Was the 1999 World Cup final Pakistan's most painful defeat in a World Cup?

[Mehran07]

I stopped watching cricket after this defeat untill 2009 world t20. My neighbour broken his TV after Pakistan's innings of 132 all out. So it is the most painful defeat.

 

[ali2220]

A loss in final always hurt most and if we talk about loses in semis, then honestly the 87 loss was far more painful than the Mohali loss. 1999 loss was the most painful as we actually had a very good team just like 87, though they lost to a team that was deserving champs.

 

[Asif khan]

Wasim, with some justification had no faith in his batsmen chasing. The one thing at Lords, especially in the 90's with all the Natwest finals is once you win the toss you look at the overhead conditions.

No one should know this better than Wasim who won it the the year before against Derbyshire in similar conditions. The game then too was over as a contest after an hour or so.

I'm sure Wasim contemplated bowling but stuck to the tried and tested.

We all saw what happened, bowlers like Moody and Reiffel were bowling snorters yet there was nothing in the wicket when Shoaib was bowling 95+mph.

When the sun came out in the afternoon the wicket became a batsman's paradise.

 

[Ikball]

I am watching worldcups since 1992. But almost did not watch matches between them. except after WC 2011, I am regularly following it.

For me, most painful WC defeat is 1996 quarter final. Al thought I did not watch that match due to exams, only few overs due to dinner break. Then Pakistan was cruising to win, 113/0 , Amir sohail getting emotional and then..........

Mohali defeat was not much painful like that, but was very angry and depressed on team, As 260 was chasable target.

 

[waleed88]

Wasim, with some justification had no faith in his batsmen chasing. The one thing at Lords, especially in the 90's with all the Natwest finals is once you win the toss you look at the overhead conditions.



No one should know this better than Wasim who won it the the year before against Derbyshire in similar conditions. The game then too was over as a contest after an hour or so.



I'm sure Wasim contemplated bowling but stuck to the tried and tested.



We all saw what happened, bowlers like Moody and Reiffel were bowling snorters yet there was nothing in the wicket when Shoaib was bowling 95+mph.



When the sun came out in the afternoon the wicket became a batsman's paradise.

Not really check the highlights.

It was a flat track with the new ball well negotiated.

Pakistan were only 2 down with 25 overs gone.

Mcgrath Fleming Reiffel hadnt done much damage with the ball.

Razzaq and Ijaz had played reasonably well.

Inzamam came in and we shouldve just continued with our normal approach instead of trying to go Gung-ho vs Warne.

If you look at most of our wickets, its mostly our batsman getting out to their own mistakes. Trying to hit out balls they had no businness hitting them out.

Except the Warne delivery thay got Ijaz, that was comparable to the one that got Gibbs out in the semi final.

 

[Harsh Thakor]

I remember not being able to sleep the night before the 1999 World Cup final, I was that excited.

We had a house full and the atmosphere was electric. Hopes were high as Pakistan had been excellent in large parts of the tournament and had so many matchwinners in the line-up.

However what transpired was painful, embarassing and frankly difficult to stomach.

I remember the match being over literally in a few hours and the day being ruined.

It took me a long time to get over that defeat and it still hurts !

Do you think that defeat in the 1999 World Cup final is the most painful defeat ever for Pakistan at the world cup?

To me still the most heartbreaking defeat was the 1987 semi-final defeat when Pakistan were the best team and clear favourites to capture the title.Never had it dominated proceedings so much in a world cup like in 1987.Very close behind was the 1wicket defeat against West Indies at Edgbaston in 1975 after reducing the Calypsos to 203-9 chasing 267 to win.Captaincy possibly cost Pakistan a famous win against the eventual champions.At 3rd the loss in 1979 semi-final when chasing 293 to win Pakistan were coasting at 176-1 with Majid and Zaheer in full flow.Had Miandad or Asif Iqbal come in after Zaher fell at 176 Pakistan may well have conquered the eventual champions.History virtually repeated itself.4th the 1999 final where Pakistan played like a first class team.To me they deserved to win the title arguably more in 1975,79 and 87 if you ***** performance in matches.Just imagine Pak winning the games I listed and the bearing it would have had.I hope readers read my full piece earlier where I reflected on this.

Also feel they deserved to loose in 1996 while in 1999 threw the game away with Misbah's tactics and 4 dropped catches of Sachin.

 

[karthikc]

Even Imran mentioned that the 1987 semi-final loss hurt him the most , more so since it was at home.

