Virat Kohli has brought shame to India in LOIs

[Aman]

There is no evidence to back your claim apart from his previous record in New Zealand that is years old.

My evidence is his outrageous record in the last two years against all position and in pretty much every country. Nevertheless, you are free to believe that he would have been a walking wicket in this series.

The evidence is actually watching games and knowing those conditions would not have suited Rohit.

Rohit goes hard at the ball and that's asking for trouble when there is seam and swing around.

I'm a big fan of Rohit's and am well aware of his ability, on a flat wicket he would have killed us and took us out of the game with a brisk 50. But he doesn't scare me outside that.

 

[silentkiller187]

whats next, this indian xi is on par if not better than an ATG XI from the rest of the world.

 

[Mamoon]

The evidence is actually watching games and knowing those conditions would not have suited Rohit.

Rohit goes hard at the ball and that's asking for trouble when there is seam and swing around.

New Zealand openers scored runs but Rohit wouldn’t have, because they are better than Rohit in these conditions. Yeah I am convinced.

India didn’t miss Rohit at all. Had he played, they would have lost the 3 match series 4-0.

 

[Aman]

New Zealand openers scored runs but Rohit wouldn’t have, because they are better than Rohit in these conditions. Yeah I am convinced.

India didn’t miss Rohit at all. Had he played, they would have lost the 3 match series 4-0.

There was some sideaways movement early in the second innings @ Eden Park, idk if it was just because our bowlers were better able to find it or if the conditions changed and helped. 270 odd or whatever we made never should have been enough but the ball was moving around and it helped us knock over their top order cheaply.

Likewise this game Jamieson and Southee were getting the ball to swing and seam.

 

[IAJ]

You forgot Williamson for the first 2 games, which meant Latham had to captain with no captaincy experience. And NZ came off a 5-0 thrashing and were low on confidence and their coach was on holiday.

Thanks for reminder.

The issue here is why people just can’t accept the losses even though a couple of players are missing.

In that case I would question all results against Pakistan when ever Aamir and Asif didn’t play all those years (ignoring why they were not playing, they were just unavailable) That sounds so stupid, honestly

 

[Mamoon]

Thanks for reminder.

The issue here is why people just can’t accept the losses even though a couple of players are missing.

In that case I would question all results against Pakistan when ever Aamir and Asif didn’t play all those years (ignoring why they were not playing, they were just unavailable) That sounds so stupid, honestly

If Amir and Asif would have taken Pakistan to big victories, then their absence would have been an excuse. With or without them, we were average.

Rohit and Dhawan have helped India maintain top 2 rankings in ODIs for a long time. Their absence has a real impact on the results of the Indian team.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm clearly talking about NZ, with the seam and swing available early on Rohit would never have survived.

He would have been a sitting duck in the last 2 games.

In the 4 T20s he played,

He scored 60 twice and was retired hurt in one of those innings.

Clearly he can survive and score runs.

 

[Aman]

In the 4 T20s he played,

He scored 60 twice and was retired hurt in one of those innings.

Clearly he can survive and score runs.

Do you think he would have survived at Eden Park and Mount Maunganui with the early movement?

Probably would have scored runs in Hamilton, but everyone did there outside the openers who both made starts.

Rohit has nearly always failed against us when there's a bit of nibble in the wicket early. Did the same in the WC Final and was doing it in the T20Is when there was a bit there.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Virat Kohli has done nothing incredible except last overseas tour to Australia and New Zealand, where they beat both the sides comfortably. Those were the historic wins for the Indian Team.

However if someone says, Kohli is too big personality to play under some random opener, then he is mistaken.

If 2 WC winner and a champion trophy winner can play under Kohli, then there is no question of Kohli not playing under someone who has 3 IPL trophies (One of the biggest cricket league in world) which Kohli can only dream of.

However some people have agenda of bashing Pakistan Cricket Team irrespective of the result. They even went to the extent saying Kohli is one of the greatest Asian Captain of all time, calling Imran Khan a bad omen to Pakistani team who started loosing streak in WC.

 

[minamino]

You forgot Williamson for the first 2 games, which meant Latham had to captain with no captaincy experience. And NZ came off a 5-0 thrashing and were low on confidence and their coach was on holiday.

