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Virat Kohli vs Babar Azam - comparison of first 77 ODI innings
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How many succeesful 300 pl7s chases for kohli
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Honestly, who cares now? There is nothing to prove until Pakistan and India are competing against each other regularly
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Honestly if babar played as many matches as india he would have had 5k odis runs by his age.
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Kohli was 22 when he played his 77th ODI innings and that was way way before he hit his beastly peak (2013-18).....
OTOH, Babar Azam is 26 and is most likely already at his peak....
It just further validates Kohli's overall superiority over Babar when you see that he has similar stats to him even at a time he wasn't anywhere near his best.
OTOH, Babar Azam is 26 and is most likely already at his peak....
It just further validates Kohli's overall superiority over Babar when you see that he has similar stats to him even at a time he wasn't anywhere near his best.
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This is no disrespect towards Pak fans, but I'm genuinely curious why Pak posters are so interested in comparing their players with Indian players. Earlier it was comparing Inzamam with Sachin (which is the biggest joke ever in cricket) based on how 26 of his 25 Test centuries came in wins, and now Babar with Kohli. If it gives you satisfaction in thinking that Babar is a better batsman than Kohli, then so be it. Be happy thinking that.
There are plenty of players around the world whom you can compare with Babar, but it has to be only Kohli.
There are plenty of players around the world whom you can compare with Babar, but it has to be only Kohli.
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I agree with your viewpoint. Such desperation just elevates Kohli.
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Kohli the LOI batsmen is way way ahead of Babar. Chasing 300 plus / big scores is where Kohli gets going big time. Babar cant do that. He is very limited in that regard.
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Almost every Indian poster here including me agree that Babar is a very fine player, we really respect him. Add to that the guy is a good bloke, never acting like a fool on the field. A very, very likeable character. Isn't that enough?
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Same reason as the joke comparisons we used to see between Zaheer and Wasim Akram or Srinath and Waqar Younis back in the day. This is what fans do.
Anyways based on these stats Kohli is far ahead due to the fact Kohli was not in his peak
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All I can compare this situation to is India of the 90’s when they weren’t strong. But but they had Sachin. So win or lose, they could hold on to a Sachin performance. It sustained them through the decade.
Babar is Pakistan equivalent of 90’s Sachin - though not as prolific particularly in tests.
Everything else is all bad or false hope. Babar is all Pakistan have at the moment.
There is no compairison between the two. Both are fine players both have all the shots. The difference lies in King Kohlis mentality.
His approach to the game, the win it at every cost mentality, the hunger to be the best among the best is what seperates the two players.
Kohli genius is such that while chasing he is breaking down the run rate, the fielding, the bowlers he needs to target, when to target. While chasing 300 plus totals setting expectations so high that if Kohli is still at crease he can win the game.
That feeling is nowhere to be seen with babar, with babar i know while hes at the crease he will bring the game close but not home. As seen recently in the first odi vs SA.
Babar doesnt have that mamba mentality that Kohli does. He doesnt have the hunger to win at all costs that Kohli does.
He doesnt have the power game that kohli does.
He is simply a tier below even at 23 kohli had chased a 330+ target and scored 183.
Babar doesnt have the concentration or the willpower to pull a chase of like it was a walk in the park.
His approach to the game, the win it at every cost mentality, the hunger to be the best among the best is what seperates the two players.
Kohli genius is such that while chasing he is breaking down the run rate, the fielding, the bowlers he needs to target, when to target. While chasing 300 plus totals setting expectations so high that if Kohli is still at crease he can win the game.
That feeling is nowhere to be seen with babar, with babar i know while hes at the crease he will bring the game close but not home. As seen recently in the first odi vs SA.
Babar doesnt have that mamba mentality that Kohli does. He doesnt have the hunger to win at all costs that Kohli does.
He doesnt have the power game that kohli does.
He is simply a tier below even at 23 kohli had chased a 330+ target and scored 183.
Babar doesnt have the concentration or the willpower to pull a chase of like it was a walk in the park.
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Coming back to point, Babar is a good batsman, and he has the talent and ability to get his name among the top 3 Pakistani batsmen ever. But just because he is a good batsman, you don't have to elevate him to a position where he doesn't belong.
