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Virat Kohli vs AB de Villiers in ODIs

Mamoon said:
Facts and stats are meaningless without context. He has a significant century in World Cups, and his 2-3 innings in the Champions Trophy have been invaluable when you put it into context. A half-century is not necessary inferior to a hundred.

For example, his unbeaten 70 against SA when both de Villiers and Amla failed was a great innings, and so was his vital innings in the 2013 Champions Trophy Final.

Stats alone will tell you that Amla is the second best ODI opener of all time. However, that couldn't be further from the truth. He has already surpassed de Villiers, Tendulkar and Ponting.
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'Facts and stats are meaningless without context'. Couldn't agree more. That is exactly why you are contradicting yourself. The so called significant century he made in WC. Can we just take that as an example of context? Dhawan scores 73 and Raina scores 74 from 56 at 4. He has good batsmen around him who are rotating strike and giving him freedom to play. And you are saying that was a signifiant century? Raina's 74 was much more valuable and a much much better innings. Kohli's innings was NOT significant even though he played well. In context this century did nothing for India in the series.
 
Mamoon said:
[MENTION=146277]logicsupreme[/MENTION] [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION]

If we start micro-analysing every career, no player will be free from any scrutiny. Except for maybe McGrath.

- Bradman's average got halved in the only series where he was forced out of his comfort-zone

- Lillee has zero achievements in the subcontinent but he is still an ATG

- Tendulkar has failed in two World Cup Finals, but he is undoubtedly the best ODI opener ever

- Lara is considered as one of the greatest players of spin, but was very poor in India

- Saeed Anwar is considered an ATG ODI opener, but he was a walking wicket in Australia and South Africa

- Ponting has failed in many knockouts, but he had the luxury of playing for a very strong team which means he got many opportunities. Not to forget, like Lara, he was poor in India

- The two best bowling attacks during Viv's time were WI and Pakistan. He didn't face the WI attack, and he was nothing special against Pakistan. Is that a blemish on his career? Absolutely not.

- Botham's best period came when most of the top players went AWOL from international cricket and were busy playing for Kerry Packer

All this talk of Kohli not having match-winning hundreds in XYZ countries and not chasing 300+ totals against XYZ countries in XYZ venues etc. is hogwash.

He is entering his peak years now, but he has already achieved more than 99% of the ODI batsmen in history. He is well on his way to GOAT status, and it is laughable to claim that he is not an ATG yet.
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Micro analysing? You are making the claim he is an ATG. So where is the evidence? Where is the support?
 
Mamoon said:
Facts and stats are meaningless without context. He has a significant century in World Cups, and his 2-3 innings in the Champions Trophy have been invaluable when you put it into context. A half-century is not necessary inferior to a hundred.

<B>For example, his unbeaten 70 against SA when both de Villiers and Amla failed was a great innings, and so was his vital innings in the 2013 Champions Trophy Final.</B>

Stats alone will tell you that Amla is the second best ODI opener of all time. However, that couldn't be further from the truth. He has already surpassed de Villiers, Tendulkar and Ponting.
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Really? A chase of 192 in which his knock was a supporting role knock of Indian lineup is rated as a great knock?

Fact is he hasn't played any great knock yet in ICC tournaments(2-3 good knocks are there but none were great) and hasn't dominated any 50 over tournament either.
 
logicsupreme said:
Micro analysing? You are making the claim he is an ATG. So where is the evidence? Where is the support?
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The evidence is his career and the giant that he has become today. His achievements and his influence and standing in world cricket. He is by far the most significant cricketer in the world today and has inspired a generation of young batsmen. 90% of the aspiring batsmen today (who are in their early teens) idolize him.

More than that, he is entering the peak phase of his career now. Phenomenal achievements for a young batsman. To say that he is not an ATG is ridiculous.
 
Ted123 said:
Really? A chase of 192 in which his knock was a supporting role knock of Indian lineup is rated as a great knock?

Fact is he hasn't played any great knock yet in ICC tournaments(2-3 good knocks are there but none were great) and hasn't dominated any 50 over tournament either.
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It was a great innings when you put into context, and my point was that a hundred is not necessarily better than a half-century. For example, Kohli's half-centuries against SA and Pakistan were better than Amla's hundred against SL.

