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Virat Kohli stats when batting first in ODIs

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I was just asking myself should we give credit to Kohli for not scoring that much when his team is batting first? like people here say scoring in chases is what matters and Amla type batsmen can't win you matches because they can' give you finishing touch in chases that's why we should appreciate Kohli who always show up in chases but don't bother scoring when his team is bating first.

Kohli average 37 when batting first and his strike rate drops to 85

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Dhawan Rohit Dhoni all got much better averages than Kohli when batting first even Jadeja got similar average like Kohli but a better strike rate than kohli
 
Wow he is great against Bangladesh, and that in a pressure game, that was world cup. Best in the world!
 
Wow he is great against Bangladesh, and that in a pressure game, that was world cup. Best in the world!

His average of 166 against BD came against a great bowling lineup, the pitches were also very difficult to bat on, it was also a pressure situation. Again, his average of 82 against west indies came against great bowlers and on bowling friendly pitches.
 
Wow he is great against Bangladesh, and that in a pressure game, that was world cup. Best in the world!

He even struggle against his fav lanka when batting first but some people think batting first and setting up a total is nothing and it;s just a cake of piece everyone can eat. I find nothing in his batting first stats except some phainta to bangaldesh and windies (mostly at home)
 
He is not good enough in first innings and that's it..he has it in him to score but never manages to get around it.
 
His average of 166 against BD came against a great bowling lineup, the pitches were also very difficult to bat on, it was also a pressure situation. Again, his average of 82 against west indies came against great bowlers and on bowling friendly pitches.

Marshal, Garner and Ambrose retired right after that phainta right?
 
Lol some PPers don't like Sachin coz he is only good in first innings some don't like Virat coz he is only good in 2nd innings.
 
Wow he is great against Bangladesh, and that in a pressure game, that was world cup. Best in the world!

The other match against them in the Asia Cup (Sachin's Hundredth hundred game), he was plumb lbw second ball, not given and managed to score 66.
 
Obviously not. Batting first, especially in the top order, is a lot more difficult on some pitches than batting second. You have to face the most bowler friendly conditions and have to decide what a good total would be on a particular pitch.

Kohli's weakness against swing bowling keeps getting dragged out into the open with these stats.
 
Wonder if there were any games in this list where the situation demanded Kohli to score runs? Probably not according to some individuals.
 
Amla is a good batsmen no one doubts that but its all about impact in ODI and i find ABD now or Lance from prev SA team having more of an impact than him.
I found Pollock good too but never thought he could turn a match like Lance or Donald.
 
Some people's obsession with Amla reaches new levels every day.... What does SA and klusener have to do with this thread? how about we stay on topic with Sir Don Kohli and not a "mediocre" batsman.
 
Amla is a good batsmen no one doubts that but its all about impact in ODI and i find ABD now or Lance from prev SA team having more of an impact than him.
I found Pollock good too but never thought he could turn a match like Lance or Donald.

Amla was mentioned in the thread if you missed on that :|
 
What I've learned from these threads is some people are almost "willing" Kohli to fail so they can open such threads and waiting for Amla to succeed so they can open "some other threads".

Both are good players and that's that.

Amla is slightly better for opening and performing in all pitches.

But it could all change, and maybe it won't.

No need to downplay one to elevate another.
 
What I've learned from these threads is some people are almost "willing" Kohli to fail so they can open such threads and waiting for Amla to succeed so they can open "some other threads".

Both are good players and that's that.

Amla is slightly better for opening and performing in all pitches.

But it could all change, and maybe it won't.

No need to downplay one to elevate another.

i just asked an genuine innocent question doc about his failure in first innings just like you asked a question about amir return
 
Every situation demands you to score runs, and Kohli hasn't done well in first innings. No two ways about it.

But the question is, who would you back to come good in a high pressure game?

Who would you back to chase down 300+?

Who would you back to chase down 320 inside 40 overs to keep his team in the competition?

Who would you back in a World T20 Semi Final to score a match winning 70, chasing 170 against Steyn and co?

Who would you back to score an unbeaten 43 in a 20 over CT Final, dragging his team out of 60-5 to a competitive total?

For all the above, I'd pick Kohli.

For everything else, including bottling 30 from 30 balls and catching thin air in the penultimate over, there's Hashim Amla bhai.
 
