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We need to talk about the performance and intent of Afghanistan against India

TheSultan said:
Oh my days - do you guys even read anything. I even said that Pakistan is no barometer to follow!
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They have zero wins against BD in ICC tournaments.. BD is a minnow level team consistently in ICC tournaments
 
TheSultan said:
Oh my days - do you guys even read anything. I even said that Pakistan is no barometer to follow!
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Are you trying to say:
1. Afghanistan are talented and give a below par performance deliberately against India.
2. Pakistan are not talented, but they never underperform deliberately against anyone.
 
@TheSultan It is because India is like a second home to AFG. If I am playing against some pper, then I'll also be laughing/chatting even if we are playing competitively. That doesn't mean my intensity is any less. It just means there's different dynamics between us than the rest.
 
sweep_shot said:
Afghans definitely don't seem charged up against India. That shows in performance. It is like a picnic party.
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Atleast they are having picnic party and keeping their fan’s heart rate in check. We get heart attacks and strokes as fans because they take it till the very end n lose it from winning positions :cautious:
 
CricketCartoons said:
Are you trying to say:
1. Afghanistan are talented and give a below par performance deliberately against India.
2. Pakistan are not talented, but they never underperform deliberately against anyone.
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Pakistan has nothing to do with this. Pakistan currently are crap. They shouldn’t even be in any discussion.

Point no1 - correct. I don’t know if it’s deliberate but it is a valid question why?
 
TheSultan said:
Pakistan has nothing to do with this. Pakistan currently are crap. They shouldn’t even be in any discussion.

Point no1 - correct. I don’t know if it’s deliberate but it is a valid question why?
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Bro the thing is, WI also washed Afghanistan. Afghani players go into panic mode and even today against Australia we saw a few instances of that.

When someone goes attack mode on them they shell alot of things. 2019 England did it to them and WI also mauled them this cup.

India is superior because India is use to playing them and just goes on attack mode. Rashid khan this time was an exception. Besides Sky all Indian players struggled big time against him
 
TheSultan said:
Why are Afghanistan so lacklustre against India but fully up for every other opposition. This isn’t about their performances, it’s about their body language.

Is it:

1. Being in awe of India?
2. Feeling the pressure of playing India?
3. Individual worry about IPL contracts
4. Collective subservience to what is perceived as their paymasters?
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What is YOUR answer ? Lets hear it
 
mominsaigol said:
Bro the thing is, WI also washed Afghanistan. Afghani players go into panic mode and even today against Australia we saw a few instances of that.

When someone goes attack mode on them they shell alot of things. 2019 England did it to them and WI also mauled them this cup.

India is superior because India is use to playing them and just goes on attack mode. Rashid khan this time was an exception. Besides Sky all Indian players struggled big time against him
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While that’s true - my point is not about winning and losing. They lost against us (pakistan) many times (close yes), but their attitude was on point.

Against India im not talking about panicking. They panic whenever they’re getting roasted, but against India most of the team seems to be just going through the motions.
 
uppercut said:
What is YOUR answer ? Lets hear it
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I suspect it’s nnumber 4 on my list.

Afghanistan just look like a team that just want to get the Indian match over and done with so then they can actually go hard in the next match
 
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I won’t talk about “intent” because there is no need to question their desire to beat India and the integrity of these players who take pride in representing their country.

However, they definitely have a mental block when it comes to competing with their Indian masters.

Perhaps they are too impressed with the Indian players or too friendly or don’t believe they are good enough to beat them, but Afghanistan vs India and Afghanistan vs others are not the same team.
 
And for the record - before any Indians start getting the chads in a twist. I’m not saying Afghanistan would even beat India if they went hard and had a better attitude, but why do they seem so lacklustre
 
TheSultan said:
I suspect it’s no4 on my list.

Afghanistan just look like a team that just want to get the Indian match over and done with so then they can actually go hard in the next match
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And I suppose no matter what facts are put forward you will continue to hold on to your theory.... correct?
 
uppercut said:
And I suppose no matter what facts are put forward you will continue to hold on to your theory.... correct?
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Well no, that’s why I asked the question and created the thread. Show me some of your “facts”.

