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What happened to the pilot of 2nd Indian fighter plane shot down?

Could be a great 'Bajrangi Bhaijan' type movie angle in Bollywood for the second pilot. Really is a mystery what happened to him, the conspiracy theories are endless!
 
Rana said:
Could be a great 'Bajrangi Bhaijan' type movie angle in Bollywood for the second pilot. Really is a mystery what happened to him, the conspiracy theories are endless!
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Based on several versions, it's an Indian pilot, it's a Pakistani pilot or it's an Israeli pilot. Bunch of bullcrap. At the end of the day, everybody disowned that poor guy whoever he was. Fallen plane or pilot is not a matter of national pride. Americans even made a movie out of it in black hawk down that was downed by a bunch of Somali rag pickers. Anything that's in the air is vulnerable to attacks from the ground. People should man up and honor that man.
 
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Not a Indian, Pakistani or Israeli pilot. He was actually a Russian pilot who was demonstrating the capabilities of the jet and now he is lost.
 
There were reports that the Budgam crash was also done by Pakistani jets and they were at a distance of only 7 km from Srinagar Airport when they turned back. Pakistan obviously cannot claim this kill due to diplomatic reasons because this will be considered a masive airspace violation to come in so much.
 
rhony said:
Based on several versions, it's an Indian pilot, it's a Pakistani pilot or it's an Israeli pilot. Bunch of bull****. At the end of the day, everybody disowned that poor guy whoever he was. Fallen plane or pilot is not a matter of national pride. Americans even made a movie out of it in black hawk down that was downed by a bunch of Somali rag pickers. Anything that's in the air is vulnerable to attacks from the ground. People should man up and honor that man.
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you could go with...there's no pilot.
Only one side has been caught lying consistently in the fiasco.
- we were in pakistani airspace for 21 minutes (day 1) and shot up a camp and killed 300
- you are anti-armed forces for questioning it (day 1 to now)
- we actually shot what we wanted, and premature to talk numbers (day 2)
- actually we have 2000lb bombs that dont destroy structures but kill everything inside them (day3)
- er...one more thing, we didnt really go inside pakistan airspace, we shot them from our side of the border with spice missiles (day 4)
- i forgot to add on day 3 modiji: "if i had the planes (that my govt was bribed for) the result would have been different.
- oh, our capture pilot shot up the plane...
- lots of stories about pakistani's supposedly lying their own pilot

Contrast that with our folks
- we made a claim we shot planes and potentially have two pilots
- we took back the claim the same day.

one side has been lying for a week now while the other made an error and admitted the same day.


So i understand you want to blv this fantasy because it helps you sleep better because you think some score was settled - one Paksitani plane and one Indian plane. Except nothing like that happened because there is zero (yes zero proof of it)
 
Madplayer said:
There were reports that the Budgam crash was also done by Pakistani jets and they were at a distance of only 7 km from Srinagar Airport when they turned back. Pakistan obviously cannot claim this kill due to diplomatic reasons because this will be considered a masive airspace violation to come in so much.
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Oh my god! Really?
 
Pete Rose said:
you could go with...there's no pilot.
Only one side has been caught lying consistently in the fiasco.
- we were in pakistani airspace for 21 minutes (day 1) and shot up a camp and killed 300
- you are anti-armed forces for questioning it (day 1 to now)
- we actually shot what we wanted, and premature to talk numbers (day 2)
- actually we have 2000lb bombs that dont destroy structures but kill everything inside them (day3)
- er...one more thing, we didnt really go inside pakistan airspace, we shot them from our side of the border with spice missiles (day 4)
- i forgot to add on day 3 modiji: "if i had the planes (that my govt was bribed for) the result would have been different.
- oh, our capture pilot shot up the plane...
- lots of stories about pakistani's supposedly lying their own pilot

Contrast that with our folks
- we made a claim we shot planes and potentially have two pilots
- we took back the claim the same day.

one side has been lying for a week now while the other made an error and admitted the same day.