The same happened back with Inzamam. Back when Sachin and Lara were fighting tooth and nail for the tag of the best batsman of their era. Pak fans started throwing Inzamam's name. Their logic, because 26 of 25 Inzamam's Test centuries came in wins.
Even Geoffrey Boycott laughed when that question was asked to him over a podcast. He laughed it off and said that Inzamam doesn't belong to the great category, and he was just a fine player and a credit to the game.
That's problem with Pak fans is their superiority complex. Back in the 90's and 2000's, their ego was hurt because an Indian was considered all around the world as the best batsman in the world. How can that be? Pakistan was a better team than India back then, and Pakistan had all the rights to every category of best players back then. It annoyed them to no end that an Indian was considered the best batsman in the world. So they chose Inzamam and tried to elevate him to Sachin's class, and beat him by arguing how soooooooo many of his Test centuries came in wins.
The same is happening now with Babar. Although Pak fans know which team is better between them and India, they try to elevate Babar in the same class as Kohli to soothe their ego.
The same happened back with Inzamam. Back when Sachin and Lara were fighting tooth and nail for the tag of the best batsman of their era. Pak fans started throwing Inzamam's name. Their logic, because 26 of 25 Inzamam's Test centuries came in wins.
Even Geoffrey Boycott laughed when that question was asked to him over a podcast. He laughed it off and said that Inzamam doesn't belong to the great category, and he was just a fine player and a credit to the game.
That's problem with Pak fans is their superiority complex. Back in the 90's and 2000's, their ego was hurt because an Indian was considered all around the world as the best batsman in the world. How can that be? Pakistan was a better team than India back then, and Pakistan had all the rights to every category of best players back then. It annoyed them to no end that an Indian was considered the best batsman in the world. So they chose Inzamam and tried to elevate him to Sachin's class, and beat him by arguing how soooooooo many of his Test centuries came in wins.
The same is happening now with Babar. Although Pak fans know which team is better between them and India, they try to elevate Babar in the same class as Kohli to soothe their ego.
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And Kohli achieved ICC N0-1 rank at 22.
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Nice essay but I don’t know what your point is when no one is even claiming Babar is better than Kohli.
Lol which Pakistani fans have claimed that Babar is better than Kohli? I’m genuinely curious about that. Even in this thread there is not a single Pakistani poster who has said that.
It almost seems you want to put words into the mouths of Pakistani fans and then have the outrage over that lol.
Yes there may be some outliers who believe Babar>Kohli but as per your own post a little earlier such people are small minority and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Besides any great upcoming batsman will naturally be compared to the best LOI batsman of the era. And Kohli undoubtedly is the best white ball batsman of the era.
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Babar is miles ahead.
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In First 77 matches.
3 100's while chasing 300+ targets successfully.
183 against Pak.
133* and 107 against SL
There are so many winning knocks when target is 270+
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I am not sure why we as Indians are upset by this?
The best players from any country, in any team sport, are compared to each other. Ronaldo and Messi, Nadal and Federa...in cricket it just so happens we have had the best ODI batsman, so the best batsmen from other countries are compared, Root and Kohli famously in the white ball games back in 2018, again in the tests this season, Smith and Kohli back in India in that now famous series and so on and so forth.
Pakistan just happen to have the best young batsman on the planet, guess what/ He too is going to be compared to Kohli and his numbers look great!
I have no idea why so many Indians have this inferiority complex.
Why indian compare all their lefties thundler bowler with wasim.
Pakistani never compare inzimam with Sachin. As inzimam was match winners.
At the time of Saeed and Sachin, Saeed Anwar was miles ahead with Sachin
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Lol you’re just doing this to annoy the OP I hope haha
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Babar average is very good and he scored more 100s compared to kohli in first 77 matches.
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It’s natural. India and Pakistan are arch-rivals like AUS-ENG.
ENG is always comparing its fast bowlers to AUS and its spinners to Warne (how much they suck in comparison). ENG and AUS constantly compare their batsmen as well.
Every time an Indian bowler makes headlines, do they compare him to Indian bowlers? No; if he’s really good and performs well, comparisons are made with Wasim, Waqar, and a few AUS bowlers.
