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A senior Indian government minister has called for discussions between religious leaders of claims that Muslim boys are seducing and eloping with Hindu girls as part of a "love jihad" to convert them to Islam.

Uma Bharti, a veteran leader of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party, said talks were necessary to protect young men and women in both communities.

"Elders of the two communities must sit together and find a solution to the issue," said Ms Bharti, who is also India's water resources minister.

"There is a need to ensure that the future of boys and girls of either community is not jeopardised in any way."

Her comments were made amid growing protests by the BJP and other Hindu nationalist parties in Uttar Pradesh, where communal riots broke out in September last year. The riots pitched Muslim and Hindu teenagers against each other, over a claims that a female relative had been sexually harassed. More than 60 people were killed in the violence and 50,000 fled their homes and cannot return.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ng-Hindu-girls-to-force-their-conversion.html


As i'm not from India i can't really discuss this but is there any truth in it
Is there mass propogation by muslims in India to convert Hindu girls in order to increase demographics

Are muslim boys given terrorist manuals in how to seduce Indian girls
 
A senior Indian government minister has called for discussions between religious leaders of claims that Muslim boys are seducing and eloping with Hindu girls as part of a "love jihad" to convert them to Islam.

Uma Bharti, a veteran leader of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party, said talks were necessary to protect young men and women in both communities.

"Elders of the two communities must sit together and find a solution to the issue," said Ms Bharti, who is also India's water resources minister.

"There is a need to ensure that the future of boys and girls of either community is not jeopardised in any way."

Her comments were made amid growing protests by the BJP and other Hindu nationalist parties in Uttar Pradesh, where communal riots broke out in September last year. The riots pitched Muslim and Hindu teenagers against each other, over a claims that a female relative had been sexually harassed. More than 60 people were killed in the violence and 50,000 fled their homes and cannot return.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ng-Hindu-girls-to-force-their-conversion.html


As i'm not from India i can't really discuss this but is there any truth in it
Is there mass propogation by muslims in India to convert Hindu girls in order to increase demographics

Are muslim boys given terrorist manuals in how to seduce Indian girls

Stupid Political agendas at play here,(VHP, BJP catering to insecure Hindu mentality, while Muslim parties trying to appease their vote bank)
Its a mix diverse society,
Girls-boys from different religions are getting married (hell!! High chances of me marrying a muslim girl :P)
Does that make me a counter love-jihadi.... NOO

These myopic, idiots are bane in our politics with which we have to live.
The only thing that gives me hope is that, all these propaganda are desperation attempts by the hard liners,
they will fade away ... if not in my generation, then definitely for my kids !! :D
 
Stupid Political agendas at play here,(VHP, BJP catering to insecure Hindu mentality, while Muslim parties trying to appease their vote bank)
Its a mix diverse society,
Girls-boys from different religions are getting married (hell!! High chances of me marrying a muslim girl :P)
Does that make me a counter love-jihadi.... NOO

These myopic, idiots are bane in our politics with which we have to live.
The only thing that gives me hope is that, all these propaganda are desperation attempts by the hard liners,
they will fade away ... if not in my generation, then definitely for my kids !! :D


From the article there doesn't seem to be a counter current claim about muslim women marrying non muslim men

As i can't speak about India, i'l speak about the UK where there is similar scaremongering which ignores the fact that most the muslim women in media or in the public eye are married to non muslim men


Or is this part of the fight against the 'trojan horse' to make sure these defenceless and persecuted muslim women are not completely abused by their own community and are given the freedom to live by non muslim communities
 
From the article there doesn't seem to be a counter current claim about muslim women marrying non muslim men

As i can't speak about India, i'l speak about the UK where there is similar scaremongering which ignores the fact that most the muslim women in media or in the public eye are married to non muslim men


Or is this part of the fight against the 'trojan horse' to make sure these defenceless and persecuted muslim women are not completely abused by their own community and are given the freedom to live by non muslim communities

There might be little truth to both sides in the poorer sections (where people dont mind changing religions for bread and butter and I dont envy them a bit. Its their own choice). Urban India, I feel is kinda immune to all this rhetoric.

Villages are still living in the past, (forget inter religious, the bloody caste system is too strictly implemented)

About the appeasement of Muslims by Indian political parties, I think Muslim women have lesser rights than a muslim women in Pakistan, just because some laws give Muslim law board discretion over Muslim lives (which is very abusive towards women)
If you are unaware, plz read about the Shah Bano case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohd._Ahmed_Khan_v._Shah_Bano_Begum

The Funniest case highlighting this was Shoaib- Sania marriage, Indian laws allow Muslims to have multiple wives without much restriction, but it was Shoaib allegedly violated Pakistan's marriage laws of not divorcing his alleged previous wife.
Indian laws allow it for Muslim men only, and all the noise was in India :P
 
As i can't speak about India, i'l speak about the UK where there is similar scaremongering which ....

Why do you think such a scaremongering exists, be it in India, the UK or elsewhere
 
Hindu fundo's are using this "love jihad" thing as a means to attack their already vulnerable Muslim community. A few cases of conversations do to not paint an accurate overall picture of events. Those Muslim men doing this to Hindu girls deserve strict punishment, what about that nutcase Hindu BJP guy who a few days back said for every one Hindu gal converted to Islam a hundred Muslim girls will be made to accept Hinduism!! Then currently there is this big debate in India where the fundo BJP type are insisting that everyone in India are Hindu's!!!!