Yes he hasn't produced an iconic innings in ODI tournaments yet, and that is one box that he is yet to tick. However, it would be foolish to think that he is not going achieve that by the end of his career. It is only a matter of time.
 
logicsupreme said:
'Facts and stats are meaningless without context'. Couldn't agree more. That is exactly why you are contradicting yourself. The so called significant century he made in WC. Can we just take that as an example of context? Dhawan scores 73 and Raina scores 74 from 56 at 4. He has good batsmen around him who are rotating strike and giving him freedom to play. And you are saying that was a signifiant century? Raina's 74 was much more valuable and a much much better innings. Kohli's innings was NOT significant even though he played well. In context this century did nothing for India in the series.
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Raina and Dhawan played great innings, Kohli's, but Kohli's innings was a big effort as well. It was the most hyped up group game encounter of the World Cup, watched by billions of people around the world, both teams wanted to start on a winning note.

Most importantly, he was in poor form. However, he still found a way to manufacture a big innings, which is the sign of a big player with big temperament. Just because others also score around you don't mean your runs don't have value - it was a valuable innings by any measure.
 
Mamoon said:
The evidence is his career and the giant that he has become today. His achievements and his influence and standing in world cricket. He is by far the most significant cricketer in the world today and has inspired a generation of young batsmen. 90% of the aspiring batsmen today (who are in their early teens) idolize him.

More than that, he is entering the peak phase of his career now. Phenomenal achievements for a young batsman. To say that he is not an ATG is ridiculous.
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He is definitely not the most significant cricketer. Dhoni is far more significant than him. He is definitely not in the top 3 Test batsmen either which means he cannot possibly be the most 'significant' cricketer. By your logic, again as you contradict yourself AB is far more significant. They chant his name in India when he comes out to bat, which foreign player gets that treatment? If Kohli gets that reception in South Africa let me know.
Also lets talk about his 'influence'. What is his influence? That he is a great chaser in Asia? That is supposed to make him more significant than other players?
 
Mamoon said:
Raina and Dhawan played great innings, Kohli's, but Kohli's innings was a big effort as well. It was the most hyped up group game encounter of the World Cup, watched by billions of people around the world, both teams wanted to start on a winning note.

Most importantly, he was in poor form. However, he still found a way to manufacture a big innings, which is the sign of a big player with big temperament. Just because others also score around you don't mean your runs don't have value - it was a valuable innings by any measure.
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I am not sure you are even making a point here. Was his contribution valuable, yes of course. That he scored a century against a depleted attack that makes it significant? Like his performance in the tournament overall? He was not even in the top 20 run scorers of the tournament. You know why? Because it wasn't Asia.

Is he an ATG? Possibly. Is he better than AB, no. Is he more valuable than Dhoni, no. Is he even close to Sachin and Ponting , absolutely NO. And the best for last. Is he close to VIV? Thats the laughable part.
 
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logicsupreme said:
He is definitely not the most significant cricketer. Dhoni is far more significant than him. He is definitely not in the top 3 Test batsmen either which means he cannot possibly be the most 'significant' cricketer. By your logic, again as you contradict yourself AB is far more significant. They chant his name in India when he comes out to bat, which foreign player gets that treatment? If Kohli gets that reception in South Africa let me know.
Also lets talk about his 'influence'. What is his influence? That he is a great chaser in Asia? That is supposed to make him more significant than other players?
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Even if you were to not consider his batting achievements, I think his lifestyle in itself and the obsession with fitness has had a significant effect in our cricket sphere. Maybe not directly, but from the last three years, a lot of rhetoric around Indian cricket has been around fitness and Virat has a huge role to play in that. He is undoubtedly our most accomplished player in the last 5 years and when your best player has that attitude (he hasn't eaten rice from last four years apparently), it invariably transfers to lower levels.

Also that change in attitude about fitness cos of Virat has been highlighted by a lot of our top present cricketers.