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Pakistan should overcome it delusions and stay in its own lane. It is now a lower-tier side in the same league as Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies, Afghanistan etc.
South Africa are probably in this league too for now, but they have always had more talent than Pakistan and they will be one of the elite sides soon.
Pakistan is no longer capable of locking horns with the top sides in the world on a consistent basis.
The reality is that if Babar was Indian, he would probably have played around 27 ODIs so far instead of 77.
He won’t be getting into the top 3 - he would primarily be used as backup to the top 3 and will get a few games at 4 every now and then.
Babar is a deaf king among blind men. He is an elite player for Pakistani standards but not by Indian standards. He will never be as good as Kohli and Rohit.
More like he is miles behind... he has played one great innings in 77 matches... kohli had like 7 easy.
When babar scores 183 chasing 330 plus like its a walk in the park maybe this conversation will have more merit.
Kohli did that when he was 23 vs pakistan... babar is 26 now and hasnt even score more then 130 once in odis that too after facing weak attacks at home.
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Babar will never play magical innings like the following Kohli specials:
- 183 vs Pakistan in the 2012 Asia Cup
- 133 in 86 balls vs Sri Lanka in the Australian tri-series
- the century against England in Pune in 2017 when he chased down 350 after India were 60/4.
- 52 ball century against Australia to chase down 360 in 42 overs.
- the masterclass against Australia in the previous WT20.
These type of larger than life knocks are beyond Babar. He simply doesn’t have the talent, or the skill, or the mentality, or the aura, or the guts to pull off such performances.
He is an Amla level ODI player. An excellent, consistent accumulator, but that is where his story ends as a white ball player.
However, to his credit, the innings that he played against New Zealand in the World Cup was certainly far better than anything Amla has pulled off under pressure.
Virat Kohli has the same aura and presence in his respective domain as Cristiano Ronaldo or Mohammad Ali or Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan.
Babar is nowhere near in comparison.
- 183 vs Pakistan in the 2012 Asia Cup
- 133 in 86 balls vs Sri Lanka in the Australian tri-series
- the century against England in Pune in 2017 when he chased down 350 after India were 60/4.
- 52 ball century against Australia to chase down 360 in 42 overs.
- the masterclass against Australia in the previous WT20.
These type of larger than life knocks are beyond Babar. He simply doesn’t have the talent, or the skill, or the mentality, or the aura, or the guts to pull off such performances.
He is an Amla level ODI player. An excellent, consistent accumulator, but that is where his story ends as a white ball player.
However, to his credit, the innings that he played against New Zealand in the World Cup was certainly far better than anything Amla has pulled off under pressure.
Virat Kohli has the same aura and presence in his respective domain as Cristiano Ronaldo or Mohammad Ali or Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan.
Babar is nowhere near in comparison.
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Everybody knows these comparisons are bogus where first X number of innings are compared. Just look at the Kohli vs Umar Akmal or Umar Akmal vs Sachin threads where Umar for a handful innings was equal to Sachin.
It’s about impact and longevity, that’s why most of these comparisons are doomed to failure because they just look at raw stats in a small window of the careers of two players and miss the big picture.
Babar has not played any high impact innings like Kohli, YET. Remains to be seen if he can in the future. Longevity wise, we’ll know when both hang up their boots.
Comparisons should be done when players have finished careers, everything before that is mere speculation. Though 90% of the discussion these days is Pakistan player vs Indian player, with Pakistanis trying to clutch at straws most of the time and Indians trying to mock the Pakistani player.
It’s about impact and longevity, that’s why most of these comparisons are doomed to failure because they just look at raw stats in a small window of the careers of two players and miss the big picture.
Babar has not played any high impact innings like Kohli, YET. Remains to be seen if he can in the future. Longevity wise, we’ll know when both hang up their boots.
Comparisons should be done when players have finished careers, everything before that is mere speculation. Though 90% of the discussion these days is Pakistan player vs Indian player, with Pakistanis trying to clutch at straws most of the time and Indians trying to mock the Pakistani player.
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Yes, Kohli has played better innings than Babar and is a better player.
However, that doesn’t mean you cannot make comparisons across nations simply because one nation is much better than another.