Pakistan would have thrashed India had they faced them in 75 and 79 world cup editions. The only team India defeated all toget her in both those world cups was East Africa!!!

 

[Amjid Javed]

99 final does hurt the most, still dont understand why we batted 1st when conditions favoured fast bowling early on. There was no much emphasis on the team to supposidly put total on the board and then try and defend them, sadly we chocked in that final.

The 96 1/4 final loss to India comes a 2nd close as we threw that game away with poor bowling in death overs and then batting middle order failed to make the most of a flying start platform set when we batted

 

[Markhor]

What a mentally weak team we are, just looking back at all these chokes over the years.

 

[imranq]

I disagree. Watch the highlights, we were in the game 25 overs in. Aussies were nervous, Mcgrath even dropped Razzaq's catch.

We let a team take us down very easily, they were nervous wrecks the Aussies in that final.

I guess the game against SA took too much out of them.

Somewhere in between we were complacent in that final that is for sure.

We were actually never in the game. Our RR was very low and we were losing wickets at regular intervals. We were 4-77 in 23 overs.

 

[Asif khan]

Not really check the highlights.

It was a flat track with the new ball well negotiated.

Pakistan were only 2 down with 25 overs gone.

Mcgrath Fleming Reiffel hadnt done much damage with the ball.

Razzaq and Ijaz had played reasonably well.

Inzamam came in and we shouldve just continued with our normal approach instead of trying to go Gung-ho vs Warne.

If you look at most of our wickets, its mostly our batsman getting out to their own mistakes. Trying to hit out balls they had no businness hitting them out.

Except the Warne delivery thay got Ijaz, that was comparable to the one that got Gibbs out in the semi final.

The conditions were overcast and at Lords the conditions and history suggested bat second.

Having seen many Natwest and B&H finals at Lords leading up to the World cup the advantage the team had bowling in overcast conditions were too evident.

I think Wasim might have been aware of that playing for Lancashire but he obviously did not trust his batting to chase any target down.

Also, Pakistan had lost 4 wickets after 25 overs but the dismissals didn't tell the full story. The wicket had considerable juice in it and the pressure the Australian bowlers were exerting mainly because of the conditions a wicket was always imminent.

If Pakistan chased, I still think Australia probably would have won because the Aussies were on a roll but I don't think it would have been so one-sided.

 

[Adil_94]

The post in this thread have the unintended effect of making us Indians feel like sadists lol.

Haha the 2003 WC made me think that Tendulkar always owned Akhtar. I remember before the game that my cousins were like Akhtar has Tendulkars number he wont do anything. And then him and Sehwag unleashed that fantastic assault. And obvs losing to your biggest rivals time after time on the biggest stage inflicts damage on our psyches

 

[Panic_attack]

Another point to consider is the way both teams won their respective semifinals. We coasted against New Zealand from ball one, but Australia had to snatch a victory from the jaws of defeat, which gave them the momentum and impetus to demolish us in the final.

They had a lot more intensity and desire, while we had it easy. Generally, I think teams that win hotly contested semifinals tend to win the finals more often.

I agree

1996 being an exception to the rule .....Aus vs WI match was a lot more intense than the India vs SL game(well it was way too intense but obviously for non cricketing reasons though)

 

[asifp]

1999 was the worst for the following reasons

1. We were the favourites going in
2. We had a really strong team
3. We actually were hoping to play Australia, rather than South Africa
4. We had already beaten Australia in a group stage

To this date I don't know why we decided to bat after winning the toss, given the fact how strong our bowling was, how we just won the SF chasing and also Lords is a ground that favours teams batting second. Plus if you have jitters might as well bowl first.

 

[Varun]

To this date I don't know why we decided to bat after winning the toss, given the fact how strong our bowling was, how we just won the SF chasing and also Lords is a ground that favours teams batting second. Plus if you have jitters might as well bowl first.

You couldn't win against that Aussie team. Your decision to bat, our decision to bowl a WC later and they still stomped both of us.

 

[waleed88]

We were actually never in the game. Our RR was very low and we were losing wickets at regular intervals. We were 4-77 in 23 overs.

In those times that was the normal approach.

If you watch the game vs Aussies in the group stages from 1999. We were in a similar position and went on to make 275.

If not 275 we couldve definotely made 230 odd which used to be a defendable score back then, considering Australia reached the final after defeating SA by scoring 212

 

[waleed88]

The conditions were overcast and at Lords the conditions and history suggested bat second.