Some people have come up with good explanations. Some are getting riled up and getting in to whataboutery about Pakistan.

Which one are you?
 
TheSultan said:
While that’s true - my point is not about winning and losing. They lost against us (pakistan) many times (close yes), but their attitude was on point.

Against India im not talking about panicking. They panic whenever they’re getting roasted, but against India most of the team seems to be just going through the motions.
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They did that with West Indies as well aka going through the motions. While WI is superior, Afghanistan was bowling awfully from ball 1 and seemed relax, Likely cause they just got overwhelmed on entering S8 and just took it easy.

Against india idk, but it's far fetched to make this into a country war or an IPL friendship group, Their a team that wants to win the cup, not roll over for dosti yaari.

My guess is they just switch off against India that's all. During the 2009 to 2012 era Sri Lanka had a habit of doing that against Pakistan. The Sri lankan team with sanga, Mahela, Malinga, Jaysuria, Dilshan, murli(at the end of his lifespan but still), Tharanga and many others that played were 100x superior to the Pakistan side especially 2011 that was playing with Kamran, Hafeez, Misbah, YK(Crap in odi), Afridi, UA, Shafiq yet they would still lose to Pakistan and collapse like a house of cards despite their being a massive skill gap, Irrespective of the format.

Actually I believe around 2012 period Pakistan wrecked them in a series as well.

Logically none of this should have happened as this Sri Lankan team would compete with Australia, SA, Bully England and even usually lose to India 3-2. So 2 wins atleast,

But against Pakistan they collapsed like a deck and bowled very poorly in general.

So it's just a mentality thing imo, Nedtherlands vs SA is also the same, with SA switching off 24/7 excluding Miller who always performs and managed to this time get them over the line whereas the previous 2 he threw his wicket away.
 
Mamoon said:
I won’t talk about “intent” because there is no need to question their desire to beat India and the integrity of these players who take pride in representing their country.

However, they definitely have a mental block when it comes to competing with their Indian masters.

Perhaps they are too impressed with the Indian players or too friendly or don’t believe they are good enough to beat them, but Afghanistan vs India and Afghanistan vs others are not the same team.
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Their mental block is the same block as Classic Sri Lanka with Dilshan, Thramgra, Malinga, Sangakarra, Mahela always getting humilated in tournaments and even losing series 4-1 to a Pakistan side composed of Kamran and Unar akmal, Asad Shafiq, YK(in odi), Misbah(in odi), Afridi, hafeez(As opener).

Despite this Sri Lankan team usually competing with the entire planet especially making England their bunny during this time period. This trash Minnow England team also wrecked us in a series during this period.

Nedtherlands vs SA is another example where everyone besides Miller switches off. Even the last 2 games that SA lost, only Miller looked switched on in terms of confidence even if he didn't perform while everyone else played like chickens.

So just a mental block really.
 
TheSultan said:
Well no, that’s why I asked the question and created the thread. Show me some of your “facts”.

Some people have come up with good explanations. Some are getting riled up and getting in to whataboutery about Pakistan.

Which one are you?
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They came very close to beating India in India last year ... took the game to a super over.

Also AF is not the only team that we beat 9/10 times .... Pak, BD and SL suffer the same fate. So going by your theory these teams are also subservient to India?
 
Is it some kind of bogey mentality and inferiority complex like New Zealand with Australia? The Black Caps despite being a diligent, tidy and professional team usually save their worst flops for the cousins across the water, not just bad losses but embarrassingly inept batsman dismissals and their bowlers getting clobbered around the park.
 
We play a lot of Afghanistan in ipl and figured out their strengths and weaknesses. That helps. That being said they are a much stronger opponent right now in the shorter format than Pakistan without even a proper cricketing structure.
They play as a team with a lot of zeal and courage. I would love to see them with this tournament.
 
A combination of factors. India are great at thrashing minnows. Afganistan's strength doesn't hit India the way it hits Australia, they are bad against spin.
 
Today is the first time they have beaten any good side.
If they regularly beat Pakistan or run them close problem lies with Pakistan.
 