So i understand you want to blv this fantasy because it helps you sleep better because you think some score was settled - one Paksitani plane and one Indian plane. Except nothing like that happened because there is zero (yes zero proof of it)
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Yes there is zero proof except for India encroaching Pak airspace and bombed something , 1 Indian jet crashed by PAF and 1 POW. Rest of it is hogwash. The F16 story by India, the 2nd pilot statement by Imran of all people, the 300 terrorists killed, the SU 30 crashed are all speculations with stories changed by the day. It's just a couple of third world countries trying for one-upmanship. The way I see it, Pakistan should have shot down at least one Indian jet when they entered the first night. Because of inefficiency, they couldnt. India should have expected Pakistan to retaliate and should have been ready the next day. Instead they lost a jet and a pilot. Basically, it's two nincompoop Airforces that can't get their basics right of defending themselves in case of an air incursion. At the end of the day when the bragging rights were in question, they all concocted stories, more on the Indian side and slept peacefully at night patting themselves on the back.
 
Madplayer said:
Thats what i heard. And lets be honest, what are the odds that it fell all by itself on the same day when PAF came inside the Indian controlled territory?
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I know and your neighbor heard it from his cousin who heard it from an expert whose day job is accounting and moonlights as a defence expert on YouTube. After all those death machines in India haven't crashed by themselves killing q bunch of pilots in the past years.
 
rhony said:
Yes there is zero proof except for India encroaching Pak airspace and bombed something , 1 Indian jet crashed by PAF and 1 POW. Rest of it is hogwash. The F16 story by India, the 2nd pilot statement by Imran of all people, the 300 terrorists killed, the SU 30 crashed are all speculations with stories changed by the day. It's just a couple of third world countries trying for one-upmanship. The way I see it, Pakistan should have shot down at least one Indian jet when they entered the first night. Because of inefficiency, they couldnt. India should have expected Pakistan to retaliate and should have been ready the next day. Instead they lost a jet and a pilot. Basically, it's two nincompoop Airforces that can't get their basics right of defending themselves in case of an air incursion. At the end of the day when the bragging rights were in question, they all concocted stories, more on the Indian side and slept peacefully at night patting themselves on the back.
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The larger agenda here (beyond of course Pakistan addressing the stuff at its end) is that arms deal ride on these narratives. Of course Pakistan would like to claim it use on the Jf17. Of course US would like to say an F16 was involved. And of course India/Russia/France would like to claim that one of their planes was either part of the Balakot raid or the defense from Pakistan intrusion.
But, because there are some long and short term interests at play for all these countries, none of them want to confirm or deny more than whats obvious
 
Pete Rose said:
The larger agenda here (beyond of course Pakistan addressing the stuff at its end) is that arms deal ride on these narratives. Of course Pakistan would like to claim it use on the Jf17. Of course US would like to say an F16 was involved. And of course India/Russia/France would like to claim that one of their planes was either part of the Balakot raid or the defense from Pakistan intrusion.
But, because there are some long and short term interests at play for all these countries, none of them want to confirm or deny more than whats obvious
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And nobody will. These intelligence agencies in the west can spot a mosquito from their satellites and yet are leaving everything for speculation. Because anything they reveal will embarrass their potential clients.
 
The second pilot most probably died at the army hospital and neither the Pakistanis, nor the Indians wanted to admit it, for obvious reasons. The family could have easily been silenced and the media cannot know what happens inside an army hospital.
 
Saw Pakistan's F16 going down: Abhinandan Varthaman during debriefing
Sources said that in his detailed debriefing Varthaman corroborated that he got a lock onto the Pakistani jet.

By Manu Pubby, ET Bureau|


Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, the pilot who let off an R73 missile from his MiG21 fighter jet in an aerial combat over Nowshera last week, has said in his debriefing that he saw a Pakistan Air Force F16 going down on the other side of the border.

Varthaman has shared details of the dogfight between Indian and Pakistani jets when F16 fighters fired multiple long-range missiles.

Pakistan released Varthaman last Friday after he was captured in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK ..

