What are the major steps New Zealand have taken to tackle Covid-19 which Pakistan hasn't?

[the eslah]

Hi All respected PPians...
How are you?hope you are doing well saving lives and saving yourself. Well recent day the whole earth Stopped working.everything were abnormal and silence everywhere, being a country of 250 millions pakistan took every major step to tackle this pandemic, used all their major resources,observe lockdown,try their best to create Awarness. But nothing worked for us nothing worked for US,Nothing worked for India,Nothing worked for whole earth but Newzealand? They are corona free now and the last case Reported was 20 day back and if the sources were to be believed they discharged their last patient from hospital and in few days Newzealand is gonna normalize everything,no SOPs no lockdown no social distancing(oh my god dream country) but let's think what newzealand did that other didn't?is population gap matter here?then why australia,turkey,srilanka and 47 other countries whom population is less or bit more than Newzealand?
What are the pin point major steps newzealand may have taken to tackle covid-19?
Please share your gentle thoughts...

 

[sweep_shot]

NZ is a smaller country that is quite isolated from rest of the world. They also have a great leader and people over there listen to instructions. I guess that was the recipe for success.

 

[ahmedzee]

Everyone listened when govt Implemented a lockdown. No one went out for tarawee or shopping for Eid in bazaar shoulder to shoulder. Also their population is 50 times lower. These factors led to them being covid-19 free. Main thing is people listening to govt protocols. We don’t even do that, and then blame the govt when things get worse.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

Comparing apples to oranges and looking for answers is not going to get you one.

 

[the eslah]

[MENTION=46719]iRfaN_LA[/MENTION] what's the deal of Apple orange here? Whats the d/f b/w newzealand and other countries? Arent there countries smaller than Newzealand? i dont think population is the deal here because epic centre China(largest country) also overcame the virus.

 

[JaDed]

For one their ancestors took all the right decisions and made sure they educated their citizens and gave rights to every citizen irrespective of ethnicity or religion, everything else is just a domino affect plus pure luck about population density.

Taiwan is a better example because they implemented everything based on their experience with SARS and not to forget they have many people traveling between China and them.

 

[Itachi]

[MENTION=46719]iRfaN_LA[/MENTION] what's the deal of Apple orange here? Whats the d/f b/w newzealand and other countries? Arent there countries smaller than Newzealand? i dont think population is the deal here because epic centre China(largest country) also overcame the virus.

You asked about Pakistan.

When you are comparing nz to Pakistan, its a useless comparison.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Everyone listened when govt Implemented a lockdown. No one went out for tarawee or shopping for Eid in bazaar shoulder to shoulder. Also their population is 50 times lower. These factors led to them being covid-19 free. Main thing is people listening to govt protocols. We don’t even do that, and then blame the govt when things get worse.

In other words, Immy bhai is faultless?

lol.

 

[Pakpak]

In other words, Immy bhai is faultless?

lol.

Yes. People in Pakistan don't observe simple protocol. Because morons who can stay at home don't stay at home but go out when they shouldn't.

Many people back home still think its a conspiracy. You have seen how our cricketers are behaving, going out to eat etc, what do you expect from the average awam?

 

[the eslah]

[MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] i am saying the same thing.might be Newzealand population is less,but they can also go out they also can go to market,they also can roam in streets for nothing(just lyk **** does) but they remain disciplined,stable and followed instructions given by higher authorities.

 

[Pakpak]

[MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] i am saying the same thing.might be Newzealand population is less,but they can also go out they also can go to market,they also can roam in streets for nothing(just lyk **** does) but they remain disciplined,stable and followed instructions given by higher authorities.

Yes. Even basic hand washing would help a lot. Social distancing too. But noone does it in Pakistan, we are still overwhelmed by stuff like hepatitis never mind covid.

Though NZ is a different case too. They are very rich, first world and very few people and an island. Our one big city is more populated than their country. But I get your point.

 

[Mamoon]

For starters, they did not appoint a PM because he captained a sports team to a World Cup win.

The situation of New Zealand is obviously very different to Pakistan, but one can clearly see the contrast between strong leadership and clueless leadership.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Jacinda is one of a kind and you really can't compare her and her government to other world leaders who are in power right now.

 

[Giannis]

For starters, they did not appoint a PM because he captained a sports team to a World Cup win.

The situation of New Zealand is obviously very different to Pakistan, but one can clearly see the contrast between strong leadership and clueless leadership.

Get over it. You sound like Ann Coulter thinking pro athletes can't be involved in politics. The thing is people can be/and are multidimensional, they can be exceptional in more than one field.

 

[Itachi]

Get over it. You sound like Ann Coulter thinking pro athletes can't be involved in politics. The thing is people can be/and are multidimensional, they can be exceptional in more than one field.