In India cross religious marriages are nothing new, just look at their Bollywood stars. In the old days it was usually Muslim ladies like a Nargis or Waheeda Rehman with Hindu men where as today mostly is the exact opposite. This is most likely what they really have a problem with.
 
yesterday, i met a friend of mine who is a police officer, posted in UP. i was surprised by his answer when i brought up this topic. he said it exists more than the media reports. it is not a conspiracy that has a central planning, but muslim guys eloping and then converting a hindu girl is common in UP.

i have a muslim friend with whom i drink (in a group). she and her sister both have hindu boy friends(in live in). so i asked one of her friends why coudn't she find a nice muslim guy in lucknow. she said that a muslim guy won't give her the freedom to drink and party and dress the way she wants. i directly asked her..she said yaar i like hindu guys but i have to marry kajrare naino wale ultimately.
 
yesterday, i met a friend of mine who is a police officer, posted in UP. i was surprised by his answer when i brought up this topic. he said it exists more than the media reports. it is not a conspiracy that has a central planning, but muslim guys eloping and then converting a hindu girl is common in UP.

i have a muslim friend with whom i drink (in a group). she and her sister both have hindu boy friends(in live in). so i asked one of her friends why coudn't she find a nice muslim guy in lucknow. she said that a muslim guy won't give her the freedom to drink and party and dress the way she wants. i directly asked her..she said yaar i like hindu guys but i have to marry kajrare naino wale ultimately.

Wth is this bolded part??? :))
 
So if 2 grown adults decide to be with each other then why does secular india have a problem with it ? .

But this is not the case in Love Jihad.
The main problem is there are many cases in UP in which Muslim guy fools girl by pretending to be Hindu with Hindu names, putting sacred holy thread on wrist, etc and then marry them.
After marriage they torture them and forcefully convert them to Muslim religion.
This is unacceptable but Congress government didn't gave much preferences to such cases because of Sickularism :wg
 
should be fine as long as girls are not raped and getting converted forcefully either way.
 
But this is not the case in Love Jihad.
The main problem is there are many cases in UP in which Muslim guy fools girl by pretending to be Hindu with Hindu names, putting sacred holy thread on wrist, etc and then marry them.
After marriage they torture them and forcefully convert them to Muslim religion.
This is unacceptable but Congress government didn't gave much preferences to such cases because of Sickularism :wg

Wow that is really terrible behaviour. No wonder the rest of Indians are fed up with their Muslim population.
 
Yogi Adityanath: 'Love jihad' will be a bypoll issue in UP

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Yogi has been a known face to carry forward Sangh pariwar's Hindutva agenda espe cially in the eastern UP and has been in the thick of controversy on such issue on several occasions in the past. Earlier, he has been leading campaigns against illegal cow slaughter, illegal infiltration by Bangladesh immigrants and forced conversion.

The saffron party's two-day convention in Vrindavan remained mired in controversy over the issue of 'love-jihad' — allegation that Muslim youths lure Hindu girls into relationship for conversion. Although the BJP avoided bringing the issue in the political resolution, it dominated the proceeding after reports that the issue had come up for discussion during office-bearers' meeting a day before the working com mittee meet that began on August 24.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...a-bypoll-issue-in-UP/articleshow/41164779.cms

Yogi is not going to let these scoundrels get away with it, and to be fair action needs to be taken with Al Qaida poised to step up their terrorist love operations.
 
Fired up and full of vitriol, Hindu activist Rajeshwar Singh is on a mission to end centuries of religious diversity in India, one conversion at a time. His voice echoing off the walls of a Protestant church across a narrow street, Mr Singh railed against foreign faiths at an event last week to convert a Christian family to Hinduism in the rural town of Hasayan, 87 miles south of Delhi.

“We will cleanse our Hindu society. We will not let the conspiracy of church or mosque succeed in Bharat [India],” he said, standing in the family’s front yard by a ritual fire lit to purify the poor, lower-caste converts.


Emboldened by Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s rise to power in May, leaders of his Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have joined right-wing activists such as Mr Singh to openly declare India a nation of Hindus.

About a fifth of India’s 1.27 billion people identify themselves as belonging to faiths other than Hinduism. Mr Singh is affiliated to the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), a vast nationalist volunteer group that aims to unify Hindus “to carry the nation to the pinnacle of glory”.




Previous police investigations have found no evidence of an organised “Love Jihad”. But the concept has gained credence across central India in recent weeks, leading to sometimes violent protests.

While avoiding the term “Love Jihad”, Mr Modi’s BJP last week adopted the subject of forced conversions as a campaign issue ahead of the 13 September by-elections in Uttar Pradesh, a state prone to sectarian strife. Simultaneously, activists such as Mr Singh have stepped up what they see as necessary defensive measures – converting others “back” to Hinduism. Hinduism does not usually seek converts, but it does not have strict rules against the practice.

