Visa issues for Pakistan-origin cricketers touring India

[Devadwal]

https://www.hcilondon.gov.in/page/persons-of-pakistani-origin/

Here. Is the procedure if anyone wants to know about it

@Markhor @HitWicket

 

[Local.Dada]

English professional cricketers of Pakistani heritage, who have previously toured India repeatedly without any problems, are highly unlikely to represent a security threat to the Indian state.

Khalid Latif: Cricketer sentenced over Dutch MP Geert Wilders murder threat - BBC News

It is thought unlikely ex-Pakistan international Khalid Latif will serve any time in jail.

www.bbc.com

Pakistani cricketer threatened a Dutch politician. Now I beleive this guy was a presidential candidate too for Netherlands. Don’t care about his politics but need to see if the player coming in has these kind of baggage associated. Cricket is a very small thing in context to national security.

Obviously not all Pakistanis of British origin are terrorists and there is some discrimination here but it is what it is. National security is prime importance.

 

[HitWicket]

https://www.hcilondon.gov.in/page/persons-of-pakistani-origin/

Here. Is the procedure if anyone wants to know about it

@Markhor @HitWicket

And which bit of this procedure are you claiming (with proof I assume) the ECB haven't followed?

 

[Markhor]

Bhaijaan, India and Pak have trust issues and terror issues.

Pakistani from Pak is given visa for specific occasions so it is easy to keep a check.

Pakistanis from Pakistan overseas have been involved in various terror financing, terror scoping and other criminal-terror activities in India due to which there are additional checks.

why is it so hard to grasp.

If you followed my posts on Time Pass section for last 10+ years you will know my stance on terrorism and Pakistani security policies.

Again, nobody is denying you the right to make additional checks on people of Pakistani origin.

All that's being asked is for some common sense to be applied. I must have missed the suicide bombings that Adil Rashid, Rehan Ahmed, Shoaib Bashir etc sponsored on their last tour of India.

I must have missed the story that Ben Stokes and Brendon McCullum are terror financers and running terror training camps (although we can talk about Bazball later).

These English Pakistani origin cricketers with no history of offending overseas are highly unlikely to represent any security threat to the Indian state and people. These security checks therefore should be fast-tracked, otherwise yes, people will draw the conclusion that you're just throwing your weight around unnecessarily like a bully.

 

[Azzurri]

These are international cricketers. What do the panjeets expect? Shall he gives his passport to Indian authorities and wait for months? These players travel regularly and need their passports for that.

Indians and their narrow minded stupidity is beyond comprehension

 

[Markhor]

Khalid Latif: Cricketer sentenced over Dutch MP Geert Wilders murder threat - BBC News

It is thought unlikely ex-Pakistan international Khalid Latif will serve any time in jail.

www.bbc.com

Pakistani cricketer threatened a Dutch politician. Now I beleive this guy was a presidential candidate too for Netherlands. Don’t care about his politics but need to see if the player coming in has these kind of baggage associated. Cricket is a very small thing in context to national security.

Obviously not all Pakistanis of British origin are terrorists and there is some discrimination here but it is what it is. National security is prime importance.

How long does it take to a conduct a security check ?

Look if someone is radicalised, it won't take long upon viewing their social networks or legal history to determine whether they're a security threat.

But I repeat, English cricketers of Pakistani familial origin have repeatedly toured India, and to my knowledge there has not been a single untoward incident.

And again to my knowledge, I'm unaware of Mahmood, Bashir or any of these guys becoming radicalised or coming into contact with extremists since their last tours of India. Believe me if they were, the British press, which has no love for Muslims would've unveiled that by now.

If this was a new English cricketer of Pakistani origin, okay you could make an argument for a delay. But doing this again and again ?

 

[Devadwal]

And which bit of this procedure are you claiming (with proof I assume) the ECB haven't followed?

If they had followed then would have already granted the Visa. Very simple

Read the Bashir Visa issue than you'll learn about it .

 

[HitWicket]

If they had followed then would have already granted the Visa. Very simple

Read the Bashir Visa issue than you'll learn about it .

Based on what exactly? If they follow the procedure you've listed it can still take multiple months to get the visa.

 

[Devadwal]

Based on what exactly? If they follow the procedure you've listed it can still take multiple months to get the visa.

I don't know what is the exact issue with Mahmood but i know about why Bashir had faced the Visa issue last year

Bashir visa needed to be stamped in the UK. The ECB sent Shoaib Bashir to the UAE, thinking it would be stamped in a third country.
Not following basic procedures , assuming things and then crying foul is an old English way.