Joker of the year arrives with another gem. Latham has been the vice-captain for NZ for a long time now and he has captained NZ here and there.

 

[Aman]

Do you think he would have survived at Eden Park and Mount Maunganui with the early movement?

Probably would have scored runs in Hamilton, but everyone did there outside the openers who both made starts.

Rohit has nearly always failed against us when there's a bit of nibble in the wicket early. Did the same in the WC Final and was doing it in the T20Is when there was a bit there.

Semi Final*

You're asking someone who is a fan of Rohit's but doesn't fear him in NZ conditions to be afraid of him.

 

[minamino]

Thanks for reminder.

The issue here is why people just can’t accept the losses even though a couple of players are missing.

In that case I would question all results against Pakistan when ever Aamir and Asif didn’t play all those years (ignoring why they were not playing, they were just unavailable) That sounds so stupid, honestly

You forgot that even Shane Bond, Fleming, Martin Crowe and even Richard Hadlee was missing from the lineup. What an amazing way to take credit away from Latham.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Stop insulting Hayden like that. Hayden is a 3 time WC winner. He had a vital role in each of them whereas Rohit scored only when it was a weak opposition or a useless match.

Teams win WC, not a single player.


FYI Rohit has close to 1000 runs in two world cups he has played.

 

[Mamoon]

Same conditions, same pitch, same opposition, same stipulations.

Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli would collectively outscore Gilchrist, Hayden and Ponting.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hahahahah and who is strongly built in Indian team who could handle a bouncer???

FYI Hasnain and Shaheen are ok. Little Musa is a tough kid also. Don’t go by height my friend. It takes Jigar, not fake swag to fight

Thing is most Indian players will have more security men in their entourage than the club.

Or if its Kohli, he will simply buy the club and throw the people he doesnt like out.

There are things you dont have to do, if you are a millionaire.

 

[Aman]

Same conditions, same pitch, same opposition, same stipulations.

Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli would collectively outscore Gilchrist, Hayden and Ponting.

Rohit and Kohli combined for 2 runs when it mattered most.

 

[silentkiller187]

Rohit and Kohli combined for 2 runs when it mattered most.

but they are still better than ABD, Viv Richards, whole of aussie team, bradman, tendulker et al put together.

 

[Aman]

but they are still better than ABD, Viv Richards, whole of aussie team, bradman, tendulker et al put together.

It's not just that, it was how meekly they surrendered. Think it was just as pathetic in the CT Final?

How many did Dhawan, Rohit and Kohli manage there? 4 runs?

Edit: Looked it up, they combined for 26 runs.

 

[Mesozoic]

Same conditions, same pitch, same opposition, same stipulations.

Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli would collectively outscore Gilchrist, Hayden and Ponting.

Ofcourse they would. The latter three are all in their late 40s.

 

[Mamoon]

Rohit and Kohli combined for 2 runs when it mattered most.

Which is roughly the same number of runs Gilchrist scored in all semifinals combined, but his team was strong enough to carry him into the final each time.

That is why it’s important to have perspective.

 

[andy0204]

Iam just getting entertain by watching the posts

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Talk about a knee-jerk reaction.

Kohli is still India's best choice for captaincy. Nothing special about Rohit as captain and neither can he lead the team with an iron-fist like Kohli. Also, it would take something really big for Kohli to not be captain. It would have to be either a prolonged horrible run of form or India's performances falling off a cliff. AndI don't see any of those things happening in the near future

 

[cricketjoshila]

Any professional sports player that thinks highly of themselves or celebrity for that matter will have an "entourage" or "hangers on" as they are probably more appropriately called. Does not mean anything. The entourage would probably be the first to run when something pops off.

FYI, there is a difference between hangers on and a security detail.

 

[Mahee]

request virat kohli to retire from all forms of International cricket

 

[Mamoon]

Gilchrist’s record in semifinals.

World Cups:

1999: 20 runs
2003: 22 runs
2007: 1 run

Champions Trophies:

2004: 37
2006: 3

5 semifinals, highest score of only 37, and average of 16.

And yet, his team was strong enough to carry him to the final on all but one occasion (2004 Champions Trophy), which gave Gilchrist countless opportunities to make amends.

If he played for a less formidable team and would have lost all the semifinals which he deserved to lose for his garbage performances, what would people call him now?