Every situation demands you to score runs, and Kohli hasn't done well in first innings. No two ways about it.

But the question is, who would you back to come good in a high pressure game?

Who would you back to chase down 300+?

Who would you back to chase down 320 inside 40 overs to keep his team in the competition?

Who would you back in a World T20 Semi Final to score a match winning 70, chasing 170 against Steyn and co?

Who would you back to score an unbeaten 43 in a 20 over CT Final, dragging his team out of 60-5 to a competitive total?

For all the above, I'd pick Kohli.

For everything else, including bottling 30 from 30 balls and catching thin air in the penultimate over, there's Hashim Amla bhai.


A lot of people will actually pick "Amla" for chasing 320 in 40 overs.

And they genuinely will believe that "Amla" is a better pick for such targets.
 
i just asked an genuine innocent question doc about his failure in first innings just like you asked a question about amir return

If it was so innocent, why are there trolls ready to dismiss him and hype up Amla in this same very thread...
 
If it was so innocent, why are there trolls ready to dismiss him and hype up Amla in this same very thread...

Mamoon ke dukhti rag pay hath rakh k opar se aap keh rahay ho you asked an innocent question. And whole world already know that kohli is a proven failure in first innings.
 
A lot of people will actually pick "Amla" for chasing 320 in 40 overs.

And they genuinely will believe that "Amla" is a better pick for such targets.

And there's an excuse for every failure.

Got a beauty from Ashwin (who is normally a crap bowler)

Got a beauty from Finn

Got unlucky when he edged the ball onto his boot

Insert [XYZ]
 
Every situation demands you to score runs, and Kohli hasn't done well in first innings. No two ways about it.

But the question is, who would you back to come good in a high pressure game?

Who would you back to chase down 300+?

Who would you back to chase down 320 inside 40 overs to keep his team in the competition?

Who would you back in a World T20 Semi Final to score a match winning 70, chasing 170 against Steyn and co?

Who would you back to score an unbeaten 43 in a 20 over CT Final, dragging his team out of 60-5 to a competitive total?

For all the above, I'd pick Kohli.

For everything else, including bottling 30 from 30 balls and catching thin air in the penultimate over, there's Hashim Amla bhai.

He usually plays like a genius in 2nd innings,.however, his record in first innings is a matter of conjecture.suppose, in a quarter final match, india are put into bat, now if kohli fails,couldnt it insinuate that he doesnt mettle of setting a total for his bowlers
 
^ Ajmal was bowling superbly, no Amla bhai's fault.

Watched that over again, nothing special. Just him bottling.

No one is to be blamed for him imitating someone trying to swat a fly in midair.
 
He usually plays like a genius in 2nd innings,.however, his record in first innings is a matter of conjecture.suppose, in a quarter final match, india are put into bat, now if kohli fails,couldnt it insinuate that he doesnt mettle of setting a total for his bowlers

You are 100% correct.

He has to improve his game in the first innings, its a clear shortcoming.

However, when it comes to Amla bhai flopping in every ICC event or failing to guide SA in big chases, there are a gazillion excuses.
 
But but but... its easy batting 1st there is no pressure.
How many hundreds and how many matches has Kohli won away from home, outside Asia to be exact?
And what's his average per country?
 
And I am more interested in matches played in and against England, SA, Australia and NZ.
Remember Kohli is the best finisher and chaser of all time and the best thing since sliced bread.
How has he won matches chasing, should not be difficult for this all time great.
 
Obviously not. Batting first, especially in the top order, is a lot more difficult on some pitches than batting second. You have to face the most bowler friendly conditions and have to decide what a good total would be on a particular pitch.

Kohli's weakness against swing bowling keeps getting dragged out into the open with these stats.

Did you just say or insinuate batting 1st has some difficulties?
No ways, batting 1st is a woman's breakfast, I'm sure someone can support this theory.
 
Quite right Kohli has failed in the first innings.

But where are Amla bhai's match winning hundreds while chasing big targets?

Oh no, he barely has to deal with scoreboard pressure. He has the luxury of playing for South Africa and also has the luxury of facing the Indian attack, unlike Kohli.

When he had to deal with scoreboard pressure, he couldn't chase 30 in 30 balls.
 
Quite right Kohli has failed in the first innings.

But where are Amla bhai's match winning hundreds while chasing big targets?