What would your answer be to Andy Flower vs. Sidhu? Would you say one is better than another simply because of the color of their jersey?
If everyone were to accept your perpetual defeatist attitude, they might as well not tune in since the outcome of every match is pretty much guaranteed.
And even if it is, remember, millions will still tune in because it is PAK vs. IND, not to see who players better cricket. The ICC knows this very well.
As far as Babar vs. Rohit, the former may not be as good a player as the latter overall, but his numbers are superior in ODI’s and in Tests, Babar is a better overall player.
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I can't imagine what Pakistani fans would have done if Kohli played for the team. 
Some of the chases he's pulled off would be the greatest ODI knocks in Pakistan history.
Some of the chases he's pulled off would be the greatest ODI knocks in Pakistan history.
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Edit: Ignore the last sentence. Rohit is a better ODI batsman and Babar is a better Test batsman.
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Then what is the point of this cherry picked comparison? A random 77 match cut off?
Whats the point of thes comparisons if not to compare?
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Babar Azam is severely under-rated in World Cricket. He should be talked in the same breath as Kohli, Smith etc. His achievements have been high quality.
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This thread can be continued every 10 innings Babar plays..
Babar has along way to go, Virat has now played 254 ODI games and averages 59. Babar, has to play even better than he is doing now, for another 170 odd ODI games to match Virat.
He also has to catch up with Virat in T20 and Test too
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1) You judge a good talent and benchmark him to the best. There is a difference between comparison and saying one is better than the other
2) OP is just one post; not the Pakistani fan base as a whole. And he most likely took it from some website. Heck I’ve seen cricinfo have such comparisons in past too. So may be take it up with them. Commentators have said it too.
3) anyone has right to do any comparison they want. Or even say Babar is better than Kohli if they feel so. My post is about the fact that not many, if any, Pakistani fans have actually claimed that so Hitman is just putting words into people’s mouths and then having his fake outrage lol
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I can't imagine what Pakistani fans would have done if Kohli played for the team.
Some of the chases he's pulled off would be the greatest ODI knocks in Pakistan history.
Similar to the situation babar faces now, most of the chases kohli pulled off wouldnt have been successful as he wouldnt of had rohit dhoni etc to assist him in the chase.
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Fakhar just showed you can still play epic innings even if team doesn't contribute. Sachin did the same, his innings sometimes came in losses, but doesn't mean he didn't try
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Just pointing out almost an identical thread which was posted here some years ago
Umar Akmal vs Sachin after 71 ODI innings
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...l-Sachin-Tendulkar-(A-Statistical-Comparison)
Umar Akmal vs Sachin after 71 ODI innings
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...l-Sachin-Tendulkar-(A-Statistical-Comparison)
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These all comparisons are useless as long as PCB management and selfish, jealous coaches like Waqar are in the system and hellbent on destroying upcoming talents
Forget Kohli. Ahmad Shahzad was surpassing even Tendlukar and Australian Mathew Hayden in his first two dozen games or something. But PCB ensured his career was derailed in ODIs.
So the point is that these comparisons are pointless and there is no point being happy with progress so far when we know that selfish coaches who cannot handle success will try to undermine talents in the future.
Atleast Babar has received several thousand more times support than Ahmad ever did but still its only a matter of time before we run into some selfish and jealous PCB administrator
Forget Kohli. Ahmad Shahzad was surpassing even Tendlukar and Australian Mathew Hayden in his first two dozen games or something. But PCB ensured his career was derailed in ODIs.
So the point is that these comparisons are pointless and there is no point being happy with progress so far when we know that selfish coaches who cannot handle success will try to undermine talents in the future.
Atleast Babar has received several thousand more times support than Ahmad ever did but still its only a matter of time before we run into some selfish and jealous PCB administrator
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It is not about the color of the jersey. Flower was a far better player than Sidhu, just like Babar is a better better player than Kedhar Jhadav and Rizwan is far better than Dinesh Kartik.
India’s WK batsmen during Flower’s time were the likes of Mongia. Flower was obviously miles ahead of them.
But Babar is not a better batsman than Rohit. Rohit is a superstar; he is probably the GOAT ODI opener along with Sachin, and the only reason why it is probably too late for him to become a Test legend is because India have criminally utilized him in the Test format by not opening with him earlier.