“The Hindu wave has just begun. In 10 years we will convert all Christians and Muslims
,” shaven-headed Mr Singh said with a grin, to murmurs of approval from other organisers of the ritual. His colleagues included a former Adventist preacher now dedicated to Hindu “homecoming” conversions and a businessman from the city of Agra, home to the Muslim-built monument, the Taj Mahal.

Mr Singh’s 10-year deadline is unrealistic in a country of 175 million Muslims, who account for around 15 per cent of Indians and constitute the third-largest Muslim population in the world.''


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ugh-seduction-marriage-and-money-9715610.html




Not sure what the problem is here
If BJP want to convert everyone 'back' to Hinduism, what's the problem
 
There is no chance of India ever being a purely Hindu state no matter how much those baldy fundo's spit venom against Ibrahamic faiths. By all means convert those Muslim's and Christians who want to become Hindu's whilst understanding that traffic goes the opposite way as well. Anyway, some Hindu's have told me that one is free to depart Hinduism but need permission of the baldy brigade to enter it. From what I know one can not convert to Brahminism that is the highest order, you are born in to it.

"One conversion at a time" will take him about a thousand years to convert 170 million Muslims:akhtar During that time the imam's will also be doing the same thing! People like Rajeshwar Singh have no common sense. I can tell him that many Hindu's working in the Gulf convert to Islam, he can't do nothing about that!
 
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Kareena Kapoor’s morphed picture used as warning against ‘Love Jihad’, VHP says actress can sue them if she wants

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The cover photo of the latest issue of Himalaya Dhwani, a magazine brought out by the women’s wing of Vishwa Hindu Parishad called Durga Vahini, has gone viral for it features the morphed face of actress Kareena Kapoor Khan half covered with a ‘burqa’. A strap underneath reads, ‘dharmantaran se rashtraantaran’ meaning ‘conversion of nationality through religious conversion’. Durga Vahini has apparently launched a campaign to convert Hindu women who married Muslim men, claiming the ghar wapsi campaign must address ‘love jihad’.

According to a report published in the Hindustan Times, Rajini Thukral, the coordinator of the magazine, has reportedly said, “She (Kareena) is a celebrity. The youth try to emulate celebrities. They think if she can do so, why not us?”

Commenting further on the possibility of Kareena Kapoor suing the publication over the morphed picture, Prakash Sharma of VHP said, “If actress Kareena Kapoor has a problem with this, the doors of court are always open for her,” as reported by agencies.

Kareena Kapoor and Saif Ali Khan tied the knot in 2012 after five years of courtship. Saif had, recently, in an exclusive column on Love Jihad for Indian Express, wrote what issues the couple had to face, owing to their religious differences, when they decided to get married.

“When Kareena and I married, there were similar death threats, with people on the net saying ridiculous things about ‘love jihad.’ We follow whatever religion or spiritual practice we believe in. We talk about them and respect each other’s views. I hope our children will do the same,” Saif had quoted. - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/en...n-sue-them-if-she-wants/#sthash.Ljt7eBLx.dpuf
 
Saif Ali Khan has angrily disapproved of the whole plot saying, “It’s ridiculous and not surprising… but these uneducated and bigoted ideas are the worst of India and condemning them is important.”
 
It's not a black and white issue as you think. It's neither 100% false nor as widespread as the right wing claims,but foreign funded conversion tactics are an Issue in kerala. Many of the people who left kerala to go join ISIS were recent converts.

So that level of indoctrination is surely happening in the state.

I would ask your NSA Ajit doval about that stuff my friend..
 
I would ask your NSA Ajit doval about that stuff my friend..

There is definitely an issue here which NIA and Kerala Police are investigating. But the way this has been publicised by the BJP to tarnish our people and our state is really really pathetic. They are hell bent on dividing and polarising the society.
 
This is **. If you dig deep, maybe 1 in 10 million cases would be of love jihad. Other cases are just guys who happen to be muslims falling in love with girls who happen to be hindu and then the marriage/love not working out well like thousands of other relationships.

This should be treated as just another crime rather than flaring emotions up.

PS- there is obviously nothing like love jihad sanctioned by Islam.
 
This is **. If you dig deep, maybe 1 in 10 million cases would be of love jihad. Other cases are just guys who happen to be muslims falling in love with girls who happen to be hindu and then the marriage/love not working out well like thousands of other relationships.

It's pretty much like 1 in 10 million cases being of sectarian violence between Hindus and Muslims, and yet you equated it to the beginnings of a civil war in the other thread.
 
It's pretty much like 1 in 10 million cases being of sectarian violence between Hindus and Muslims, and yet you equated it to the beginnings of a civil war in the other thread.

No. This is different than that. Communal hatred/differences/mistrust is a mindset which can be a perpetual thing in ones mind. This has roots in different ideologies and is reinforced and strengthened by any act,speech,blame and even rumour against the other community. It is a more long term problem.

While on the other hand, the so called Love jihad is not a mindset, it is at the most a temporary thing which can be chucked away if the guy is given a danda. It is not embedded in one's mind which would make him a serial offender. Moreover such people can be identified easily because cases are generally isolated with only 1 guy or his family as culprits.
 
