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Please don't insult AB like this. On every pitch on the planet that isn't as flat as a national highway he is light years ahead of Kohli. Kohli's only claim to fame as a test batsman is that he can cash in like no one else on roads. Got embarrassed against Seam and swing multiple times and Lyon and O Keefe gave him a mugging at his home's turners at well. He can navigate bounce and pace but so can AB and at everything else Kohli is not even in the competition.
Please don't insult AB like this. On every pitch on the planet that isn't as flat as a national highway he is light years ahead of Kohli.
Although there has been many comparison threads in Odis between the two, but let's make one in tests.
Both have their own flaws. So who do you think is a better test batsmen of the two?
de Villiers simply because he has played a lot more, but Kohli will surpass him by the time he retires. He is already a better Limited Overs player and a far better captain.
To clear things, I was talking about their performance when they retires.
Currently, its a no-brainer.
How do we do that? Kohli could get crippled tomorrow and have his career ended. AB could play till he's 40 or retire after his next game. Humans don't know what the future holds.
We do that exactly the same way as you did when you said " Normal services will resume"![]()
Kohli hasn't surpassed AB yet in ODIs. Neither have won anything substantial for their team.
By the same token, Amla has proved that he is better at 35 than Kohli is in his prime.
One test should not be the deciding factors for these kind of debates. ABD has done far more than Kohli has in test cricket.
He is better than de Villiers across formats, and Amla isn’t even in the same league.
Limited Overs:
Kohli
de Villiers
huge gap
Amla
Tests:
Kohli
Amla
de Villiers
And one specific series can be considered to make an impression of an entire career of a player?
In tests, there is no comparison between the two South Africans and Kohli. What has Kohli achieved in his test career to date? Just look at how much Amla had done by the time he was 29-30.
I actually looked at it.
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http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/43906.html?class=1;spanmax1=31+Mar+2013;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting
Hashim Amla on his thirtieth birthday had 5785 Test runs at an average of 52.11 and 19 hundreds, inclusing one double hundred and a triple hundred.
Kohli, who is not yet thirty, has 5554 runs (231 less), at an average of 53.40(more), playing 4 less Tests, with 21 hundreds (2 more) and 6 200+ scores (4 more), but no triples.
They are comparable, with Kohli having in fact the slight edge, but your original statement is wrong.
He is better than de Villiers across formats, and Amla isn’t even in the same league.
Limited Overs:
Kohli
de Villiers
huge gap
Amla
Tests:
Kohli
Amla
de Villiers
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ODIs:
ABD
Amla/Kohli
Tests:
Amla
substantial gap
ABD
substantial gap
Kohli
Kohli is just as big a choker as Amla has been in ODIs. Don't need to remind anyone about his performances in the 2011 WC final, 2015 WC semi-final or his double choke in the 2017 CT final. In bilaterals, all three of these guys have been giants and have done special things. Amla scoring more runs per innings and setting a new world record every time he reaches a milestone, Kohli chasing targets down like the Terminator chasing down the Connors and de Villiers destroying more attacks than I can remember and establishing himself as the second best ODI batsman of all time.
In tests, there is no comparison between the two South Africans and Kohli. What has Kohli achieved in his test career to date? Just look at how much Amla had done by the time he was 29-30.
Only in your world is Amla at the same level as Kohli in ODIs. No team in the world - including SA - would think twice before playing Kohli ahead of Amla in their ODI team.
There are two major tests of an ODI batsman - ability to perform in big games, and the ability to handle pressure of chasing big totals. Amla is a massive failure at both.
Kohli is the greatest chaser of all time, and although he hasn't performed to his capacity in knockouts yet, but only a fool would write him off. As his career progresses, he is answering all the questions that has been asked of him. He is on his way to becoming one of the very, very best batsman in history, something that is beyond the reach of Amla.
Kohli has already surpassed the South African duo as a cricketer and the gap is only going to widen from here on.
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ODIs:
ABD
Amla/Kohli
Tests:
Amla
substantial gap
ABD
substantial gap
Kohli
Kohli is just as big a choker as Amla has been in ODIs. Don't need to remind anyone about his performances in the 2011 WC final, 2015 WC semi-final or his double choke in the 2017 CT final. In bilaterals, all three of these guys have been giants and have done special things. Amla scoring more runs per innings and setting a new world record every time he reaches a milestone, Kohli chasing targets down like the Terminator chasing down the Connors and de Villiers destroying more attacks than I can remember and establishing himself as the second best ODI batsman of all time.
In tests, there is no comparison between the two South Africans and Kohli. What has Kohli achieved in his test career to date? Just look at how much Amla had done by the time he was 29-30.
I actually looked at it.
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http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/43906.html?class=1;spanmax1=31+Mar+2013;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting
Hashim Amla on his thirtieth birthday had 5785 Test runs at an average of 52.11 and 19 hundreds, inclusing one double hundred and a triple hundred.
Kohli, who is not yet thirty, has 5554 runs (231 less), at an average of 53.40(more), playing 4 less Tests, with 21 hundreds (2 more) and 6 200+ scores (4 more), but no triples.
They are comparable, with Kohli having in fact the slight edge, but your original statement is wrong.
Only in your world is Amla at the same level as Kohli in ODIs. No team in the world - including SA - would think twice before playing Kohli ahead of Amla in their ODI team.
There are two major tests of an ODI batsman - ability to perform in big games, and the ability to handle pressure of chasing big totals. Amla is a massive failure at both.
