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Virat Kohli versus Steve Smith - Tests

JattMaula said:
One decent tour and cheerleaders are out and about. Smith was going strong on almost every tour and in any conditions. Kohli has just started to perform at acceptance level.
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:))) :))) Weren't you claiming before the tour that Kohli will fail with the bat? Or has the goal post now shifted to only matches that India has/will win?
 
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JattMaula said:
One decent tour and cheerleaders are out and about. Smith was going strong on almost every tour and in any conditions. Kholi has just started to perform at acceptance level.
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One Decent tour ?
440 runs in 3 test match is decent ?
and yes he failed big time in south africa
 
JattMaula said:
He has done decently. Lady Luck has helped.
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Yea, 440 runs in 3 Tests is being decent, while the next highest scorer in the series is down at 206 runs. BTW, wasn't it your prediction that he would flop in the series?
 
No one knows how well Smith will perform after his ban ends. He was anyways getting diminishing returns in his last series.
 
This last 6 test streak of Kohli has been simply fantastic though. Like a Greatest Hits collection for an ATG batsman.
 
Hitman said:
Yea, 440 runs in 3 Tests is being decent, while the next highest scorer in the series is down at 206 runs. BTW, wasn't it your prediction that he would flop in the series?
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Yes I predicted that he would be humiliated once again.
 
Brodipet_baadshah said:
440 runs in 3matches is a Decent performance ? Nd u r attributing this to Lady luck??? Plz do watch some cricket matches rather than saas bahuu daily soaps 😂😂
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But the the soaps are so much fun.

And I said that luck helped him. I'm attributing his opening century to it.
 
JattMaula said:
One decent tour and cheerleaders are out and about. Smith was going strong on almost every tour and in any conditions. Kohli has just started to perform at acceptance level.
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Totally agree. Before he started to perform at "acceptance" level, he had played 60 odd tests and scored at a meagerly 50+ average.
He has to score 1 century per innings to be acceptable.
Long way to go. I am with you on that.
 
It is funny to check the stats of both the players. Smith Averages in 40's in every country except for India, New Zealand, West Indies and off course at home. Smith averages under 40 in only one country.

Kohli averages under 40 in 3 countries (Bangladesh, West Indies and England). I expect Kohli to go past 40 in England at the end of this series. So the records of both the players is not that dissimilar. Smith's average is hugely inflated by his 130+ average in West Indies, 130+ average in New Zealand (just 3 innings) and 77 average at home. He has average in early 40's in all other countries he has played in. So there isn't too much of a difference between the two if you actually think about it.
 
Nothing is certain in cricket.

Just about a year ago, Steve Smith was the next Bradman after demolishing England with 690 runs at home and 500 in India.

Then in seemingly a haze; he lost the captaincy, his place in the team, and respect and adulation of millions.

Kohli on the other hand, has come back stronger after a weak home series against Smith’s Australia and nearly led his side to a win in SA and are currently giving England a fight.

Time will tell where they end up but right now, it’s beckoning greater omens for Kohli than Smith. The latter might never be the same caliber of a player he was prior to his ban. :amir
 
ManFan said:
Nothing is certain in cricket.

Just about a year ago, Steve Smith was the next Bradman after demolishing England with 690 runs at home and 500 in India.

Then in seemingly a haze; he lost the captaincy, his place in the team, and respect and adulation of millions.

Kohli on the other hand, has come back stronger after a weak home series against Smith’s Australia and nearly led his side to a win in SA and are currently giving England a fight.

Time will tell where they end up but right now, it’s beckoning greater omens for Kohli than Smith. The latter might never be the same caliber of a player he was prior to his ban. :amir
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Nah Cricket fans have very short-term memories.. And besides, Kohli doesn't have a great reputation outside of batting antics due to his Trump like persona either..
 
lol at the thought that people will forget what a cheat like Smith did and that Kohli has a comparable reputation.