Having seen many Natwest and B&H finals at Lords leading up to the World cup the advantage the team had bowling in overcast conditions were too evident.

I think Wasim might have been aware of that playing for Lancashire but he obviously did not trust his batting to chase any target down.

Also, Pakistan had lost 4 wickets after 25 overs but the dismissals didn't tell the full story. The wicket had considerable juice in it and the pressure the Australian bowlers were exerting mainly because of the conditions a wicket was always imminent.

If Pakistan chased, I still think Australia probably would have won because the Aussies were on a roll but I don't think it would have been so one-sided.

Australia was mentally fatigued after a strenous semi final.

Steve Waugh himself said in the man program that that semi final took alot out of them.

Mcgrath dropping Razzaq and then saying in the match program that they were realky nervous in the buildup to the game.

Pakistan went in as favorites but we literally caved in at the wrong time.

The way Anwar was stroking the ball around, there was no swing on the pitch after 4-5 overs.

Then Ijaz and Razzaq negotiated the new ball but for the life of me i cannot understand how we caved in so badly after negotiating the main threat of the new ball.

Flemimg was a decent bowler, paul reifel and moody were medium pacers.

Had we negotiated warne out we were looking at a decent score on board. 2230 wouldve enough considering those days 220 was defendable with a strong bowling attack.

 

[Cricket-passion]

I think for me the semi final exit in 1987 is right up there as it was in front of the home crowd. I saw people were weeping during exit from the stadium, it was really messed up defeat. After that, the mohali, and then the QF 1996 defeat to India.

 

[Cricket-passion]

Defeats like these are bound to raise some eyebrows and Justice Qayyum report also added fuel to the fire, so if someone is still baffled about final defeat then maybe reading Qayyum report may answer some questions. But, then who knows....

 

[Cricket-passion]

We beat them in the league stage. So I dont agree that in 1999 they were invincibles, yes in 2003 they beat India fair and square and they wer eon a roll, but, still Pak had them on the mat in the opening game and remember we were the ones who stopped their juggernaut in 2011 World Cup.

 

[Chokli]

Wasim, with some justification had no faith in his batsmen chasing. The one thing at Lords, especially in the 90's with all the Natwest finals is once you win the toss you look at the overhead conditions.

No one should know this better than Wasim who won it the the year before against Derbyshire in similar conditions. The game then too was over as a contest after an hour or so.

I'm sure Wasim contemplated bowling but stuck to the tried and tested.

We all saw what happened, bowlers like Moody and Reiffel were bowling snorters yet there was nothing in the wicket when Shoaib was bowling 95+mph.

When the sun came out in the afternoon the wicket became a batsman's paradise.

The conditions were overcast and at Lords the conditions and history suggested bat second.

Having seen many Natwest and B&H finals at Lords leading up to the World cup the advantage the team had bowling in overcast conditions were too evident.

I think Wasim might have been aware of that playing for Lancashire but he obviously did not trust his batting to chase any target down.

Also, Pakistan had lost 4 wickets after 25 overs but the dismissals didn't tell the full story. The wicket had considerable juice in it and the pressure the Australian bowlers were exerting mainly because of the conditions a wicket was always imminent.

If Pakistan chased, I still think Australia probably would have won because the Aussies were on a roll but I don't think it would have been so one-sided.

agreed, here's the score card -

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...e-final-national-westminster-bank-trophy-1998

ironically wasim as the captain lol

we chased against new zealand, not sure why it would have been an issue in the final with conditions favouring us

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Nah. That bowl out against India was the most heart breaking.

 

[Chokli]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

It wasn't even Pakistan's most painful defeat in 1999!

Pakistan had a really fine Test team that did brilliantly in the 1998-99 Asian Test Championship. But with Waqar fading, the selectors and the skipper Wasim Akram went for the wrong balance to the team on the tour of Australia.

Azhar Mahmood and Abdul Razzaq were emerging, as was Saqlain Mushtaq, while Shahid Afridi was falling out of favour in Tests and Mushtaq Ahmed was rusty after an injury lay-off.

And Aamer Sohail was prematurely discarded just before the tour of Australia at the end of the year.

Pakistan lost the First Test at Brisbane in spite of scoring enough runs because they didn't pick Waqar Younis and Mushtaq Ahmed, and the support bowling of Azhar Mahmood, Abdul Razzaq and Mushtaq Ahmed was not penetrative enough.