This is **. If you dig deep, maybe 1 in 10 million cases would be of love jihad. Other cases are just guys who happen to be muslims falling in love with girls who happen to be hindu and then the marriage/love not working out well like thousands of other relationships.

This should be treated as just another crime rather than flaring emotions up.

PS- there is obviously nothing like love jihad sanctioned by Islam.

The whole article reads like sensationalist nonsense, but I am always interested to see how a society can develop by polarising. To someone like me who has been brought up in a mixed environment where multiculturalism has been successful in taking the UK forward in the last 50 years, I am interested to see how ethnic division works going forward. Brexit came about through similar scaremongering and I don't see a good outcome for that in a hurry.
 
This is **. If you dig deep, maybe 1 in 10 million cases would be of love jihad. Other cases are just guys who happen to be muslims falling in love with girls who happen to be hindu and then the marriage/love not working out well like thousands of other relationships.

This should be treated as just another crime rather than flaring emotions up.

PS- there is obviously nothing like love jihad sanctioned by Islam.

There may or may not be an organized racket behind it. But at least in the data for UP, the majority of cases where girls eloped (underage or not), the girl was a hindu and the guy a muslim. There is a statistical imbalance..which may have sociological reasons, about muslim women less likely to mingle with guys, or being more protected by their community, or more likely to be married off early..whatever reasons, love jihad or no love jihad, this imbalance exists, and harms the social equilibrium, especially in a nation where ideology changes with demographic shift.
 
I see Indian marrying Indian.

For every Zaheer Khan or Mohammed Kaif or SRK or Amir ..............etc, there are Soha Ali Khan, Zareena Wahab, Sanjay Dutt's Wife, Agarkar's Wife,, Hina Khan, many more Muslim women... all marrying Hindus.

Is the outcry only there when Muslim Indian marries Hindu Indian and not the other way around?
 
I see Indian marrying Indian.

For every Zaheer Khan or Mohammed Kaif or SRK or Amir ..............etc, there are Soha Ali Khan, Zareena Wahab, Sanjay Dutt's Wife, Agarkar's Wife,, Hina Khan, many more Muslim women... all marrying Hindus.

Is the outcry only there when Muslim Indian marries Hindu Indian and not the other way around?

Among bollywood celebs there is no statistical anomaly, but you can't extend it to the general population. Fine indian marrying indian, but don't forget history. Demography change is a real threat and within 20 years you will see its effect, but it will be too late. Then think what a poster had told you 20 years ago.
 
Madhya Pradesh BJP MLA says child marriage will put an end to elopement, ‘love jihad’

Holding late marriages responsible for elopement and “love jihad”, a BJP legislator from Madhya Pradesh on Saturday said that he supports early marriages because child marriages, including those involving grooms and brides who never saw each other before, used to last “forever”, unlike divorces that are commonplace today. “Earlier girls and boys used to marry before they turned 18 and 21. Marriages were fixed when they used to be of tender age, and did not go astray…or (they did not) think of anyone else. Now they meet at coaching classes and some fall prey to vices like ‘love jihad’,’’ BJP MLA from Agar, Gopal Parmar, told The Sunday Express while defending the comments he made at a government function in Agar town.

Linking late marriages to “love jihad” — a term used by Hindutva forces for marriages between Hindu women and Muslim men — the BJP leader said girls are “emotional” and that they “get carried away” when someone offers to help them by changing name and identity. “I married as a child, and I ensured that marriages of my children — two daughters and a son — were fixed before they attained the legal age of marriage,” Parmar, 53, said. “They are all happy.”

Stating that no one had heard of divorces when child marriages were practised, Parmar said, “The groom and bride used to be unfamiliar with each other, but marriages would work because parents used to apply their mind and fix marriages between compatible children.” Drawing a parallel between tethered cattle and children, he said, “Once the marriage is fixed, they know where to return.’’ Parmar said he would not make a recommendation in writing to the government to lower the legal age of marriage but expects parents to fix marriage of their children much before so that they do not go astray.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...to-elopement-love-jihad-says-bjp-mla-5165057/
 
I know a doctor who is a muslim ( my wife's friend) and she has a hindu boyfriend. When they got serious she asked him to convert, but the guy has asked 10 years time to convert ( probably thinks his old parents will be no more after that), and funny thing is this girl is ready to wait. I told her that it is a post dated cheque and she better find a nice muslim guy in a year and settle down.
 
I know a doctor who is a muslim ( my wife's friend) and she has a hindu boyfriend. When they got serious she asked him to convert, but the guy has asked 10 years time to convert ( probably thinks his old parents will be no more after that), and funny thing is this girl is ready to wait. I told her that it is a post dated cheque and she better find a nice muslim guy in a year and settle down.

Sounds like he is countering her love jihad with some of his Hindu kaala jaadu.
 
Sounds like he is countering her love jihad with some of his Hindu kaala jaadu.