Kohli is the greatest chaser of all time, and although he hasn't performed to his capacity in knockouts yet, but only a fool would write him off. As his career progresses, he is answering all the questions that has been asked of him. He is on his way to becoming one of the very, very best batsman in history, something that is beyond the reach of Amla.
Kohli has already surpassed the South African duo as a cricketer and the gap is only going to widen from here on.
Chasing is only half of the ODI game and therefore, it is not any more significant than setting a score, which can be just as challenging. Kohli is ahead of where Amla was at his age so I do believe Kohli will go down as the better player in LOIs.
What has Kohli achieved? That was my query, not how many runs he's scored and how many hundreds he has. If that is your sole criteria, Steven Smith is already the greatest batsman of all time barring Bradman.
Amla, by this age, already had legendary series in England, Australia and India whilst doing very well in another round of tours to those countries. Plus, he
Chasing is only half of the ODI game and therefore, it is not any more significant than setting a score, which can be just as challenging. Kohli is ahead of where Amla was at his age so I do believe Kohli will go down as the better player in LOIs.
Hold on. Are people saying Kohli had a better series than ABD? Can someone please elaborate how?
What has Kohli achieved? That was my query, not how many runs he's scored and how many hundreds he has. If that is your sole criteria, Steven Smith is already the greatest batsman of all time barring Bradman.
Amla, by this age, already had legendary series in England, Australia and India whilst doing very well in another round of tours to those countries. Plus, he had tons against the likes of Ajmal in the UAE and Bond in NZ. Kohli has had one very good series in Australia but other than that, hasn't done much outside his comfort zone which is Asia (UAE and Pakistan not included, of course).
They're not comparable as of now. Let Kohli have similar series in England or South Africa and then we'll talk. The same can be said of the ABD vs Kohli debate but to a lesser extent because AB isn't as good as Amla.
Chasing is only half of the ODI game and therefore, it is not any more significant than setting a score, which can be just as challenging. Kohli is ahead of where Amla was at his age so I do believe Kohli will go down as the better player in LOIs.
He will just change the goalposts. I showed stats saying that Kohli actually has more hundreds and double hundreds at a better average and now he says no, he has to perform in England and South Africa. Kohli has had excellent tours to SA everytime, and his down under Test record is also exemplary. But Bilal7 does not seem to be interested in facts, he just has his own agenda.Are you serious?
What has Kohli achieved? That was my query, not how many runs he's scored and how many hundreds he has. If that is your sole criteria, Steven Smith is already the greatest batsman of all time barring Bradman.
Amla, by this age, already had legendary series in England, Australia and India whilst doing very well in another round of tours to those countries. Plus, he had tons against the likes of Ajmal in the UAE and Bond in NZ. Kohli has had one very good series in Australia but other than that, hasn't done much outside his comfort zone which is Asia (UAE and Pakistan not included, of course).
What has Kohli achieved? That was my query, not how many runs he's scored and how many hundreds he has. If that is your sole criteria, Steven Smith is already the greatest batsman of all time barring Bradman.
Amla, by this age, already had legendary series in England, Australia and India whilst doing very well in another round of tours to those countries. Plus, he had tons against the likes of Ajmal in the UAE and Bond in NZ. Kohli has had one very good series in Australia but other than that, hasn't done much outside his comfort zone which is Asia (UAE and Pakistan not included, of course).
They're not comparable as of now. Let Kohli have similar series in England or South Africa and then we'll talk. The same can be said of the ABD vs Kohli debate but to a lesser extent because AB isn't as good as Amla.
Only in your world is Amla at the same level as Kohli in ODIs. No team in the world - including SA - would think twice before playing Kohli ahead of Amla in their ODI team.
There are two major tests of an ODI batsman - ability to perform in big games, and the ability to handle pressure of chasing big totals. Amla is a massive failure at both.
Kohli is the greatest chaser of all time, and although he hasn't performed to his capacity in knockouts yet, but only a fool would write him off. As his career progresses, he is answering all the questions that has been asked of him. He is on his way to becoming one of the very, very best batsman in history, something that is beyond the reach of Amla.
Kohli has already surpassed the South African duo as a cricketer and the gap is only going to widen from here on.
Virat will end up as an ATG test batsmen and a GOAT odi batsmen IMO unless he fails to deliver up to expectations or limits his potential.
Smith may end as a GOAT test batsmen too but will only end as a very good batsmen in limited overs format.
An excellent post. No wonder u r widely considered as the best poster of this message board. Do u think kohli will surpass viv in ODIs?
Chasing is only half of the ODI game and therefore, it is not any more significant than setting a score, which can be just as challenging. Kohli is ahead of where Amla was at his age so I do believe Kohli will go down as the better player in LOIs.
Virat has the same number of test hundreds as ABDV (21) having played 44 lesser tests!
Against top 6 teams, <B>ABDV has only scored 4 away hundreds</B> while Kohli has scored 10.
ABDV just hasn't done any justice to his talent in tests, a massive underachiever in my book. Kohli will easily surpass him in tests, if he hasn't yet.
Actually 6. UAE is away.
2 in Aus, 2 in UAE, 1 in Eng, 1 in Ind.
I stand corrected.
Its still pretty surprising how he finds it so hard to score tons in tests.
Virat has the same number of test hundreds as ABDV (21) having played 44 lesser tests!
Against top 6 teams, ABDV has only scored 4 away hundreds while Kohli has scored 10.
ABDV just hasn't done any justice to his talent in tests, a massive underachiever in my book. Kohli will easily surpass him in tests, if he hasn't yet.