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
 
Rana said:
A video of this man was circulating on social media at the time but I think he is someone who escaped an internal plane crash a few weeks before the skirmishes between the two countries. This is an unrelated incident.
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What about this one. In the actual un-censored Video, the voices sound very Kashmiri.
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Strike! said:
https://youtu.be/t0-WHlDyhV0
Watch this video at one minute in, he says the second pilot died.
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That helps mind you, thanks for sharing. However, I wonder what happened with his dead body - as to whether it was returned to India or not, and also what his family is saying on this from across the border. The Indian side is totally silent on this.
 
Now that the DGISPR has said on record that the second pilot died, it is even more mysterious why they are not releasing more information about him. It could be said that India may have some incentive to cover it up but why would Pakistan cover it up?
 
Jin Chacha said:
Now that the DGISPR has said on record that the second pilot died, it is even more mysterious why they are not releasing more information about him. It could be said that India may have some incentive to cover it up but why would Pakistan cover it up?
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It's obvious, they don't want to raise tensions further.
 
Strike! said:
It's obvious, they don't want to raise tensions further.
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Maybe. But unless it is part of some bigger back channel deal mediated by third parties, I don't see why Pakistan would unilaterally concede the leverage this affords them. It is also a bit strange that the DGISPR even mentioned the death of the pilot when he wasn't even asked about it.
 
Jin Chacha said:
Now that the DGISPR has said on record that the second pilot died, it is even more mysterious why they are not releasing more information about him. It could be said that India may have some incentive to cover it up but why would Pakistan cover it up?
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Best explanation is that he wasn't Indian. Have heard this version multiple times.

Or he is/was double agent ?
 
last_knight said:
Best explanation is that he wasn't Indian. Have heard this version multiple times.

Or he is/was double agent ?
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Some conspiracy going around that he was Israeli... it is a big rumour atm.



I don't think he was Israeli, he was Indian and Pak are playing it well. India will have to officially request his body and thereby confirm Pak's story that there was a second plane shot down.
 
Madplayer said:
So you are accepting that Pakistan's fighter jet was downed by India and the Pakistani pilot had to eject only to be caught by locals and beaten to death?
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LOL! Why isn't this possible? All of you are talking as if you have fool proof evidence of what actually transpired. And why would Pak citizens beating up a Pak pilot (mistaking him for a Indian pilot) be a hilarious fiction? North Indians and Pakistanis look remarkably similar after all.

Pak's DG ISPR (or whatever) said they had downed two Indian flights & captured 2 pilots of which one is in hospital. Then they changed the story to "Oh we have only one pilot in captivity".

Consider these:

1) Now based on the stories that you guys are circulating, one of the Indian flights was downed in PoK and the other in IoK? So the MIG-21 Bison downed in PoK accounts for Abhinandan. How did the other Indian pilot whose flight was downed in IoK magically teleport himself & fall in PoK ?

2) India OTOH, said they had downed a F-16 which fell on the Pak side (PoK). Their claim is that a Sukhoi was at the tail of F-16 and MiG was in the front and Sukhoi chased the F-16 back into Pakistan, which the MiG followed into Pak's LoC and shot and before the MiG itself was downed by some artillery or SAM. The fact that Abhinandan fell in PoK and was captured alive is consistent with this story. Also it is consistent with the theory that the F-16 was downed and its (Pak) pilot fell on the Pak side who was unfortunately mistaken by the locals and beaten up and got sent to the hospital. DG ISPR communicated this incorrectly in their half baked version of the same.

3) Pak upon recognizing the identity of the Pak pilot buried the story and never ever mentioned about the 2nd pilot again. Also burying this story was kinda convenient, as it will be impossible to deny that their F-16 was shot which would constitute both an embarrassment (as a MiG 21 shooting a F-16 is like Maruti suzuki out performing a Ferrari) and a political risk, as Pak would have to face US's wrath on a possible misuse of F-16

Also, doesnt Pakistan air force uniform have a Pakistani flag on the arm? How can people mistake him for an Indian? And locals didnt talk to the pilot before killing him? How did locals even know that Indian airforce was coming and that there was a possibility of Indian pilot being on their land? First look at any soldier will clearly make the locals think that he must be a Pakistani soldier. The Indian story doesnt make sense.

