What has happened to the Sikh support for the Indian cricket team?

[Bewal Express]

Every time Ind toured Eng, the Sikh support for the Ind team was very visible and vocal, on this tour i have seen a few Sikhs but in comparison to previous tours, its very small. Is this because of the farmers protests?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Have you got sight issues ?. The camera pans to a turban whether the cricket's on or not and every shot had a quite a few?.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sikhs seem to be suffering something of an identity crisis in the UK since the first generation landed. They had a reputation as a fierce warrior race, but got beaten badly on their home turf when Indian army invaded the Golden Temple, and we have barely heard from them since. We keep hearing from hardcore hindutvas how Sikh empires challenged Afghans, but today we see that Afghans proved their reputation by facing down several superpowers despite a massive deficit in military hardware, yet Sikhs couldn't even defend their holiest site.

In short, I think Sikh faith is not what it was back in the days you are talking about. They are now just seen as an extension of hindu religion, and that is the only way they are allowed entry into India itself, even as refugees from external wars in Afghanistan, or refugees from Pakistan.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Sikhs seem to be suffering something of an identity crisis in the UK since the first generation landed. They had a reputation as a fierce warrior race, but got beaten badly on their home turf when Indian army invaded the Golden Temple, and we have barely heard from them since. We keep hearing from hardcore hindutvas how Sikh empires challenged Afghans, but today we see that Afghans proved their reputation by facing down several superpowers despite a massive deficit in military hardware, yet Sikhs couldn't even defend their holiest site.

In short, I think Sikh faith is not what it was back in the days you are talking about. They are now just seen as an extension of hindu religion, and that is the only way they are allowed entry into India itself, even as refugees from external wars in Afghanistan, or refugees from Pakistan.

Do you live in the real world?. By God. They've built statues and got a direct link to Pakistan but have no power. Also, they occupied Peshawar

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Do you live in the real world?. By God. They've built statues and got a direct link to Pakistan but have no power. Also, they occupied Peshawar

So their power is based on statues and having direct links to Pakistan?

 

[PakLFC]

When have Sikh's occupied Peshawar?? I do see Sikh's in the crowd supporting India. Original poster needs his eyes tested.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

When have Sikh's occupied Peshawar?? I do see Sikh's in the crowd supporting India. Original poster needs his eyes tested.

https://historyofpashtuns.blogspot.com/2019/12/paolo-avitabile-face-of-brutal-sikh.html

 

[IAJ]

How many sikh players are there in the indian team now? For an outsider like me I first and foremost think about sikhs when I hear about persons with surnames like Singh or Kaur (ladies).

 

[Bewal Express]

When have Sikh's occupied Peshawar?? I do see Sikh's in the crowd supporting India. Original poster needs his eyes tested.

In comparison to previous tours it hardly registers.

 

[Bewal Express]

How many sikh players are there in the indian team now? For an outsider like me I first and foremost think about sikhs when I hear about persons with surnames like Singh or Kaur (ladies).

Bumrah is the only one.

 

[Bewal Express]

Have you got sight issues ?. The camera pans to a turban whether the cricket's on or not and every shot had a quite a few?.

I was comparing it to previous tours. I didnt say there wasnt any but that enthusiasm and numbers has gone. Why is that?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Bumrah is the only one.

Gill

 

[Local.Dada]

As an Indian obsessed with Pakistan I am proud that I have been outdone here by a rival and accept defeat.

I mean keeping tabs and tracking the behavior of a particular demographic on how they are responding to the traveling Indian cricket team and that too for a long enough time to come up with a definitive conclusion. This deserves respect.

I don’t think anyone can top that.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Lol virtually every shot is featuring one today including Gladstone Small's cohort

 

[Itachi]

People not watching cricket = farmers protest.....

Even if I go by this logic, what did UK do wrong?

You are living there, earning there, all your livelihood is there yet when it comes to show dedication towards the country of your livelihood, your hatred becomes bigger than the appreciation.

Who will want these kind of people?

 

[Bewal Express]

People not watching cricket = farmers protest.....