Unlike Smith, Kohli plays fair and square and hasn't systematically ingrained cheating in his team.
 
Whenever these 2 will be discussed, there will always be a big black mark over Smith's head while so far Kohli is absolutely clean. Its a joke to put them in 1 sentence while discussing their non cricketing credentials.
 
No doubt in the last 4 years, Smith was absolutely phenomenal with the bat in tests but I think Kohli is on an altogether different league now when you consider all formats.

They are comparable in tests but Kohli is light year ahead in LOs.

Just for example,in tests, Gavaskar and Chappell were comparable to Viv but Viv was so far ahead in ODIs that when it comes to that era, Viv is the first name that people talk about, and that is we are talking about 70s-80s when ODIs didnt really mattered much. Today is a different story altogether.
 
Hitman said:
Not at all. Here is your exact post -



How about that?
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So? I said he will fail and English will finally win a test after a year. I was half right.

And people who are mentioning Smith's multiple criminal activities and systematic cheating to undermine his batting prowess should be ashamed of themselves.
 
JattMaula said:
So? I said he will fail and English will finally win a test after a year. I was half right.
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My point was solely about your prediction of Kohli failing. I'm simply not interested in any other prediction you made.

JattMaula said:
And people who are mentioning Smith's multiple criminal activities and systematic cheating to undermine his batting prowess should be ashamed of themselves.
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Why exactly? Is it because you have no way to back Smith over Kohli in this case? It's not those people who did those things, Smith did them. So why should people be ashamed of calling spade a spade?
 
JattMaula said:
So? I said he will fail and English will finally win a test after a year. I was half right.

And people who are mentioning Smith's multiple criminal activities and systematic cheating to undermine his batting prowess should be ashamed of themselves.
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similarly daily soap ppl who has no idea abt cricket and attributes player’s success to lady/kid luck should be ashamed of themselves as well...isn’t it?
 
Hitman said:
My point was solely about your prediction of Kohli failing. I'm simply not interested in any other prediction you made.



Why exactly? Is it because you have no way to back Smith over Kohli in this case? It's not those people who did those things, Smith did them. So why should people be ashamed of calling spade a spade?
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I admitted that kholi has done decent job until now with batting.

People should be ashamed of shaming smith cause he is part of system that made him do all those despicable things. He is a victim.
 
JattMaula said:
People should be ashamed of shaming smith cause he is part of system that made him do all those despicable things. He is a victim.
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You sound like the people who say "it was the woman's fault for wearing provocative clothing".
 
To see Smith being painted victim is hilarious to say the least.

He has to share most blame considering he was the leader of the group and the cheating just couldn't have happened without his full support.
 
It will be interesting to see how the run machine in Tests Steven Smith makes his comeback in England in the Ashes. Will be interesting to see if he's still got it.
 
Can’t wait to see Test cricket again...

The red-ball game is completely different than the LO’s game.

Smith has a chance to cement his legacy if he wins Australia another WC and the Ashes.
 
In tests Smith is in league with Sachin and Lara. He has performed everywhere and is better bat than Kohli in everything other than bilateral LOI's.
 
Smith easily beats Kohli in Test. Kohli never truly dominated in Test like he did in ODI.
 
I don't think these two cricketers can be compared as one plays on bit slow tracks and one plays on fast and bouncy tracks. Both of them are gems, but hence in tests Smith has got a slight edge over Kohli.
 
Smith once again reclaims his title as the King of Tests with his first innings back. What a player!
 
Smith's test superiority has never been in doubt. It is in ODIs that he is far off. Avg:ing 41.41 when 50 is the standard of greatness , that to with too much abroad-home disparity .He is a 'hand eye coordination player' ,so it has to be seen whether he can keep on this performances with aging reflexes.Smith is a no body in T20s(though very less weightage) too comes into play

The race is interesting.
As of now Kohli, Smith, Kane, Root in that order.
 