Then a dodgy umpiring decision cost them the Second Test.

But they would already have sealed the series 2-0 if they had gone into the Brisbane Test with:

1. Saeed Anwar
2. Aamer Sohail
3. Ijaz Ahmed
4. Inzamam
5. Yousuf Youhana
6. Azhar Mahmood
7. Shahid Afridi
8. Rashid Latif
9. Wasim Akram
10. Waqar Younis
11. Shoaib Akhtar

The three exclusions made all the difference.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Truth be told, that was the best ODI team Pakistan had.

 

[gazza619]

I felt more pain loosing the 1996 QF against India. The whole nation was in tears that day.

 

[Nado_]

Truth be told, that was the best ODI team Pakistan had.

Better than 96?

 

[Nado_]

99 was my fav team too but 96 was a solid team also

 

[chacha kashmiri]

1999 final will be always be hard to digest especially considering what happened in 2003&2007
It did bring to an end akrams captaincy and it was the same team four years later just under a different captain

It was the only match in the whole trophy where the lower order didn’t bail out the side after the all too familiar collapse
You could just tell from some of the players faces that the tour had just caught up with them and there were no more great escapes to come

 

[Usman Chadda]

For me personally, WC96 was most painful. I've heard 87 was heart-breaking, but I didn't really get to see that.

WC96 with Anwar and Sohail in full flow, and then to collapse spectularly like that was a heartbreak for me as a fan. WC99 was sad, but we were never really in the match from the time Anwar lost his stumps to Fleming.

Mohali didn't hurt as much, no. Pakistan punched above their weight reaching the semis.

 

[Hasan123]

It wasn't even Pakistan's most painful defeat in 1999!

Pakistan had a really fine Test team that did brilliantly in the 1998-99 Asian Test Championship. But with Waqar fading, the selectors and the skipper Wasim Akram went for the wrong balance to the team on the tour of Australia.

Azhar Mahmood and Abdul Razzaq were emerging, as was Saqlain Mushtaq, while Shahid Afridi was falling out of favour in Tests and Mushtaq Ahmed was rusty after an injury lay-off.

And Aamer Sohail was prematurely discarded just before the tour of Australia at the end of the year.

Pakistan lost the First Test at Brisbane in spite of scoring enough runs because they didn't pick Waqar Younis and Mushtaq Ahmed, and the support bowling of Azhar Mahmood, Abdul Razzaq and Mushtaq Ahmed was not penetrative enough.

Then a dodgy umpiring decision cost them the Second Test.

But they would already have sealed the series 2-0 if they had gone into the Brisbane Test with:

1. Saeed Anwar
2. Aamer Sohail
3. Ijaz Ahmed
4. Inzamam
5. Yousuf Youhana
6. Azhar Mahmood
7. Shahid Afridi
8. Rashid Latif
9. Wasim Akram
10. Waqar Younis
11. Shoaib Akhtar

The three exclusions made all the difference.

No one cares that we lost to Australia that year other than you. We would rather have won the WC.

And there is no certainty that your line up would have won the game .

Let me guess Afridi would have scored a half century in your fantasy world ) ) .

 

[Junaids]

No one cares that we lost to Australia that year other than you. We would rather have won the WC.

And there is no certainty that your line up would have won the game .

Let me guess Afridi would have scored a half century in your fantasy world ) ) .

I was literally the first to congratulate India on their Test series victory in Australia.

Winning a World Cup is not hard: everyone apart from England, Bangladesh and New Zealand has done it.

But winning a Test series in Australia is like scaling Mount Everest for an Asian team.

 

[BaankeJi]

I was literally the first to congratulate India on their Test series victory in Australia.

Winning a World Cup is not hard: everyone apart from England, Bangladesh and New Zealand has done it.

But winning a Test series in Australia is like scaling Mount Everest for an Asian team.

When did South Africa win WC?

 

[Junaids]

When did South Africa win WC?

Oops, lol!

I guess in my head I still think of South Africa as the undefeated 1969-1977 World Champion Test Team, and I fail to notice South Africa’s modern ODI under-achievement!

 

[Hasan123]

I was literally the first to congratulate India on their Test series victory in Australia.

Winning a World Cup is not hard: everyone apart from England, Bangladesh and New Zealand has done it.

But winning a Test series in Australia is like scaling Mount Everest for an Asian team.

