What’s gone wrong for India’s white ball team

[IamIndian]

I must say they are very overrated.
They are overhyped to the moon by their fans

They think they are the best team that ever played the game in every format.

Bangladesh has brought back India back to the earth.

lol.. India is still one of the top white ball cricket team in the world., Actually India played their second eleven against Bangladesh, still both the matches were very close. Indian team were without their first eleven players like SKY, Gill, Hardik, Bumrah, Jedaja, Shami etc and also a proper wicket keeper.

 

[IamIndian]

lol.. India is still one of the top white ball cricket team in the world., Actually India played their second eleven against Bangladesh, still both the matches were very close. Indian team were without their first eleven players like SKY, Gill, Hardik, Bumrah, Jedaja, Shami etc and also a proper wicket keeper.

and also too many unnecessary experiments and a poor coach!

 

[jnaveen1980]

Coach Dravid's reasons for India's shoddy ODI performances

India head coach Rahul Dravid believes come January, India will in all likelihood, have a full strength ODI squad which will then consistently play for the next 8-9 months leading up to the World Cup at home in October-November.

India's ODI performance has been shoddy with back-to-back defeats in series against New Zealand and Bangladesh with very different squads due to workload management-related permutations and combinations.

"I guess, from our perspective, it has not been easy to play. We don't have full squad. Hopefully, from January, depending on injuries, we will get full squad to play home series. We have nine ODIs before IPL (3 vs NZ, 3 vs SL and 3 vs Aus) and hopefully, we will get to play a settled squad in those games," Dravid said at post-match press conference.

"In the last two years, we had prioritised T20s a lot as there were two World Cups. In the next 8-10 months, we will be prioritising ODI cricket. It is not easy to juggle three formats.

"Now, our white ball boys (specialists) will get some rest with Test matches being played," Dravid added.

https://www.rediff.com/cricket/repo...pur-india-lose-series-bangladesh/20221207.htm

Rahul Dravid is not a coaching material. His thoughts, decisions, actions are all likely to be conservative. He may be a smart guy. But not going to be a trend setter. India has mentally become defensive since he assumed coaching role. Worst is yet to come in my view. India is going to lose a home world cup campaign badly.

 

[MenInG]

India crashed to another disappointing defeat in the second ODI vs Bangladesh, losing by five runs at the Sher-e-Bangla in Dhaka. The defeat meant that Bangladesh sealed the three-match ODI series and lead 2-0. Mehidy Hasan was in amazing form, slamming an unbeaten ton and also taking two wickets in the second ODI. Chasing a target of 272 runs, India reached 266 for nine in 50 overs with captain Rohit Sharma getting an unbeaten half-century while batting with a heavily-taped left thumb. Meanwhile, Shreyas Iyer smacked a knock of 82 runs off 102 balls and Axar Patel hammered 56 runs off 56 deliveries. Ebadot Hossain was in good bowling form and bagged three wickets for the hosts.

Many of the visiting batters put in a poor display, with former captain Virat Kohli only managing five runs off six balls as an opener. Meanwhile, Shikhar Dhawan (8), Washington Sundar (11) and KL Rahul (14) also failed to impress. Initially, Bangladesh posted 271 for seven in 50 overs as Mehidy hammered an unbeaten knock of 100 off 83 balls and Mahmudullah clobbered 77 runs off 96 balls. Meanwhile, Sundar took three wickets for India.

After the match, former players Venkatesh Prasad and Virender Sehwag criticised India's approach in ODI cricket and urged the BCCI to make some changes. Taking to Twitter, Prasad wrote, "India is innovating in so many fields across the world. But whn it comes to playing limited overs cricket, our approach is a decade old. England after the 2015 WC first round exit took tough calls and turned around to become such an exciting team, India need to take tough calls.."

"And change approach drastically. We haven’t won a T20 WC since the IPL started & last 5 years have been poor in ODIs apart from winning inconsequential bilateral. Haven’t learned from our mistakes for too long and far from being an exciting team in limited overs cricket. CHANGE", he further added.