Well.... IK proved that people can, but not always.

 

[the eslah]

Yes,you are right. All i wanna say is we didnt took it seriously and neglected major precau. Measures.

 

[Giannis]

You're comparing apples to oranges. A poor country of 200 million people over a landmass over twice the size of California vs wealthy nation with only 4.5 million people - 3 times as many people live in Lahore alone.

The main difference which explains why NZ could have afforded a complete shutdown

New Zealand nominal per capita income: $41,945.33

Pakistan nominal per capita income: $1,482.40

Poor countries like poor people can't afford a shutdown. It's the same reason why poor people in the west are going to essential jobs and catching Covid-19 at a faster rate while the rich can stay at home and work from home or even just take a "break" from working. It's comparing very different situations. To put it simply, Pakistan doesn't have the privilege of a first world country to shutdown the economy and give every citizen thousands of dollars in stimulus checks and thousands of dollars in unemployment payments.

 

[the eslah]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], i appeciate your point and that true,Newzealand govt. Is controlled and practical but our govt. Is just clear on paper,tweeting things they think but not do in Real. IK has vision only,not working practically...

 

[the eslah]

Yes. People in Pakistan don't observe simple protocol. Because morons who can stay at home don't stay at home but go out when they shouldn't.

Many people back home still think its a conspiracy. You have seen how our cricketers are behaving, going out to eat etc, what do you expect from the average awam?

You asked about Pakistan.

When you are comparing nz to Pakistan, its a useless comparison.

Yes. Even basic hand washing would help a lot. Social distancing too. But noone does it in Pakistan, we are still overwhelmed by stuff like hepatitis never mind covid.

Though NZ is a different case too. They are very rich, first world and very few people and an island. Our one big city is more populated than their country. But I get your point.

For starters, they did not appoint a PM because he captained a sports team to a World Cup win.

The situation of New Zealand is obviously very different to Pakistan, but one can clearly see the contrast between strong leadership and clueless leadership.

You're comparing apples to oranges. A poor country of 200 million people over a landmass over twice the size of California vs wealthy nation with only 4.5 million people - 3 times as many people live in Lahore alone.

The main difference which explains why NZ could have afforded a complete shutdown

New Zealand nominal per capita income: $41,945.33

Pakistan nominal per capita income: $1,482.40

Poor countries like poor people can't afford a shutdown. It's the same reason why poor people in the west are going to essential jobs and catching Covid-19 at a faster rate while the rich can stay at home and work from home or even just take a "break" from working. It's comparing very different situations. To put it simply, Pakistan doesn't have the privilege of a first world country to shutdown the economy and give every citizen thousands of dollars in stimulus checks and thousands of dollars in unemployment payments.

bro rich/poor isnt the deal i think, America is Superpower but even they cant control it.
Population 350Millions

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

bro rich/poor isnt the deal i think, America is Superpower but even they cant control it.
Population 350Millions

This is such a naive perspective brother.

Dig around and you will see why America is doing so poorly.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yes. People in Pakistan don't observe simple protocol. Because morons who can stay at home don't stay at home but go out when they shouldn't.

Many people back home still think its a conspiracy. You have seen how our cricketers are behaving, going out to eat etc, what do you expect from the average awam?

Not denying people flout norms but is that all there is to it?

Did Imran do all he needs to do?

Cos going by how Imran handled it in March, it was evident he would screw up.

 

[Giannis]

bro rich/poor isnt the deal i think, America is Superpower but even they cant control it.
Population 350Millions

We're being judged by our peers. America could have done so much better, we were ranked as best prepared for a pandemic by WHO I believe, we faltered because of Trump not cause of money problems. America gave each citizen $1200 in stimulus check (the whole bill was over $2 trillion!) and unemployed people are getting $800/week since March due to the economic crisis. We can afford all this because we're a rich country.

 

[the eslah]

[MENTION=150563]Giannis[/MENTION] yes i am saying the very same thing, despite being the richest america cant handled it.i think wealth shealth isnt the deal here,the thing is d/f which even country like america didnt find out.

 

[the eslah]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] yes, IK cant hadle it single handedly,our peoples would have been careful about this.

 

[Mamoon]

Get over it. You sound like Ann Coulter thinking pro athletes can't be involved in politics. The thing is people can be/and are multidimensional, they can be exceptional in more than one field.

Pro athletes can be involved in politics provided that they exhibit the credentials. Imran Khan did not show any credentials.

He is a self-righteous, one dimensional narcissist who suffers from delusion of grandeur and is still stuck in the 1992 World Cup mindset.

He has no practical ideas or a workable mandate that can be implemented. That is why the end result is that his party/government is a chaotic, disjointed mess with no coordination.