TheSultan said:
Why are Afghanistan so lacklustre against India but fully up for every other opposition. This isn’t about their performances, it’s about their body language.

Is it:

1. Being in awe of India?
2. Feeling the pressure of playing India?
3. Individual worry about IPL contracts
4. Collective subservience to what is perceived as their paymasters?
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I honestly don't think this is anything but a Pakistani perspective. Body language like beauty is in the eye of the beholder and Pakistanis who're looking for reasons why they've lost to Afghanistan more than their neighbours are bound to find the reasons in abstract concepts like 'effort' and 'body language'.

The simple explanation is that India is a better team and more suited to playing the particular Afghanistan skills of spin than any other country.
 
uppercut said:
They came very close to beating India in India last year ... took the game to a super over.

Also AF is not the only team that we beat 9/10 times .... Pak, BD and SL suffer the same fate. So going by your theory these teams are also subservient to India?
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Yes I have no problem saying that Pak do
 
James said:
Is it some kind of bogey mentality and inferiority complex like New Zealand with Australia? The Black Caps despite being a diligent, tidy and professional team usually save their worst flops for the cousins across the water, not just bad losses but embarrassingly inept batsman dismissals and their bowlers getting clobbered around the park.
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You know what’s funny though - there was a time in the 90s and early 2000s, NZ would give Australia a very hard time. Recently yes they’ve been abysmal
 
Its fairly simple. India are a professional and finely tuned outfit. Even when they are not at their best they hammer minnows and beat mid-level teams like Afghanistan. Whatever you wanna say about Kohli and Rohit, players like SKY, Pant, Pandya understand the modern demands of this format as well as their role within the team.

Pakistan are so erratic and inconsistent from match to match that you're never quite sure who is going to turn up; Dr. Jeckyll or Mr. Hyde. On top of that, Pakistani players lack in basic areas like fielding, game awareness, fitness. Things that can sometimes be the difference between two teams in a format with such fine margins.

You could argue that Pakistan are better than how they performed in this tournament. But does it really matter? All that matters at the end of the day is winning. Nobody remembers all the other factors.

Until Pakistan really start focusing on things like fielding, fitness etc. from a grassroots level and start teaching their players to think critically from a young age, problems like these will persist because the players coming in will have the same problems.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Its fairly simple. India are a professional and finely tuned outfit. Even when they are not at their best they hammer minnows and beat mid-level teams like Afghanistan. Whatever you wanna say about Kohli and Rohit, players like SKY, Pant, Pandya understand the modern demands of this format as well as their role within the team.

Pakistan are so erratic and inconsistent from match to match that you're never quite sure who is going to turn up; Dr. Jeckyll or Mr. Hyde. On top of that, Pakistani players lack in basic areas like fielding, game awareness, fitness. Things that can sometimes be the difference between two teams in a format with such fine margins.

You could argue that Pakistan are better than how they performed in this tournament. But does it really matter? All that matters at the end of the day is winning. Nobody remembers all the other factors.

Until Pakistan really start focusing on things like fielding, fitness etc. from a grassroots level and start teaching their players to think critically from a young age, problems like these will persist because the players coming in will have the same problems.
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But again a lot of people are losing the context here. This has nothing to do with Pakistan or how good India are.

To satisfy everyone let’s just say India are the GOAT and they would always beat even a fully firing Afghan team.

The question is, why are Afghanistan not as up for it against India?
 
TheSultan said:
Oh my days - do you guys even read anything. I even said that Pakistan is no barometer to follow!
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Maybe Afghanistan is no barometer follow either. No objective follower is going to claim Afghans are a better team than pakistan whether it's result or resources.

And when Pakistan was a barometer in 90s, they still soiled it against India on the biggest stage.

Once again, what's the point you are trying to make :lol
 
TheSultan said:
But again a lot of people are losing the context here. This has nothing to do with Pakistan or how good India are.

To satisfy everyone let’s just say India are the GOAT and they would always beat even a fully firing Afghan team.

