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Smbhayi said:
Don't know about his T20 stats but he's not a T20 player tbh.. if he can bowl regularly in T20s with good economy then he'll be a good choice, but his batting lacks fire power.. mostly he bats in lower order in T20s so he'll be a liability there.. but he can be great choice in tests may be in ODIs too..
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Is Jadeja a T20 player then? But he has been representing us in T20s (as and when he pleases) since T20 WC 2009!

Unlike Sundar, Jadeja is not even good at his stronger discipline which is bowling. And his batting has always been shambles in LoIs.
 
MP2011 said:
Is Jadeja a T20 player then? But he has been representing us in T20s (as and when he pleases) since T20 WC 2009!

Unlike Sundar, Jadeja is not even good at his stronger discipline which is bowling. And his batting has always been shambles in LoIs.
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He's not.. he gets in to loi team mainly due to his fielding.. but Jadeja had slogging skill, Sundar don't.. in this wc Pak & SA lost India mainly due to Imad & Maharaj wasn't able to slog..
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Another brilliant performance by Washi 👍🏻 i hope selectors consider him for our main team.
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His fitness is the only concern for me, gets injured pretty frequently. He need to strengthen his body up and play consistently. He can be a great asset in all three formats for us.

On a totally different note, it is nice it is to see some of our fellow Indian fans addressing Washi’s name correctly.

It was always one of my pet peeve that Mispronouncing or wrong addressing of someone’s name (in one of my earlier post from 3 years back herein this very thread explained the same when Washi was called as sundar which is his father’s name as Tamilnadu does not have the practice of surname or last name).
 
In T20s, Axar is the best bet undoubtedly.

In ODIs, it is debatable between Jadeja, Washi and Axar. I think Washi can actually bat a little higher and build the innings and let Pandya bat at 7.
 
Another match winning performance by Washington Sundar 👌🏻
Despite winning player of the series performance against Zimbabwe he wasn't selected in first two T20Is.
Definitely underrated but effective cricketer..
 
Smbhayi said:
Don't know about his T20 stats but he's not a T20 player tbh.. if he can bowl regularly in T20s with good economy then he'll be a good choice, but his batting lacks fire power.. mostly he bats in lower order in T20s so he'll be a liability there.. but he can be great choice in tests may be in ODIs too..
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His economy rate across nearly 50 T20Is is under 7. That's not just good, but terrific. Time and again, he has delivered under pressure.

His batting is UNTESTED in T20Is as he hardly gets to bat by virtue of his position. He can strike a long ball although he's a touch player by definition.

He has to be a constant inclusion in the team in all formats going on.
 
Sir Alex said:
His economy rate across nearly 50 T20Is is under 7. That's not just good, but terrific. Time and again, he has delivered under pressure.

His batting is UNTESTED in T20Is as he hardly gets to bat by virtue of his position. He can strike a long ball although he's a touch player by definition.

He has to be a constant inclusion in the team in all formats going on.
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His batting is underrated. I think he should be utilized in tests. But not sure if there is a slot for him in the Indian test XI. I think India have pretty much a set eleven in tests. No openings currently.
 
U$ofA said:
His batting is underrated. I think he should be utilized in tests. But not sure if there is a slot for him in the Indian test XI. I think India have pretty much a set eleven in tests. No openings currently.
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Tests are where openings are incoming. ..

Jadeja, Ash, Kohit and Kohli are all I'm their last lap.

Yes Washy has to improve his fitness and play more red ball cricket before brimg slotted in as replacement for say Ashwin. Although Kuldeep and Axar are incumbents

Atleast he could be the 3rd spinner in home tests.
 
Washington Sundar is in the form of his life!

Dismissed Avishka, Mendis & Asalanka - all set batters.

Three wicket haul 3/30 in 10 overs at economy rate of 3.00
 
India announced their squad for the second and third Tests against New Zealand with Washington Sundar's addition being the only change.

The Tamil Nadu all-rounder will link up with the squad in Pune, which will host the second Test from October 24.
 
FearlessRoar said:
India announced their squad for the second and third Tests against New Zealand with Washington Sundar's addition being the only change.

The Tamil Nadu all-rounder will link up with the squad in Pune, which will host the second Test from October 24.
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His induction into the squad paid off, as he secured impressive bowling figures of 7/59 against New Zealand in the 2nd Test
 
Bits and pieces to the core.
Not good enough to bat in the top 7.
Not good enough to be the lead spinner. Does not even spin the ball.