And change approach drastically. We haven’t won a T20 WC since the IPL started & last 5 years have been poor in ODI’s apart from winning inconsequential bilateral. Haven’t learned from our mistakes for too long and far from being an exciting team in limited overs cricket. CHANGE

With pride at stake, India will be aiming to grab a consolation win in the third ODI, scheduled for Saturday in Dhaka.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...eries-loss-vs-bangladesh-101670431888994.html

 

[jnaveen1980]

No need of consolation crap win. Sanju Samson fans have more ammunition to go after Indian team management.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No need of consolation crap win. Sanju Samson fans have more ammunition to go after Indian team management.

Why only Samson? This team management is an utter failure.

 

[asadee]

Mediocre talent

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bench strength usually tends to show you how much depth a team has. In India's case it seems they have too much bench strength. So many players are given chances that none of them are actually allowed to establish themselves.

The key to selecting a World Cup squad is focusing a group of 20 players that you can trim down to 15, not 60 that you can trim down to 15.

 

[Majestic]

Bench strength usually tends to show you how much depth a team has. In India's case it seems they have too much bench strength. So many players are given chances that none of them are actually allowed to establish themselves.

The key to selecting a World Cup squad is focusing a group of 20 players that you can trim down to 15, not 60 that you can trim down to 15.

Completely agreed with this..you don't need to select 50 players and then have no clue on which 15 players you want to back.

Just select 20 based on their talent, work ethic and dedication and then narrow it down to 15 best.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

lol.. India is still one of the top white ball cricket team in the world., Actually India played their second eleven against Bangladesh, still both the matches were very close. Indian team were without their first eleven players like SKY, Gill, Hardik, Bumrah, Jedaja, Shami etc and also a proper wicket keeper.

Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli and KL Rahul would not be playing if this were India's "second eleven". Gill is not a first eleven player in ODIs. Shreyas Iyer is more of a first eleven player than him.

 

[proud_pakistani]

For me some of the newer players are not of the same quality India has had before. Likes of Shreyas Iyer, Deepak Chahar, Axar Patel are all pretty average. It doesnt help that the likes of Kohli and Sharma are ageing. Dhawan too was a very good player but struggling with form.

 

[IamIndian]

Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli and KL Rahul would not be playing if this were India's "second eleven". Gill is not a first eleven player in ODIs. Shreyas Iyer is more of a first eleven player than him.

Half of the first choice players is not playing against Bangladesh. Gill is a regular opener in ODI S during last one year.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

India crashed to another disappointing defeat in the second ODI vs Bangladesh, losing by five runs at the Sher-e-Bangla in Dhaka. The defeat meant that Bangladesh sealed the three-match ODI series and lead 2-0. Mehidy Hasan was in amazing form, slamming an unbeaten ton and also taking two wickets in the second ODI. Chasing a target of 272 runs, India reached 266 for nine in 50 overs with captain Rohit Sharma getting an unbeaten half-century while batting with a heavily-taped left thumb. Meanwhile, Shreyas Iyer smacked a knock of 82 runs off 102 balls and Axar Patel hammered 56 runs off 56 deliveries. Ebadot Hossain was in good bowling form and bagged three wickets for the hosts.

Many of the visiting batters put in a poor display, with former captain Virat Kohli only managing five runs off six balls as an opener. Meanwhile, Shikhar Dhawan (8), Washington Sundar (11) and KL Rahul (14) also failed to impress. Initially, Bangladesh posted 271 for seven in 50 overs as Mehidy hammered an unbeaten knock of 100 off 83 balls and Mahmudullah clobbered 77 runs off 96 balls. Meanwhile, Sundar took three wickets for India.

After the match, former players Venkatesh Prasad and Virender Sehwag criticised India's approach in ODI cricket and urged the BCCI to make some changes. Taking to Twitter, Prasad wrote, "India is innovating in so many fields across the world. But whn it comes to playing limited overs cricket, our approach is a decade old. England after the 2015 WC first round exit took tough calls and turned around to become such an exciting team, India need to take tough calls.."

"And change approach drastically. We haven’t won a T20 WC since the IPL started & last 5 years have been poor in ODIs apart from winning inconsequential bilateral. Haven’t learned from our mistakes for too long and far from being an exciting team in limited overs cricket. CHANGE", he further added.