SMith is a grittier player than Kohli. Kohli can buckle down and play. But not the same level of grit you see with Smith. Smith has this unique technique that works only for him. Kohli is a lot more conventional player. Smith may not be an eye-catching stroke player like Kohli. But an invaluable player in the mould of Steve Waugh.
 
This innings is simlar to kohlis 149 at edgbaston except that he was dropped twice.
Smith is a better test batsman.
 
Can we please delete this thread forever. Kohli doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as Smith. It's an insult to the latter.
 
sweep_shot said:
Smith easily beats Kohli in Test. Kohli never truly dominated in Test like he did in ODI.
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When did Kohli dominate in ODIs? He's a flat track run machine and can't hold the bat in any tough conditions. He's a disgrace to the game of cricket.
 
Steve Smith Overtakes Virat Kohli, Sachin Tendulkar With 24th Test Century

Steve Smith, who served a 12-month ban for his role in the ball-tampering scandal in South Africa last year, marked his return to Test cricket with a gritty century to rescue Australia on the opening day of the Ashes series at Edgbaston on Thursday. Australia were reeling at 122/8 against England but Smith defied all odds to take the visitors' total to 284. Smith scored 144 runs to bring up his 24th Test century in 118 innings and became the second fastest batsman to do so. Only Donald Bradman got his 24th century in fewer innings (66). Virat Kohli and Sachin Tendulkar took 123 and 125 innings respectively.

Smith is now equal with Greg Chappell, Viv Richards and Mohammad Yousuf on 24 Test centuries. Only six Australia batsmen have more Test centuries now.

Moreover, Smith has scored nine centuries in 42 innings and averages over 60 in the Ashes. Five of the nine hundreds have come in the last seven Ashes Tests.

The former Australia captain, ignoring the repeated boos of the crowd, said he had contemplated the end of his career after the infamous scandal in South Africa.

"There were times throughout the last 15 months where I didn't know if I was ever going to play cricket again," Smith said after his masterful knock.

Smith's near six-hour innings was a chanceless affair until Stuart Broad eventually bowled him.

The England pacer claimed his 100th Test wicket against Australia, completing an innings haul of 5/86.

At stumps, England were 10/0 with openers Jason Roy (6) and Rory Burns (4) surviving the final two overs of the first day.

https://sports.ndtv.com/ashes-2019/...chin-tendulkar-with-24th-test-century-2079214
 
Ram Shekhar said:
When did Kohli dominate in ODIs? He's a flat track run machine and can't hold the bat in any tough conditions. He's a disgrace to the game of cricket.
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He's the best ever ODI batsmen for bilaterals. GOAT of bilaterals. However for tournaments he is in third or fourth tier behind Williamson, Smith from his generation.

As an overall ODI batsmen he will probably just be an ATG but media hype will turn him into a GOAT by over spamming his bilateral records throughout sports channels. Documentaries will be made where everyone will say he is a great batsmen and such documentaries will be used to brainwash the public into believing he was a better batsmen than he actually was.

That's the power of media.
 
big_gamer007 said:
He's the best ever ODI batsmen for bilaterals. GOAT of bilaterals. However for tournaments he is in third or fourth tier behind Williamson, Smith from his generation.

As an overall ODI batsmen he will probably just be an ATG but media hype will turn him into a GOAT by over spamming his bilateral records throughout sports channels. Documentaries will be made where everyone will say he is a great batsmen and such documentaries will be used to brainwash the public into believing he was a better batsmen than he actually was.

That's the power of media.
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Not a fan of Kohli but comparing Kohli with Smith who avg 42 is wrong. People are talking like he failed miserably when he scored back to back 5 50's. Even in worldcup Smith scored less runs than Kohli. If performing in worldcup alone matters then Shakib Al Hasan will be a better batsman than Kane, root, smith.
 