Kuldeep is like 4 times the bowler Sundar will ever be. Ridiculous that he is being benched. If they are so insistent on playing Sundar, one of Ashwin or Jadeja should make way.
 
Dolund Trump said:
Bits and pieces to the core.
Not good enough to bat in the top 7.
Not good enough to be the lead spinner. Does not even spin the ball.

Kuldeep is like 4 times the bowler Sundar will ever be. Ridiculous that he is being benched. If they are so insistent on playing Sundar, one of Ashwin or Jadeja should make way.
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He is good enough to bat in top 5 let alone top 7, he is more of a batting allrounder.

He has played only a handful of tests but impressed everyone with the bat wit two amazing Knocks in Gabba and Ahmedabad.

One of them was against Aussies at their fortress and other vs England on a Turner.
 
Not a Limited overs player yet, but most probably will become one.
A better test batsman than Rahul for sure
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
He is good enough to bat in top 5 let alone top 7, he is more of a batting allrounder.

He has played only a handful of tests but impressed everyone with the bat wit two amazing Knocks in Gabba and Ahmedabad.

One of them was against Aussies at their fortress and other vs England on a Turner.
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I am aware of his performances.
Just don't rate his batting abilities. Or bowling for that matter.

Shardul Thakur also did well in his first few matches. Then the balloon burst.

Not a fair comparison i know but over a decent sample size i don't see producing the required results.
 
Dolund Trump said:
I am aware of his performances.
Just don't rate his batting abilities. Or bowling for that matter.

Shardul Thakur also did well in his first few matches. Then the balloon burst.

Not a fair comparison i know but over a decent sample size i don't see producing the required results.
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There is a difference. Sundar was just okay with ball when he started. Thakur was very good when he started. Then Thakur regressed. But Sundar has gotten better with ball.
 
Solid innings by Wash, came in crisis and steadied the ship to support Reddy.

Well played to the young lad.
 
Sundar is a genuine all rounder. And he is already good enough to contribute with both bat and bowl.
 
I always have soft corner for him given that he has the disability of single-sided deafness. Deaf in one ear. He depends a lot on visual cues and good ear. He also has to place himself strategically on the field so that he can hear what the other fielders say.
 
England crumbled in the final session as Washington Sundar ran through the lower order, claiming a brilliant 4/22 in 12.1 overs
 
Great bowling from Sundar in this innings. Hope Jadeja can learn a thing or 2 from him
 
Shastri backs youngster to be “genuine all-rounder for many, many years”

The former India head coach, under whom Washington Sundar made his Test debut, has backed the 25-year-old for success in the longest format.

Former India head coach Ravi Shastri has thrown his weight behind Washington Sundar following the third Test at Lord’s, expressing strong belief in his ability to grow into a genuine all-rounder for India in the longest format.

Speaking on The ICC Review, Shastri recalled his first impression of Sundar and praised the youngster’s all-round skillset.

“I always loved Washington. When I saw him on day one, I said he's the man. And he can be a genuine all-rounder for many, many years for India,” Shastri said.

Sundar, who made his Test debut in the famous Gabba win in 2021 against Australia, has had limited opportunities in red-ball cricket since then. The all-rounder has played in 11 Tests since, scoring 545 runs with the bat, in addition to scalping 30 wickets.

Shastri believes that Sundar deserves more chances, especially considering his potential impact on turning tracks.

“He again is just 25 years of age. I think he should have played a lot more Test cricket,” Shastri said.

“Can be lethal in India on tracks where the ball is turning, as New Zealand found out when they played against India. (during NZ’s tour of India in 2024, where he was the joint top wicket taker, picking 16 wickets in four innings)

“He out-bowled some of the senior spinners. He bowled that well and he can bat.”

Not only does Shastri rate Sundar highly with the ball, but he also sees him as a talented batter. In his four outings in the England Test series so far, Sundar has scores of 42, 12*, 23 and 0, in addition to his five wickets.

Sundar’s Test journey began at the Gabba in 2021, a match where India were grappling with injuries. As head coach then, Shastri turned to the youngster and Sundar delivered with a classy 62 under pressure in his very first innings, playing a key role in India’s historic win.

He backed that up with unbeaten knocks of 85 and 96 in subsequent series against England at home, showcasing maturity and technique far beyond his years.

Despite batting at No.7 or lower in 10 of his 11 Test appearances, Sundar has maintained a remarkable batting average of 38.92, which includes four half-centuries.