What makes more sense is that either the second Indian pilot is still in Pakistan's custody or he died and this news was brushed under the carpet to de-escalate the situation. Remember India first said they didnt even lose 1 pilot. Only after Abhinandan's video was released did they accept that 1 was missing. Pakistan didnt release the video of another fighter and hence India didnt claim that they had lost another one.
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LOL! You are asking naive questions. In times of war you'd look at a badge in someone's uniform & figure out the nationality of the individual?

And India acked they lost a plane and a pilot as soon as they came to know.
 
Strike! said:
It's obvious, they don't want to raise tensions further.
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Yeah, its obvious. You believe what you believe. If you pretend that one pov is obvious and the other one is not, you are simply being biased, naive or hypocritical or all of it.
 
Pete Rose said:
The larger agenda here (beyond of course Pakistan addressing the stuff at its end) is that arms deal ride on these narratives. Of course Pakistan would like to claim it use on the Jf17. Of course US would like to say an F16 was involved. And of course India/Russia/France would like to claim that one of their planes was either part of the Balakot raid or the defense from Pakistan intrusion.
But, because there are some long and short term interests at play for all these countries, none of them want to confirm or deny more than whats obvious
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AMRAAM fired from JF-17 is absurd. Why would Raytheon make a missile & share its codes with the Chinese govt to enable its missile from a Chinese plane. I dont know why the Pak govt is peddling this theory.

Pak's defense is to simply ack that it employed F-16 in self-defense. Why would US "like" Pak to use F-16? They either dont care if Pak used it per the spirit of the agreement or they are not sure that Pak violated the agreement.Either ways, there is no reason US would have liked Pak to use F-16
 
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Lol at Indians.

No matter how many times you repeat it, a lie will not become true.

300 militants killed and an F-16 shot down?

Never happened.

Check the International media reaction to this skirmish.

You have been humiliated.
 
So if Indians still have doubts regarding the use of AMRAAM in JF 17 then the best way is to send some jets with like Abhinandan again, PAF will show how they use AMRAAM in JF 17.
 
cricjunkie2 said:
Yeah, its obvious. You believe what you believe. If you pretend that one pov is obvious and the other one is not, you are simply being biased, naive or hypocritical or all of it.
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The irony.

You believe that 300-350 militants died in Balakot.

You believe that shazaz ud din (must be illegitimate) son of waseem ud din died.

Yet you’ve got the nerve to accuse other people of being naive/hypocritical.
 
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AMRAAM fired from JF-17 is absurd. Why would Raytheon make a missile & share its codes with the Chinese govt to enable its missile from a Chinese plane. I dont know why the Pak govt is peddling this theory.

Pak's defense is to simply ack that it employed F-16 in self-defense. Why would US "like" Pak to use F-16? They either dont care if Pak used it per the spirit of the agreement or they are not sure that Pak violated the agreement.Either ways, there is no reason US would have liked Pak to use F-16
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Three things
The araam stuff is being peddled by a side that has been caught lying continuously from the first day of this crisis
There is no ambiguity on the terms of the f16, it’s bee clear enough from the data that is easily available to verify.
As for why the US would or wouldn’t care is all about bragging rights: using an f16 to bring down and su30 is good for the arms sales
 
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First off, AMRAAM is beyond visual range missile which is launched at ranges in excess of 50 km, if as Indians claim the F16 was shot down by a Mig21 using R73 missile, which is within visual range missile, then f16 would have used its close range sidewinders to shoot down the Mig, not the AMRAAM.
 
If AMRAAM was used then it was a beyond visual range engagement and Mig 21s R73 would have been seriously out of range.
 
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Conspiracy theory going around that second pilot is an Israeli.

A name is also coming out ( of the Israeli pilot) and it is being said that he hasnt updated his twitter since 26th feb. I have not looked into this personally so i cant really comment even though i wont push it aside as rubbish.
 