Chanting a cricketer's name is hardly about influence. Indian crowd just has that herd mentality. We do it for Warner and Gayle too but that doesn't make them influential. And if you may have noticed, we have got more fast-bowling centered in the last two years under Virat. I can't stress the importance of this enough but I'm sure the difference will be visible in the overseas tours. A huge change in attitude - that will bear fruits in the long run. The likes of Umesh, Bhuvi, Shami and Ishant have collectively averaged under 30 since the SA tour '15. THey have been highlighted more and more in PCs and in interviews.

Again, that is a huge huge change from previous times. And I haven't even written about the influence his performances have had. I am indian and I can clearly see that there is a palpable difference in this indian team from the past ones.
 
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Let's start with fitness. Dhoni was single handedly responsible for making fitness a key criteria in the Indian team. Dropping legends purely on fitness was a very brave call and he deserves utmost credit for that. While Kohli might be a positive influence he has not 'changed' the criteria.

Along with the herd mentality there is a also a tendency to give God like status to players in India. People have taken it to another level with Kohli. Shami and Bhuvi were already very good bowlers before Kohli's captaincy.He will deserve credit when they win overseas.

Finally talking about team atmosphere and change. Does Kohli have a very positive and aggressive attitude, yes. Does that make his team a good one, yes. Does this mean he is a better captain than Ganguly and Dhoni, absolutely not. Ganguly is credited with transforming the team to world beaters. He is the one who gave them belief to win. Dhoni maximised on this and became the greatest Indian captain of all time. He mastered a formula for LIO cricket success and gave fielding a new meaning in the team. Does Kohli touch these guys as a captain. Right now he is not even close but he has the potential. Good luck to him.
 
logicsupreme said:
Let's start with fitness. Dhoni was single handedly responsible for making fitness a key criteria in the Indian team. Dropping legends purely on fitness was a very brave call and he deserves utmost credit for that. While Kohli might be a positive influence he has not 'changed' the criteria.

Along with the herd mentality there is a also a tendency to give God like status to players in India. People have taken it to another level with Kohli. Shami and Bhuvi were already very good bowlers before Kohli's captaincy.He will deserve credit when they win overseas.

Finally talking about team atmosphere and change. Does Kohli have a very positive and aggressive attitude, yes. Does that make his team a good one, yes. Does this mean he is a better captain than Ganguly and Dhoni, absolutely not. Ganguly is credited with transforming the team to world beaters. He is the one who gave them belief to win. Dhoni maximised on this and became the greatest Indian captain of all time. He mastered a formula for LIO cricket success and gave fielding a new meaning in the team. Does Kohli touch these guys as a captain. Right now he is not even close but he has the potential. Good luck to him.
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Don't agree with a lot in this but I don't have the strength to argue. Bored with the Virat vs. XYZ threads tbh. They don't go anywhere and waste a lot of time and energy. We are all too stubborn. Have a good day. Peace!!
 
Count those centuries till cows come home I will count the victories he has earned with bat in SA, ENG, Aus, NZ.


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Omg

There are none.

Shocking. But not really.
 
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JattMaula said:
Count those centuries till cows come home I will count the victories he has earned with bat in SA, ENG, Aus, NZ.


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Omg

There are none.

Shocking. But not really.
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Errrr ..... So it's his fault that the entire team as a whole couldn't win matches there? In that case why not blame Sachin and try to discredit him for India winning just 1 Test overseas back in the 90's, despite that he was the best batsman of the 90's (Steve Waugh) by a long shot who averaged 59 odd (minus Zimbabwe) while the next best batsman barely averaged 53 odd?
 
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Hitman said:
Errrr ..... So it's his fault that the entire team as a whole couldn't win matches there? In that case why not blame Sachin and try to discredit him for India winning just 1 Test overseas back in the 90's, despite that he was the best batsman of the 90's (Steve Waugh) by a long shot who averaged 59 odd (minus Zimbabwe) while the next best batsman barely averaged 53 odd?
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Sorry, I meant to say Steve Waugh was the second best batsman of the 90's. I put his name under the bracket in the wrong place.
 
Hitman said:
Errrr ..... So it's his fault that the entire team as a whole couldn't win matches there? In that case why not blame Sachin and try to discredit him for India winning just 1 Test overseas back in the 90's, despite that he was the best batsman of the 90's (Steve Waugh) by a long shot who averaged 59 odd (minus Zimbabwe) while the next best batsman barely averaged 53 odd?
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Its comparison thread so I compared kholi and AB.