“He's a naturally talented batsman,” Shastri said. “He's no number 8. He can go at 6 very soon in the batting lineup.”

Shastri backed Sundar to succeed in overseas conditions as well, pointing to his strength, control and ability to bowl long spells.

At Lord’s, Sundar impressed with his ability despite a narrow defeat to England.

He came to the fore in the second innings, where his superb 4/22 put India in the driver’s seat as he grabbed the key wickets of Joe Root, Ben Stokes and Jamie Smith.

“And once he gains confidence, I think he'll get better and better because even overseas he's got the drift, he's got the pace, he's got the strength in his fingers and the fitness,” Shastri said.

“You know, do both long spells and do the controlling job when needed.”

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Mobashir said:
Typical Indian player mentality. That's why you didn't score in the second innings.
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Better than some country loser player's mentality . Sudar has won a test in Australia which some Loser players hasn't won since 30+ years ik australia. :shh :kp
 
Devadwal said:
Better than some country loser player's mentality . Sudar has won a test in Australia which some Loser players hasn't won since 30+ years ik australia. :shh
jnaveen1980 said:
So Pakistan mentality is opposite of this? lol
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Thread is about Sundar and what he said a week ago.
Not about someone else. He acted like a looser in the interview and did the same thing Just before lunch with the bat.
 
Mobashir said:
Thread is about Sundar and what he said a week ago.
Not about someone else. He acted like a looser in the interview and did the same thing Just before lunch with the bat.
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So what do you expected him say we will lose like some countries loser say?

Or like Fraud brooks said During 2nd test

We will chase 500 - Brooks 🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣

www.insidesport.in

“We’ll chase anything”: Harry Brook sends fiery warning to India ahead of Day 4 - Inside Sport India

Cricket Harry Brook has so far mustered 257 runs at an incredible average of 85.67 across three innings so far.
www.insidesport.in www.insidesport.in

:kp
 
There is no dearth in talent for Indian batsman and spin all rounders and Washington Sundar has shown his ability in this series in true sense.

A beautiful 100 at Manchester and a game changing spell at Lords, he is likely to do better than Jadeja overseas but the question is whether he can come anywhere close to him in home tests. That will define his legacy but future looks really good for him and team India with him.
 
Washi redeemed himself wonderfully. He has 2 crucial knocks in second innings in sena.Latest knock is as good as Ashwin scg knock.Hope he develops his bowling too.

 
Devadwal said:
So what do you expected him say we will lose like some countries loser say?

Or like Fraud brooks said During 2nd test

We will chase 500 - Brooks 🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣

www.insidesport.in

“We’ll chase anything”: Harry Brook sends fiery warning to India ahead of Day 4 - Inside Sport India

Cricket Harry Brook has so far mustered 257 runs at an incredible average of 85.67 across three innings so far.
www.insidesport.in www.insidesport.in

:kp
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As per Mobashir, he should have said-

We are a mediocre cricket nation and we are not good enough. But we will try to win the game. :kp

:inti
 
Vikram1989 said:
Washi redeemed himself wonderfully. He has 2 crucial knocks in second innings in sena.Latest knock is as good as Ashwin scg knock.Hope he develops his bowling too.

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Develops? He is the best finger spinner in India. I don't remember any finger spinner having this much drift from India.
 
Wash has the potential to be a better version of Yuvraj, boy has large wing span, open those shoulders and arms, smack any ball out of the ground..

Needs to be taken care of, a good find for India, will have growing pains but if he can find his zone then has potential to be a great bat and a handy ball.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Develops? He is the best finger spinner in India. I don't remember any finger spinner having this much drift from India.
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As good as aswin and his ability to outfox or set up the batsmen,just like aswin plotted smiths dismissals in bgt 21 by getting obsessed with smith's hand and his moments . I want him to be a very good /great off spinner like aswin.
 
Vikram1989 said:
As good as aswin and his ability to outfox or set up the batsmen,just like aswin plotted smiths dismissals in bgt 21 by getting obsessed with smith's hand and his moments . I want him to be a very good /great off spinner like aswin.
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Ashwin is like a scientist. He kept experimenting things. I doubt we will ever get an Ashwin. That thought process itself is next level. Having said that Sundar has a lot of time to add more skills to his bowling.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Ashwin is like a scientist. He kept experimenting things. I doubt we will ever get an Ashwin. That thought process itself is next level. Having said that Sundar has a lot of time to add more skills to his bowling.
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The mad scientist who kept on pushing the boundaries for good
 
He will have better batting and bowling stats than Ashwin if he plays the same number of Tests.