Hint: the word starts with C.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

come on guys.. seriously? Kholi had 1 bad series and u want his blood lol ... he is the king for a reason.. he will be back..... i do hope he doesnt win any trophies (professional banter) but he is the best chance india has to win ....

Rohit Sharma will fall at first punch.. he needs to have big names behind his back to do anthing on his own.

take kholi out of this team and rohit sharma will be as big a dud as ahmad shazad ... (am extremly sorry to indian fans to even write sharma n ahmad selfie in 1 sentence but tht will be it )

 

[in_cutter]

Tendulkar, Steve Smith etc. are different characters. Kohli is a big personality and the spotlight is always on him when he’s on the pitch.

Asking him to play under Rohit is like asking Imran to play under Wasim in 1992 World Cup. It is not practical.

No player is bigger than the team.

 

[Mamoon]

No player is bigger than the team.

Plenty of players are in different sports. For example, Messi is bigger than FC Barcelona at the moment.

They would sell any player and sack any coach/official in order to keep him at the club.

 

[Rana]

There is nothing phony about him. It is just your jealously. Again, as I said, learn to appreciate greatness.

Kohli is a far bigger cricketer than Akhtar and there is a reason for it. He has more guts than Akhtar and a bigger heart.

I reiterate, I am not discounting Kohli’s greatness with the bat. He is a great batsman. I have no need for jealousy because my team also has a great batsman.

On a personal level, I am happy for the guy but I need to send reality checks to guys who are deluded about his fake masculinity and bravado.

“I know he is your captain but you can’t seriously like him as a bloke”. This was not a sledge, it was the harsh reality of who he is on the field

 

[light]

I think Rohit Sharma Could have been a good captain

If Rohit wasn't captain during Asia Cup, we would have lost that one too. Virat needs to let go of captaincy, he is terrible at that job.

 

[MenInG]

Some of you will be banned shortly. Watch what you are writing here.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Fact is - India is a mediocre team who are really good at home and are pretty meek when they travel. To compound the misery, New Zealand have not even fielded 5 of their first choice players while India travelled with the best team available

 

[MenInG]

Some of you will be banned shortly. Watch what you are writing here.

Read again.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Fact is - India is a mediocre team who are really good at home and are pretty meek when they travel. To compound the misery, New Zealand have not even fielded 5 of their first choice players while India travelled with the best team available

Fact is India won the T20Is.

But lost the ODIs.

Loss of Rohit Dhawan Kuldeep Pandya and then Shami,two of them arguably the best opening pair ever,makes a big difference.

 

[Mesozoic]

Fact is - India is a mediocre team who are really good at home and are pretty meek when they travel. To compound the misery, New Zealand have not even fielded 5 of their first choice players while India travelled with the best team available

Have won 7 out of our 11 series' in SENA in the last 2 years.

And if you count all the thrashings we gave to actual mediocre teams like WI, SL, Pak etc when we "travelled" , your claim would appear even more absurd. Also check which team won most away series' in the last 5 years. I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.

 

[imrankhannsu]

Kholi's achiements as an ODI captain is not something to brag about but I doubt anyone else is Captain material either. But I dont think this is the right time to switch captains.

 

[Sam99]

come on guys.. seriously? Kholi had 1 bad series and u want his blood lol ... he is the king for a reason.. he will be back..... i do hope he doesnt win any trophies (professional banter) but he is the best chance india has to win ....

Rohit Sharma will fall at first punch.. he needs to have big names behind his back to do anthing on his own.

take kholi out of this team and rohit sharma will be as big a dud as ahmad shazad ... (am extremly sorry to indian fans to even write sharma n ahmad selfie in 1 sentence but tht will be it )

lol yeah same ahmad shazad won his team 4 ipl trophy, asia cup, nidhas trophy or any big events he has lead till date. You need big names like kohli? or ab? what has kohli done with big names in rcb? he had gayle, starc, watson, ab, himself and many more big names imo. Sharma might not be big name but he surely isn't as bad as shazad without kohli.

 

[Hasan123]

Kohli is a good captain. People just over react after a few defeats.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Kohli is a good captain. People just over react after a few defeats.

I would like to know more about the number of ICC trophies India have won under this good captain.

 

[RainStopsPlay]

Kohli is a good captain. People just over react after a few defeats.