Imran’s politics is based on airing dirty laundry, making castles in the air and using buzzwords like tabdeeli, Naya Pakistan, Madina Riyasat, Tiger force etc.

 

[the eslah]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] correct, IK is good in Speeches only not practically...we have to come out of words world. IK didnt did only 5% of what he said in his pre-electoral campaign.

 

[Abdullah719]

Not denying people flout norms but is that all there is to it?

Did Imran do all he needs to do?

Cos going by how Imran handled it in March, it was evident he would screw up.

My view is that the handling from the govt. was mostly OK until around the second week of May. Until then, they had taken all of the basic common-sense measures. Sure, there was never really any proper lockdown in place except for maybe a couple of weeks, but people were staying at home mostly unless necessary.

The problems mainly started during the middle of Ramadan when everything was basically allowed to open. People forgot all about the pandemic and were focused on shopping for Eid. Looking at the way cases started spiking around the start of June, I'm guessing that is what led to much of the spread. The reason given for opening up everything at the time was that a lot of people rely on business during this time to sustain themselves. But for the greater good of the country, this should have been avoided. People had no interest in adhering to any SOPs. It was a costly decision.

Once the rate of spread among the general populace increased a lot then it basically got out of control. Now, there's little that can be done besides locking down areas where the number of cases are high (many parts of Lahore are under lockdown now) and ramping up testing (which is not happening fast enough). The damage is already done.

 

[the eslah]

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] thats what am saying, we priortized shopping over Corona, amusement over health, BBQ over safety but they dont know these are minor thing we can acheive whenever we are Alive.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] correct, IK is good in Speeches only not practically...we have to come out of words world. IK didnt did only 5% of what he said in his pre-electoral campaign.

His claims were not realistic but his supporters were too dumb to understand.

He did not have a practical and realistic mandate. These were his claims:

- I will convert PM House, CM House etc. into universities and libraries

- I will establish Madinah Riyasat in Pakistan

- I will bring back billions of looted wealth within weeks

- I will put every corrupt person in jail

- I will make Pakistan so prosperous that people from the west will come here for jobs

- I will consolidate my cabinet and have very few ministries to increase accountability

- there will be no corruption at any level

And etc. etc. etc.

None of the above was remotely realistic. He effectively scammed the nation to win votes.

 

[Rana]

New Zealand are locked in until there is a vaccine.

 

[the eslah]

We're being judged by our peers. America could have done so much better, we were ranked as best prepared for a pandemic by WHO I believe, we faltered because of Trump not cause of money problems. America gave each citizen $1200 in stimulus check (the whole bill was over $2 trillion!) and unemployed people are getting $800/week since March due to the economic crisis. We can afford all this because we're a rich country.

Pro athletes can be involved in politics provided that they exhibit the credentials. Imran Khan did not show any credentials.

He is a self-righteous, one dimensional narcissist who suffers from delusion of grandeur and is still stuck in the 1992 World Cup mindset.

He has no practical ideas or a workable mandate that can be implemented. That is why the end result is that his party/government is a chaotic, disjointed mess with no coordination.

Imran’s politics is based on airing dirty laundry, making castles in the air and using buzzwords like tabdeeli, Naya Pakistan, Madina Riyasat, Tiger force etc.

My view is that the handling from the govt. was mostly OK until around the second week of May. Until then, they had taken all of the basic common-sense measures. Sure, there was never really any proper lockdown in place except for maybe a couple of weeks, but people were staying at home mostly unless necessary.

The problems mainly started during the middle of Ramadan when everything was basically allowed to open. People forgot all about the pandemic and were focused on shopping for Eid. Looking at the way cases started spiking around the start of June, I'm guessing that is what led to much of the spread. The reason given for opening up everything at the time was that a lot of people rely on business during this time to sustain themselves. But for the greater good of the country, this should have been avoided. People had no interest in adhering to any SOPs. It was a costly decision.

Once the rate of spread among the general populace increased a lot then it basically got out of control. Now, there's little that can be done besides locking down areas where the number of cases are high (many parts of Lahore are under lockdown now) and ramping up testing (which is not happening fast enough). The damage is already done.

His claims were not realistic but his supporters were too dumb to understand.

He did not have a practical and realistic mandate. These were his claims:

- I will convert PM House, CM House etc. into universities and libraries

- I will establish Madinah Riyasat in Pakistan

- I will bring back billions of looted wealth within weeks

- I will put every corrupt person in jail

- I will make Pakistan so prosperous that people from the west will come here for jobs

- I will consolidate my cabinet and have very few ministries to increase accountability

- there will be no corruption at any level

And etc. etc. etc.