After 10 years he will still get someone, but she wont get anyone decent. because a man and a horse never get old. I have tried to counsel her, but just a month ago they were together on a vacation. Both have parents from the army, so that may be a common factor. She says we are BRATs ( born, raised and transferred)
 
Madhya Pradesh BJP MLA says child marriage will put an end to elopement, ‘love jihad’

Holding late marriages responsible for elopement and “love jihad”, a BJP legislator from Madhya Pradesh on Saturday said that he supports early marriages because child marriages, including those involving grooms and brides who never saw each other before, used to last “forever”, unlike divorces that are commonplace today. “Earlier girls and boys used to marry before they turned 18 and 21. Marriages were fixed when they used to be of tender age, and did not go astray…or (they did not) think of anyone else. Now they meet at coaching classes and some fall prey to vices like ‘love jihad’,’’ BJP MLA from Agar, Gopal Parmar, told The Sunday Express while defending the comments he made at a government function in Agar town.

Linking late marriages to “love jihad” — a term used by Hindutva forces for marriages between Hindu women and Muslim men — the BJP leader said girls are “emotional” and that they “get carried away” when someone offers to help them by changing name and identity. “I married as a child, and I ensured that marriages of my children — two daughters and a son — were fixed before they attained the legal age of marriage,” Parmar, 53, said. “They are all happy.”

Stating that no one had heard of divorces when child marriages were practised, Parmar said, “The groom and bride used to be unfamiliar with each other, but marriages would work because parents used to apply their mind and fix marriages between compatible children.” Drawing a parallel between tethered cattle and children, he said, “Once the marriage is fixed, they know where to return.’’ Parmar said he would not make a recommendation in writing to the government to lower the legal age of marriage but expects parents to fix marriage of their children much before so that they do not go astray.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...to-elopement-love-jihad-says-bjp-mla-5165057/


Nice to see BJP tackling the real enemy
 
I know a doctor who is a muslim ( my wife's friend) and she has a hindu boyfriend. When they got serious she asked him to convert, but the guy has asked 10 years time to convert ( probably thinks his old parents will be no more after that), and funny thing is this girl is ready to wait. I told her that it is a post dated cheque and she better find a nice muslim guy in a year and settle down.

This is ridiculous. If she truly loves him, religion shouldn't even matter! Honestly if there was no such thing as religion, we'd doing a whole lot better!
 
This is ridiculous. If she truly loves him, religion shouldn't even matter! Honestly if there was no such thing as religion, we'd doing a whole lot better!

If you scroll above you will see I mentioned her story 4 years back, and she is going steady with the same guy. They had a breakup a few months ago and she was staying in my apartment during that time. There was rona dhona from both and they are back together. Guy is casual about his religion, and she prays whenever it is possible. When you think your religion is the truth, you would naturally want your partner to come to the right path too..nothing wrong with wanting your spouse to enter your religion. Personally I don't see any future in this relationship..has been going since more than 4 years now. I am even looking for a decent muslim guy for her.
 
I feel pity on the person who marries her.

Why? If the guy is ok marrying her knowing her past then it should be fine.
If he marries her without doing proper background research and then laments later then he is himself to be blamed.
 
Are Hindu men *****? This thread reminds me a bit of the incel rantings of the white guy who commited a terrorist attack recently....blamed the rest of the world for his inability to get women.

This combination of hyper nationalism, religious supremacy and what seems like involunaty celibacy will be a recipe for disaster for India.

No wonder that the woman are having none of it and marrying Muslims in droves.
 
Are Hindu men *****? This thread reminds me a bit of the incel rantings of the white guy who commited a terrorist attack recently....blamed the rest of the world for his inability to get women.

This combination of hyper nationalism, religious supremacy and what seems like involunaty celibacy will be a recipe for disaster for India.

No wonder that the woman are having none of it and marrying Muslims in droves.

It is well known historically, that muslim men have been charming and seducing and irresistable, and hindu men have found to be wanting when it comes to respecting women..this phenomenon of hindu women (sometimes even the married ones ) running away with a muslim guy, even if he is poor or less educated, is just a natural biological reaction.
 
It is well known historically, that muslim men have been charming and seducing and irresistable, and hindu men have found to be wanting when it comes to respecting women..this phenomenon of hindu women (sometimes even the married ones ) running away with a muslim guy, even if he is poor or less educated, is just a natural biological reaction.

I guess it doesnt help that premier Bollywood male stars are of Muslim heritage and their love interest is usually a pretty Hindu female.

From the few snippets I have seen of Bollywood films the beautiful girl is usually in love with the muslim man and the creeps/sleazy guys trying to stop her have the typical 'hindu' appearance. From what you are saying these films seem to have captured the situation of Indian Hindu males quite well.
 
I guess it doesnt help that premier Bollywood male stars are of Muslim heritage and their love interest is usually a pretty Hindu female.

From the few snippets I have seen of Bollywood films the beautiful girl is usually in love with the muslim man and the creeps/sleazy guys trying to stop her have the typical 'hindu' appearance. From what you are saying these films seem to have captured the situation of Indian Hindu males quite well.

That is an important reason. There was a time when girls would find names like rajesh and vinod attractive, now even a third rung muslim actor like zaid khan is more attractive than hindu actors like abhishek bachchan and vivek oberoi ( obviously you wouldn't have heard of these names, but they are the best among the actors from the hindu community). Muslims have won the battle of manliness in popular culture, and depicting them as the bad guys has only made them more attractive for the typical hindu female..so she elopes with a salman even if he is a car mechanic, while the suresh and ramesh are busy preparing for entrance exams.
 