Are you talking about Book cricket? I doubt he'll win matches in Book cricket, too.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Fact is India won the T20Is.

But lost the ODIs.

Loss of Rohit Dhawan Kuldeep Pandya and then Shami,two of them arguably the best opening pair ever,makes a big difference.

It should be said that New Zealand lost T20Is because of their inexperience in batting. They should have won 3/5 of T20s.. in ODIs once the likes of Latham, Nicholls came back, that was also fixed and India were served with a proper hammering. As Aman stated earlier, Rohit does zilch in NZ and his record speaks for it.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Have won 7 out of our 11 series' in SENA in the last 2 years.

And if you count all the thrashings we gave to actual mediocre teams like WI, SL, Pak etc when we "travelled" , your claim would appear even more absurd. Also check which team won most away series' in the last 5 years. I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.

1 test series win against Australia and that too without Smith and Warner. Apart from that you lost RSA and England test series which were the most important. Others were all against weakened SENA teams who were experimenting. We all saw how India was demolished in the match that mattered - WC semifinal.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Have won 7 out of our 11 series' in SENA in the last 2 years.

And if you count all the thrashings we gave to actual mediocre teams like WI, SL, Pak etc when we "travelled" , your claim would appear even more absurd. Also check which team won most away series' in the last 5 years. I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.

How many series have you played against Pakistan? One-off matches are considered part of series?

Also isn't a mediocre team like Pakistan responsible for the heaviest defeat this Indian team has faced in the past five years? Under Kohli's captaincy

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Why are people defending the indefensible?

Of course, Kohli has messed up the LOI units SOOO bad.

We won many series INSPITE of his captaincy and not because of his captaincy.

When you have a ladoo team, you will win NO MATTER who captains.

It's how you build the team for tourneys, how you select your XI, how you lead them in crucial moment that determines your captaincy.

2019 WC fiasco was visible from another GALAXY.

Kohli is an awful awful awful LOI captain.

And even a fluke 2020 World T20 win won't change that.

That's how much he has screwed up.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Very poor captain in ODIs and T20s. Rohit Sharma must lead in these 2 formats if we want to have any chance of winning a big title in the next 3 years.

 

[Mobashir]

There is no evidence to back your claim apart from his previous record in New Zealand that is years old.

My evidence is his outrageous record in the last two years against all position and in pretty much every country. Nevertheless, you are free to believe that he would have been a walking wicket in this series.

IF past record is not an evidence what is evidence for you? Your imagination only?

Especially when the series happened only one year ago. Sharma averaged 33 at a SR of 71. His struggle against movement is well known.

 

[ind_win]

Just hope Kohli uses his battling intellect in captaincy and not bowling one. Once he retires, all he can see is the cupboard for trophies & record books. One is empty so far and the second one is not looking good in KO matches - in LOIs.

In tests too, he screwed up with his selections, especially overseas in 3-4 crucial matches which cost India the series, but that Aus tour 2018 win was historical and covered his deficiencies. But he is aggressive and backs his fast bowlers in Tests is a welcome change from Deadwood dhoni captaincy in tests.

 

[andy0204]

Just hope Kohli uses his battling intellect in captaincy and not bowling one. Once he retires, all he can see is the cupboard for trophies & record books. One is empty so far and the second one is not looking good in KO matches - in LOIs.

In tests too, he screwed up with his selections, especially overseas in 3-4 crucial matches which cost India the series, but that Aus tour 2018 win was historical and covered his deficiencies. But he is aggressive and backs his fast bowlers in Tests is a welcome change from Deadwood dhoni captaincy in tests.

At least he has U19 trophy.

 

[Sam99]

Give Kohli chance for next 2 t20 worldcups and if he fails make someone else captain for 2023 wc.

 

[Sam99]

At least he has U19 trophy.

he has odi worldcup trophy which many great players couldn't have in their whole career.

 

[ind_win]

At least he has U19 trophy.

If it is a joke, I get it.
If it is not, it still qualifies to be a joke from LOIs viewpoint.

 

[AdamM97]

Kohli is an ATG batsman but not a good captain. If you have a quality team like India and still fail to win tournaments/cups/series that matter(excluding the Test Win in Australia) you should do your country a favour by stepping down.

Simply shouting and showing lots of ’jazba’ doesn’t make someone a good leader.