None of the above was remotely realistic. He effectively scammed the nation to win votes.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] your every word is golden one, well said imran didnt did anything and nor will.
He promised to put corrupt mafia i.e. Bhuttos,sharif in jail and they are roaming in London.
-Womens are raped and citizens are bullied in Riyasat-e-madina...
-even our peoples are going to west for finding jobs...
And BTW Where is IK so called Digital pakistan?

 

[the eslah]

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] Yes, but Atleast there is some satisfaction for its people that they are corona free.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] your every word is golden one, well said imran didnt did anything and nor will.
He promised to put corrupt mafia i.e. Bhuttos,sharif in jail and they are roaming in London.
-Womens are raped and citizens are bullied in Riyasat-e-madina...
-even our peoples are going to west for finding jobs...
And BTW Where is IK so called Digital pakistan?

No one knows. This Digital Pakistan is just another drama like the Corona Tiger force. No one has seen any Tiger in action.

COVID is spreading like fire. What is the Tiger force accomplishing?

 

[ahmedzee]

In other words, Immy bhai is faultless?

lol.

Not just Immy bhai, some other leaders are also faultless. I can even give an example of Canada as well, specially Ontario. Govt has implement a lockdown and Toronto and surrounding area still hasnt reopened yet. But yesterday, there were around 20,000 by the beach. Similar a month ago around 15K flocked to a local park. No social distancing and mass gathering while govt has implement a lockdown.

Coming to Pakistan, Pir Aziziur Rehman Hazravi funeral drew around 100K, no social distancing or anytihng.

In Florida, around 100K flocked to the beach, no social distancing.

Say what you like, I honestly don't blame all these govts for this at all, they have their SOPs and procedures in place, people are the one not understanding it.

 

[ahmedzee]

No one knows. This Digital Pakistan is just another drama like the Corona Tiger force. No one has seen any Tiger in action.

COVID is spreading like fire. What is the Tiger force accomplishing?

Mamoon, ever wonder that you are the biggest drama though, more than anything else you claim to be a drama (such as tiger force, digital Pakistan).

 

[the eslah]

Yes, we have given enough time of 2years to PTI. But no more IK should start acting practically and stop word yorkers.

 

[the eslah]

Not just Immy bhai, some other leaders are also faultless. I can even give an example of Canada as well, specially Ontario. Govt has implement a lockdown and Toronto and surrounding area still hasnt reopened yet. But yesterday, there were around 20,000 by the beach. Similar a month ago around 15K flocked to a local park. No social distancing and mass gathering while govt has implement a lockdown.

Coming to Pakistan, Pir Aziziur Rehman Hazravi funeral drew around 100K, no social distancing or anytihng.

In Florida, around 100K flocked to the beach, no social distancing.

Say what you like, I honestly don't blame all these govts for this at all, they have their SOPs and procedures in place, people are the one not understanding it.

[MENTION=1556]Ahmad[/MENTION]zee [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] thats what i am saying. Disciple and manners is the matter not population.if everyman stay at home,follow all precautionary steps and avoid gathering then who care what your popultaion is...
Remember your city population is dense not home.

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon, ever wonder that you are the biggest drama though, more than anything else you claim to be a drama (such as tiger force, digital Pakistan).

I might be the biggest drama but my dramaybaazi does not effect anyone.

Imran’s dramaybaazi is damaging the country.

 

[the eslah]

I might be the biggest drama but my dramaybaazi does not effect anyone.

Imran’s dramaybaazi is damaging the country.

yes, Our errors and mistakes are limited to us but IK's silly mistake and lack of proper decision can damage the whole country.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Not just Immy bhai, some other leaders are also faultless. I can even give an example of Canada as well, specially Ontario. Govt has implement a lockdown and Toronto and surrounding area still hasnt reopened yet. But yesterday, there were around 20,000 by the beach. Similar a month ago around 15K flocked to a local park. No social distancing and mass gathering while govt has implement a lockdown.

Coming to Pakistan, Pir Aziziur Rehman Hazravi funeral drew around 100K, no social distancing or anytihng.

In Florida, around 100K flocked to the beach, no social distancing.

Say what you like, I honestly don't blame all these govts for this at all, they have their SOPs and procedures in place, people are the one not understanding it.

By the same token, Modi is faultless for India's situation?

It's just ill-luck.

And those countries that actually controlled it got lucky cos their people followed the rules?

 

[ahmedzee]

By the same token, Modi is faultless for India's situation?

It's just ill-luck.

And those countries that actually controlled it got lucky cos their people followed the rules?

People following the key indeed. If people don’t follow the rules then things can’t improve. With that in mind I have to say that Modi shouldn’t have implemented the lockdown he did. They should’ve taken the smart lockdown approach, let poor people work. If people don’t die off Covid they would die off hunger for sure, if they’re not earning.