The question is, why are Afghanistan not as up for it against India?
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The answer is in your own post itself... Ind is a gun team and will hammer the weaker teams mercilessly ( especially in WC Matches ) which is why the contest appears non existent. And it does not matter whether its AF, BD, SL, PK, IR etc. The end result is almost same.
 
TheSultan said:
But again a lot of people are losing the context here. This has nothing to do with Pakistan or how good India are.

To satisfy everyone let’s just say India are the GOAT and they would always beat even a fully firing Afghan team.

The question is, why are Afghanistan not as up for it against India?
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What do you mean by aggression? Do you mean visual outburst of emotion. If so the same can be said about Indian team while playing Pakistan. Our players are much more well behaved while playing Pakistan than while playing Australia or England. Kohli even had issues with players from Bangladesh, but never with any Pakistani player. He was even seen laughing with Pakistani team after Champions trophy loss.
 
TheSultan said:
But again a lot of people are losing the context here. This has nothing to do with Pakistan or how good India are.

To satisfy everyone let’s just say India are the GOAT and they would always beat even a fully firing Afghan team.

The question is, why are Afghanistan not as up for it against India?
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My bad. I went into a different tangent rather than addressing the topic of the thread.

As a lot of posters have pointed out, I think its the Australia-New Zealand principle. A mental block against a specific team. New Zealand are a top quality side and a highly professional unit. But when they play against Australia, more often than not, they look and play like minnows.

Mamoon actually said it perfectly above. I think Afghan players admire Indian players too much because of IPL, the team that India is and their personal friendships even. It often feels like Afghan players don't believe that they can beat India. Even when they come very close to beating India (2018 Asia Cup, 2019 WC) they throw it away because clearly there is a mental block that they have not been able to get past.
 
Another thing is Pakistan fans have this weird obsession with body langauge, aggression, intent and what not. Shoab Akhtar made this " jigra jazba gurda " narrative very popular amongst the Pakistan cricket fraternity

So when Pakistan loses, there is always more questions on body language, aggression , intent - instead of real issue slike skill set, planning, tactics

In reality all this body language & aggression counts for nothing. It ultimately boils down to skill & abiity. Afghanistan dont beat Australia or Pakistan bcoz they are so charged up. They win bcoz they are capable

Look at Jos Buttler. DOes he looks very aggressive by nature. Or Jasprit Bumrah. Or Travis Head ?
 
NishanKonar said:
Another thing is Pakistan fans have this weird obsession with body langauge, aggression, intent and what not. Shoab Akhtar made this " jigra jazba gurda " narrative very popular amongst the Pakistan cricket fraternity

So when Pakistan loses, there is always more questions on body language, aggression , intent - instead of real issue slike skill set, planning, tactics

In reality all this body language & aggression counts for nothing. It ultimately boils down to skill & abiity. Afghanistan dont beat Australia or Pakistan bcoz they are so charged up. They win bcoz they are capable

Look at Jos Buttler. DOes he looks very aggressive by nature. Or Jasprit Bumrah. Or Travis Head ?
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If only body language wins tournaments Bangladesh would have won all the Asia cup :) English guys like Jo Root are as meek as they come.
 
anikrc1 said:
What do you mean by aggression? Do you mean visual outburst of emotion. If so the same can be said about Indian team while playing Pakistan. Our players are much more well behaved while playing Pakistan than while playing Australia or England. Kohli even had issues with players from Bangladesh, but never with any Pakistani player. He was even seen laughing with Pakistani team after Champions trophy loss.
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When did I even say “aggression”? Lol. You guys are a bit too riled up and not reading properly. Take a deep breath.

And no, it’s not about showing emotion. You can have a blank steely resolve, that’s fine. Being confidently relaxed is fine. A lot of afghani players seem very anonymous and disinterested when they play India.
 
NishanKonar said:
Another thing is Pakistan fans have this weird obsession with body langauge, aggression, intent and what not. Shoab Akhtar made this " jigra jazba gurda " narrative very popular amongst the Pakistan cricket fraternity

So when Pakistan loses, there is always more questions on body language, aggression , intent - instead of real issue slike skill set, planning, tactics

In reality all this body language & aggression counts for nothing. It ultimately boils down to skill & abiity. Afghanistan dont beat Australia or Pakistan bcoz they are so charged up. They win bcoz they are capable

Look at Jos Buttler. DOes he looks very aggressive by nature. Or Jasprit Bumrah. Or Travis Head ?
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LOL

Current Pak team lacks in everything and that is body language, aggression , intent but also in skill set, planning, tactics.
 