I can point out many AB innings in any given conditions in the above mentioned criteria.
 
JattMaula said:
In foreign conditions to home was my criteria. Those three are hardly unfamiliar to SA conditions in nature.
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There is no such thing like foreign conditions these days because its flat everywhere but scoring against quality bowling attacks in their backyard is still a challenging task. Aus, SA, NZ and Eng have quality attacks for their home pitches in particular.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
As most people agree that Amla is a notch below these 2, it's time to see who's the best ODI batsman of modern era

Basic stats

Kohli
Innings- 175
Runs- 8008
Avg- 54.47
Strike Rate- 91.04

ABD
Innings- 213
Runs- 9319
Avg- 53.55
Strike Rate- 100.25

Lets discuss the other criterias and see who's the better one overall
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Now 9 months later (this is currently Mar 2018, thread was posted on Jun 2017) ABD has exactly the same stats as he had before. As for Kohli...

Kohli
Innings- 200
Runs- 9588
Avg- 58.10
Strike Rate- 92.14

ABD
Innings- 218
Runs- 9577
Avg- 53.50
Strike Rate- 101.09
 
Joseph Gomes said:
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Now 9 months later (this is currently Mar 2018, thread was posted on Jun 2017) ABD has exactly the same stats as he had before. As for Kohli...

Kohli
Innings- 200
Runs- 9588
Avg- 58.10
Strike Rate- 92.14

ABD
Innings- 218
Runs- 9577
Avg- 53.50
Strike Rate- 101.09
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Kohli has destroyed everyone over the past 12 months.

He's unstoppable.
 
AB scored a 65* @ 144, at his peak, in a rain affected WC semi final.

Kohli scored 1 @ 16, at his peak, in a rain affected WC semi final.
 
Ozymandiasza said:
AB scored a 65* @ 144, at his peak, in a rain affected WC semi final.

Kohli scored 1 @ 16, at his peak, in a rain affected WC semi final.
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Yeah, I'm leaning towards AB > Kohli and I've criticized AB a lot.

His record is far better than Kohli's. I don't think there has been a single ODI tournament where he has been India's best batsmen.
 
Ozymandiasza said:
At least you replied. What are your opinions now?

Where are all those people that went as far as insulting AB?
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I never rated Kohli above ABD even after Kohli's insane 2018, due to ABD's WC stats.

Now I firmly place ABD above Kohli. Bilateral ODIs aren't rated that high anymore due to T20 being introduced, WC has even more value now, and ABD has been a champ in WC.
 
If you ignore the last three years of de Villiers career, there was everything he did was worth admiring. Batted as team requirement, aggressive or defensive, took gloves when asked, captained the ODI side for around six years and also did part-time bowling during WC to fill up an extra bowling option.

It was absolutely unfair to hate him for all his exploits before 2016.A random failure like CT 2013 is a part of the game.
 
Kohli is an inferior ODI batsman to Viv, ABD, Sachin and Ponting. However, he will go down as a great and the second best ODI batsman of his generation, above Amla and behind ABD.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
I never rated Kohli above ABD even after Kohli's insane 2018, due to ABD's WC stats.

Now I firmly place ABD above Kohli. Bilateral ODIs aren't rated that high anymore due to T20 being introduced, WC has even more value now, and ABD has been a champ in WC.
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This WC knocked Kohli down several levels. Can you even put him ahead of AB, Tendulkar or Ponting anymore?

He has one WC to save himself.
 
If only AB didn't retire so prematurely. I think he would have plundered a lot of runs in this WC.
 
Aman said:
This WC knocked Kohli down several levels. Can you even put him ahead of AB, Tendulkar or Ponting anymore?

He has one WC to save himself.
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Only some serious ******* ever placed him above those three. He's never performed in a WC, this wasn't the only time. Only a good performance in a KO match would place him with those guys and he failed yet again. I'm not sure he'll even be playing for India during the next World Cup, much less actually win them anything.
 
Not only is AB a better batsmen, he's done better when it matters.