 

[HitWicket]

I don't know what is the exact issue with Mahmood but i know about why Bashir had faced the Visa issue last year

Bashir visa needed to be stamped in the UK. The ECB sent Shoaib Bashir to the UAE, thinking it would be stamped in a third country.
Not following basic procedures , assuming things and then crying foul is an old English way.

Bashir returned to the UK to get the visa stamped as soon as it was approved. The fact he was in the UAE was irrelevant to how long it took to get the visa approved in the first place.

 

[Devadwal]

Bashir returned to the UK to get the visa stamped as soon as it was approved. The fact he was in the UAE was irrelevant to how long it took to get the visa approved in the first place.

No Bashir was already there in UAE where all the England team players were practicing .Bashir returned to UK once india denied the stamped in the Third country ( UAE)

As i Said they have to follow all the rules and don't assume they will treated as VIP just because they are cricketer. no special favour for pakistan heritage peoples. Soon the ECB understand better for them in the future .

Every year this same problem happens with ECB still they haven't learnt any lession.

 

[RidiculousMan]

@cricketjoshila Do you view us Pakistanis as threat?

 

[HitWicket]

No Bashir was already there in UAE where all the England team players were practicing .Bashir returned to UK once india denied the stamped in the Third country ( UAE)

As i Said they have to follow all the rules and don't assume they will treated as VIP just because they are cricketer. no special favour for pakistan heritage peoples. Soon the ECB understand better for them in the future .

Every year this same problem happens with ECB still they haven't learnt any lession.

Your example of the protocol being broken is a player breaking the rule that requires them to get their visa stamped in London by... travelling to London and getting their visa stamped...? You've literally just demonstrated that the rules were followed to the letter.

The bureaucracy of requiring the visa to be stamped in London is an extra issue but that's a debate for another day.

 

[Devadwal]

Your example of the protocol being broken is a player breaking the rule that requires them to get their visa stamped in London by... travelling to London and getting their visa stamped...? You've literally just demonstrated that the rules were followed to the letter.

The bureaucracy of requiring the visa to be stamped in London is an extra issue but that's a debate for another day.

Why he was already travelled to UAE when his india Visa was not granted by the Indian High commission London?

You're not making any sence now .

 

[HitWicket]

Why he was already travelled to UAE when his india Visa was not granted by the Indian High commission London?

You're not making any sence now .

To train with the rest of the team until his visa was approved. What about that doesn't make sense to you...? Where exactly is the protocol that he can't travel abroad whilst waiting for his visa to be approved once his passport has been returned?

 

[Devadwal]

To train with the rest of the team until his visa was approved. What about that doesn't make sense to you...? Where exactly is the protocol that he can't travel abroad whilst waiting for his visa to be approved once his passport has been returned?

ECB wanted Bashir visa to stamped in UAE while GOI india policy has no such policy to stamped in third country.

Why you not understand this simple facts .

 

[HitWicket]

ECB wanted Bashir visa to stamped in UAE while GOI india policy has no such policy to stamped in third country.

A completely unsourced claim.

Regardless though, it's irrelevant. The issue is the time taken to get the visas approved, not the time between approval and stamping.

 

[Devadwal]

A completely unsourced claim.

Regardless though, it's irrelevant. The issue is the time taken to get the visas approved, not the time between approval and stamping.

Thread '[VIDEOS/PICTURES] England's latest find - Shoaib Bashir'

Dec 11, 2023

Shoaib Bashir, the 20-year-old Somerset off-spinner who made his first-class debut in the summer, has been handed a maiden Test call-up for England’s tour of India in the new year.

Bashir has only 10 first-class wickets to his name but impressed as part of England’s recent training camp in the United Arab Emirates, likewise Lancashire’s Tom Hartley, a left-arm spinner, who has similarly been elevated to the Test setup.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1734221682322104458

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Check this thread all rhe sources is available .

It is not irrelevant because ECB is incompetent while they are already knowing the Visa process they didn't learnt any lesson .

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes, he literally broke the countries biosecurity laws, which Law has Saqib broken...?



He wasn't denied entry, he was denied the right to permanently immigrate here because there were plenty of local talent better qualified for his position, with the playing experience at a higher level to prove it.



Can you really not see how the examples you've given above are completely different?



That's exactly what they're doing, doesn't mean the racism can't be called out at the same time.



Er... What...? Of course they do. There's literally an entire different visa process for international sportspeople to enable them to be fast tracked through.