Winning a world cup isn't easy my friend. You don't follow LO cricket so how would you know?

 

[Pakhs]

Yes for damn sure it was. Pakistan were a better side at the time so it was a huge opportunity lost! Everything conspired against Pakistan on the day though, the rain didnt help and then batting first and losing Anwar the way we did....

Since then Pakistan have won T20 and CT in the next 20 years which came as a real surprise but in reality we have not been able to get that level of team together since.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It must be.

After all the hype and all the expectations, to choke as spectacularly as that and make a no match out of a World Cup final has to be heart breaking and embarrassing to say the least. Something that Indian fans also had to endure 4 years later.

The 1999 wc was over like 10 mins agtwr Lunch. Gotta feel for those who bought the tickets and travelled all the way to watch it.

But I guess losing to arch rivals hurt the most. 2003 sucked for Indians but I’m sure if given choice to save one of 2003 wc final loss to Aussies or 2016 CT final loss to Pakistan, 90% Indians would want to save the CT humiliation they received at the hands of Pakistanis. Most Indians felt suicidal that day and a sudden spike in ED drugs was also observed there fo a couple of months afterwards. That’s how bad things went. There was no happiness or mood for fun activities anymore.

 

[big_gamer007]

No one cares that we lost to Australia that year other than you. We would rather have won the WC.

And there is no certainty that your line up would have won the game .

Let me guess Afridi would have scored a half century in your fantasy world ) ) .

Lol a non Pakistani will decide as a matter of fact which loss hurt most for Pakistanis ..

 

[yuvi]

It must be.

After all the hype and all the expectations, to choke as spectacularly as that and make a no match out of a World Cup final has to be heart breaking and embarrassing to say the least. Something that Indian fans also had to endure 4 years later.

The 1999 wc was over like 10 mins agtwr Lunch. Gotta feel for those who bought the tickets and travelled all the way to watch it.

But I guess losing to arch rivals hurt the most. 2003 sucked for Indians but I’m sure if given choice to save one of 2003 wc final loss to Aussies or 2016 CT final loss to Pakistan, 90% Indians would want to save the CT humiliation they received at the hands of Pakistanis. Most Indians felt suicidal that day and a sudden spike in ED drugs was also observed there fo a couple of months afterwards. That’s how bad things went. There was no happiness or mood for fun activities anymore.

Nobody in India cares much about Champions Trophy loss. India no longer sees Pakistan as a rival in any field, just an irritation. 2007 WC early exit was the most dissapointing and there was huge reaction from fans, not much after champions trophy.

 

[Pakhs]

Nobody in India cares much about Champions Trophy loss. India no longer sees Pakistan as a rival in any field, just an irritation. 2007 WC early exit was the most dissapointing and there was huge reaction from fans, not much after champions trophy.

What a rubbish post. So India is happy to lose to Pakistan now a days? I was at the ground of CT final Inidan fans faces told a different story.

 

[yuvi]

We are not happy to loose to anyone as we expect our team to be no. 1. There is no extra obsession to beat Pakistan. Of course loosing to a lowly ranked team is a disappointment. We had a bad day in the final which can happen to any team.

 

[Pakhs]

We are not happy to loose to anyone as we expect our team to be no. 1. There is no extra obsession to beat Pakistan. Of course loosing to a lowly ranked team is a disappointment. We had a bad day in the final which can happen to any team.

There was huge obsession exposed that day! there are famous pictures of Indian fans storming off the ground that day and Sanjay commentary. Reality is different to your dreams my friend.

 

[yuvi]

There was huge obsession exposed that day! there are famous pictures of Indian fans storming off the ground that day and Sanjay commentary. Reality is different to your dreams my friend.

I don't know about the ground. But there were no events in India like 2007 WC. If it was considered a disaster no way Virat would have survived as captain.

 

[Pakhs]

I don't know about the ground. But there were no events in India like 2007 WC.

Did you forget to have your morning coffee that day? No problem re-vist the media pages on google. Your posts came across as desperate Indian trying to hide the reality just in case you couldnt tell.

 

[yuvi]

Did you forget to have your morning coffee that day? No problem re-vist the media pages on google. Your posts came across as desperate Indian trying to hide the reality just in case you couldnt tell.

You can google what happened in India after 2007 WC. Compared to that there was absolutely no reaction in India after CT final.

 

[Pakhs]

You can google what happened in India after 2007 WC. Compared to that there was absolutely no reaction in India after CT final.