 

[Savak]

Lol at shame. Its only a game of Cricket at the end of the day

 

[JaDed]

I’m almost certain our losing of WC superiority over Pak would be his gift to us as well.

 

[Mamoon]

IF past record is not an evidence what is evidence for you? Your imagination only?

Especially when the series happened only one year ago. Sharma averaged 33 at a SR of 71. His struggle against movement is well known.

Scores of 87 and 62 in a low scoring 5 match series is hardly a failure. He still outscored all New Zealand batsmen except Taylor.

There are clear differences between this series and the last year one. Just look at the scores:

2020:

1st ODI: 347, 348
2nd ODI: 273, 251
3rd ODI: 296, 300

2019:

1st ODI: NZ was dismissed for 157
2nd ODI: 324, 234
3rd ODI: 243, 245/3
4th ODI: India was dismissed for 92
5th ODI: 252, 217

In the 2019 series last year, the average first innings score was 213.

Only once was a team able to score 260+ in the first innings.

Teams were dismissed for less than 200 twice, and the lowest first innings score was 92.

In the series that finished today:

The average first innings score was 305, almost 100 runs more than last year.

The lowest first innings total was 273.

Neither team was dismissed for less than 250 in any innings.

The above stats clearly reflect that this series was very batting-friendly, unless you want to admit that India apart from Rohit are so good in swinging conditions that they managed to score 347.

If the conditions were flat, how many would they have scored?

Similarly, if this series was played in swinging conditions where Rohit would have struggled, then India and New Zealand must be the best batting sides in the world against swing, if they could manage an average first innings score of 305, in conditions where Rohit wouldn’t have been able to put bat on ball.

So you have two choices. Either admit with great pain that India is so good against swing that they scored 347 and 296 in swinging conditions while batting first,

OR

India clearly missed Rohit Sharma because he has time and time again proved himself to be a devastating batsman on 300+ pitches.

So in conclusion, it is very clear that the narrative that the conditions were too hard for batting does not hold up looking at the scores, unless you want to admit that India is so good against swing that they managed to score 347 and 296 while batting first.

The 2019 series was played in swinging conditions and Rohit “cannot play swing” Sharma outperformed Kane “Fab 4” Williamson.

That is what happens when you view everything with your Indophobic lens. You end up in a tangle because of your own contradictory logic.

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

This post also addresses your assumption that Rohit would have been a walking wicket in this series. Clearly, facts say otherwise.

 

[minamino]

How is Rohit better than Kohli as a captain? Losing to Bangladesh in a T20I that too at home should be last coffin for his captaincy.

 

[Hasan123]

I would like to know more about the number of ICC trophies India have won under this good captain.

India haven't lost tournament due to his captaincy alone. They have made poor selections, certain players haven't performed in key moments, also there seems to be a mental block , and they have not had some luck. If you are going to blame him solely for not winning ICC tournaments than you should give him credit for making India a consistent force in all formats and being captain of the number 1 test. India can win the test championship and the WC in 2023. All is not lost.

 

[Hasan123]

Are you talking about Book cricket? I doubt he'll win matches in Book cricket, too.

I am talking about real cricket. If you don't think he is a good captain than say instead of saying stupid things.

 

[in_cutter]

Indian fans are fed up of Kohli. They want Sharma for captain. And rightly so.

 

[HydratedTurnip]

A guy who wins 71% of matches he captains (5th highest ever!)
Batting avg. of 75+ as captain (highest ever!)

Yet he is the subject of this thread! Hilarious!

 

[tyron_woodley]

Indian fans are fed up of Kohli. They want Sharma for captain. And rightly so.

god. rohit vs kohli fans are both insane.

I agree however rohit is a better odi captain.

 

[Slog]

New Zealand openers scored runs but Rohit wouldn’t have, because they are better than Rohit in these conditions. Yeah I am convinced.

India didn’t miss Rohit at all. Had he played, they would have lost the 3 match series 4-0.

Making stupid comments doesn’t take away the merit of his statements. It just lays bare a lack of genuine argument in your end.

Every evidence says that Rohit would have failed. Besides his purple patch is not just a couple of years old. It’s been a good 5 years.

 

[JaDed]

A guy who wins 71% of matches he captains (5th highest ever!)
Batting avg. of 75+ as captain (highest ever!)

