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Kohli at post-match presentation expressed surprise over how England - the hosts - got favourable playing conditions for their crucial encounter in Birmingham.

"It's a coincidence that it (boundry-line) just falls under the limitations of the shortest boundary you can have in the tournament. Quite bizarre on a flat pitch, it's the first time we are experiencing this. It's crazy that things fall in place like that randomly."

Discuss- Did ICC deliberately rig the playing conditions for this match to ensure victory for the hometeam?
 
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Boundary sizes are a joke but it's the same for both teams. Poor timing of words from Kohli .
 
As he should.

Bairstow and Morgan whined over the week and the boundary ropes were brought in to the lowest allowed by the ICC. Meant the spinners could be easily attacked.

ICC is supposed to be keeping this neutral.
 
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Hasan123 said:
Boundary sizes are a joke but it's the same for both teams. Poor timing of words from Kohli .
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Maybe not the boundary sizes, but don’t you think that England deliberately got an absolute belter considering their performance last couple of matches? Isn’t Edgbaston typically more spin-friendly?
 
Sin Nombre said:
As he should.

Bairstow and Morgan whined over the week and the boundary ropes were brought in to the lowest allowed by the ICC. Meant the spinners could be easily attacked.

ICC is supposed to be keeping this neutral.
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Yup, looks like this was done to neutralize the spinners today.
 
India did it in 2011, Aussies in 2015 so Poms in 2019. If they can’t win it this time, then God Save the Queen :shafiq2 no future :boycott
 
Even with shortest possible boundary, Kohli and Co could only hit one six.

He is just trying to deflect attention from his defeat
 
Abdullah719 said:
Was the boundary shorter during England's innings and longer during India's?
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India bowled 20 overs of spinners, England bowled 6 overs.

Kohli should be called out for not reading the conditions better pre-match, and playing Bhuvi instead of one of KulCha.

But not for England obviously getting match conditions changed just before the match.
 
maqbool said:
Even with shortest possible boundary, Kohli and Co could only hit one six.

He is just trying to deflect attention from his defeat
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Hard to hit the pacers on this pitch. England didn't really do well either against Bumrah or Shami.

Pitch + boundary was attempt to neutralize Indian leggies. It worked.
 
dildilpak said:
Maybe not the boundary sizes, but don’t you think that England deliberately got an absolute belter considering their performance last couple of matches? Isn’t Edgbaston typically more spin-friendly?
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I was expecting a similar wicket to Wednesday. So yes I was disappointed with the pitch today. But after that you have to play on the pitch that is there and India were not good enough today.
 
Sin Nombre said:
India bowled 20 overs of spinners, England bowled 6 overs.

Kohli should be called out for not reading the conditions better pre-match, and playing Bhuvi instead of one of KulCha.

But not for England obviously getting match conditions changed just before the match.
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Bhuvi is not fully fit.
 
Sin Nombre said:
India bowled 20 overs of spinners, England bowled 6 overs.

Kohli should be called out for not reading the conditions better pre-match, and playing Bhuvi instead of one of KulCha.

But not for England obviously getting match conditions changed just before the match.
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This. Even a dumb could tell spinners would struggle there. And instead of bringing in faster options to take wickets, he kepy bowling with spinners till they were able to push over 200 @ 7+RPO. Not to mention the horrible line/length they bowled to Bairstow considering that he was mainly hitting inside a specific arc.
 
Couldnt he see this before picking two spinners who were spanked all over the park?

Poor from Kohli considering India has regularly produced home pitches to suit them.
 
Sin Nombre said:
Source? IIRC he was bowling in the nets before the match against WI.
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He has been injured since the Pakistan game. If he was fit he would have played but Shami and the rest of the attack have been in good form. So not easy to change that.
 
shockbound said:
This. Even a dumb could tell spinners would struggle there. And instead of bringing in faster options to take wickets, he kepy bowling with spinners till they were able to push over 200 @ 7+RPO. Not to mention the horrible line/length they bowled to Bairstow considering that he was mainly hitting inside a specific arc.
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Kedar didnt bowl single over..
 