Racism? What racism?

Visa rules are not racism. Every country has separate visa rules for separate nationalities.

This card won't work here.

 

[kingusama92]

Some common sense should be applied in these situations.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its a known cricketer.

The Indians have no real power in the world apart from cricket so use this to show off their vegetarian muscles. Its embarrassing how this nation is so pathetic, it needs to use Visa powers for English cricketers to get a kick.

India needs to realise not many Pakistanis or those with this background want to visit a 3rd world nation such as India, unless they have family or for sports work.

Indians have far more Power than Pakistan will ever have. That's why all Pakistan can do is whine about Kashmir. IK was reduced to whining on X.

Anyone with Pakistani background will undergo proper vetting before he is let in. No exceptions.

Pakistanis must realise that not even sportsmen visited Pakistan for many years. Even now Pakistan has to give presidential Security to get sportsmen to play in pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The extra 'checks' aren't to find out if someone is of Pakistani origin though, they're literally only carried out if people self declare that they're of Pakistani origin.

If the Indian authorities need over a month to check if someone is on a terror watchlist and has criminal convictions then it appears they've only managed to get even more incompetent since then.

One doesn't need to be a on terror watchlists or have criminal convictions, spies or sleeper workers have none of that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

These are international cricketers. What do the panjeets expect? Shall he gives his passport to Indian authorities and wait for months? These players travel regularly and need their passports for that.

Indians and their narrow minded stupidity is beyond comprehension

Don't apply for the visas. If you apply follow the rules.

We don't care who you are as long as you have pakistani heritage.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan origin players have regularly played IPL. Almost all of them get visas and come and play without issues. How is that arranged?

How does ECB mess up 3 times in 12 months? Incompetence? Colonial hangover?

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan origin players have regularly played IPL. Almost all of them get visas and come and play without issues. How is that arranged?

How does ECB mess up 3 times in 12 months? Incompetence? Colonial hangover?

ECB officials are incompetent . Saqib mahmood Visa was already rejected Twice/ thrice by india yet they didn't follow the proper procedures.

They think india is still colony of them . Lol

 

[Devadwal]

Some common sense should be applied in these situations.

No compromise to the indian Visa policy just for some random cricketer.

They have to follow the rules or stay there.

UK rejected our sportsperson visa just because of Their policy so why should we compromise when they didn't??

 

[FearlessRoar]

England pacer Saqib Mahmood granted visa for white-ball tour to India: Report​

England fast bowler Saqib Mahmood has reportedly received his visa for the upcoming white-ball tour to India, which begins next week. Mahmood will now travel with the England squad on Friday when they depart for the subcontinent.

According to a report by Mail Sport, Mahmood was initially scheduled to travel to the UAE last Thursday to join a pace bowling camp alongside Jofra Archer, Gus Atkinson, Brydon Carse, and Mark Wood. However, his flight was cancelled as his passport remained with the Indian Embassy, despite submitting the required paperwork last month. The delay prevented him from bowling outdoors in freezing UK conditions, while his teammates trained in the UAE under the guidance of fast-bowling mentor Jimmy Anderson.

Visa delays have occasionally impacted cricketers of Pakistani origin. Last year, England spinner Shoaib Bashir missed the first Test in Hyderabad due to a visa-related issue. Similarly, Mahmood faced visa complications six years ago, resulting in his exclusion from an England Lions tour to India.

Anticipating potential delays, he chose not to apply for a visa for Lancashire’s pre-season tour last year. Other England players of Pakistani heritage, including Rehan Ahmed and Adil Rashid, have reportedly already received their visas for this tour.

Visa delays are not limited to England players; Australian opener Usman Khawaja also encountered similar issues during a tour in 2023.

Mahmood, 27, has played 29 matches for England across formats but saw his progress hindered by consecutive lower-back stress fractures following his Test debut in 2022. He made a strong return with a match-winning spell in the 2024 Hundred final and was named Player of the Series during England’s T20Is in the Caribbean in November.

England pacer Saqib Mahmood granted visa for white-ball tour to India: Report

England fast bowler Saqib Mahmood has reportedly secured his visa for the impending white-ball tour of India, which begins next week. Mahmood will now join the England squad for their trip to the subcontinent on Friday.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[sweep_shot]

These are international cricketers. What do the panjeets expect? Shall he gives his passport to Indian authorities and wait for months? These players travel regularly and need their passports for that.

Indians and their narrow minded stupidity is beyond comprehension

Yes.

Cricket has been ruined due to their petty politics.