Pk716 said:
Not a fan of Kohli but comparing Kohli with Smith who avg 42 is wrong. People are talking like he failed miserably when he scored back to back 5 50's. Even in worldcup Smith scored less runs than Kohli. If performing in worldcup alone matters then Shakib Al Hasan will be a better batsman than Kane, root, smith.
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I already mentioned he's best ever in bilaterals. That's no small feat and he deserves all the credit for being the best ever in bilaterals which form 90% of modern day ODI.

However in tournaments he is very average. Smith has had a stupendous WC 2015 already. Williamson had 2019. So they are ahead of Kohli in tournaments.

Overall Kohli will still be slightly better than them in ODIs considering Tournaments > bilaterals however kohlis bilateral >>> Smith/Williamson bilaterals.

However Kohli will be nowhere in the league's of SRT, Viv or Ponting. He will finish a league below them overall.
 
big_gamer007 said:
I already mentioned he's best ever in bilaterals. That's no small feat and he deserves all the credit for being the best ever in bilaterals which form 90% of modern day ODI.

However in tournaments he is very average. Smith has had a stupendous WC 2015 already. Williamson had 2019. So they are ahead of Kohli in tournaments.

Overall Kohli will still be slightly better than them in ODIs considering Tournaments > bilaterals however kohlis bilateral >>> Smith/Williamson bilaterals.

However Kohli will be nowhere in the league's of SRT, Viv or Ponting. He will finish a league below them overall.
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Agreed.He is still not at the level in tourments to be compared with Sachin, Viv. But, he still has time to prove himself in the next big tournaments like CT, WC 2023. One thing that bothers me is when people rate tournaments so high why don't they rate Shikar dhawan higher than root and Kane. I think his tournament avg is better than them . He isn't bad in bilaterals either.
 
My fellow Indians are a little too harsh on Kohli. I know he failed in 2 semifinals but it's not fair to call him a choker. There are a few good knocks he played in other ICC knockout matches
Champions trophy 2013 - semis and final
Champions trophy 2017 - semis
T20 WC 2014 - semi final, final
T20 WC 2016 - mustwin game Vs Aus, semi final
 
So, Shikar Dhawan is the leading run scorer in 2013 CT, 2017 CT, ASIA CUP 2018, 5th highest run scorer in 2015 WC(Easily beating all the fab 4) and scored a match winning 117 against Aus in one of the 2 matches he played this wc. Still people doesn't rate him just because he isn't that great in bilateral?
 
Pk716 said:
So, Shikar Dhawan is the leading run scorer in 2013 CT, 2017 CT, ASIA CUP 2018, 5th highest run scorer in 2015 WC(Easily beating all the fab 4) and scored a match winning 117 against Aus in one of the 2 matches he played this wc. Still people doesn't rate him just because he isn't that great in bilateral?
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Valid question.
Shikher's record is easily better than these fab 4s in tournaments.
 
spiderreddy said:
My fellow Indians are a little too harsh on Kohli. I know he failed in 2 semifinals but it's not fair to call him a choker. There are a few good knocks he played in other ICC knockout matches
Champions trophy 2013 - semis and final
Champions trophy 2017 - semis
T20 WC 2014 - semi final, final
T20 WC 2016 - mustwin game Vs Aus, semi final
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Add that 35(49) in that 2011 WC final. It is worth a 60 based on the match situation. Chasing a big 273, 2 match winners out very early , coping with huge pressure of expectations in front of the home crowd...That is such an important knock in Kohli's career which people just conveniently ignores. To understand that we only need to look into how Root performed in the final when met with lesser challenges, he even forgot how to hold the bat.

Williamson too, who was easily in brilliant form till that point fell for 30(53) despite NZL batting first which is far lesser challenging when compared to ' chasing a big score in a WC final' .
 