NishanKonar said:
Another thing is Pakistan fans have this weird obsession with body langauge, aggression, intent and what not. Shoab Akhtar made this " jigra jazba gurda " narrative very popular amongst the Pakistan cricket fraternity

So when Pakistan loses, there is always more questions on body language, aggression , intent - instead of real issue slike skill set, planning, tactics

In reality all this body language & aggression counts for nothing. It ultimately boils down to skill & abiity. Afghanistan dont beat Australia or Pakistan bcoz they are so charged up. They win bcoz they are capable

Look at Jos Buttler. DOes he looks very aggressive by nature. Or Jasprit Bumrah. Or Travis Head ?
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Shoaib is talking about himself. And this is true for certain players. They need a little something to light a fire under them. Kohli is very much the same in that regard. But that doesn't discount Shoaib or Kohli's skill that is still there. This aggression/body language is just an extra motivation to help you find that competitive spirit/drive that might not be there there was no conflict in the match. So I wouldn't say that it counts for nothing.

Pakistani pundits completely miss the main point, which is infact skill-level. And focus on this, which is a minor thing that only applies to certain players.
 
Sometimes aggressive body language backfires. I remember Kohli needled Bairstow and revved him up. After that he absolutely mauled India to register Test win chasing 377 with Root. Flintoff needled Yuvraj and next over went for 36 runs. Kohli sometimes fake aggression. But when it comes to NZ he would be like Dalai Lama. Uber I don't think he needles pakistan as well. Mostly Aussies sometimes England. Also needling Kohli is also a bad idea. Pakistani players worship Kohli lol Afghanistan players are no different. They have massive respect for Indian seniors. Hardik Pandya captained TItans under whom Rashid Khan played. All these guys are friends in the IPL. Even Aussies are uber friendly with Indians something Aussie former players did not like one bit. With franchise cricket you do not see any attitude anymore.
 
Many PPers feel Pakistan helped Afghanistan in cricket as well as other things. That's the Pakistani version of events.
However most Afghani have a different opinion on that especially the ones abroad. Their general opinion is Pakistan is linked to most of he problems in Afghanistan in someway or other. On the other hand ,India they feel has played a significant role in the reconstruction and rehabilitation of Afghanistan.

This is core reason why Afghanistan seems more steely resolved to win against Pakistan, but when it comes to India, they put in their best, but don't necessarily care about win or loss. Besides the disciplined Indian bowling to each batters using data analytics makes a difference in containing Afghan batters. Pakistan bowlers believe in the ''pace is pace'' theory and that compromises line, length and accuracy in search of pace and Afghan batters have scored heavily in recent past of pace.
 
TheSultan said:
Oh my days - do you guys even read anything. I even said that Pakistan is no barometer to follow!
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But ur whole point is afg shows much aggression against pak and we are not able to handle it. Afg are not dishing the same to Ind.is not it?

This is the premise of argument.

Why are Afghanistan so lacklustre against India but fully up for every other "opposition" .
Is Pakistan is not considered as opposition? .I don't think afg were good against some other strong opposition too.Then why only india matters to u ?
 
Vikram1989 said:
But ur whole point is afg shows much aggression against pak and we are not able to handle it. Afg are not dishing the same to Ind.is not it?

This is the premise of argument.