Days of what happened in 2007 WC and burning of homes etc are thank fully in the past. But there was plenty of obsession and criticism and negative public reaction over that defeat. Even Virat who had a good tournament came in for criticism for just talking to Pakistan players after the game that shows the biggest obsession even more than burning homes.

No need to hide the reality. There was no reaction to Pakistan losing to India at all comparing to that CT defeat reaction in India but we still care we are not so self insecure to try and hide this so desperately.

 

[yuvi]

Days of what happened in 2007 WC and burning of homes etc are thank fully in the past. But there was plenty of obsession and criticism and negative public reaction over that defeat. Even Virat who had a good tournament came in for criticism for just talking to Pakistan players after the game that shows the biggest obsession even more than burning homes.

No need to hide the reality. There was no reaction to Pakistan losing to India at all comparing to that CT defeat reaction in India but we still care we are not so self insecure to try and hide this so desperately.

There was criticism like any other big defeat. But nothing extra like 2007 WC. People who don't follow cricket didn't even know something bad happened.

 

[aukhan]

No, for me its 2011 WC.

 

[Markhor]

We didn't deserve to win in 1999. When you rewatch the dismissals in the game against Bangladesh, you cannot help but be suspicious, especially of the run-outs. It's like they weren't even trying.

If they fixed the match, they are crooks. If they did not, they were inept. Either way, they didn't deserve to be world champions.

 

[Pakhs]

There was criticism like any other big defeat. But nothing extra like 2007 WC. People who don't follow cricket didn't even know something bad happened.

You famous celebrities had to come out and defend Indian team after CT loss. Maybe in the past people were committing suicides if India lost to Pakistan and your comparison is based on that thankfully people have got some sense back in India in that case. Good to know.

 

[yuvi]

You famous celebrities had to come out and defend Indian team after CT loss. Maybe in the past people were committing suicides if India lost to Pakistan and your comparison is based on that thankfully people have got some sense back in India in that case. Good to know.

I guess these things are highlighted lot more in Pakistan an media so it gets a lot more hyped in your country. But in India it has been business as usual.

 

[Pakhs]

I guess these things are highlighted lot more in Pakistan an media so it gets a lot more hyped in your country. But in India it has been business as usual.

Well those celebrities lived in India but they felt the need to defend Indian team as they came under fire from all corners in public. Or maybe according to you they were reading Pakistan media?

 

[yuvi]

Well those celebrities lived in India but they felt the need to defend Indian team as they came under fire from all corners in public. Or maybe according to you they were reading Pakistan media?

Who are celebrities to defend Indian team? They look for free publicity. Media asked questions they answered. What's the big deal in that? It's not like the PM made a statement.

 

[Hasan123]

Lol a non Pakistani will decide as a matter of fact which loss hurt most for Pakistanis ..

Exactly. We always get beaten black and blue in Australia so why will that hurt more than losing a final of a WC or semis of a WC where we could have won ?

 

[Pakhs]

Who are celebrities to defend Indian team? They look for free publicity. Media asked questions they answered. What's the big deal in that? It's not like the PM made a statement.

Free publicity? you said nobody knew about the games or cared? so how would they get free publicity. Anyway I dont have anymore time for this topic which you have totally lost. You should have said only you didnt care.

 

[yuvi]

Free publicity? you said nobody knew about the games or cared? so how would they get free publicity. Anyway I dont have anymore time for this topic which you have totally lost. You should have said only you didnt care.

I said who don't follow cricket didn't know about it. But there is a big population in India who follow cricket. If there was huge adverse reaction, everybody would have known including who don't follow cricket much. Which wasn't the case after CT unlike 2007 WC.

 

[Pakhs]

I said who don't follow cricket didn't know about it. But there is a big population in India who follow cricket. If there was huge adverse reaction, everybody would have known including who don't follow cricket much. Which wasn't the case after CT unlike 2007 WC.

Okay maybe those who dont follow cricket and Bollywood celebrities (Basically those who live under a stone). As every celebrity in India was biging the game up before the match LOL.

 

[yuvi]

Okay maybe those who dont follow cricket and Bollywood celebrities (Basically those who live under a stone). As every celebrity in India was biging the game up before the match LOL.

For you kind information Bollywood celebrities are not the only movie celebrities in India. There are other equally big movie industries in India. Hope you have seen Bahubali which had a budget bigger than most bollywood movies.