How can you possibly put Kohli ahead of AB? We assumed Kohli would eventually deliver and correct his ICC record, hasn't happened.

It's fair game to put AB ahead.
 
You don't need to see stats or this failure of Kohli to see that ABDV is a better ODI batsman than Kohli.

Kohli is amazing but ABDV was one step up from his level. Different abilities, different level of acceleration.
 
Aman said:
This WC knocked Kohli down several levels. Can you even put him ahead of AB, Tendulkar or Ponting anymore?

He has one WC to save himself.
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ABD is the only one debatable (not for me), rest aren't even close. Viv, Tendulkar and Ponting will be ahead of Kohli by a huge margin until next WC, which is possibly Kohli's last chance to do something of note.
 
Aman said:
Not only is AB a better batsmen, he's done better when it matters.

How can you possibly put Kohli ahead of AB? We assumed Kohli would eventually deliver and correct his ICC record, hasn't happened.

It's fair game to put AB ahead.
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Kohli just needs one WC knockout knock to be a GOAT.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Kohli just needs one WC knockout knock to be a GOAT.
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How likely is that looking atm?

He looked like he **** himself in the CT Final and today against us.

Regardless of what he does now, he ain't surpassing Viv, Tendulkar or Ponting. Only one he can surpass is AB.
 
Aman said:
How likely is that looking atm?

He looked like he **** himself in the CT Final and today against us.

Regardless of what he does now, he ain't surpassing Viv, Tendulkar or Ponting. Only one he can surpass is AB.
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I don't know.

Tendulkar averages 50+ in finals, dominated 3 WCs (impact wise).

Selfish Choker.

Kohli averages 12 in knockouts. Dominated zero WCs even tho he entered it in peak form.

Selfless mental genius.

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Just needs one knock to surpass them all.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I don't know.

Tendulkar averages 50+ in finals, dominated 3 WCs (impact wise).

Selfish Choker.

Kohli averages 12 in knockouts. Dominated zero WCs even tho he entered it in peak form.

Selfless mental genius.

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Just needs one knock to surpass them all.
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He's not surpassing any of them.

One knock isn't enough to make up for all the other failures. He's hurt his reputation in the last 2 WCs.
 
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Aman said:
He's not surpassing any of them.

One knock isn't enough to make up for all the other failures. He's hurt his reputation in the last 2 WCs.
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Only if you view it dispassionately.

Kohli needs to set a tourney on fire (and win it) to surpass them.

You can't flop in every crucial innings and be called a GOAT based on one innings.

That's just crazy.

GOAT is a supreme term. You gotta earn it.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Only if you view it dispassionately.

Kohli needs to set a tourney on fire (and win it) to surpass them.

You can't flop in every crucial innings and be called a GOAT based on one innings.

That's just crazy.

GOAT is a supreme term. You gotta earn it.
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Kohli has failed in most of the WCs he's played in, one WC isn't going to erase those failures because he scored 4 100s in 5 ODIs against SA in a series no one remembers.
 
Aman said:
He's not surpassing any of them.

One knock isn't enough to make up for all the other failures. He's hurt his reputation in the last 2 WCs.
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Not to mention bilaterals lose more prestige every day and WC becomes even more important. Australia doesn't even field their second rate team in bilaterals anymore (neither does India now, Bumrah and Kohli themselves are rested every other series)

Take the bilateral stats with a grain of salt.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Not to mention bilaterals lose more prestige every day and WC becomes even more important. Australia doesn't even field their second rate team in bilaterals anymore (neither does India now, Bumrah and Kohli themselves are rested every other series)

Take the bilateral stats with a grain of salt.
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Nobody cares about bilaterals, they're basically friendlies for the WC.

Everyone would lose every bilateral series and match for a WC win.
 
aukhan said:
Stats ka acchar dalun? Whats the point of stats? How many semi finals and finals ABD won for his team?
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He's not supposed to play for all his 10 other teammates, he did his job brilliantly. SAF is the choker, ABD is a champ.
 
Aman said:
Not only is AB a better batsmen, he's done better when it matters.

How can you possibly put Kohli ahead of AB? We assumed Kohli would eventually deliver and correct his ICC record, hasn't happened.

