot
 
Rana said:
Pakistan don’t understand modern white ball cricket. Let them learn the hard way when every team’s gun opener smashes their bowling out of the park in the powerplay…

Wait, they still will not learn.
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Asia cup should've been enough to give us a wakeup call .
 
Most hundred partnerships in PSL

4 – Babar Azam & Saim Ayub (14 inns)

4 – Mohammad Rizwan & Rilee Rossouw (16 inns)

4 – Mohammad Rizwan & Shan Masood (28 inns)
 
Well today Saim looked like he is carrying the junior batter after the powerplay
 
Babar Azam's comments regarding Saim Ayub's brilliant performance against Lahore Qalandars yesterday :

"Good to see him(Saim Ayub succeed). He was struggling in the first three matches. I just asked him to believe in himself, and see the ball and hit it. Don't think too much as you are the best(in business) and just believe in yourself."
 
Saim seems to be enjoying batting with BA.
 
After scoring 38 (21) against Islamabad United

Saim Ayub continues to add value with his bowling, strengthening his case as a regular member of Pakistan's T20I squad. He post figures of 0/13 in 2 overs so far
 
Babar is the perfect mentor for upcoming batsmen. Not only is he serving as a great mentor for Saim’s batting but also giving him immense confidence in his bowling.

It’s so incredible to have someone as great as Babar Azam for our young batsmen to look up to and learn from.
 
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A great start by PZ's explosive opening pair but Saim gone now after a blistering knock of 30(12).
 
And with that blitzy innings of 30 (12), Saim takes the top spot for most 6's hit

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Sohail Khan today in a press conference said following regarding the Babar Azam and Saim Ayub duo:

"It was my second match of the PSL, I played one in Karachi and played one today. Babar is a no 1 batsman, Saim is also a no 1 batsman currently playing as opener for Pakistan and many other leagues around the world. They thrashed two retired fellows today ie me and (Mohammad) Amir. The wicket here was also too good for batting as the ball was coming onto the bat. Our batsmen played a bit rash today and were trying to score quick runs. If they had played the same cricketing shots like Babar and Azam, then we would have chased this target in the 18th over"
 
@Rana

I respect you as a poster but please do not make threads in bad faith. This is a prime example and I hope you'll take it on the chin and move on. This was an unnecessary thread fueled by a toxic agenda.

Saim is thriving under Babar and he couldn't have asked for a more supportive captain, franchise and support system at this stage of his career.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Sohail Khan today in a press conference said following regarding the Babar Azam and Saim Ayub duo:

"It was my second match of the PSL, I played one in Karachi and played one today. Babar is a no 1 batsman, Saim is also a no 1 batsman currently playing as opener for Pakistan and many other leagues around the world. They thrashed two retired fellows today ie me and (Mohammad) Amir. The wicket here was also too good for batting as the ball was coming onto the bat. Our batsmen played a bit rash today and were trying to score quick runs. If they had played the same cricketing shots like Babar and Azam, then we would have chased this target in the 18th over"
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Amir catching strays from Sohail Khan for no reason. You love to see it. :klopp

@Rana @topspin
 
Mamoon said:
@Rana

I respect you as a poster but please do not make threads in bad faith. This is a prime example and I hope you'll take it on the chin and move on. This was an unnecessary thread fueled by a toxic agenda.

Saim is thriving under Babar and he couldn't have asked for a more supportive captain, franchise and support system at this stage of his career.
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No, this thread was made because of a realistic issue that presented itself at the time and it did transpire for a brief while.

When Saim entered the draft after a stellar domestic T20 season, people who followed the national T20 cup where hoping for Saim to join a team where he can have an absolute free run as an opener (something Khwaja Nafay desperately needs at the moment).

Babar’s franchise picking Saim created natural anxiety within me because for the sake of this kid, who I admire so much and hope that he grows into a white ball giant for Pakistan, there was uncertainty whether he would get the chance to grow considering Babar and Harris were pencilled down the open the innings…and Babar had clearly stated that he wasn’t going to change his own batting position.

The thread was totally justified, Saim played matches outside of the opening position too for PZ and for Pakistan under Babar Azam. Anyone who would worry for this talent not going to waste would naturally be worried about him being wasted under a selfish captain like Babar.

As it turns out, Saim has done well and is now looking like the opener and flourishing in a natural batting position…who instead has gone down the route of being ruined with Babar’s insistence on opening whereas he is technically suited to bat at 3? It’s not a difficult question.
 
I would love to see both Saim and Babar open for the Pakistan team. They complement each other very well and make proper use of the power play.

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Rana said:
Retired Amir is still better than 90% of Pakistan’s seam battery. Name 3 better seamers than Amir in Pakistan right now
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Prime Amir or current Amir?

Prime Amir clears easily.

Current Amir, then probs naseem only, although naseem is better and line and length, Amir is still more dangerous.
 