Good to see a minister standing up for Indian traditions, the country was famous for child marriages when I was growing up, even the Simpsons had an episode mentioning it.

I don't agree with child marriage at all by the way, but what would you expect me to say? Love jihad and all that.
 
That is an important reason. There was a time when girls would find names like rajesh and vinod attractive, now even a third rung muslim actor like zaid khan is more attractive than hindu actors like abhishek bachchan and vivek oberoi ( obviously you wouldn't have heard of these names, but they are the best among the actors from the hindu community). Muslims have won the battle of manliness in popular culture, and depicting them as the bad guys has only made them more attractive for the typical hindu female..so she elopes with a salman even if he is a car mechanic, while the suresh and ramesh are busy preparing for entrance exams.
Very interesting point of view. Its good to have such open minded discussion with an Indian poster. Generally you guys are very narrow minded.
 
Reading some of the posts here, I'm seriously starting to doubt if I even live in India! :O
Where do you live, [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] ? India is a very diverse country, so it's possible that whatever you posted above is true for the place you live in, but it certainly isn't for a huge chunk of the country!
 
Daughter of an RSS extremist who used to run campaigns against "Love Jihad" marries a Muslim guy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The daughter of an RSS extremist who used to run campaigns against "Love Jihad" marries a Muslim guy. 😂<a href="https://t.co/TM0plbgTIM">https://t.co/TM0plbgTIM</a></p>— علي (@Musanghism) <a href="https://twitter.com/Musanghism/status/1139175538340368385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This is epic trolling .... :)))
 
Love Jihad thing is exaggerated by Hindu extremists to justify their hate for Muslim's. No doubt that many Muslim men do target Hindu girls for religious conversion which is to be condemned. I can understand the anger Hindu families feel when such things happen with their young girls but mostly there are at least two sides to a story. I see that hardly any Hindu condemns this "ghar wapsi" thing by RSS where Muslim gal's are targeted by Hindu boy's, rather most Hindu's encourage it. These Muslim's don't need any "ghar wapsi" when they are already at home thank you very much! They are Muslim because they want to be Muslim! They were born Muslim and love Islam very much. It is weird that it is outsiders who are making them leave Islam by telling them they were forced in to it.
 
I am all for Inter faith marriage provided there is no conversion.

The conversion part raises a lot of questions on the motives of the Muslim bride/groom.

I bet the RSS guy will be more than happy if the guy converted to Hinduism to marry his daughter.
 
I am all for Inter faith marriage provided there is no conversion.

The conversion part raises a lot of questions on the motives of the Muslim bride/groom.

I bet the RSS guy will be more than happy if the guy converted to Hinduism to marry his daughter.

I don’t see a problem because Muslim guys in these cases are pretty clear and open from the start that conversion will be expected in case marriage is on the cards. The Hindu woman can easily end things if that is not fine.

It would be a problem if there was hypocrisy where this conversion was never an expectation but is foisted upon at it after marriage
 
Love Jihad Paranoia

The year 2030, according to the predictions of Chetna Devi, is when Muslims in this country will outnumber Hindus since “they reproduce like pests”. This will happen sooner than we think, she says. Hindus will be hunted down and made refugees in their own motherland by “majoritarian” Muslims, she believes, because in a land where Muslims dominate, no other religion is allowed to exist.

She claims to understand their game plan; their hidden agenda to usurp Bharatvarsha from Hindus. And to prepare for this distinct eventuality, she wants Hindus – usually a peaceful community, she said – to take up arms and prepare for a war of faith that will preserve their religion and their existence. To this end, she trains women and children in weaponry, including bows and arrows, swords and even guns. Such training centres are called akhadas.

Chetna Devi is known to the world as Yati Maa Chetnanand Saraswati, head of a Meerut-based outfit called Akhand Hindustan Morcha. She is one of the most charismatic and prominent religious leaders in a region that has produced many like her.
Meeting her was a bit of a challenge, though. Not because she didn’t want to meet us and discuss her worldview, but because the directions she gave us to her house were utterly convoluted. That, we were to realise later, was the only ambiguity we would experience in dealing with her. It took us an hour longer than we had anticipated to get to her home, which we finally managed with the help of her neighbours.

Chetna Devi is popular in her neighbourhood. She is both a lawyer and a religious leader, which is a rare but useful combination of talents, and one that makes it difficult to ignore her.

We eventually found her independent double-storied house sandwiched between two other houses in a corner plot, surrounded by a high wall. Iron gates opened into a small courtyard ornamented with a few potted plants, and clothes were drying on washing lines. To all appearances, it was a quintessentially middle class home in this district of a million-plus people.

We had first heard about Chetna Devi in connection with Shallu, the poster figure for love jihad. Chetna had helped the family “rescue” Shallu from marrying Kalim. She has provided similar services to many Hindus families, all cases of love jihad. In her quest to save Hinduism, in fact, Chetna is particularly concerned with love jihad.