It's fair game to put AB ahead.
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I remember we used to discuss this a lot 3-4 yrs ago, lol.
 
Mamoon said:
Nothing has changed. In my opinion, Kohli is better than de Villiers in every format.
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With two hundred against still minnow Bangladesh (Sehwag hitting 175 in the same match) and a selfish knock against Pakistan in 2015, you consider him better than others. Strange, for someone who loves to talk about jamodis so much and world cups.
 
Mobashir said:
With two hundred against still minnow Bangladesh (Sehwag hitting 175 in the same match) and a selfish knock against Pakistan in 2015, you consider him better than others. Strange, for someone who loves to talk about jamodis so much and world cups.
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I will maintain this about ABD

He is the most complete batsman of all time.

An ATG in defense as seen by his Test match saving efforts.

An ATG in accumulation as seen by his 9000+ ODI runs.

An ATG in hitting as seen by his fastest ODI hundred.

Unfortunately Kohli will never match him here. They might be equal when it comes to strike rotation, but De Villiers is far ahead in the other aspects of batting.
 
Rayyman said:
I will maintain this about ABD

He is the most complete batsman of all time.

An ATG in defense as seen by his Test match saving efforts.

An ATG in accumulation as seen by his 9000+ ODI runs.

An ATG in hitting as seen by his fastest ODI hundred.

Unfortunately Kohli will never match him here. They might be equal when it comes to strike rotation, but De Villiers is far ahead in the other aspects of batting.
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At least de Villiers has things that separate him from the rest. Till 2015 no other cricketer could take on attack as he did. And it's not about scoring 20's or 30's it was fifties and hundreds with averages also unmatched or equal to the best.

Kohli has nothing that differentiates him from the likes of Root. Williamson is slower but at least he has many great world cup knocks.
 
For me, ABD was the best odi batsmen ever, he had everything, he could build innings, he can accelerate at will, he could chase, he would be a calm cucumber in a pressure cooker, he delivered when it mattered - he was the most complete batsmen in the ODI era.

Kohli is great but ABD was a notch above him.
 
ABD has always fed off others at the top. Have rarely seen him play world class knocks in very tough pressure situations.
 
both has been ATGs in their own rights. ABDV was more aggressive while Kohli has been a great chaser.
25 100s out of total 41 cannot be dismissed as 'child play' by any means.ABDV has been far superior in world cup knock outs where as Kohli too has '4 superb ICC tournament matches knock out inns' . So more or less on the same level.
 
Ozymandiasza said:
AB scored a 65* @ 144, at his peak, in a rain affected WC semi final.

Kohli scored 1 @ 16, at his peak, in a rain affected WC semi final.
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Look at both their stats AB in 2015 and Kohli in 2019 as these were both guys prime.

ABD in 2015 CWC: 482 Runs in 7 innings, averaging 97 @ 145

Kohli in 2019 CWC: 443 Runs in 9 innings, averaging 55 @ 94

I've said it a million times ABD had a freakish run in 2014/2015. Even better than Kohli's in the past 2 years because look at the SR with that average!!! Also just look at the way he won SA the ODI series in India basically single-handedly and took them to the SF's pretty much on his back and could of won them the match had it not been for rain. To say he choked in the CWC in 2015 is a crime in my opinion.

I like Kohli a lot but my favorite batsman of all time is ABD and let's be real his 2015 WC alone is better than any tournament Virat has had. Virat was really a big disappointment in this WC coming in to the tourney averaging like 90+ in the past year or two and then too only average 55 is disappointing. Even Babar had a far better tournament.

So in conclusion AB>Kohli> :ab Man I wish SA selected ABD for the World Cup, who knows he could of carried the team to some wins in those tight games against India, and NZ. Really missing AB in intl cricket.
 
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PetroDollars said:
For me, ABD was the best odi batsmen ever, he had everything, he could build innings, he can accelerate at will, he could chase, he would be a calm cucumber in a pressure cooker, he delivered when it mattered - he was the most complete batsmen in the ODI era.