One thing to keep in mind with regards to his comments is that the likeliest semifinal right now is a repeat of India vs England at Edgbaston.

He obviously is trying to put pressure on the ICC curators to use a slower pitch and/or make the boundaries longer.

Very similar to how PL managers try to put pressure on a referee for a bad decision so that they get a call in their favor the next time.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Couldnt he see this before picking two spinners who were spanked all over the park?

Poor from Kohli considering India has regularly produced home pitches to suit them.
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Should definitely have read that pitch better. My guess is he was responding more to the Morgsn/Bairstow drama earlier this week
 
Sin Nombre said:
They were brought in about 10 yards from what I have read.
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Yup, thats what I remember reading in cricinfo. Looks like that was deliberately done to neutralize the spinners.

Still doesn’t discount that Kohli should have realized this earlier & dropped a spinner
 
dildilpak said:
Should definitely have read that pitch better. My guess is he was responding more to the Morgsn/Bairstow drama earlier this week
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No bro, I heard him after the game saying it was very difficult for the spinners because of the shorter boundary.

Ravi Shastri didn't do his job, it's upto the coach to point out any advantages for the opposition and how his team can counter them. India should have played one spinner and another pacer, would have won the game since both spinners conceded nearly half of Englands runs.
 
dildilpak said:
Should definitely have read that pitch better. My guess is he was responding more to the Morgsn/Bairstow drama earlier this week
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On a bigger ground, England would have lost more wickets to the sort of shots they played agains the spinners. Given how Edgbaston played the last couple of matches at the WC, spin was expected to do well. England had better pitch knowledge because of Ashley Giles (the new head of English Cricket) as this is his home ground and he knows the curators well as he was their boss till recently.
 
dildilpak said:
Kohli at post-match presentation expressed surprise over how England - the hosts - got favourable playing conditions for their crucial encounter in Birmingham.

"It's a coincidence that it (boundry-line) just falls under the limitations of the shortest boundary you can have in the tournament. Quite bizarre on a flat pitch, it's the first time we are experiencing this. It's crazy that things fall in place like that randomly."

Discuss- Did ICC deliberately rig the playing conditions for this match to ensure victory for the hometeam?
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Wait a minute. India are meant to be kings of flat tracks, played on the same ground with the short boundary line and Kohli is still making out that ICC are favouring England?

No, this is a smoke screen, an attempt to divert the attention from India's lack of intent in today's match - for obvious reasons!
 
KI_playa said:
On a bigger ground, England would have lost more wickets to the sort of shots they played agains the spinners. Given how Edgbaston played the last couple of matches at the WC, spin was expected to do well. England had better pitch knowledge because of Ashley Giles (the new head of English Cricket) as this is his home ground and he knows the curators well as he was their boss till recently.
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Connections, how can you just shorten boundaries like that? The two other games didnt get the same.
 
KingKhanWC said:
No bro, I heard him after the game saying it was very difficult for the spinners because of the shorter boundary.

Ravi Shastri didn't do his job, it's upto the coach to point out any advantages for the opposition and how his team can counter them. India should have played one spinner and another pacer, would have won the game since both spinners conceded nearly half of Englands runs.
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Agreed, i said earlier in this thread too that India should have dropped a spinner.

But question remains whether ECB is deliberately doing this in response to Bairstow/Morgan comments last week & whether it will try their antics in the Eng-NZ game too to influence the outcome - after all these are supposed to be ICC curated pitches!
 
Technics 1210 said:
Wait a minute. India are meant to be kings of flat tracks, played on the same ground with the short boundary line and Kohli is still making out that ICC are favouring England?

No, this is a smoke screen, an attempt to divert the attention from India's lack of intent in today's match - for obvious reasons!
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Pakistan have a better batting lineup than India for very flat tracks.