Oh no, he barely has to deal with scoreboard pressure. He has the luxury of playing for South Africa and also has the luxury of facing the Indian attack, unlike Kohli.

When he had to deal with scoreboard pressure, he couldn't chase 30 in 30 balls.

Mate you're becoming a broken record with that 30 in 30 balls. Yes he flopped in that match and there should be no excuses. But getting fixated on a solitary match as a basis for your argument is poor from you.
 
Where are my stats? Don't want petty discussions.

Amla bhai stats are in the other thread, where his average drops to 30s against good attacks in tough conditions, that too without facing South Africa.
 
Mate you're becoming a broken record with that 30 in 30 balls. Yes he flopped in that match and there should be no excuses. But getting fixated on a solitary match as a basis for your argument is poor from you.

Not a solitary match.

He's not capable of producing a match winning innings while chasing a big total because he is not an impact player, and is one paced.

Brilliant anchor, but he's always banking on someone else to grab the game by the scruff of its neck.

Also, the fact that he doesn't get to play against South Africa is a big luxury that he enjoys.
 
Not a solitary match.

He's not capable of producing a match winning innings while chasing a big total because he is not an impact player, and is one paced.

Brilliant anchor, but he's always banking on someone else to grab the game by the scruff of its neck.

Also, the fact that he doesn't get to play against South Africa is a big luxury that he enjoys.

The way I see it most batsman have their limitations. I don't think anyone has called him the best all round batsman for all situations. He has a role in the team and he executes it better than anyone else. I get that he will never chase 300+ single handedly but that's not what is expected of him. If he scores a run a ball hundred the rest of the batsman should be able to attack around him.
 
Best ODI batsman in the world, better than the mediocre AB. Showed his class today in a knockout match.
 
Not a solitary match.

He's not capable of producing a match winning innings while chasing a big total because he is not an impact player, and is one paced.

Brilliant anchor, but he's always banking on someone else to grab the game by the scruff of its neck.

Also, the fact that he doesn't get to play against South Africa is a big luxury that he enjoys.

Nobody criticised Hayden or whoever from the Australian team, for not having to play against Australia. Poor excuse, try again.
 
today it was a clutch situation

a knockout potentially

a must win

but HEY INDIA WAS NOT CHASING so no kohli did not need to do anything today, he just had to show up and look angry and he did that to perfection

kohli THE GREATEST:kohli
 
Some eye opening stats these I knew he was not as good batting first but I thought he would be averaging 44,45.This is a poor record by his standards.People here should stop comparing him with other batsman and stop glorifying one by degrading other both are excellent batsman in their specific roles and both have their own shortcomings.
 
Every situation demands you to score runs, and Kohli hasn't done well in first innings. No two ways about it.

But the question is, who would you back to come good in a high pressure game?

Who would you back to chase down 300+?

Who would you back to chase down 320 inside 40 overs to keep his team in the competition?

Who would you back in a World T20 Semi Final to score a match winning 70, chasing 170 against Steyn and co?

Who would you back to score an unbeaten 43 in a 20 over CT Final, dragging his team out of 60-5 to a competitive total?

For all the above, I'd pick Kohli.

For everything else, including bottling 30 from 30 balls and catching thin air in the penultimate over, there's Hashim Amla bhai.

Some morons like you never realize where the distinction lies, amla is slightly better than kohli in odi's, amla is miles just miles ahead of kohli in tests and yet, when you look at one he's full of grace and dignity an inspiration for kids the other foul mouthed, abusive, hothead can never ever be a role model for kids and then it makes you think, had kohli matched amla or bettered him how worse could he behave...
 
And precisely in overseas condition his avg is very very low while batting first..
and talking about Amla, he is far ahead than Kohli.
 
Can't even score against Afghanistan batting first kohli should only bat in second innings :P
 
He deserves credit for not bashing minnows, otherwise this thread would have been bumped to suggest that he can only score against weak attacks, and is back among the runs after failing against Australia and England.

Few fingers would have been itching for that, good on him for not presenting them with the opportunity.
 
Someone look really hurt from inside i can smell there is something burning what is it
 
Even a decent 30 against the minnows would have been welcomed at this point. Sohail Khan must be licking his chops! :irfan
 
Only highlighting a fact which you couldn't respond to, and came up with the run-of-the-mill burning jibe that has been used around a billion times before. If you want to cop out, trying something original at least.
 