Pk716 said:
Agreed.He is still not at the level in tourments to be compared with Sachin, Viv. But, he still has time to prove himself in the next big tournaments like CT, WC 2023. One thing that bothers me is when people rate tournaments so high why don't they rate Shikar dhawan higher than root and Kane. I think his tournament avg is better than them . He isn't bad in bilaterals either.
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Everyone rates dhawan as a gun player. I don't know who doesn't rare dhawan as a gun player. He is a top notch opener but is overshadowed by Rohit so maybe that's why people might not rate him as highly as he deserves.

Comparing dhawan to root or Williamson is not fair since dhawan is an opener and generally people compare him with other openers where he is slightly overshadowed by Rohit.

Overall as a batsmen even the most biased Pakistanis on this forum rate dhawan highly. So that should give you an indicator of how highly he is rated.

Regarding Kohli, time will tell. His career is not yet over but he has failed in 2 world cups at the height of his physical prowess. Viv, sachin, Ponting (the three best ODI batsmen) dominated world cups during their peak. In 2023 he will be 34 slightly past his best and knowing Indian selectors they will select Rohit and Dhawan who will be also past their peak. So even if Kohli performs well we will lose because of bad selections once again.

Having said the above, one needs to realise the most important thing. Indian media dominates world cricket. Kohli will be portrayed as a GOAT or near GOAT by the time he retires just on basis of his bilateral records. Kohli dominating a world cup is a criteria only for hardcore fans, for majority of casuals he will be a GOAT because of media coverage.
 
spiderreddy said:
My fellow Indians are a little too harsh on Kohli. I know he failed in 2 semifinals but it's not fair to call him a choker. There are a few good knocks he played in other ICC knockout matches
Champions trophy 2013 - semis and final
Champions trophy 2017 - semis
T20 WC 2014 - semi final, final
T20 WC 2016 - mustwin game Vs Aus, semi final
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You don't understand we are talking about being GOAT here. No Indian here says Kohli is a bad player or is not an ATG. However, to be the GOAT he needs to check all boxes and sadly he has failed in 2 most important tournaments

Let's see who he is competing against, the three greatest batsmen ever to play so far:

1. SRT - dominated 96, 2003 at his peak age. 2011 also did great. Kohli already failed his 96 (2015) and his 2003 (2019). He has his 2011 (2023) in Indian conditions to make a mark. But he didn't dominate multiple world cups like Sachin.

2. Ponting - 2003, 2007.

3. Viv - Was before my time but stories of his dominance are part of cricketing folklore.

Kohli is already behind the three GOAT contenders above. So he can be an ATG but can't be a GOAT anymore unless he dominates 2023 and 2027 world cup. How likely is that?
 
big_gamer007 said:
You don't understand we are talking about being GOAT here. No Indian here says Kohli is a bad player or is not an ATG. However, to be the GOAT he needs to check all boxes and sadly he has failed in 2 most important tournaments

Let's see who he is competing against, the three greatest batsmen ever to play so far:

1. SRT - dominated 96, 2003 at his peak age. 2011 also did great. Kohli already failed his 96 (2015) and his 2003 (2019). He has his 2011 (2023) in Indian conditions to make a mark. But he didn't dominate multiple world cups like Sachin.

2. Ponting - 2003, 2007.

3. Viv - Was before my time but stories of his dominance are part of cricketing folklore.

Kohli is already behind the three GOAT contenders above. So he can be an ATG but can't be a GOAT anymore unless he dominates 2023 and 2027 world cup. How likely is that?
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it seems the problem is not with Kohli but with people like you who just takes these plain stats with out taking the playing circumstances into account.Then you raise him as the GOAT.

But people like me who have followed Viv at least in his final years
would consider Viv convincingly better to Kohli even if Kohli had done brilliantly in a few world cup knock outs as of now.This is because Viv was far ahead of his contemporary batsmen in those much bowling friendly days.
 
big_gamer007 said:
You don't understand we are talking about being GOAT here. No Indian here says Kohli is a bad player or is not an ATG. However, to be the GOAT he needs to check all boxes and sadly he has failed in 2 most important tournaments

Let's see who he is competing against, the three greatest batsmen ever to play so far:

1. SRT - dominated 96, 2003 at his peak age. 2011 also did great. Kohli already failed his 96 (2015) and his 2003 (2019). He has his 2011 (2023) in Indian conditions to make a mark. But he didn't dominate multiple world cups like Sachin.