India are good for 250-300 par pitches and grounds.
 
dildilpak said:
But question remains whether ECB is deliberately doing this in response to Bairstow/Morgan comments last week & whether it will try their antics in the Eng-NZ game too to influence the outcome - after all these are supposed to be ICC curated pitches!
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100%

mamoon and other English supporters will disagree obviously.
 
dildilpak said:
Agreed, i said earlier in this thread too that India should have dropped a spinner.

But question remains whether ECB is deliberately doing this in response to Bairstow/Morgan comments last week & whether it will try their antics in the Eng-NZ game too to influence the outcome - after all these are supposed to be ICC curated pitches!
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Dont think the pitch would matter much in the Eng vs NZ game. Both teams are very similar in lots of ways.
 
You guys played like a minnow on the same pitch and with the same boundary length. You deserved to lose.
 
gazza619 said:
Dont think the pitch would matter much in the Eng vs NZ game. Both teams are very similar in lots of ways.
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Have you read English media in the last week?

There was non stop complaining about how Edgbaston would favor Indian spinners and how Durham would help NZ swing bowling.
 
gazza619 said:
Dont think the pitch would matter much in the Eng vs NZ game. Both teams are very similar in lots of ways.
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A swinging wicket would suit NZ more than Eng & Durham traditionally has better swing. I am expecting ECB to interfere again.
 
Something wasn’t right with this match, a lot of strange things that can’t all be coincidence.

Ya Allah please Pak ko semis may pauncha dey.
 
Yet Kohli at one stage was something like 18 from 34...why couldnt super man batsman clear those same boundaries?
 
Why couldn't India hit sixes despite the short boundary? It was not like India didn't have access to short boundary when they batted.
 
dildilpak said:
Kohli at post-match presentation expressed surprise over how England - the hosts - got favourable playing conditions for their crucial encounter in Birmingham.

"It's a coincidence that it (boundry-line) just falls under the limitations of the shortest boundary you can have in the tournament. Quite bizarre on a flat pitch, it's the first time we are experiencing this. It's crazy that things fall in place like that randomly."

Discuss- Did ICC deliberately rig the playing conditions for this match to ensure victory for the hometeam?
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Hypocrisy at its finest...or he is just giving lame excuses at the (deliberately?) pathetic performance today?

Has Kohli forgotten the dust bowls and the square turners that BCCI prepares in test matches.... in which ball starts to take 90 degree right around lunch the first day .... and the test match gets decided on India's favor in @ 2.5 days.
 
W63L35 said:
Hypocrisy at its finest...or he is just giving lame excuses at the (deliberately?) pathetic performance today?

Has Kohli forgotten the dust bowls and the square turners that BCCI prepares in test matches.... in which ball starts to take 90 degree right around lunch the first day .... and the test match gets decided on India's favor in @ 2.5 days.
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You are right and Kohli is in the wrong here, but the example you are using imo is incorrect, as ICC prepares pitches for tournaments, England does already doctor pitches for tests but usually in ICC tourneys they don't have any say.
 
It's a good point, why did England all of a sudden get a fresh pitch
 
Pot calling another pot black. Kohli is such a classless person.
 
Flat pitch with a short boundary. Perfect for England’s FTBs. How can you play a major ICC event game with a boundary distance which is shorter than the limit set by ICC themselves? Made the game a bit of a joke.
 
barah_admi said:
Yet Kohli at one stage was something like 18 from 34...why couldnt super man batsman clear those same boundaries?
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sweep_shot said:
Why couldn't India hit sixes despite the short boundary? It was not like India didn't have access to short boundary when they batted.
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Repeating myself for the last time but England themselves weren't able to hit sixes off Bumrah and Shami.


Wristies on a non turning pitch were exposed to the short boundary.
 