Why are Afghanistan so lacklustre against India but fully up for every other "opposition" .
Is Pakistan is not considered as opposition? .I don't think afg were good against some other strong opposition too.Then why only india matters to u ?
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This is called gaslighting lol Just throwing an accusation with absolutely no evidence, proof spreading it hoping this theory sticks. Basically insinuation of match fixing.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This is called gaslighting lol Just throwing an accusation with absolutely no evidence, proof spreading it hoping this theory sticks. Basically insinuation of match fixing.
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U know when ever pak looses,they used to say match fixing. Now whenever afg /other team looses ,it's match fixing. Cricketing standards have fallen but not the usual case study.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
They hate Pakistan but not India. Its simple but bizarre. We literally gave them everything and they still hate us.
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They are the same wherever they go. UK has same issues, they are generally an ungrateful bunch regardless of how well you treat them, but of course some will bleat conspiracy etc etc
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
They hate Pakistan but not India. Its simple but bizarre. We literally gave them everything and they still hate us.
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That's the same question Indian fans ask when BD players sledge Kohli instead of Babar
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This is called gaslighting lol Just throwing an accusation with absolutely no evidence, proof spreading it hoping this theory sticks. Basically insinuation of match fixing.
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It's basically saying intent is more important than skills. It's.also implying that Afghan team is a world beater while also saying they are crooked match fixers. This way when Afg wins against Pak, it helps to cope assuming Pak lost to a world beater. The idea of match fixing helps in coping that the same world beater lost to Ind because of fixing and not because Ind is better than Pak. It also helps in maligning IPL which has been a bumper success. It's rooted in denial and projection of self on someone.
 
To be frank India always beats weaker teams easily. The only time I have seen Afghanistan come close to beating India in a WC was in 2019 when Indian batting just put up 220 odd. Australia yesterday on the other hand seemed to Panic after seeing how the wicket actually was and started making mistakes on the field when the opposition started to score some runs. Afghanistan had no business scoring 148 on that wicket. Well done to them for capitalising on Australian errors though. Ricky Ponting felt that 120-130 was a winning score on that pitch and Afghanistan got 20-25 more than that. Your performance is dictated by how intimidating the opposition is, India always play intimidating cricket against weaker teams. Hard to show too much intent when you are so far behind in the game.

Even Pakistan was lucky to have played India on a sluggish pitch, if it was a good track don't think the game would have been that close.
 
TheSultan said:
Why are Afghanistan so lacklustre against India but fully up for every other opposition. This isn’t about their performances, it’s about their body language.

Is it:

1. Being in awe of India?
2. Feeling the pressure of playing India?
3. Individual worry about IPL contracts
4. Collective subservience to what is perceived as their paymasters?
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I cannot believe this post is for real and people would actually think some of these reasons are likely even. In stead of focusing on your team’s performances, you are putting forward conspiracy theories on why Afg might or might not have performed.

You do realize that Cummins and Head broke so many hearts in that WC final but both got rewards for millions based on exactly the same performances. Afg players have even more incentives to perform against India, not less.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
I don't want to get banned.
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Here Is the thread that I just bumped it has plenty of wiki links posted in that thread.

What could have Pakistan done to keep Bangladesh within the federation?

Next week marks 50 years to the tragedy. In my opinion, it was a failed experiment to merge East and West Pakistan into one country while we had poor relations with our neighbor India and had so mamy cultural issues. The Pakistan Resolution clearly states that wherever Muslims are in majority...
ppforum.pakpassion.net ppforum.pakpassion.net
 
TheSultan said:
Pakistan has nothing to do with this. Pakistan currently are crap. They shouldn’t even be in any discussion.

Point no1 - correct. I don’t know if it’s deliberate but it is a valid question why?
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You are saying Pakistan is crap, but at least they don't under perform deliberately. You are saying they are crap only to make them better than Afghanistan, that at least they don't underperform like Afghanistan ( as you allege).

Even when there has been history of Pakistani players being caught under performing, you want to call them blameless and instead saying that Afghani players are compromising their integtrity.

Why?
 
I raised the same point in the match thread along with some others.

Even before the match many knew Afghanistan won't beat India.They just don't want to beat India.

They deliberately play bad against India. They just follow the script given to them.
 
TheSultan said:
this is not about Pakistan at all. Pakistan are useless and Afghanistan currently are a much better team.

I am very happy to see the Afghanistan attitude, body language which reminds me of Pakistan back in the day - and I’m thrilled for them to beat Australia.