I think chasing is easier then batting first, u have an imaginary innings to follow rather than having to bat unreasonably.virat understands/knows his role(approach towards batting) while batting first he is most probably unaware of his role.300+ is not easy to chase but if you go with required rate u will win it easily . some fools compare him with kohli just bcoz of slogging, every team wants a batsman who can negotiate the new ball and provide a good start on which the likes of kohli and Abcd than capitalise so for me amla is much better than both . Don't forget he also strikes it around 90 so he puts the foundation of every miracles to that follows.
 
I think chasing is easier then batting first, u have an imaginary innings to follow rather than having to bat unreasonably.virat understands/knows his role(approach towards batting) while batting first he is most probably unaware of his role.300+ is not easy to chase but if you go with required rate u will win it easily . some fools compare him with kohli just bcoz of slogging, every team wants a batsman who can negotiate the new ball and provide a good start on which the likes of kohli and Abcd than capitalise so for me amla is much better than both . Don't forget he also strikes it around 90 so he puts the foundation of every miracles to that follows.
Sorry it is understands his role while chasing and I mean people r comparing him with amla which is foolish.
 
I think chasing is easier then batting first, u have an imaginary innings to follow rather than having to bat unreasonably.virat understands/knows his role(approach towards batting) while batting first he is most probably unaware of his role.300+ is not easy to chase but if you go with required rate u will win it easily . some fools compare him with kohli just bcoz of slogging, every team wants a batsman who can negotiate the new ball and provide a good start on which the likes of kohli and Abcd than capitalise so for me amla is much better than both . Don't forget he also strikes it around 90 so he puts the foundation of every miracles to that follows.

In ODIs till date, 487 300+ scores have been made by all teams put together. Of these, 300 was made only 85 times by the team batting second. Care to explain why? A team batting first and making 300+ has won the match 347 times out of 402 matches, which is 86%. It should be obvious why 300+ score is easier to make while batting first. Chasing 300 successfully occurs only with 1/6 probability in cricket. If big chases were easy, then these chases should be happening with probability 1/2, but we are no where near that. Chasing is easy only when faced with targets less than 250.
 
I find myself in a similar spot. When I chase I have a better understanding. Even when wickets fall I know I have to play at a certain rate. That is possibly the same thing with Kohli. Now when I bat first, I first think of a target to set. Most of the times I have to revise that during the game due to the pressure or the fall of wickets. And in that process I lose my wicket. I don't know if this is the case with Kohli or not, but this is a possibility.
 
In ODIs till date, 487 300+ scores have been made by all teams put together. Of these, 300 was made only 85 times by the team batting second. Care to explain why? A team batting first and making 300+ has won the match 347 times out of 402 matches, which is 86%. It should be obvious why 300+ score is easier to make while batting first. Chasing 300 successfully occurs only with 1/6 probability in cricket. If big chases were easy, then these chases should be happening with probability 1/2, but we are no where near that. Chasing is easy only when faced with targets less than 250.
Baby it is easy with new rules, u have always one side of the ground to hit though also the kind of phattas cricket is being played on makes it even easier.
U seem to be a big stats fan so come up with an innings kohli played in testing conditions against quality bowlers while chasing.he is the king of phattas.
Tell me how many times teams have won after posting 300 since change in rules particularly changes in field restrictions.i think I should be 70% matches won by chasing team.
 
He deserves credit for not bashing minnows, otherwise this thread would have been bumped to suggest that he can only score against weak attacks, and is back among the runs after failing against Australia and England.

Few fingers would have been itching for that, good on him for not presenting them with the opportunity.

That's poor.
 
He deserves credit for not bashing minnows, otherwise this thread would have been bumped to suggest that he can only score against weak attacks, and is back among the runs after failing against Australia and England.

Few fingers would have been itching for that, good on him for not presenting them with the opportunity.

That's poor. Smacks of self preservation.
 
Setting a target is tough for Kohli because even 350 is not enough for our trundlers. Sometimes, India play on a pitch with a par score of 250, but because of our poor bowling, Kohli tries to go for a a 350 target, resulting in his downfall.
 
This guy's been playing international cricket for nearly 7 years now ? wow
 
supporters of a team which cannot chase 200 on most days arguing that batting first is the most difficult thing in the world .