 

[Pakhs]

For you kind information Bollywood celebrities are not the only movie celebrities in India. There are other equally big movie industries in India. Hope you have seen Bahubali which had a budget bigger than most bollywood movies.

So? What is the relevance of this?

 

[yuvi]

So? What is the relevance of this?

The point is there are plenty of people in India who don't live under a stone and don't follow cricket and Bollywood celebrities.

 

[Mp812]

This. Beating India in India, and throwing out of WC, and Sachin retiring without WC. This would have hurt India for decades.it would have been too much for Indian to bare this. Pakistani players didn’t realize how big opportunity they have missed by dropping those catches. They could have survived rest of their lives just talking about this game and WC.

They probably realised the opportunity and that's why had butter fingers as result of nervousness

 

[Majid Khan]

Painful, never felt that disappointed after Pakistan lost a cricket match and in hindsight, it was the last match that I took that seriously. Had a six months detox from Pakistan cricket and evaluated where I was going wrong in life to lose sleep and be in almost depression state from watching Pakistan team lose a game of cricket , and questioned if they were worth taking that seriously given the players themselves clearly didn’t take their performances that seriously?

And then I realised what I enjoyed most about watching the Pakistan team was the entertainment value and the exquisite talent of Wasim, Waqar, Saeed Anwar, Inzamam, Shoaib, Saqlain, Afridi and do. Do results count? Of course but nothing can be taken for granted with these guys, so just watch and enjoy them play while they last.

And then the 90s lot retired and modern day greats like Hafeez appeared on the scene, well cricket has just never been the same since..

 

[Pakhs]

The point is there are plenty of people in India who don't live under a stone and don't follow cricket and Bollywood celebrities.

What is the relevance of this in relation to our conversation on cricket?

 

[yuvi]

What is the relevance of this in relation to our conversation on cricket?

You said those who don't follow cricket and Bollywood celebrities in India live under a stone. I am just clarfying your misconception.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Better than 96?

Actually, I was too young in 96 to understand anything. I only remember Prabhakar bowling spin to Jayasurya lol. I fell in love with cricket watching 99 world cup. Once India got knocked out, i was supporting Pakistan to win the cup. What a beast team it was
Bowling- Akram, Shoaib, Saqlain, Waqar (just imagine the depth in bowling reserves that he had to warm the bench)
Allrounders- Afridi, Azhar, Razzaq (All at peak)
Batting- Anwar,Inzi, Yousuf
I also loved their light green jersey. Best jersey Pak team ever had, in my humble opinion.

 

[Pakhs]

You said those who don't follow cricket and Bollywood celebrities in India live under a stone. I am just clarfying your misconception.

I didnt say follow I said who dont have any news about either cricket or Bollywood celebrities.

 

[yuvi]

I didnt say follow I said who dont have any news about either cricket or Bollywood celebrities.

If you ever come to India and visit smaller towns you can ask people on the street about champions trophy. I am pretty sure 50% won't be able to tell what Champions Trophy is.

 

[Pakhs]

If you ever come to India and visit smaller towns you can ask people on the street about champions trophy. I am pretty sure 50% won't be able to tell what Champions Trophy is.

okay well thats different, I know some Pakistanis here who stopped following cricket when they moved to UK and still ask if Saed Anwar is still playing.

 

[Stalin]

It must be.

After all the hype and all the expectations, to choke as spectacularly as that and make a no match out of a World Cup final has to be heart breaking and embarrassing to say the least. Something that Indian fans also had to endure 4 years later.

The 1999 wc was over like 10 mins agtwr Lunch. Gotta feel for those who bought the tickets and travelled all the way to watch it.

But I guess losing to arch rivals hurt the most. 2003 sucked for Indians but I’m sure if given choice to save one of 2003 wc final loss to Aussies or 2016 CT final loss to Pakistan, 90% Indians would want to save the CT humiliation they received at the hands of Pakistanis. Most Indians felt suicidal that day and a sudden spike in ED drugs was also observed there fo a couple of months afterwards. That’s how bad things went. There was no happiness or mood for fun activities anymore.

I completely disagree with the last para. 2003 world cup final was way way more painful than the 2017 CT final .

More than half of the Indian population may as well didn't know we lost a final to Pak. A world cup final is a difference preposition all together . The whole country gets involved in it. I still remember how it was like after that wc final as a 11 year old kid, who started watching Cricket from the famous NatWest final 2002.