2. Ponting - 2003, 2007.

3. Viv - Was before my time but stories of his dominance are part of cricketing folklore.

Kohli is already behind the three GOAT contenders above. So he can be an ATG but can't be a GOAT anymore unless he dominates 2023 and 2027 world cup. How likely is that?
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Add in ABD too. ABD is a also a GOAT contender and a champion in WC.
 
Smith anyday over Kohli in tests, and the reason is not the batting quality but the fact that Smith more often than not ends up winning the game whereas Kohli scores runs but falters in last inning. Because of his demeanor and media, Kohli's failure in crucial situations whether in abroad tests or in big tournaments knock out matches don't get highlighted much. If they do, people won't call him no:1 in any format.
 
happydavy said:
Smith anyday over Kohli in tests, and the reason is not the batting quality but the fact that Smith more often than not ends up winning the game whereas Kohli scores runs but falters in last inning. Because of his demeanor and media, Kohli's failure in crucial situations whether in abroad tests or in big tournaments knock out matches don't get highlighted much. If they do, people won't call him no:1 in any format.
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How many 4th innings matvh winning knocks smith has.?
 
happydavy said:
Smith anyday over Kohli in tests, and the reason is not the batting quality but the fact that Smith more often than not ends up winning the game whereas Kohli scores runs but falters in last inning. Because of his demeanor and media, Kohli's failure in crucial situations whether in abroad tests or in big tournaments knock out matches don't get highlighted much. If they do, people won't call him no:1 in any format.
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yeah right now smith is better than anyone in this era in test cricket! but his performance in 4th innings is not better than Kohli and also he didn't have any match winning knocks in the 4th innings either!

Smith - ( in 4th inning) - innings - 20 , runs - 550, centuries - 0, Average - 31, SR - 49
Kohli - (in 4th inning) - Innings - 23, runs - 893, centuries - 2, average - 49, SR - 58

Kohli has scored 141 while chasing 330+ in Adelaide and india lost by 30 runs,
even last year in England he made fifties while chasing 180 twice and india ended up losing 30 runs! So Kohli didn't falter in last innings and it's not his fault that indian lower order can't bat!
 
Steve Smith is a better test batter than Kohli.

But PP makes out as though Kohli is rubbish test player. He has dominated series in Australia, England, and South Africa by the age of 30. If some of his team mates stood up India would have won more games in the ones he performed in.

Not many have achieved what he has in those countries. Smith is number one , but Kohli is probably the 2nd best test batter right now.
 
Hasan123 said:
Steve Smith is a better test batter than Kohli.

But PP makes out as though Kohli is rubbish test player. He has dominated series in Australia, England, and South Africa by the age of 30. If some of his team mates stood up India would have won more games in the ones he performed in.

Not many have achieved what he has in those countries. Smith is number one , but Kohli is probably the 2nd best test batter right now.
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No one has called him a rubbish test player. So stop getting hurt. Everyone agrees he's the 2nd best test batsmen after Smith but some fans are having difficulties digesting that fact. Smith is comfortably the best test batsmen.
 
Khan12 said:
No one has called him a rubbish test player. So stop getting hurt. Everyone agrees he's the 2nd best test batsmen after Smith but some fans are having difficulties digesting that fact. Smith is comfortably the best test batsmen.
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Fans like you are the ones that are hurt. Desperate to shove it down Indian fans throat that Smith is better in tests which most people except.

Pakistan fans are more desperate than Australian fans to label him as the number 1 test batter.
 