And change approach drastically. We haven’t won a T20 WC since the IPL started & last 5 years have been poor in ODI’s apart from winning inconsequential bilateral. Haven’t learned from our mistakes for too long and far from being an exciting team in limited overs cricket. CHANGE

With pride at stake, India will be aiming to grab a consolation win in the third ODI, scheduled for Saturday in Dhaka.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...eries-loss-vs-bangladesh-101670431888994.html

Venkatesh Prasad is being overly critical. I am not too worried about our ODI set up. WC is in India, we have a solid team and backups in place.

I'll simply put down NZ and Bangladesh poor performance to team being jaded due to schedule and lack of continuity in selection due to rest/breaks.

It's time boards address the scheduling issue, players are not going to be on top of their game 365 days, so players need to pick formats - if they can't do it for themselves, selectors ought to do it.

Constant chopping and changing to rest players has removed any sort of continuity in development and performance.

 

[PakPremi]

My theory is India ko Mamoon ki nazar lug ghi hai, he was always craving over the richness of their talent. He needs to apologise to India.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Half of the first choice players is not playing against Bangladesh. Gill is a regular opener in ODI S during last one year.

How pathetic is our cricket if we can't even beat Bangladesh if we aren't playing all our first eleven players? These are terrible signs for the World Cup.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bench strength usually tends to show you how much depth a team has. In India's case it seems they have too much bench strength. So many players are given chances that none of them are actually allowed to establish themselves.

The key to selecting a World Cup squad is focusing a group of 20 players that you can trim down to 15, not 60 that you can trim down to 15.

Best understanding of the situation and summary. Yes. Too much bench strength is a bigger headache than not having bench strength at all. Especially it complicate things worse in a place where favoritism external influence plays a role. For example, India A is playing Bangladesh A as of now. There is this guy Jayant Yadav who utterly did nothing in domestic in a long time is playing. He was first picked as third spinner for India test, then they backed him ODI, now he is playing India A. Selection based on influence.

 

[jnaveen1980]

How pathetic is our cricket if we can't even beat Bangladesh if we aren't playing all our first eleven players? These are terrible signs for the World Cup.

BD at home is a good team. They have won 20 outt of 25 ODIs at home in the last 6 years. No pushovers. BD always steps up against India. I don't say BD is a bad side. They play home series very seriously with a lot of passion. SO you have to be upto task.

 

[gani999]

Why only Samson? This team management is an utter failure.

One also has to consider that the Bangladesh team is *very* strong at home. They even thrashed Australia there recently, if I recollect. They are a completely different team outside their home turf.

 

[MP2011]

One also has to consider that the Bangladesh team is *very* strong at home. They even thrashed Australia there recently, if I recollect. They are a completely different team outside their home turf.

Whatever their strength at home is, we were bad in both ODIs, really bad.

You can't be dismissed for less than 200 in just over 40 overs in a game against Bangladesh. Even if we had played out all the stipulated overs, Bangladesh may not have been able to chase that total.

In the 2nd ODI, we allowed them to raise 200 more after reducing them at 6/69 at one stage. This is as bad as it gets, regardless of opposition or playing conditions.

 

[MP2011]

Rahul Dravid is not a coaching material. His thoughts, decisions, actions are all likely to be conservative. He may be a smart guy. But not going to be a trend setter. India has mentally become defensive since he assumed coaching role. Worst is yet to come in my view. India is going to lose a home world cup campaign badly.

He never was. At best, he could be a mentor for upcoming talent.

I don't know who was the genius who thought Dravid would be a good coach for senior cricketers.

Would be good if we lose the ODI WC. May be then we won't see these oldies and Dravid damaging our cricket ever again!

 

[Mamoon]

Dravid should be sacked immediately. The World Cup is almost a year away, plenty of time to recruit a new coach & let him build his team.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He never was. At best, he could be a mentor for upcoming talent.

I don't know who was the genius who thought Dravid would be a good coach for senior cricketers.

Would be good if we lose the ODI WC. May be then we won't see these oldies and Dravid damaging our cricket ever again!