I think Babar was at ease when Saim stayed at the other end because saim could take care of the runs quickly which helped babar to bat more freely. Yesterday, same thing happened, Saim got out and wickets started tumbling at the other end so babar had to play more carefully. Saim/babar combo has been super so far. Cannot say that abr ruined Saim. Both are helping each other out ATM.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Saim got out and wickets started tumbling at the other end so babar had to play more carefully.
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That will always be on the cards if we have Saim and Haris in the top order. Early wickets against Pakistan will always result in a sub par total.
 
mominsaigol said:
Prime Amir or current Amir?

Prime Amir clears easily.

Current Amir, then probs naseem only, although naseem is better and line and length, Amir is still more dangerous.
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Current Amir was one of the worst performing bowlers in this entire PSL. In 8 matches he managed only 8 wickets at an average of 33.25 and none of them were LBW or Bowled.

If by prime Amir you mean before he was banned for match fixing, then yeah he was incredibly talented and would have had a very good career. After Amir’s match fixing ban, he was never a consistently good bowler. Although, he did produce some absolutely amazing spells in the shorter formats. He ended up averaging 30 in Test and 30 in ODI, which pretty accurately represents how he was an average bowler for most of his career who managed to produce some incredible spells at times.

Shaheen has already taken more ODI wickets than Amir at an average of only 23 and is only 6 wickets away from passing Amir in Test wickets at a 4 point better average. Shaheen also has a better strike rate in every single format. Even Hasan Ali has a better Test average than Amir.
 
daytrader said:
That will always be on the cards if we have Saim and Haris in the top order. Early wickets against Pakistan will always result in a sub par total.
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Exactly. That is why only one of them can play in the top order.
 
160KPH said:
Current Amir was one of the worst performing bowlers in this entire PSL. In 8 matches he managed only 8 wickets at an average of 33.25 and none of them were LBW or Bowled.

If by prime Amir you mean before he was banned for match fixing, then yeah he was incredibly talented and would have had a very good career. After Amir’s match fixing ban, he was never a consistently good bowler. Although, he did produce some absolutely amazing spells in the shorter formats. He ended up averaging 30 in Test and 30 in ODI, which pretty accurately represents how he was an average bowler for most of his career who managed to produce some incredible spells at times.

Shaheen has already taken more ODI wickets than Amir at an average of only 23 and is only 6 wickets away from passing Amir in Test wickets at a 4 point better average. Shaheen also has a better strike rate in every single format. Even Hasan Ali has a better Test average than Amir.
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It's boosted by BD and Zim bashing. Remove that and his average is mid 30s. Agree with everything else you have written.
 
In a podcast, Saim Ayub talked about Babar Azam's role in giving him confidence, he said:

Babar is so humble by nature, he always provides a comfort zone for new players. Whatever you want to ask him, you can, he gives you that leverage. As a youngster, if your captain give you confidence you can easily adjust to the team. I am so grateful that he gave me chances from the begining since i joined Peshawar Zalmi. I have been enjoying my game immensely and I am thoroughly enjoying playing with the Zalmis.
 
Saim complements Babar in opening even better than Rizwan. This left-right duo can break many records and provide a stable opening stand if they get a chance to open in international cricket.
 
By the looks of it, Babar favouring Saim a bit too much.

Fakhar should be moved up to that slot.
 
Babar needs to open with rizwan

And usman needs to be given a go at 3 or 4 with fakhar .

Enough of this saim experiment keeps getting out in the same stupid manner.
 
mazkhan said:
Babar needs to open with rizwan

And usman needs to be given a go at 3 or 4 with fakhar .

Enough of this saim experiment keeps getting out in the same stupid manner.
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They can drop Saim and try fakhar as an opener that is how u can adjust Usman at number# 4 where he can play effectively.
 
Saim has been too careless I would say. He has the game but has no brain. Coaches should work on his mental blockages, technically, I don't think there is anything big to worry about. It is his obsession to play closed-eyes shots and look as much stylish as he can for the camera.

I think Fakhar should move up the order with rizwan with usman at 4.
 
MenInG said:
By the looks of it, Babar favouring Saim a bit too much.
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I think so too. I wouldn't be surprised if Saim starts bowling more to stay in the team. Already seen Babar give him a few overs in the last couple of matches.
 
daytrader said:
I think so too. I wouldn't be surprised if Saim starts bowling more to stay in the team. Already seen Babar give him a few overs in the last couple of matches.
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It can have be viewed from another point of view as well and that is Babar is giving every chance to saim so that people don't say that Babar dropped saim unjustified in the end.
 