This means that either India is incredibly talented when it comes to producing so-called ATG spin all-rounders, or that Ashwin was massively overrated.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Wash has the potential to be a better version of Yuvraj, boy has large wing span, open those shoulders and arms, smack any ball out of the ground..

Needs to be taken care of, a good find for India, will have growing pains but if he can find his zone then has potential to be a great bat and a handy ball.
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He has a fiery father much like Yuvraj too

 
Vikram1989 said:
What a rant even on franchises.

It looks like only sarafraz father ,an established coach , is much more mellow.His student shabaz nadeem almost spat on him after getting selected in indian team but the guy just maintained dignity.
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He's obviously passionate about his son but now is the time to keep quiet and soak in the praise, rather than go on the attack.

I didn't like his comments about Jaiswal either, thats his son's team mate, the father isn't really helping Washington with these rants.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He's obviously passionate about his son but now is the time to keep quiet and soak in the praise, rather than go on the attack.

I didn't like his comments about Jaiswal either, thats his son's team mate, the father isn't really helping Washington with these rants.
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Washi did not do much when he was with Hyderabad franchise in ipl. He was injured for 1 year.His father skipped all that stuff.
 
Mamoon said:
He will have better batting and bowling stats than Ashwin if he plays the same number of Tests.

This means that either India is incredibly talented when it comes to producing so-called ATG spin all-rounders, or that Ashwin was massively overrated.
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Better bowling overseas but not at home I would say

But definitely million times better batting.

Guy is clutch as he’ll.

Love washy.
 
Mamoon said:
He will have better batting and bowling stats than Ashwin if he plays the same number of Tests.

This means that either India is incredibly talented when it comes to producing so-called ATG spin all-rounders, or that Ashwin was massively overrated.
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He won’t have better bowling stats than Jadeja, let alone Ashwin. Don’t base your conclusions on 1-2 games.

Sundar is gonna be next Shakib. Jadeja is a better bowler and Ashwin far better bowler.
 
Ab Fan said:
He won’t have better bowling stats than Jadeja, let alone Ashwin. Don’t base your conclusions on 1-2 games.

Sundar is gonna be next Shakib. Jadeja is a better bowler and Ashwin far better bowler.
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Be fair bro.washi can never be shakib.he can't hit umpires, friends,opposition players alike.he can't show vulgar signs .he can never be a cry baby.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Be fair bro.washi can never be shakib.he can't hit umpires, friends,opposition players alike.he can't show vulgar signs .he can never be a cry baby.
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Yeah only in terms of cricketing utility. Not in any of those.
 
Mamoon said:
He will have better batting and bowling stats than Ashwin if he plays the same number of Tests.

This means that either India is incredibly talented when it comes to producing so-called ATG spin all-rounders, or that Ashwin was massively overrated.
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Ashwin had high IQ bowler which allowed him to achieve more success as a spinner than those with same ability.

Washy is the better batting talent than Ash and Jadeja both. I can see him hitting more test centuries if he’s given the long rope.

That being said if he doesn’t win matches for us with the ball in India on a consistent basis he will be discarded.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Ashwin had high IQ bowler which allowed him to achieve more success as a spinner than those with same ability.

Washy is the better batting talent than Ash and Jadeja both. I can see him hitting more test centuries if he’s given the long rope.

That being said if he doesn’t win matches for us with the ball in India on a consistent basis he will be discarded.
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Sundar is a top notch talent
Elite talent

His batting has seriously. High ceiling.

He can be a proper 45 plus averaging batsman with a sub 30 bowling average.

Don’t think he can be as good as ash and jaddu with the ball in Asia but as a batsmen sky is the limit.

We will have kotian kuldeep and suthar etc to be the next jaddu and ash
 
kron said:
Sundar is a top notch talent
Elite talent

His batting has seriously. High ceiling.

He can be a proper 45 plus averaging batsman with a sub 30 bowling average.

Don’t think he can be as good as ash and jaddu with the ball in Asia but as a batsmen sky is the limit.

We will have kotian kuldeep and suthar etc to be the next jaddu and ash
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He's aged 25+ and averages 34 in FC cricket after39 matches with just 3 centuries.
Averages 21 in List A cricket with the bat with no centuries.