According to the propaganda, love jihad is the act of a Muslim man enticing a Hindu girl into a relationship and then marrying her. In the process, the girl is converted to Islam. And since a Muslim man is legally allowed four wives, he can repeat the process several times. Many fertile Hindu girls are thus converted to Islam and bear Muslim children. This means Hindus are deprived of potential mothers. If this larger strategy succeeds, there won’t be enough Hindu women left to give birth to Hindu children.

For Chetna, love jihad is a sinister socio-religious plot by one religion against another. Though her own personality is pretty tough, Chetna feels young Hindu girls are gullible and vulnerable, easy prey for “sensuous” Muslim men.

That Muslim men are sensuous is also the fault of their faith, she says. In what she claims is a scientific theory, she says that, since Muslims as a community are relatively poor, they live in small houses without privacy. Young children, therefore, witness their parents in the act of sex very early on. Since they are initiated into sexual intimacy early, they are better at satisfying a woman’s desire. Therefore, if a Hindu girl experiences intimacy with a Muslim boy, she falls madly in love, and even the honour of her family becomes a secondary consideration.

I smiled and said, “It’s not fair to call only Muslim men sensuous.”

She didn’t get the joke and said, “There is a reason for it. Sex is not taboo in a Muslim family. And the family encourages them to trap Hindu girls.”

I didn’t try to convince her that her castigation of Muslim men as irresistible is actually a compliment to them, and that her characterisation of Hindu girls as innocent and gullible is actually criticism. The implication, of course, is that Hindu girls don’t have minds of their own, and therefore, are prone to being manipulated. However, when it comes to Shallu, these conclusions are not borne out by the facts. Shallu was fiercely independent and sure of her mind in the face of enormous social and family pressure, even death threats.

Chetna blamed Shallu’s family for the young woman’s actions. Since she made herself responsible for getting Shallu back, she knows the family well. Tyagi, Shallu’s father, “is an alcoholic”, said Chetna. “He couldn’t keep his flock together.” Since the family didn’t pursue the matter in court, their outrage in front of the media was mere drama, Chetna concluded in her matter-of-fact manner.

Shallu’s younger sister stayed with Chetna for weeks before she returned to her family home, she said, because Chetna and her husband wanted to ensure that this young woman would not repeat her sister’s mistake. “She was in love with the same man as her older sister,” Chetna repeated, as if to say, can you believe it?

Chetna claims that Kalim was having an affair with both sisters, each madly in love with him. Chetna and her husband had to ensure that the younger girl did not elope with Kalim. They counselled her and even used force in their effort to de-indoctrinate her, present reason to her, rescue her life.

Many such girls, Chetna claimed, have sought her help. In her experience, love jihad is a dangerous game. Muslims are innovative in the ways they employ to destroy the Hindu religion, she says, and she lists various types of jihad.

Population jihad: Each married Muslim couple should produce as many children as possible so that one day, not too far in the future, Muslims will outnumber Hindus.

Rape jihad: Thankfully, still not practiced extensively, this means that videos are made of girls being raped. These girls are then blackmailed into submission.

Land jihad: In other words, ghettoisation.

I decided to confront her. “I’m being the devil’s advocate,” I said. “I have questions to ask. You may not like them. But may I ask?”

“Go ahead. I know your questions,” she retorted.

“You see sinister designs in every action and blame a religion for it. Are you paranoid?”

“The Hindus are sleeping. The way things are these days, it will only culminate in nar-shaghar or mass extermination. Look what happened in Kashmir. Lakhs of Hindus were hounded out of their homes. The situation was bad and is getting worse.”

Chetna was always focused when we spoke. It does not disturb her that her love for her fellow Hindus is fuelled by hatred for Muslims. Indeed, hatred seems to be the guiding force of her myopic worldview. Her hate is genuine, much like true love. She isn’t faking it for some political convenience. And I can’t help but empathise with her: she is so wrong, but her convictions are the gospel truth to her, and she is tormented by them every moment of her life. All this hatred has become her life force.

https://scroll.in/article/955971/th...-to-save-hindu-women-from-sensuous-muslim-men
 
"Since they are initiated into sexual intimacy early, they are better at satisfying a woman’s desire." I wonder if this women is saying this from her experience.
 
Chetna Devi should seek a mental doctor. What she is experiencing is not good for health.
 
:facepalm:

She should change her name from chetna devi to Halwa Devi.

So many things wrong in her statements. I don't know where to start. Muslims are not going to out number Hindus in the next 100 years in India. By that time, religion will cease to exist most probably.

She should be put in jail just for making crazy statements. This is borderline hate speech.
 
Whats the point of this thread? Another India bashing Sunday thread?

Every society, country, religion has their fare share of loonies. You are just digging out articles like that because of your India obsession. I bet 99.99999% of Indians have no clue who this woman is!!
 
Whats the point of this thread? Another India bashing Sunday thread?

Every society, country, religion has their fare share of loonies. You are just digging out articles like that because of your India obsession. I bet 99.99999% of Indians have no clue who this woman is!!

Mainstream politicians have talked about Love Jihad. Its not a fringe theory in India.

This women takes it to another level by suggesting the following "That Muslim men are sensuous is also the fault of their faith, she says. In what she claims is a scientific theory, she says that, since Muslims as a community are relatively poor, they live in small houses without privacy. Young children, therefore, witness their parents in the act of sex very early on. Since they are initiated into sexual intimacy early, they are better at satisfying a woman’s desire."
 