Madplayer said:
Conspiracy theory going around that second pilot is an Israeli.

A name is also coming out ( of the Israeli pilot) and it is being said that he hasnt updated his twitter since 26th feb. I have not looked into this personally so i cant really comment even though i wont push it aside as rubbish.
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There is a youtube video of former diplomat Zafar Hilali saying it clearly on TV that the second pilot is Israeli. I initially thought this was a wild conspiracy theory and still have my doubts but there is certainly something fishy here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ_Xudj1tPs
 
Madplayer said:
Conspiracy theory going around that second pilot is an Israeli.

A name is also coming out ( of the Israeli pilot) and it is being said that he hasnt updated his twitter since 26th feb. I have not looked into this personally so i cant really comment even though i wont push it aside as rubbish.
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This is stupid on a whole new level. IAF is not letting another country's Air Force pilot operate an IAF' jet. Better to ignore this lol. We got plenty of pilot lives to experiment, why risk by bringing an outsider ? lol
 
Madplayer said:
Conspiracy theory going around that second pilot is an Israeli.

A name is also coming out ( of the Israeli pilot) and it is being said that he hasnt updated his twitter since 26th feb. I have not looked into this personally so i cant really comment even though i wont push it aside as rubbish.
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Can happen. Maybe Israelis wanted revenge for 1974 :mv
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
I heard that the second pilot is in custody of Pakistan.
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Probably and he maybe is an israeli as I went back and saw the press conference of ispr he did state 2 pilots but after that the 2nd pilot has not been mentioned. Though it could be that an indian pilot died and Bjp asked us not to mention if we want the situation to cool down. As it probably would hurt Modi if opposition parties say that he got an Indian pilot killed.
 
Pakpak said:
I highly doubt it unless we will release the information soon to damage Modi's election chances. Which would be a masterstroke
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Why would want to ruin Modi's chances? Modi's election is exactly what Pakistan should want. And i am sure thats what your agencies are working for.
 
Madplayer said:
Why would want to ruin Modi's chances? Modi's election is exactly what Pakistan should want. And i am sure thats what your agencies are working for.
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Not really. Modi wants war. Our economy is on its knees as it is. We barely have any dollars in reserves. We can't afford a war, we would be out of cash very soon.
 
Pakpak said:
Not really. Modi wants war. Our economy is on its knees as it is. We barely have any dollars in reserves. We can't afford a war, we would be out of cash very soon.
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Modi doesnt want war. Yes he is taking massive risks on the border for his domestic aspirations this time. But its all an election gimmick. It will pass once he wins. Pakistan for him is a card.
 
Madplayer said:
Modi doesnt want war. Yes he is taking massive risks on the border for his domestic aspirations this time. But its all an election gimmick. It will pass once he wins. Pakistan for him is a card.
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And the next time he has to relieve pressure he will go beyond 'strikes'. The only reason we don't have a war is because we show restraint. Had we even sunk their submarine there'd been war.
 
Pakpak said:
And the next time he has to relieve pressure he will go beyond 'strikes'. The only reason we don't have a war is because we show restraint. Had we even sunk their submarine there'd been war.
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You really think the international community would let two nuclear powers go to war? There would be mediation straight away when it starts getting scary for the rest of the world.
 
Madplayer said:
You really think the international community would let two nuclear powers go to war? There would be mediation straight away when it starts getting scary for the rest of the world.
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I don't know where you have been but the international community has done nothing and stayed quiet. Only reason there hasn't been a war is restraint on our part. Otherwise it's now known pretty much Indians were going to attack using missiles till we assured them and other nations of retaliation.
 
Pakpak said:
I don't know where you have been but the international community has done nothing and stayed quiet. Only reason there hasn't been a war is restraint on our part. Otherwise it's now known pretty much Indians were going to attack using missiles till we assured them and other nations of retaliation.
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International community would have intervened if it got serious (open declaration of war etc.). Infact nations like Iran, Russia, Canada, China and Turkey openly said they would like to mediate for peace between India and Pakistan.