 

[HitWicket]

Pakistan origin players have regularly played IPL. Almost all of them get visas and come and play without issues. How is that arranged?

How does ECB mess up 3 times in 12 months? Incompetence? Colonial hangover?

The IPL auction happens 4+ months in advance allowing times for British players of Pakistani origins o go through the racist process in most cases. There are exceptions to that such as Moeen Ali missing games during the IPL in 2022 because of visa delays when he couldn't submit his passport that far in advance.

The ECB haven't messed up.

 

[HitWicket]

Thread '[VIDEOS/PICTURES] England's latest find - Shoaib Bashir'

Dec 11, 2023

Shoaib Bashir, the 20-year-old Somerset off-spinner who made his first-class debut in the summer, has been handed a maiden Test call-up for England’s tour of India in the new year.

Bashir has only 10 first-class wickets to his name but impressed as part of England’s recent training camp in the United Arab Emirates, likewise Lancashire’s Tom Hartley, a left-arm spinner, who has similarly been elevated to the Test setup.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1734221682322104458

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• Replies: 170
• Forum: Cricket

Check this thread all rhe sources is available .

It is not irrelevant because ECB is incompetent while they are already knowing the Visa process they didn't learnt any lesson .

So a random speculative tweet for Venkatesh Prasad...? Seems like a reliable source.

The fact Bashir was in the UAE delayed his visa being approved by 0 days. He followed the 'procedure' (which funnily enough wasn't on your original procedure list) and got it stamped in London. It's therefore irrelevant to a discussion about how long it's taking to get visas approved.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The IPL auction happens 4+ months in advance allowing times for British players of Pakistani origins o go through the racist process in most cases. There are exceptions to that such as Moeen Ali missing games during the IPL in 2022 because of visa delays when he couldn't submit his passport that far in advance.

The ECB haven't messed up.

Only the mega auction happen 3-4 months advance. Annual auctions happen even in February.

IPL teams know the visa process abd follow it. The English team is usually touring in winter months still IPL teams manage the visa.

Shoaib Bashir: Pakistani origin persons need to apply for visa from the country their passport is from. Yet ECB flew Bashir to UAE and tried to get him a visa from Dubai. Nothing to do with time, more to do with ECB messing up.

Rehan Ahmed: He had a single entry Indian visa. Yet the English team travelled to UAE between 2nd and third test. Rehan was stopped at the airport on return as it was a single entry visa.

Now this Saqib

Oh btw if you think you will play the racism card and Indians will get scared or something, you are wrong.

This may work against the labour party and UK where racism card is used often and law enforcement looks the other way. Not happening here. We don't give two hoots if pakistanis with whatever passport calls us racist.

They are free to not apply for the visa.

 

[HitWicket]

Only the mega auction happen 3-4 months advance. Annual auctions happen even in February.

IPL teams know the visa process abd follow it. The English team is usually touring in winter months still IPL teams manage the visa.

The last 3 IPL auctions have all happened in November/December. The last one to occur in February was 2022, which was also the last time there was visa issues.

Shoaib Bashir: Pakistani origin persons need to apply for visa from the country their passport is from. Yet ECB flew Bashir to UAE and tried to get him a visa from Dubai. Nothing to do with time, more to do with ECB messing up.

No, Bashir applied for the visa from the UK. Once his passport has been returned where he then went was irrelevant to the visa processing time. Once it was approved he returned to the UK to have it stamped as required. His travel to the UAE made no difference in how long it took to get approved.

Rehan Ahmed: He had a single entry Indian visa. Yet the English team travelled to UAE between 2nd and third test. Rehan was stopped at the airport on return as it was a single entry visa.

This was an error, but isn't really relevant to the discussion about visa processing times.

Now this Saqib

What has been done wrong in Saqib's case?

Oh btw if you think you will play the racism card and Indians will get scared or something, you are wrong.

They're discriminating between people of the same citizenship based on where their grandparents were born, it's textbook racism, there's no card to play.

 

[sweep_shot]

They're discriminating between people of the same citizenship based on where their grandparents were born, it's textbook racism, there's no card to play.

Agree.

Can you imagine if they were on the receiving end? They probably would cry about it for many months.

They can dish it out but can't take it.

 

[BouncerGuy]

India has all the tricks in the book to cover their extreme approach to Pakistan and Pakistan-origin people. If your great-grandfather was from Pakistan but you have been born and raised in UK or Europe, you will still be judges as a Pakistani...LOL

 

[AAli98]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1944895504652869792