Irrespective of religion majority of children living in one bedroom houses grow up by seeing sexual intimacy of their parents.
 
Whats the point of this thread? Another India bashing Sunday thread?

Every society, country, religion has their fare share of loonies. You are just digging out articles like that because of your India obsession. I bet 99.99999% of Indians have no clue who this woman is!!
Lol it’s a well know indian publication

Every country has its loonies but indian just specializes in having them more esp in recent years whether it’s this or cow faeces being antidote to coronavirus
 
Lol it’s a well know indian publication

Every country has its loonies but indian just specializes in having them more esp in recent years whether it’s this or cow faeces being antidote to coronavirus

And this Love Jihad theory didn’t popped out of nowhere. However just like camel urine is used in several cultures, cow urine has something to offer in Ayurveda.

I don’t understand why you guys are so riled up if someone wants to consume cow urine. Its not like they are pouring it in someone else’s throat. It should not be your concern.
 
Only way to reduce incidents of so called love jihad is by introducing new stupid rules in hinduism like marrying out of their religion is the biggest sin.Now it's very spread these rules with the help of people like gau mutur and gobar gangs.
 
Lol it’s a well know indian publication

Every country has its loonies but indian just specializes in having them more esp in recent years whether it’s this or cow faeces being antidote to coronavirus

There are many cases in various police stations where the boy hides his name, marries a girl and then force them to convert to their religion.

If its a true love then identity shouldn’t have been hidden or the girl shouldn’t be forced to accept the groom’s religion.

Having said that I don’t agree with this loonie woman. What she is doing will be dividing the society further more.
 
Only way to reduce incidents of so called love jihad is by introducing new stupid rules in hinduism like marrying out of their religion is the biggest sin.Now it's very spread these rules with the help of people like gau mutur and gobar gangs.

Hinduism isn’t as strict as Islam. And I’m perfectly fine with anybody marrying anybody from any religion or culture out of their choice, if they know what they’re getting into.
 
There are many cases in various police stations where the boy hides his name, marries a girl and then force them to convert to their religion.

If its a true love then identity shouldn’t have been hidden or the girl shouldn’t be forced to accept the groom’s religion.


Having said that I don’t agree with this loonie woman. What she is doing will be dividing the society further more.

Isn't there a huge difference between hiding your religion and telling the girl after marriage vs she knows your religion before marriage and she willingly agrees to convert or raise the children in the fathers religion?

Seems majority cases are the latter, and yet people have a huge issue on something that should be none of their business.
 
Isn't there a huge difference between hiding your religion and telling the girl after marriage vs she knows your religion before marriage and she willingly agrees to convert or raise the children in the fathers religion?

Seems majority cases are the latter, and yet people have a huge issue on something that should be none of their business.

I agree with whatever you said. But how do you know that majority of cases are the latter. Any source? I’m genuinely curious.

I personally don’t have any issue with latter. And Majority of educated ones don’t have either. I’m sure of that. However i have issues with the 1st scenario.
 
I've seen many Muslim men rejoice when a fellow Muslim man marries a Hindu girl. When the gender reverses and it wrecks havoc for them. They go insane.

Same applies to Hindus when "their" girl marries a Muslim.

Its to do with patriarchy and male ego more than anything else.
 
I feel this poor woman is already in a state of mental disfunction. She is using foreign terms such as love, jihad and sensuous, so as a proud Hindu, does she even understand that she is already swimming in unfamiliar waters? The battle is lost before she has even raised her sword. This unfortunately is the story of modern "India".
 
Most Indians are very obsessed with words like "Jihad", "Islam", "Terrorism" now. This wasn't the case merely 10 years ago.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A standard technique out of BJP rulebook: When you cant fulfill election promises, start targeting Muslims. <br><br>He is raking up the “Love Jihad” bogey when crime rate is at its peak & pandemic is wreaking a havoc. Its just another ploy to fool the people. <a href="https://t.co/p6qsn22VDd">https://t.co/p6qsn22VDd</a></p>— Raqib Hameed Naik (@raqib_naik) <a href="https://twitter.com/raqib_naik/status/1299611325165965312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
What the hell is love jihad? LOL.

Who coined this term?

Most of the time the term is used when a Muslim guy marries Hindu girl, and she converts to Islam, or agrees to raise the children as Muslim.

Some restrict the term "love jihad" only if the Muslim guy pretends to be a non Muslim, and the girl does not know that she is marrying a non Muslim. It seems very unlikely in 2020 a girl would not know the religion of the person she is marrying, but it could happen.
 
To elaborate on the above point, If the term was coined in India, it would probably be phrased in Hindi so Prem Jihad would be more suitable in India itself.

By the way, Yogi is looking trim and in good health, setting a fine example for fellow Hindutvas so kudos to him for that.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A massively viral video was shared claiming a Hindu woman married a Muslim man against her family's wishes. Social media added a 'love jihad' spin to the incident, none of which was found true in Alt News investigation.<a href="https://t.co/IS4TLhHgi5">pic.twitter.com/IS4TLhHgi5</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1315296697598255104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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