Having said that, you never know how things would pan out in real. Lets just agree to disagree in this case.
 
Madplayer said:
International community would have intervened if it got serious (open declaration of war etc.). Infact nations like Iran, Russia, Canada, China and Turkey openly said they would like to mediate for peace between India and Pakistan.

Having said that, you never know how things would pan out in real. Lets just agree to disagree in this case.
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Imran Khan has said numerous times we want peace and we need someone to talk with. Modi isn't that. Our airspace is still closed and constant nonsense like this will only damage us. Our forces are mobilised, it's not free. It costs massive amount of money to move an army this size and keep it running, we aren't exactly rich. I don't know what world you're in.

Right now any kind of conflict is the last thing we want. We have massive problems with our economy. This entire episode has been a hindrance to everything IK has been trying to do. This kind of nonsense under Modi again and again will happen. There was no need for an official declaration of war. It'd be *** for tat.

And yeah let's agree to disagree.
 
This is gonna sound like some mad conspiracy but I've heard this from a few people.
The 2nd pilot is Israeli and is in Pakistan. Yep you heard it. Israel got involved in attacking Pakistan. This is why India is so silent on it. If it were an Indian pilot they would be going crazy. It's already proven that Israel had something to do with this mini war.
Idk if he's dead but maybe he's just captured or in hospital. I'm intrigued to know what exactly has happened with this second pilot cos clearly 2 planes were shot down.
 
Minnowbasher said:
This is gonna sound like some mad conspiracy but I've heard this from a few people.
The 2nd pilot is Israeli and is in Pakistan. Yep you heard it. Israel got involved in attacking Pakistan. This is why India is so silent on it. If it were an Indian pilot they would be going crazy. It's already proven that Israel had something to do with this mini war.
Idk if he's dead but maybe he's just captured or in hospital. I'm intrigued to know what exactly has happened with this second pilot cos clearly 2 planes were shot down.
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Proven by whom? Other than Israel selling India weapons, just like China sells us weapons its been proven by noone.

Read the following post, I can't be bothered disproving this conspiracy everytime.

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It's very obvious what happened if you remember the series of events and how they were announced by the two air forces.

1) PAF initially said that one pilot was captured and the other was in hiding in Kashmir. India stated that all their pilots were accounted for.

We know know that the pilot in hiding was Abhinandad who was being beaten up by Pakistani villagers before being captured.

2) The PAF then announced that two pilots were captured and one was receiving treatment at an army hospital. India made no comments for the longest time until the PAF provided video evidence of Abhinandan.

We could all notice the loss of face that India suffered as a result of this capture and the nation-wide trolling that the Pakistanis became obsessed with.

3) The PAF announced that they currently only have one pilot in custody and that he is being treated well. The IAF starts throwing out a bunch of statements such as a downed F-16 and praises Abhinandan but made no statement about the alleged capture of the second pilot.

The Indian media runs with the downed F-16 to try and restore some national pride, even reporting on video game footage.

4) Pakistan releases the pilot as an act of goodwill, gaining renown at the international arena, India calls it a victory because Pakistan only held the pilot for a couple of days and the war hysteria dies down, with both nations mostly satisfied but Pakistan emerging as the clear victor in the eyes of neutrals.

The most likely scenario is that the second pilot was definitely from the IAF but died while under the operating table at the army hospital. The fact that the PAF immediately said that two IAF pilots were captured and that the IAF initially said that no pilots were missing makes me believe that India were going to try and disown both the pilots. That is why they expressed such disgust when Abhinandan was shown sipping tea and complimenting his captors.

However, Pakistan were unable to provide video evidence of the second pilot because he died and therefore, allowed the IAF to disown him and sweep him under the rug. The F-16 story was enough to pacify the nation and they did not need to accuse Pakistan of killing one of its pilots while he was under arrest because that would only lose them more face.