For last 10 years I have seen ppers arguing Sachin was not a match winner since he wasnt good chasing .

How things change
 
Baby it is easy with new rules, u have always one side of the ground to hit though also the kind of phattas cricket is being played on makes it even easier.
U seem to be a big stats fan so come up with an innings kohli played in testing conditions against quality bowlers while chasing.he is the king of phattas.
Tell me how many times teams have won after posting 300 since change in rules particularly changes in field restrictions.i think I should be 70% matches won by chasing team.

:)

Last 10 years:
300's in both innings: 304
300s by team batting first: 244
300s defended successfully: 202/244 = 83%

Last 5 years:
300's in both innings: 137
300s by team batting first: 108
300s defended successfully: 85/108 = 79%

Last 2 years:
300's in both innings: 69
300s by team batting first: 56
300s defended successfully: 45/56 = 80%

Last 12 months
300's in both innings: 30
300s by team batting first: 27
300s defended successfully: 24/27 = 89%

It must be evident that 300s were, are, will be difficult to chase for the foreseeable future. The first batting side makes 300 score once every three innings, while the second batting side makes 300 once every twelve innings. The first batting side also defends 300s 80-90% of the time, whatever time frame you want to be happy with.

Chasing is always hard when the target is huge. Setting up and defending big targets are much easier compared to chasing tall scores. History is proof.
 
No ways, batting 1st is a woman's breakfast, I'm sure someone can support this theory.
Answer is Sachin Tendulkar. According to some fans his centuries in first innings were scored without any pressure. A win win situation for indian fans actually on one hand they can put sachin's 1st innings scores and on the other hand kohli's scores while chasing. Now you can choose whoever you like. :misbah
 
Kohli as a captain will always like to chase after winning the toss if what his records are suggesting. :kohli
 
I don't buy any of this rubbish about batting first being harder or anything, but it seems that Kohli does not feel the pressure of a chase at all. Therefore all he has to focus on is how to pace his innings in order to get there. Batting first, on the other hand is more difficult for him because there is no set target in mind so he may have to rethink end goals, etc. He performs better when there is a set target to focus on. Simple as that, really. A very valuable trait to have for any team since it's normally the other way around. Just an anomaly.
 
I'm sure the OP had kept this thread open and was itching to click on post. Quite likely he typed his post down beforehand in order to not waste any time typing.

Any comments today? Surprised this hasn't been bumped.

Big players rise on big occasions, and he is a big player. Proved it again today.
 
I dont rate many innings batting first . Virat infact played a Amla like innings today .
Such innings can be played by any good batsmen .
Raina was the MoM for me .
 
[MENTION=74271]O[/MENTION]P For your brilliant effort in making the OP. I think you deserve a bite of this..

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I dont rate many innings batting first . Virat infact played a Amla like innings today .
Such innings can be played by any good batsmen .
Raina was the MoM for me .

This was one of his weak hundreds, and Raina was the MOM for me, but what I liked about his innings today was that in spite of being in poor touch, he found a way to rise to the occasion in a high pressure game.

On the contrary, a certain someone in the form of his life failed against Zimbabwe.
 
you opened this thread right & you are cothers of moaning ?

I am just saying it to the one who posted above me not anyone else. He is frustrated because of Pakistan defeat and his predictions of Pakistan ending the streak from last 1 year didnt come true i have seen him finding reasons to shout on me from last few hours on PP during and after this match he need to go out and cry somewhere else to release his frustration or open some bhai bhai threads and bump them maybe that will help him.
 
An absolute beast. Soon, he'll put this stat to rest too. Top innings today.
 
Carry on you moaning it will help release your frustration.

I can only imagine your frustration today.

Kohli owned you and Amla bhai failed against Zimbabwe.

You are already behind in that bet you had with someone here, don't recall now. I guess Electron?

Don't worry, some minnow bashing coming Amla bhai's way in the future, and we are likely to help his cause as well.
 
A certain someone need to bump some bhai bhai threads to release his frustration that will help him or he can go out and cry.
 
I don't know why they guy seek attention so much i keep on telling him dont quote me ot talk to me directly or indirectly but he can;t stay away. I can feel for him some cheap attention seeking attempts. Carry on kiddo
 
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