However, why does that always go missing Vs India?
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Because you cannot accept and digest that Indian team is far better and always claim that India's win is due to some other factor but not because of their performance. You cannot change your attitude and the same way your fate will not be changed.
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followed said:
I raised the same point in the match thread along with some others.

Even before the match many knew Afghanistan won't beat India.They just don't want to beat India.

They deliberately play bad against India. They just follow the script given to them.
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I don't think they play bad on purpose. It's just Afghanistan and India are friendly countries and their okayers are buddies in IPL.

So their more relaxed against India then other teams. But even then India beats them 9 out of 10x
 
When India beat Australia in Australia , there was at least one thread claiming that Aussies were going soft on India because of IPL.

Now that Afghans have beaten Aussies, instead of questioning whether Aussies were auditioning for Afghan Premier League, threads are questioning Afghans' intent against India.

Basically, everything is because of India.

There really is no point pretending anyone cares about anything in PAK anymore.
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
Threads on PP are really funny at times.

When India beat Australia in Australia , there was at least one thread claiming that Aussies were going soft on India because of IPL.

Now that Afghans have beaten Aussies, instead of questioning whether Aussies were auditioning for Afghan Premier League, threads are questioning Afghans' intent against India.

Basically, everything is because of India.

Please change the name of this forum to IndiaPassion.

There really is no point pretending anyone cares about anything in PAK anymore.
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India is the rival nation so understably pakistani supporters will create jealously and conspiracies here and their. But that's AlrightE, just don't pay heed.

What I'm pissed off about is losing to Afghanistan, like what the hell was that? Congrats to Afghanistan but like come on man.
 
TheSultan said:
That’s all well and good, but why is the fire and intent missing? It’s not about performance. They just don’t seem as up for it.
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If you feel happy that it is due to IPL contracts, That kind of weird thinking and planning only brought your team to this stage, please continue think like that and be happy so that your team can stoop down to new lows.
 
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Almost 80% of international Australian cricketers play in the IPL, compared to around 4-5 Afghan players. Australians have beaten India quite regularly in ICC events since the IPL started. Afghanistan is a serious cricket team, especially in white-ball formats, and they have some outstanding talent emerging every year despite the political and economic troubles in their backyard. I see them winning an ICC event in the next 10 years. They are like Sri Lanka of the 90s.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
When India beat Australia in Australia , there was at least one thread claiming that Aussies were going soft on India because of IPL.

Now that Afghans have beaten Aussies, instead of questioning whether Aussies were auditioning for Afghan Premier League, threads are questioning Afghans' intent against India.

Basically, everything is because of India.

There really is no point pretending anyone cares about anything in PAK anymore.
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Little they realize doing well against India is the best way to get into IPL. Keith Jamieson right after a great series against India was sold for 900 k USD
 
followed said:
I raised the same point in the match thread along with some others.

Even before the match many knew Afghanistan won't beat India.They just don't want to beat India.

They deliberately play bad against India. They just follow the script given to them.
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Many know that Pakistan won't beat India too. And they don't even have the excuse of IPL contracts.

Why did Pakistan lose to India? Did they under perform? Any other team would have won from that position.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Many know that Pakistan won't beat India too. And they don't even have the excuse of IPL contracts.

Why did Pakistan lose to India? Did they under perform? Any other team would have won from that position.
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Future-proofing perhaps. Most Pakistani players are young, atleast by their birth certificates. We never know how India-Pak relations may evolve in the future while they are still active.
 
Adiram said:
Because you cannot accept and digest that Indian team is far better and always claim that India's win is due to some other factor but not because of their performance. You cannot change your attitude and the same way your fate will not be changed.
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This has been the notion of Pakistanis about Indian Cricket eversince India & Pakistan started playing cricket! If India wins any match it is only due to fixing (aka purchasing the match through some means, recent way of purchasing is by providing IPL Contracts) and whenever Pakistan loses it is again due to fixing. On merit, India cannot win anyting and Pakistan are too strong to lose something... Pakistani cricketers these days earn their living by losing all their matches to everyone (including USA recently...) By saying so Pakistanis feel superior about their strength at the same time think that they are mocking at India's weakness!
 
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