Even if I go by this logic, what did UK do wrong?

You are living there, earning there, all your livelihood is there yet when it comes to show dedication towards the country of your livelihood, your hatred becomes bigger than the appreciation.

Who will want these kind of people?

The anger amongst the Sikhs towards Modi the fascist was very public in the UK. Demos were held and 1000s turned up

 

[OMB]

Damn. I never knew this was so important. Have to ask my fellow Jains about their liking for cricket now too. Maybe ask a few budhdhists and parsis too

 

[IAJ]

Lol some indians getting touchy here. Calm down. This is a forum where people have right to ask questions or discuss various topics.

 

[Bewal Express]

I see nervous answers from our Ind friends. Apparently its ok for the Inds to comment on anything PK, but the World seems to have caved in when a perfectly legit Question is asked about why the drop in the Sikh Support during this tour.

 

[Swashbuckler]

How many sikh players are there in the indian team now? For an outsider like me I first and foremost think about sikhs when I hear about persons with surnames like Singh or Kaur (ladies).

Gill and Bumrah are Sikhs but I don't know whether they are practicing Sikhs or not. Bumrah is married to a Tamil Hindu girl and Gill is linked with Sachin's daughter.

I think Navdeep Saini too is a Sikh, he was in the Australia tour and also played white ball matches in Sri Lanka recently.

Btw not all Singhs are Sikhs. There are probably millions of Hindu and Christian Singhs in UP, Bihar, South India, North East. Singh just means 'lion' in Sanskrit. I personally know Hindu and Christian Singhs in interior Tamil Nadu.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Many Indians use surnames to conceal their caste identity: Singh, Kumar, Das, Chaudhary etc.

 

[Local.Dada]

Gill and Bumrah are Sikhs but I don't know whether they are practicing Sikhs or not. Bumrah is married to a Tamil Hindu girl and Gill is linked with Sachin's daughter.

I think Navdeep Saini too is a Sikh, he was in the Australia tour and also played white ball matches in Sri Lanka recently.

Btw not all Singhs are Sikhs. There are probably millions of Hindu and Christian Singhs in UP, Bihar, South India, North East. Singh just means 'lion' in Sanskrit. I personally know Hindu and Christian Singhs in interior Tamil Nadu.

Do you really think that explaining the complex demography of India would help here?

Your wish. However I know how the next few posts are going to sound/look like. It’s almost like I can write it for them

 

[IAJ]

Gill and Bumrah are Sikhs but I don't know whether they are practicing Sikhs or not. Bumrah is married to a Tamil Hindu girl and Gill is linked with Sachin's daughter.

I think Navdeep Saini too is a Sikh, he was in the Australia tour and also played white ball matches in Sri Lanka recently.

Btw not all Singhs are Sikhs. There are probably millions of Hindu and Christian Singhs in UP, Bihar, South India, North East. Singh just means 'lion' in Sanskrit. I personally know Hindu and Christian Singhs in interior Tamil Nadu.

Thanks for the information, appreciated. I really didn't know Hindus and Christians also use the name Singh. I thought this had some relgious connection with sikhism.

 

[IAJ]

Do you really think that explaining the complex demography of India would help here?

Your wish. However I know how the next few posts are going to sound/look like. It’s almost like I can write it for them

Of course it helps. I learned something new here today, thanks to [MENTION=143530]Swashbuckler[/MENTION]

 

[Local.Dada]

Of course it helps. I learned something new here today, thanks to [MENTION=143530]Swashbuckler[/MENTION]

very pleased to know

 

[Itachi]

The anger amongst the Sikhs towards Modi the fascist was very public in the UK. Demos were held and 1000s turned up

So?

Its your own country (England) playing too. If you hate someone so much that the love that should have been there for the country that is giving you food/shelter gets diminishes, then it's a great insult to that country (England) and you as a person have messed up priorities.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

People not watching cricket = farmers protest.....

Even if I go by this logic, what did UK do wrong?