Pakistan also did not have much to gain by blowing the trumpet of capturing two pilots, instead of just one. That would only increase hostilities and both the army and Imran know that would be bad news. The fact that the Indian claims of killing terrorists, downing a jet and doing pretty much anything of note during this skirmish, being brutally exposed by independent experts and verifiers just made the dead IAF pilot even more redundant.

He was the only who was captured first and probably had no interaction with any civilians so it was quite easy to hide both the capture and the operation. On the other side of the border, I'm sure the family was handsomly compensated and told not to look into the cause of death too much. The fact that around four to six IAF servicemen died in Indian territory during the course of these skirmishes in allegedly unrelated events, made the coverup that much easier.

The PM and the army wouldn't have said that there were two pilots and only shown video evidence of one, unless something unexpected, like death, spoiled their plans. Had the pilot been alive, he would have certainly been on video too and the IAF would have acknowledged him, just like they acknowledged Abhinandan. Pakistan have no reason to lie about a second pilot, given all that happened.
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i posted this in the other thread but seriously pakistanis are now acting just like indians have with silly claims and foolish theories.

PetroDollars said:
israelis have no experience using russian tech, rubbish news, but even though mullahs love to bring israel into everything, this may have been an ISI propaganda, to expose indias relationship with israel as some muslim countries especially iran were getting to comfortable with india.
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As for indias dead or captured, india has a whole history of not claiming or honering them, they love disowning there own, even abhi was disowned till videos were captured by the locals.
 
gazza619 said:
Not sure if this news is reliable. Sounds more like fiction.
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It is fiction. I doubt we have the second pilot. DG ISPR said the second plane went in IOK so unless the pilot teleported himself to our airspace we don't have him. The only way we know we have him is if your army confirms we do and go back on everything they have said.
 
[MENTION=77086]cric_man[/MENTION]

Sorry bhai. Been too busy with work. May not be active in forums for a while.

You asked me reg names of pilots killed in Budgam.

I have the name of 3 pilots (from what I checked a couple of weeks back).

Budgam Crash

6 IAF Personnel and 1 civilian died. Rest I dunno.

Sergeant Vikrant Sehrawat
Squadron leader Siddharth Vashisht
Pilot Ninad Mandavgane

Civilian - Kifayat Hussain Ganai

https://scroll.in/latest/914763/jam...rcraft-crashes-in-budgam-district-say-reports

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

https://www.thequint.com/news/india...ry-probing-all-angles-including-friendly-fire
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
[MENTION=77086]cric_man[/MENTION]

Sorry bhai. Been too busy with work. May not be active in forums for a while.

You asked me reg names of pilots killed in Budgam.

I have the name of 3 pilots (from what I checked a couple of weeks back).

Budgam Crash

6 IAF Personnel and 1 civilian died. Rest I dunno.

Sergeant Vikrant Sehrawat
Squadron leader Siddharth Vashisht
Pilot Ninad Mandavgane

Civilian - Kifayat Hussain Ganai

https://scroll.in/latest/914763/jam...rcraft-crashes-in-budgam-district-say-reports

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

https://www.thequint.com/news/india...ry-probing-all-angles-including-friendly-fire
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thx much for looking into it. no names for other 3 IAF personnel?
 
rockyboy2018 said:
If you listen to Imran KHan speech, he said we had pilots with us. Clearly more than one.
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the poor man was/is being fed lies by the DGISPR (subcontinent version of 'Baghdad Bob'), the locals in Kashmir who caught the pilot mentioned shooting one - the indian pilot didnt have a bullet wound.

PA information warfare is almost at a legendary level of disinformation. But they messed up after exhibiting all the missile parts they recovered from the Mig's wreckage - one of the missiles had clearly struck something and this has been dissected in other American defence forums by ex fighter pilots who actually know what they are talking about.

Embarrassing that a 1960s plane (with upgraded avionics) downed a nimble modern F-16 in a dogfight lol.

You lot are delusional to think Pakistan wouldn't be exhibiting the dead body of the Indian pilot to all media if they had one, considering the interview-circus they performed with the captured one.
 
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