Yet he is the subject of this thread! Hilarious!

Because he at his disposal has a much better team and he has been selecting Jhadav 34 yr old and Shradul Thakur for the playing 11

Also there is an alternative for India in Rohit Sharma for LOI

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

He is too big a figure to play under someone else’s captaincy. He is the face of cricket today and it will be unfair to whoever leads the team in his presence. The spotlight will always be on him.

He is a very good captain but he doesn’t have any luck. However, he will eventually deliver a trophy for India under his captaincy,

nah , rohit's better . Tendu was the biggest figure India evr had but he played under a few different captains without any issues.

 

[hitthestump]

A guy who wins 71% of matches he captains (5th highest ever!)
Batting avg. of 75+ as captain (highest ever!)

Yet he is the subject of this thread! Hilarious!

India is to cricket what Manchester City is to football.

With the amount of resources at the BCCI's disposal Kohli has to win. It is a significant humiliation that the playing field has become so heavily unequal in the favour of India yet they are still being embarrassed 3-0.

Failing to the extent that this team is failing is absolutely unacceptable and he definitely should be sacked as ODI captain on this basis of this series alone.

 

[khan_aa]

I guess instead of telling new Zealand that their cricket is best under the hands of Kane Williamson, he should try to focus on who’s hands Indian cricket is best under

 

[ahmadharis1]

There is no doubt that had Virat Kohli played and captained 2018 Asia Cup he would have won that

 

[Savak]

He is too big a figure to play under someone else’s captaincy. He is the face of cricket today and it will be unfair to whoever leads the team in his presence. The spotlight will always be on him.

He is a very good captain but he doesn’t have any luck. However, he will eventually deliver a trophy for India under his captaincy,

Just love it when i see you selectively once in a blue moon albeit biased give the benefit of the doubt to your favorite so much so that you are willing to go to war with the Indians on this lol

 

[Savak]

Injuries to Rohit and Dhawan and the relatively poor form of Kohli and Bumrah were the major factor for this defeat and his captaincy.

Nevertheless, if you have an agenda you will back it no matter what. Losing matches isn’t always down to poor captaincy. There are so many factors and variables that play a part.

Funny you never felt the same about any Pakistani captain especially Sarfaraz

 

[austerlitz]

Big plus from this series is settling down of middle order 4 and 5 positions by iyer and rahul.
2nd plus is end of thakurs career.
Negatives are relatively ineffective spin attack,need to try chahar to pressure the established 2.
2nd worry is bumrah's inconsistency since coming back from injury.

 

[Savak]

IF past record is not an evidence what is evidence for you? Your imagination only?

Especially when the series happened only one year ago. Sharma averaged 33 at a SR of 71. His struggle against movement is well known.

Please don't take him seriously he flip flops with bias at will. He will use another person's past record even if it is 10 years ago against him if he doesn't like him or if it is in general a Pakistani player

 

[ManFan]

Kohli is a horrible ODI captain but decent in Tests.

The opposite of Dhoni.

 

[iPakistani]

Gilchrist’s record in semifinals.

World Cups:

1999: 20 runs
2003: 22 runs
2007: 1 run

Champions Trophies:

2004: 37
2006: 3

5 semifinals, highest score of only 37, and average of 16.

And yet, his team was strong enough to carry him to the final on all but one occasion (2004 Champions Trophy), which gave Gilchrist countless opportunities to make amends.

If he played for a less formidable team and would have lost all the semifinals which he deserved to lose for his garbage performances, what would people call him now?

Hint: the word starts with C.

Virat's record in semifinals.

World Cups:

2011: 9 runs
2015: 1 run
2019: 1 run

3 semifinals, highest score of only 9, and average of 3.67.

If he played for a less formidable team and would have lost all the semifinals which he deserved to lose for his garbage performances, what would people call him now?

Hint: the word starts with C.

 

[Mamoon]

Virat's record in semifinals.

World Cups:

2011: 9 runs
2015: 1 run
2019: 1 run

3 semifinals, highest score of only 9, and average of 3.67.

If he played for a less formidable team and would have lost all the semifinals which he deserved to lose for his garbage performances, what would people call him now?

Hint: the word starts with C.