BouncerGuy said:
It can have be viewed from another point of view as well and that is Babar is giving every chance to saim so that people don't say that Babar dropped saim unjustified in the end.
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Before he gets credit for something like this, it will become 'Saim is part of the dosti yaari group'. That's just how our fans work
 
daytrader said:
Before he gets credit for something like this, it will become 'Saim is part of the dosti yaari group'. That's just how our fans work
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Well, Babar should be given credit for persisting with Saim for 20 games without a single impact inning that resulted in a team's win. Saim is young and has a lot of potential but we cannot keep playing him for that potential, he needs to perform.
 
daytrader said:
Before he gets credit for something like this, it will become 'Saim is part of the dosti yaari group'. That's just how our fans work
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Are you claiming dosti yaari doesn't exist at all? It's all a scam?

Tu hai Mera match winner was a dream?

Not everyone like saim and fakhar are a part of the group, doesn't mean it doesn't exist with Bobby and rizzu at the helm.
 
mominsaigol said:
Are you claiming dosti yaari doesn't exist at all? It's all a scam?

Tu hai Mera match winner was a dream?

Not everyone like saim and fakhar are a part of the group, doesn't mean it doesn't exist with Bobby and rizzu at the helm.
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It's a team full of boys that have a lot in common. They spend a lot of time together so obviously there would be natural friendships. This is how human relations work, you become friends with class mates, co-workers, team members etc. In the Pakistani cricket context, the so called 'dosti yaari group' exists because they are mainstays and have played together for a while. Babar is our star batter, Rizwan is our best wicket keeper, Shadab our best all rounder and Shaheen our pace spearhead. It's a blessing for us that they are all united and a refreshing sight from our teams of the past. Do they favour each other? Maybe to a little extent but primarily they are there on merit. The friendships have become stronger due to their time spent together.

There was nothing wrong with the Nawaz being a match winner statement. It has nothing to do with dosti yaari as that was a public video of the dressing room. The captain was just lifting the spirits of the guy who was obviously distressed after the loss.

As for Saim and Fakhar why would you assume that they're not part of the dosti yaari group? Fakhar has been around long enough and has been persisted with. He also has the pushtun connection with Rizwan. Saim is also being supported. Not everything comes back to dosti yaari. Why is it so difficult for you to imagine that Babar and Rizwan actually want what is best for the team? They could have kicked out Saim and Fakhar at anytime but haven't.
 
daytrader said:
It's a team full of boys that have a lot in common. They spend a lot of time together so obviously there would be natural friendships. This is how human relations work, you become friends with class mates, co-workers, team members etc. In the Pakistani cricket context, the so called 'dosti yaari group' exists because they are mainstays and have played together for a while. Babar is our star batter, Rizwan is our best wicket keeper, Shadab our best all rounder and Shaheen our pace spearhead. It's a blessing for us that they are all united and a refreshing sight from our teams of the past. Do they favour each other? Maybe to a little extent but primarily they are there on merit. The friendships have become stronger due to their time spent together.

There was nothing wrong with the Nawaz being a match winner statement. It has nothing to do with dosti yaari as that was a public video of the dressing room. The captain was just lifting the spirits of the guy who was obviously distressed after the loss.

As for Saim and Fakhar why would you assume that they're not part of the dosti yaari group? Fakhar has been around long enough and has been persisted with. He also has the pushtun connection with Rizwan. Saim is also being supported. Not everything comes back to dosti yaari. Why is it so difficult for you to imagine that Babar and Rizwan actually want what is best for the team? They could have kicked out Saim and Fakhar at anytime but haven't.
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Babar is our star batter

- Biggest lie ever told.

Rizwan is our best wicket keeper

- This one is true.

Shadab is our best allrounder

- 😂

Shaheen our pace spearhead

- This is also true.

" Their on their on merit"

HAHAHAHAHAH shadab on merit 😂😂😂.
 
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In an interview Pakistan’s left-handed opener Saim Ayub has revealed how Babar Azam helped him during the early stages of his career with Peshawar Zalmi in the Pakistan Super League (PSL).

“Of course, I consider myself lucky [to bat with Azam]. I was nervous greatly when I got to open the innings with him during my first year at Zalmi. I knew that I had to increase my standards as I knew that he would definitely overshadow me in the innings. There was nervousness but as time passed, I now enjoy it because I can see the trust and freedom [given to me] from him. After all, that is what a youngster needs from a senior,”

“I learned a lot from him, some things tactically some things mentally. At times I would ask him and other times he would tell me without asking and besides, you learn so much just by watching him from the non-striker's end.”
 
On the contrary, it helped propel his career. He wouldn’t be playing for Pakistan now and having this limelight if he wasn’t picked by Zalmi and nurtured by Babar.

This tread has backfired beautifully. Truth, sincerity and good character will always prevail over toxic agendas.
 
Babar Azam is a sworn enemy of Pakistan’s progress

Rizwan too.

What’s their legacy when they retire? Batting Saim at 3 when they both couldn’t strike at a run a ball in the powerplay?
 
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