Hasan123 said:
Fans like you are the ones that are hurt. Desperate to shove it down Indian fans throat that Smith is better in tests which most people except.

Pakistan fans are more desperate than Australian fans to label him as the number 1 test batter.
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More some so called Pakistani fans are upset that kholi is not no 1 test batsmen. First please highlight us where people called him a poor test batsmen. That same Pakistani fans call kholi the best odi batsmen by far too. So i guess you are desperate to prove your theory by spewing rubbish.
 
In tests Kohli is good (But then many were) while Smith is special (Rarity in test cricket).

Kohli is good in tests but just like many 50+ averaging batsmen which are quite a lot in number. There is nothing much that sets him apart in tests.

Smith on the other hand is just a class apart and is amongst one of the legendary test batsmen world has ever seen, his test record and performances across different conditions enforces that.
 
Khan12 said:
More some so called Pakistani fans are upset that kholi is not no 1 test batsmen. First please highlight us where people called him a poor test batsmen. That same Pakistani fans call kholi the best odi batsmen by far too. So i guess you are desperate to prove your theory by spewing rubbish.
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Why would I be upset? Steve Smith is one of my favourite players. Delighted he is number one in tests.


It’s mostly Pakistan fans who are desperate to prove that Smith is number one in tests and will mock anyone who disagrees.
 
Hasan123 said:
Why would I be upset? Steve Smith is one of my favourite players. Delighted he is number one in tests.


It’s mostly Pakistan fans who are desperate to prove that Smith is number one in tests and will mock anyone who disagrees.
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In one post you're saying it's widely accepted that Smith is better, now you're saying Pakistan fans are desperate to prove that he's number one.

If it's widely accepted, then what's desperate about Pakistan fans proclaiming it?
 
Abdullah719 said:
In one post you're saying it's widely accepted that Smith is better, now you're saying Pakistan fans are desperate to prove that he's number one.

If it's widely accepted, then what's desperate about Pakistan fans proclaiming it?
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It is widely accepted but it's mostly Pakistan fans who need remind us. Furthermore it is possible to say Smith is a good batter without mentioning Kohli or Root.
 
Smith is ahead at the moment. A 10 point difference in average is just too much! What a comeback.

Although I am pretty sure had this been Kohli today, a lot of fans here would be complaining that he did it against a handicapped English bowling attack without Anderson.
 
Smith, Kholi and Willaimson are just in a different league.... Root is way too far behind now .. way too far
 
Dead Ball said:
Smith is ahead at the moment. A 10 point difference in average is just too much! What a comeback.

Although I am pretty sure had this been Kohli today, a lot of fans here would be complaining that he did it against a handicapped English bowling attack without Anderson.
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Smith already has 2 hundreds in England against an attack containing Anderson - he has nothing to prove against him.
 
Titan24 said:
In tests Kohli is good (But then many were) while Smith is special (Rarity in test cricket).

Kohli is good in tests but just like many 50+ averaging batsmen which are quite a lot in number. There is nothing much that sets him apart in tests.

Smith on the other hand is just a class apart and is amongst one of the legendary test batsmen world has ever seen, his test record and performances across different conditions enforces that.
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Not to take anything away from Kohli .
If you look at Kohli Record It's just Unbelievable average of 50+ in All formats Consistency and a match winner all these things put Kohli into Different League then Smith Williamson and Root.
AVERAGE OF 53 DOESN'T MEAN HE Isn't playing Good.Kohli Was Immense Last Year in Both Formats odi And Test .
No one is Even Close to Kohli Williamson maybe but not Smith
 
Smith is superb in tests but what Williamson has done, in the weakest of the fab four teams, in the hardest conditions at the toughest position, is even better.

For me it has been Williamson at the top of the test pile and most recently, he is starting to challenge Kohli and Root in ODIs too.

The rest is very debatable. Smith, Root, Kohli? Or any other combination? To me it doesn't matter, they are all superb.
 
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