You might argue that losing to an arch rival gives more pain but I'm now convinced that most indians have stopped considered Indo-Pak as a rivalry. They are just viewing as yet another game.

 

[yuvi]

okay well thats different, I know some Pakistanis here who stopped following cricket when they moved to UK and still ask if Saed Anwar is still playing.

In terms of grabbing people's attention champions trophy is no where near WC in India.

 

[Pakhs]

In terms of grabbing people's attention champions trophy is no where near WC in India.

Well people attention span lowers when the teams losses thats natural. But there was plenty of hype over the match probably owning to the fact India was the much fancied side.

 

[yuvi]

Well people attention span lowers when the teams losses thats natural. But there was plenty of hype over the match probably owning to the fact India was the much fancied side.

Well people won't forget easily if it was that massive. As I said the hype was in the media not much among the people in India.

 

[Destroyer88]

2003 ind vs pak was the painful of the lot. Growing up in a gulf country along with your indian, pakistani and bd friends. A loss to india was suicidal considering the amount of banter and flak you would recieve. And then seeing your stars bowing out for the last time that too after a loss agaisnt india was upsetting. 1999 ind vs pak was another match to forget but then we pulled it back to make it into the finals

 

[Pakhs]

Well people won't forget easily if it was that massive. As I said the hype was in the media not much among the people in India.

If India won you would be giving it huge importance. The fact is it was the first time Pakistan and India met in an ICC final and India lost so naturally they want to down play it so they can forget it. Its fine by me.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Truth be told, that was the best ODI team Pakistan had.

It was, it might not have been the most painful defeat, but it was the most disappointing. A final between two titan teams of that era, but only one turned up.

 

[big_gamer007]

It must be.

After all the hype and all the expectations, to choke as spectacularly as that and make a no match out of a World Cup final has to be heart breaking and embarrassing to say the least. Something that Indian fans also had to endure 4 years later.

The 1999 wc was over like 10 mins agtwr Lunch. Gotta feel for those who bought the tickets and travelled all the way to watch it.

But I guess losing to arch rivals hurt the most. 2003 sucked for Indians but I’m sure if given choice to save one of 2003 wc final loss to Aussies or 2016 CT final loss to Pakistan, 90% Indians would want to save the CT humiliation they received at the hands of Pakistanis. Most Indians felt suicidal that day and a sudden spike in ED drugs was also observed there fo a couple of months afterwards. That’s how bad things went. There was no happiness or mood for fun activities anymore.

WC final loss hurts more than anything.. World cup is a world cup, I can tell whicj country won the world cup in which year but I can't tell about CT without googling. Same is case with majority of Indians (cricket nerds excluded).

CT did hurt but end of the day it wasn't WC so people forget.. 2003 WC would have hurt even more if Sachin hadn't won in 2011. Since Sachin won in 2011 the hurt has diminished somewhat but at that time it was painful to see us lose a golden opportunity..

 

[yuvi]

If India won you would be giving it huge importance. The fact is it was the first time Pakistan and India met in an ICC final and India lost so naturally they want to down play it so they can forget it. Its fine by me.

Well if you choose to believe so. But there was no hype in India as CT is no where near as big as WC. Also the Indo Pak cricket rivalry is not as big as it used to be. I remember streets used to go empty during indo pak matches and crakers used to be burst after the victories in the 90's. After the recent victories against pakistan in Asia Cup I didn't hear a single cracker.

 

[Pakhs]

Well if you choose to believe so. But there was no hype in India as CT is no where near as big as WC. Also the Indo Pak cricket rivalry is not as big as it used to be. I remember streets used to go empty during indo pak matches and crakers used to be burst after the victories in the 90's. After the recent victories against pakistan in Asia Cup I didn't hear a single cracker.

Asia cup is nothing but just practice matches. But ICC tournaments are a big thing WC is bigger than CT but the two side are yet to meet in a final in WC so in absence of that CT was the biggest game these two have ever been involved in and all indications were India would win easily but that didnt happen so it went all quit. Again I repeat that's natural they didnt get what they wanted so moved on fair enough.

 

[yuvi]

Yeah we moved on. It wasn't a big event for us. We have won Champions trophy before. Even those victories were never celebrated that much.

 

[Pakhs]

Yeah we moved on. It wasn't a big event for us. We have won Champions trophy before. Even those victories were never celebrated that much.

Okay fair enough its always best to move on anyway. But it was a big event and the team that won naturally would like to remember it and other forget it. Normal thing