Lol, pawned him with his own logic

Kohli’s critics already call him a choker because of his semifinal failures. That was the entire point of my post.

 

[Mamoon]

Funny you never felt the same about any Pakistani captain especially Sarfaraz

Why would I? A poor captain, a poor player, leading a poor team.

Does a nonsense team deserve the same leeway that a top team does?

 

[Mamoon]

Making stupid comments doesn’t take away the merit of his statements. It just lays bare a lack of genuine argument in your end.

Every evidence says that Rohit would have failed. Besides his purple patch is not just a couple of years old. It’s been a good 5 years.

Read post #135.

I have thoroughly explained.

There is not a shred of evidence that Rohit would have failed on pitches where the average score was 300+.

And if failing in swinging conditions (2019) series means doing better than the master of NZ swinging conditions like Williamson, then I don’t think India would have minded his presence.

Rohit had a resurgence in 2013 when he opened, but his game has gone up a notch in the last 12 months. Check the rate at which he is scoring hundreds. His consistency has certainly improved.

His first of the 500 centuries in the 2019 World Cup vs South Africa (122*) came in difficult conditions where the ball swung, seamed and also gripped later on. No other batsmen from either side was able to score a half-century.

Rohit is an ODI legend who doesn’t fail more often than any other batsmen in tough conditions in ODIs. That is just a lazy sweeping statement based on his Test career. He has scored many tough runs in ODIs and continues to do so.

Whether his presence would have turned the series around or not is something that we don’t know, but to claim that India did not miss him and he was guaranteed to fail on pitches with an average score of 300+ is complete and utter nonsense.

 

[King-Misbah]

Rohit is better than Gilchrist and Hayden, Dhawan is comparable to both but perhaps the Australia duo were slightly better.

Kohli is better than Ponting, so yes, the Indian top 3 is the greatest top 3 in ODI history 2:1, if not 3:0.

Again, please don’t mention the World Cups and all that. World Cup is a collective effort and not down to the top 3 only.

Replace the Australian trio with the Indian trio and they would still win the World Cups. In fact, just give McGrath and Symonds to this Indian team and they will be invincible.

Gilchrist failed in every semifinal of his career but his team was good enough to carry him to the final on each occasion. That’s the luxury of playing for an invincible side.

Rohit is better then Hayden and Gilchrist Are you being serious? This really portrays your lack of cricket knowledge. Gilchrist was not only a better batsman but also a very good keeper.

 

[Mamoon]

Rohit is better then Hayden and Gilchrist Are you being serious? This really portrays your lack of cricket knowledge. Gilchrist was not only a better batsman but also a very good keeper.

He might be a better gardener as well. I am only comparing their ODI batting and not other skills.

Yes, Rohit is a better ODI opener than both and second only to Tendulkar in ODI history.

To claim otherwise shows lack of knowledge or refusal to accept that Rohit is a giant of ODI cricket due to jealousy.

 

[sweep_shot]

So, he brought shame just because of a bilateral series? I don't think so.

Kohli took India to #1 position in Test. That's a pretty big deal.

I think Kohli should continue as captain.

 

[Slog]

Read post #135.

I have thoroughly explained.

There is not a shred of evidence that Rohit would have failed on pitches where the average score was 300+.

And if failing in swinging conditions (2019) series means doing better than the master of NZ swinging conditions like Williamson, then I don’t think India would have minded his presence.

Rohit had a resurgence in 2013 when he opened, but his game has gone up a notch in the last 12 months. Check the rate at which he is scoring hundreds. His consistency has certainly improved.

His first of the 500 centuries in the 2019 World Cup vs South Africa (122*) came in difficult conditions where the ball swung, seamed and also gripped later on. No other batsmen from either side was able to score a half-century.

Rohit is an ODI legend who doesn’t fail more often than any other batsmen in tough conditions in ODIs. That is just a lazy sweeping statement based on his Test career. He has scored many tough runs in ODIs and continues to do so.

Whether his presence would have turned the series around or not is something that we don’t know, but to claim that India did not miss him and he was guaranteed to fail on pitches with an average score of 300+ is complete and utter nonsense.

Let’s Forget his other failures in swinging conditions... when it was swinging and India needed him to step up in the World Cup semi final he made as many runs as his big game bottler captain.

Hint: Both scored 1 each in that semi final.