Yes the pitch and the boundary length are the same for both teams but they are advantage England. Doesn't matter now that the game is done and dusted. However India will have an advantage. They will play against BD on the same ground and also the 2nd semi is on the same ground. They will have adapted well by then. They will pick Bhuvi instead of one of the spinners.
 
Boi said:
Flat pitch with a short boundary. Perfect for England’s FTBs. How can you play a major ICC event game with a boundary distance which is shorter than the limit set by ICC themselves? Made the game a bit of a joke.
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The min requirement is 59m.
 
It was a tactical move by Kohli to complain about it now so it won't be the case again during the SF I think. If England win against NZ, India will play Eng on the same ground in the 2nd SF
 
rhony said:
It was a tactical move by Kohli to complain about it now so it won't be the case again during the SF I think. If England win against NZ, India will play Eng on the same ground in the 2nd SF
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I doubt Kohli could have possibly thought that far ahead...
For one thing, the England New Zealand game is yet to take place
 
rhony said:
Yes the pitch and the boundary length are the same for both teams but they are advantage England. Doesn't matter now that the game is done and dusted. However India will have an advantage. They will play against BD on the same ground and also the 2nd semi is on the same ground. They will have adapted well by then. They will pick Bhuvi instead of one of the spinners.
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Will it be the same pitch too? If yes, then might make sense to go with 2 spinners. This pitch was already slowing down by the 2nd innings.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I doubt Kohli could have possibly thought that far ahead...
For one thing, the England New Zealand game is yet to take place
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India has one loss and one rained out game. They are going to play in the 2nd semi unless Aussies lose to Safers.
 
sweep_shot said:
Why couldn't India hit sixes despite the short boundary? It was not like India didn't have access to short boundary when they batted.
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It wasn't easy to make pace disappear in early overs. Even Shami and Bumrah weren't hit for much. It was only spinners being hit. India had two spinners and England had one which they didn't even use the full quota. So the short boundary clearly helped England.
 
dildilpak said:
Will it be the same pitch too? If yes, then might make sense to go with 2 spinners. This pitch was already slowing down by the 2nd innings.
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It was difficult to hit the seamers. Also the 59 m boundary is difficult to defend against spinners. England's best move was to bring Plunkett in for Moeen and he showed the value of cutters.
 
Get the sense Giles had a word with his former underlings to keep it short one side to nullify the spinners.
 
VK had every right to question the shortened boundary for this match. There was no reason to reduce the distance if it was fine for the previous matches.
 
rhony said:
India has one loss and one rained out game. They are going to play in the 2nd semi unless Aussies lose to Safers.
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You're insinuating that England qualifying for the semis is a sure thing. It isn't. Their next game is basically a do or die and NZ is a good side. Could go either way
 
The question people should be asking is why was the pitch this flat? It was very slow during the Pak-NZ game and eventhough I think they were playing on a new strip, there was nothing much in it for the bowers. It was basically the kind of pitch England love batting on.
 
It was a setup and India fell for it. Pitch was curated to suit England perfectly and boundary shortened to hurt Indian spin bowling. Just these tactics were the difference between the teams. That's why Kohli was unhappy. England was able to create very specific conditions that advantaged them tremendously.

That's not to say MSD/Kedar shouldn't have shown more intent. But India fell for the England trap in Edgbaston as ICC has little say about the pitch/ground conditions as they are handled by the host nation at the behest of ICC. Would the English curators, guided by Giles behind the scenes, curate a pitch suited to India in a must win game? They did what they had to do to help their team. That's all.
 
Look who is whining now.And people say he is mature and won't do such.Some one ask him why were his players shouldering arms when RR had reached 11.Fake person who has created this fake image of himself because of his PR team
 
It makes sense that some Paksitanis who're running riot last 12 hours will love him.

I have this conspiracy theory that birds of the same feather flock together.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Get the sense Giles had a word with his former underlings to keep it short one side to nullify the spinners.
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They could have done this by choosing a pitch farthest away from the center so that the boundary on one side is shortened. Now the question is did the ICC really have jurisdiction over the choice of pitch?
 