Kohli is great but ABD was a notch above him.
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This Kohli doesn't have that gear that ABD possess to just go crazy! Virat is a 90-100 SR batsman. AB on the other hand can bat at any SR from 80-200! A true modern day batsman and the greatest ODI batsman ever. That's why it pisses me off when people compare Buttler to the GOAT AB! Don't get me wrong Buttler is a good hitter, but ABD was on another level. Look at his test record averages 50+ plus with 8000+ runs there too showing he's not a one dimensional player. He's easily the most versatile player to ever play the game. ABD is the most complete and talented batsman to ever play the game he probably truthfully underachieved in his career watching him bat I'd say he should of averaged 75 @ 125 in his career such was the command and talent he possessed.
 
Plus when assesing AB you should really seperate his stats from his 2009-2018 as he re-invented himself as a batsman in 2008/09. So if you look at his numbers post 2009 they are crazy

AB De Villiers: 2009-2018 ODI's

Matches: 148
Runs: 7056
Ave: 63
SR: 109
50's: 37
100's: 22

AB De Villiers: 2008-2018 TESTS

Matches: 81
Runs: 6692
Ave: 58
SR: 55
50's: 33
100's: 19

Look at those numbers to maintain those freakish stats for 10 years is insane. Like I've always said ABD is my favorite batsman ever and in my opinion the greatest Modern Day batsman.
 
PetroDollars said:
For me, ABD was the best odi batsmen ever, he had everything, he could build innings, he can accelerate at will, he could chase, he would be a calm cucumber in a pressure cooker, he delivered when it mattered - he was the most complete batsmen in the ODI era.

Kohli is great but ABD was a notch above him.
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Well ABD is a GOAT contender, so your opinion is 100% valid.
 
QalandarFan said:
Look at both their stats AB in 2015 and Kohli in 2019 as these were both guys prime.

ABD in 2015 CWC: 482 Runs in 7 innings, averaging 97 @ 145

Kohli in 2019 CWC: 443 Runs in 9 innings, averaging 55 @ 94
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Wowww

Yes 2015 pitches were much easier but ABD scored in all games and even played a clutch SF knock.

Had it not rained he would have finished with 100+ taking SA to 350 and thereby sealing their victory.
 
ABDV.

Kohli is a certified bottler in WC knockouts till he proves otherwise.

If it remains this way, it will dent his legacy significantly.
 
Ozymandiasza said:
Here you go: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...-5th-odi-england-tour-of-south-africa-2015-16

This was an amazing knock. I still remember the match thread and hype after that victory to win the tie-breaker and take the series 3-2, after begin 2-0 down.
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Haha I remember watching that live. ABD is a beast and an the GOAT in ODI's. People on here just be hating on him for no reason. Virat Kohli can average 15 for the next 7 years and people on this forum will still shower him with praise. Lot of hypocrisy on this forum.
 
QalandarFan said:
Haha I remember watching that live. ABD is a beast and an the GOAT in ODI's. People on here just be hating on him for no reason. Virat Kohli can average 15 for the next 7 years and people on this forum will still shower him with praise. Lot of hypocrisy on this forum.
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People praise Kohli for his chasing, ABD was brilliant in chasing himself

56.81 average, 95 SR, 7 tons

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

There was not a single thing ABD couldn't do.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
People praise Kohli for his chasing, ABD was brilliant in chasing himself

56.81 average, 95 SR, 7 tons

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

There was not a single thing ABD couldn't do.
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Yeah but for some odd reason Kohli is still better. Because he does it in big games? Lmao dunno why so many people berate ABD whilst comparing him to Kohli. All those people like Mamoon said Kohli would have a monster World Cup, well what happened because even Babar had a better CWC then Kohli at 24. So let’s drop the hypocrisy and call it as it is now. ABD is the ODI GOAT
 
QalandarFan said:
Yeah but for some odd reason Kohli is still better. Because he does it in big games? Lmao dunno why so many people berate ABD whilst comparing him to Kohli. All those people like Mamoon said Kohli would have a monster World Cup, well what happened because even Babar had a better CWC then Kohli at 24. So let’s drop the hypocrisy and call it as it is now. ABD is the ODI GOAT
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Kohli is better in bilaterals. ABD is better in everything else.
 
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