As much as he won't admit, it is a blatant nepotism he accommodates KL Rahul somehow.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Whatever their strength at home is, we were bad in both ODIs, really bad.

You can't be dismissed for less than 200 in just over 40 overs in a game against Bangladesh. Even if we had played out all the stipulated overs, Bangladesh may not have been able to chase that total.

In the 2nd ODI, we allowed them to raise 200 more after reducing them at 6/69 at one stage. This is as bad as it gets, regardless of opposition or playing conditions.

India was in commanding position 136/9 and 69/6 in both matches.. Even Zimbabwe, Afghanistan would have closed out the innings from that point. India's second string bowling attack (none of them are death bowlers by stretch of imagination) could not close out the job. Part of the reason can be attributed to lack of guidance from the captain. India lacked bowlers like Bishnoi, Kuldeep even Pandya to do the finishing job. Anyway it is a lesson for bowlers. They have to learn on their own. They did the same mistake in NZ. NZ was not going anywhere. Suddenly Thakur started bowling tripe in the end overs and India lost the game. In the all the 3 matches India lost recently was due to India's inability to bowl in middle/death phases.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

BD at home is a good team. They have won 20 outt of 25 ODIs at home in the last 6 years.

Mostly lower ranked teams because top teams wouldn't tour Bangladesh.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Would be good if we lose the ODI WC. May be then we won't see these oldies and Dravid damaging our cricket ever again!

They'd just go for another oldie.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Mostly lower ranked teams because top teams wouldn't tour Bangladesh.

They beat us 2-1 last time as well. Also they blanked Pakistan. The slow low surfaces suit them. Anyway they kinda deserved a couple of wins after BD lost to India in so many close games. Nidhahas, Asia cup so many tournament matches India ended up on the winning side. Good for them to have a couple of close wins here. They definitely motivate themselves big time when they play India. Hope they are not content with these 2 wins. Start performing outside BD as well.

 

[praveen]

If players are selected on the basis of their lobby and not their ability this happens.

KL Rahul will open in tests and T20Is but not odi. Why? So that Dhawan can play.

Now KL will still be in the team, so sacrifice a samson or kishan or pant.

On pitches which are turning Kuldeep Yadav or Chahal are not even in the squad, because they want Axar Patel in the team.

Why was Chahar selected today, despite being injured?

The aim of this team management is to anyhow keep their lobby players in the team, no matter what.

Who are these lobby players and how did they get included in this lobby ?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Can fans finally see the side effects of IPL and how it is working as a slow poison for Indian cricket?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Who are these lobby players and how did they get included in this lobby ?

Look up the states and teams they represent. Their friends.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Rohit-Kohli-Dhawan combo was cool in 2014-15. This is 2022 and India are still relying on 35-37 yr olds to score runs for them.
Instead of grooming players like Gill, Kishan,Shaw etc , India are still playing grandpas to score the bulk of runs.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Rohit-Kohli-Dhawan combo was cool in 2014-15. This is 2022 and India are still relying on 35-37 yr olds to score runs for them.
Instead of grooming players like Gill, Kishan,Shaw etc , India are still playing grandpas to score the bulk of runs.

Nobody relies on them. You could come up with a completely different team that will trounce this main Indian side. Even a domestic team will beat this Indian side. They just need to stay relevant till the world cup is over. So they will take part in some series in between.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Rohit-Kohli-Dhawan combo was cool in 2014-15. This is 2022 and India are still relying on 35-37 yr olds to score runs for them.
Instead of grooming players like Gill, Kishan,Shaw etc , India are still playing grandpas to score the bulk of runs.

Dhawan was over 4 years back, yet played. He should be out now.

Rohit should not be in the T20 team, but he has immense ability and we saw glimpses of that 2 days back. But his time is near. 2023 WC should be itm

Kohli has shown he can score runs anywhere in any format even today. He is the only one who deserves to be their till 2026.

 

[Mobashir]

Dhawan was over 4 years back, yet played. He should be out now.

Rohit should not be in the T20 team, but he has immense ability and we saw glimpses of that 2 days back. But his time is near. 2023 WC should be itm

Kohli has shown he can score runs anywhere in any format even today. He is the only one who deserves to be their till 2026.