No Virat you threw the game, the conditions were excellent for you to have chased the total with ease...

May this fake losing translate into some real losing and your team gets knocked out in the Semis by this very same Eng side...
 
KI_playa said:
It was a setup and India fell for it. Pitch was curated to suit England perfectly and boundary shortened to hurt Indian spin bowling. Just these tactics were the difference between the teams. That's why Kohli was unhappy. England was able to create very specific conditions that advantaged them tremendously.

That's not to say MSD/Kedar shouldn't have shown more intent. But India fell for the England trap in Edgbaston as ICC has little say about the pitch/ground conditions as they are handled by the host nation at the behest of ICC. Would the English curators, guided by Giles behind the scenes, curate a pitch suited to India in a must win game? They did what they had to do to help their team. That's all.
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What elaborate nonsense to keep up the ruse..
 
TOo bad India lost Dhawan. India would have gunned this down if we had had him. Dhawan has been an important of all 300 plus successful chases along with Kohli and Rohit . This KL Rahul was a confused idiot struggling against a bowler like Woakes. Inspite of all the inadequacies India needed only 104 in the last 10. Two jokers down the order made sure this we finished with a wimp.
 
Zhasan said:
No Virat you threw the game, the conditions were excellent for you to have chased the total with ease...

May this fake losing translate into some real losing and your team gets knocked out in the Semis by this very same Eng side...
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Not gonna happen. This is just a way of ICC organizers to ensure England is staying the race. IT is all about TV ad revenue. They won't get similar pitch in the semis. INfact i can't wait for India to avenge this loss.
 
Red Devil said:
What about them? Pitches were pretty much the same throughout the tournament for all teams in 2011 and 2015.
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yup. You didn't see pitches having 59 meter boundary on one side and 80 meter on the other side. This was a designer pitch for making sure England qualifies. Pretty sure they will get one more pitch like that against NZ.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
yup. You didn't see pitches having 59 meter boundary on one side and 80 meter on the other side. This was a designer pitch for making sure England qualifies. Pretty sure they will get one more pitch like that against NZ.
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And we got a pitch that was turning square against Afghani spinners. :))
 
Zhasan said:
What elaborate nonsense to keep up the ruse..
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If Kohli wanted to throw the match away he and Rohit would have thrown their wickets before India reached 50. At the 35th over mark, India had pretty much the same score as England had at that point. The match wasn't lost till then. Hardik was playing fine. The bottling was by Kedar and MSD. Anyhow, when the no. 1 and no. 2 teams are competing in an important match such things like pitch and boundary are not small matters. They can create meaningful difference in outcomes. Mishits going for 6s when they could have been out if the boundaries had been usual length. This is not a ruse.
 
I desperately want India to face this one-dimensional team once more in the WC. If not us Australia who can put these guys away. I bet they will come up with a turner against Australia. But too bad they don't have a decent spinner to use that. Watch the fun. If only India had gone with Bhuvi instead of Chahal game would have been different. All change up bowlers were successful y day.
 
not at all sensible of Kohli to come up with such remarks. If that was the case he should have played another medium pacer instead of a spinner . Even left armer Jadeja should have been considered if he had such concerns before the match. Would blame 2 people for the loss. Incompetent mental midget Rahul & Kohli( once settled, he should have stayed a bit more overs and accelerated the scoring) himself & of course that dumb *** ***** Shastri who is just a cheerleader out there
 
Conditions were same for both the teams yet India only managed to hit 1 six vs england's 13. Total 60 runs lesser in boundaries compared to england.
They played cowardly cricket in last 6-7 overs instead of talking about that kohli is taking about ground dimensions here.
 
Chokli said:
It's a good point, why did England all of a sudden get a fresh pitch
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Because the wicket was already used for 2 matches. If they played 3rd match on it it would have behaved like slow test match wicket.
 
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