Doesn't seem to be having the batting pedigree to keep doing it on a consistent basis.
I respect what our batters have done in this series so far but these are some of the flattest pitches they will be playing on SENA tours and the English bowling also hasn't been great.
 
kron said:
Sundar is a top notch talent
Elite talent

His batting has seriously. High ceiling.

He can be a proper 45 plus averaging batsman with a sub 30 bowling average.

Don’t think he can be as good as ash and jaddu with the ball in Asia but as a batsmen sky is the limit.

We will have kotian kuldeep and suthar etc to be the next jaddu and ash
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He can be better than Jaddu as we saw in NZ series. He imparts more revs also his trajectory is very different from other spinners. He may not be as good as Ashwin. Doubt anyone can as he had magical deliveries. Watch his first wicket.

 
Bhaijaan said:
He's aged 25+ and averages 34 in FC cricket after39 matches with just 3 centuries.
Averages 21 in List A cricket with the bat with no centuries.

Doesn't seem to be having the batting pedigree to keep doing it on a consistent basis.
I respect what our batters have done in this series so far but these are some of the flattest pitches they will be playing on SENA tours and the English bowling also hasn't been great.
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He bats at 7 or 8 for his state. So you won't see flattering stats there. Even as a bowler he has grown up only reecntly.
 
Bhaijaan said:
He's aged 25+ and averages 34 in FC cricket after39 matches with just 3 centuries.
Averages 21 in List A cricket with the bat with no centuries.

Doesn't seem to be having the batting pedigree to keep doing it on a consistent basis.
I respect what our batters have done in this series so far but these are some of the flattest pitches they will be playing on SENA tours and the English bowling also hasn't been great.
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He is a special talent though.

He is being played out of position time and time again. Put him in top 4/5 and you will see
 
Takes it too easy.. needs to take more responsibility.. him and Jaiswal both.
Gill has done really well this tour, these two need to follow rm
 
Pathetic 100.

His 100 didn't even save the match, it was already a draw.

He tried to redeem himself of his arrogant comment (India will win definitely) with a century in a losing cause.

Failed.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Pathetic 100.

His 100 didn't even save the match, it was already a draw.

He tried to redeem himself of his arrogant comment (India will win definitely) with a century in a losing cause.

Failed.
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Pak fans shouldn't be talking about 100s in England. They scored 3 centuries in one day which is only 3 less than what Pakistan scored in ENgland in the last 10 years.
 
kron said:
He is a special talent though.

He is being played out of position time and time again. Put him in top 4/5 and you will see
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I agree when he’s set he looks like a proper batter. But I just pointed out the fact that his FC, List A batting record shows a clear lack of batting pedigree. It’s not just about how you look while batting but about your hunger and grit to hang in there and play long innings time and again.

Shan Masood looks a million bucks just standing there but he’s failed to make a mark. Virat looks better than all of the Big 4 when batting but his test career fell apart.
 
Bhaijaan said:
I agree when he’s set he looks like a proper batter. But I just pointed out the fact that his FC, List A batting record shows a clear lack of batting pedigree. It’s not just about how you look while batting but about your hunger and grit to hang in there and play long innings time and again.

Shan Masood looks a million bucks just standing there but he’s failed to make a mark. Virat looks better than all of the Big 4 when batting but his test career fell apart.
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From what i heard his name would always top the batting charts in club cricket. He was playing as an opener. Then he took up off spin. He was batsman first much like Ashwin then took up bowling.
 
Bhaijaan said:
I agree when he’s set he looks like a proper batter. But I just pointed out the fact that his FC, List A batting record shows a clear lack of batting pedigree. It’s not just about how you look while batting but about your hunger and grit to hang in there and play long innings time and again.

Shan Masood looks a million bucks just standing there but he’s failed to make a mark. Virat looks better than all of the Big 4 when batting but his test career fell apart.
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Fc stats don’t mean squat
Lot of stats are padded depending on which state they play for and the pitches plus conditions in those places.

You have to look at purely skill to find out really talent

Like 135-145 fast bowler there are quite a few of them but they don’t have great stats as they bowl on pitches not conducive to fast bowling.
 
His stats are even better than Shubman Gill and many other batsmen around the world. Surely that cant be the case as he is a spin all-rounder. Nonetheless, Washington and Axar is making the difference to Indian Cricket at the moment.
 
Small sample size but no cricketer in human history has finished their career with a 40+ batting average and a below 30 bowling average.
 
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