Surely scoring 4 runs in the innings and 9 in the first match, Kohli is safe.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Surely scoring 4 runs in the innings and 9 in the first match, Kohli is safe.

Maybe he is talking about t20 world cup in Australia, the same place where Babar played like a tailender.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Maybe he is talking about t20 world cup in Australia, the same place where Babar played like a tailender.

Babar also took his team to the final of the world cup by playing a match winning knock in the semi final.

 

[Majestic]

Rohit and Kohli have performed in one inning each so they have their spots cemented. Iyer and Rahul also performed in one inning although in third game, they got out trying to slog in death overs.

Dhawan is the guy in question. There are so many candidates waiting for their place - Gill, Kishan, SKY, Pant, Samson etc

 

[MP2011]

Oldies are what that has gone wrong with our LoI teams.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Oldies are what that has gone wrong with our LoI teams.

Look at BCCI lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">𝐂𝐄𝐍𝐓𝐔𝐑𝐘 𝐅𝐎𝐑 𝐕𝐈𝐑𝐀𝐓 𝐊𝐎𝐇𝐋𝐈 <br><br>He brings up his 44th ODI ton off 85 deliveries.<br><br>He goes past Ricky Ponting to be second on the list in most number of centuries in international cricket.<br><br>Live - <a href="https://t.co/HGnEqtZJsM">https://t.co/HGnEqtZJsM</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BANvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BANvIND</a> <a href="https://t.co/ohSZTEugfD">pic.twitter.com/ohSZTEugfD</a></p>— BCCI (@BCCI) <a href="https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1601505219334242304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Msd_7]

Top order failure in last 2 years.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Top order failure in last 2 years.

This is an era where you cannot carry even one out of form batsman let alone 3 or 4.

 

[MP2011]

This is an era where you cannot carry even one out of form batsman let alone 3 or 4.

Same is true for our test team.

Just that in test cricket our superior bowling lineup carries our test team.

 

[MP2011]

Look at BCCI lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">𝐂𝐄𝐍𝐓𝐔𝐑𝐘 𝐅𝐎𝐑 𝐕𝐈𝐑𝐀𝐓 𝐊𝐎𝐇𝐋𝐈 <br><br>He brings up his 44th ODI ton off 85 deliveries.<br><br>He goes past Ricky Ponting to be second on the list in most number of centuries in international cricket.<br><br>Live - <a href="https://t.co/HGnEqtZJsM">https://t.co/HGnEqtZJsM</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BANvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BANvIND</a> <a href="https://t.co/ohSZTEugfD">pic.twitter.com/ohSZTEugfD</a></p>— BCCI (@BCCI) <a href="https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1601505219334242304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BCCI is just like bhakts, cheering the regime for every little thing.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Did bcci cheer for Sachin when he made 100th century in a losing cause against Bangladesh?

Oh yes they kept a ceremony for that.

But I am quite sure that will be okay for the bh@kts.

 

[jnaveen1980]

BCCI is just like bhakts, cheering the regime for every little thing.

Exactly. Last match they made a dramat tweet about Rohit's 'courageous' knock lol

 

[MP2011]

Exactly. Last match they made a dramat tweet about Rohit's 'courageous' knock lol

Courageous knock my foot!

 

[Champ_Pal]

Rohit's decline started almost an year ago. Kohli had a good T20 WC. But he is still past his prime. Other than SKY and Kohli, no one stepped up. Pandya provided some fireworks at the end. Not enough to beat top teams.

India's festish with big name has been players is the reason. Dhoni was another major culprit. The dude ruined Indian LOI team with his inept team selections. He himself was a major liability with the bat.

 

[Ab Fan]

Best Indian team now :

Rohit(c)
Kishan(wkt)
Kohli
Shreyas
Pant(wkt)/SKY
Pandya
Jadeja
Sundar
Shami
Bumrah
Siraj

 

[Mobashir]

Best Indian team now :

Rohit(c)
Kishan(wkt)
Kohli
Shreyas
Pant(wkt)/SKY
Pandya
Jadeja
Sundar
Shami
Bumrah
Siraj

You think you can beat Bangladesh in Bangladesh with this team?