Had they promoted him back in 2014-15 when had already established himself as an elite ODI opener, he could have surpassed Sehwag’s Test legacy.
Peak Kohli and Rohit are better batsmen than anyone Pakistan has ever produced. You put Kohli (2012-2019) and Rohit (2018-today) in the same team as Miandad, Majid, Hanif, Zaheer, Saleem, Inzamam, Yousuf, Younis as well as Babar and they will outperform the latter more often than not.
The best Indian batsmen in any era will always be far ahead of the best Pakistan that has produced. That has not changed over the last 40 years that is unlikely to change in the future.
They simply have far more talent and a vastly superior batting culture.
Babar is comparable to the support cast of Indian batting like KL Rahul, Iyer, Agarwal etc. the only reason he has better numbers and more recognition is because he does not have to be in the shadow of the likes of Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan and Pujara (Tests) and the level of competition that he faces in Pakistan is a joke.
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Babar is in the top 3 LOI bat in this era. He's better than Smith and root. That I know. You can make the argument KW is slightly better than him. Kohli is the best of all of them.
And if you count tests then it's not even a contest.
And if you count tests then it's not even a contest.
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I'd still put Babar above that support cast but he's still below the Superstar status of Rohit and Kohli
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That is fine but the gap isn’t as significant as our fans like to think. They have deluded themselves into thinking that Babar is several notches above them and in the same league as Kohli and Rohit. That couldn’t be further from the truth.
You put Babar and KL Rahul in the same team and Babar is not going to stand out by much, and Agarwal was scoring 200s and 150s against the same Maharaj and co. who completely rinsed Babar few months back in the same type of conditions.
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Can someone pull out stats of the original post? Like what were the opposition like? Batting first or chasing? in wins/losses.
Kohli was pretty much still in the shadow of the Tendulkar, Sehwags, Gambhirs in the first few careers. It's only when all of them went through a sudden and horrendous decline that he stepped up his game to a 100.
Kohli was pretty much still in the shadow of the Tendulkar, Sehwags, Gambhirs in the first few careers. It's only when all of them went through a sudden and horrendous decline that he stepped up his game to a 100.
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The original post is still before Kohlis peak. I'd like to see the comparison stats once he's playing ODI 150.
I'll give a chance to Babar. Maybe the best is still yet to come. He's still relatively early in his career assuming he's sticking around
I'll give a chance to Babar. Maybe the best is still yet to come. He's still relatively early in his career assuming he's sticking around
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Between the two I definitely know who I'd want any child/junior/friend to emulate behavior wise on the field, when they are playing with their friends etc....a pity one of them behaves like a headless chook and represents us....and the other clearly is better behaved....
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What the stats don't show is that Kohli takes off to GOAT status after a sedate start, by his standards, to his ODI career (he has 35 tons in the next 2 thirds of his ODI career - wow)
These comparison threads man... it doesn't matter what they look like statistically, ATM Babar isn't at the same level. I like Babar for us. He gives me a confidence in Pak batting that I haven't had in years, I hope he can improve further but comparisons with Kohli are off right now.
These comparison threads man... it doesn't matter what they look like statistically, ATM Babar isn't at the same level. I like Babar for us. He gives me a confidence in Pak batting that I haven't had in years, I hope he can improve further but comparisons with Kohli are off right now.
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He also hasn't scored a ton since, what? 2019?
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Kohli started his career when India had guys like Sehwag/Tendulkar/Gambhir/Yuvraj/Dhoni/Raina. So his role was not exactly going to be accumulating runs. This is a pointless comparison.
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One of the more nuanced posts on this thread.
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The thing is, Indians are into worshipping their star cricketers and turn them into gods. So they are very offended, like you, whenever some one dare to compare a cricketer of his country to their "gods".
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Indians are long past that though. Kohli is one of the most abused cricketer today anywhere in india. Before that Dhoni was criticized no end before retiting.
It's Pakistanis who bring back fixers and still praise cricketers who turn their back on their country because they performed once against india in a final 4 years ago. IMO that's what worship is, blind faith in someone
No one is offended here. People are just laughing at the comparison.
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And then look at the way he repaid their blind faith on him.
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