You are living there, earning there, all your livelihood is there yet when it comes to show dedication towards the country of your livelihood, your hatred becomes bigger than the appreciation.

Who will want these kind of people?

I agree it's a shame that when England play India they are booed and jeered by their Indian origin countrymen.

However, England generally don't seem to bother with this side behaviour and are quite open minded towards it.

In the subcontinent it would result in riots and beatings.

 

[Itachi]

I agree it's a shame that when England play India they are booed and jeered by their Indian origin countrymen.

However, England generally don't seem to bother with this side behaviour and are quite open minded towards it.

In the subcontinent it would result in riots and beatings.

Just because England doesn't mind it doesn't make it morally ok.

A son could slap his mother which the mother may not mind but that doesn't make it OK.

Going by OPs logic, its like you hate your ex so much that you are sabotaging your marriage with a different girl with the hope that your ex gets hurt.

 

[Local.Dada]

So?

Its your own country (England) playing too. If you hate someone so much that the love that should have been there for the country that is giving you food/shelter gets diminishes, then it's a great insult to that country (England) and you as a person have messed up priorities.

Well I would say hating Modi or looking for patterns in disintegration of India doesn’t look that bad in context.

Now compare that to say living in the west and rejoicing the so called defeat of the west by Taliban which has polar opposite laws,constitution,
Culture and basic outlook of the very country they live in.

I would say this doesn’t sound too bad in comparison.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Gill and Bumrah are Sikhs but I don't know whether they are practicing Sikhs or not. Bumrah is married to a Tamil Hindu girl and Gill is linked with Sachin's daughter.

I think Navdeep Saini too is a Sikh, he was in the Australia tour and also played white ball matches in Sri Lanka recently.

Btw not all Singhs are Sikhs. There are probably millions of Hindu and Christian Singhs in UP, Bihar, South India, North East. Singh just means 'lion' in Sanskrit. I personally know Hindu and Christian Singhs in interior Tamil Nadu.

Also Dhawan. Kapil Dev has become a writer

 

[SpiritOf1903]

I agree it's a shame that when England play India they are booed and jeered by their Indian origin countrymen.

However, England generally don't seem to bother with this side behaviour and are quite open minded towards it.

In the subcontinent it would result in riots and beatings.

Tolerated from Indian fans but not if it was Pakistan fans in England..

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Tolerated from Indian fans but not if it was Pakistan fans in England..

They are the same with Pakistani fans tbh.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Also Dhawan. Kapil Dev has become a writer

Dhawan and Kapil are Hindus, khatris I believe. It is common in Punjab, Haryana, Jammu, Delhi for Hindus to visit Sikh shrines, participate in langar, offer Sikh prayers etc. And vice versa albeit to a lesser extent.

Yuvraj is Sikh though he doesn't wear turban.

 

[NishanKonar]

Majority of Sikhs today no longer wear turban or keep long hair - for practical reasons. Just like most Japanese dont wear Kimonos or most Muslim women dont wear hijab ( unless its mandatory like Saudi arabia )

So Sikhs don't stand out in the crowd any more unlike in the 80s & 90s

There are 2 sikhs in Indian squad - Jasprit Bumrah & Shubman Gill & neither has a turban or long hair

 

[NishanKonar]

Gill and Bumrah are Sikhs but I don't know whether they are practicing Sikhs or not. Bumrah is married to a Tamil Hindu girl and Gill is linked with Sachin's daughter.

I think Navdeep Saini too is a Sikh, he was in the Australia tour and also played white ball matches in Sri Lanka recently.

Btw not all Singhs are Sikhs. There are probably millions of Hindu and Christian Singhs in UP, Bihar, South India, North East. Singh just means 'lion' in Sanskrit. I personally know Hindu and Christian Singhs in interior Tamil Nadu.

Navdeep Saini is Haryanvi Jat. Not a Sikh

 

[NishanKonar]

The anger amongst the Sikhs towards Modi the fascist was very public in the UK. Demos were held and 1000s turned up

Most Sikhs understand the difference between Modi & India. They wont start hating India bcoz they hate Modi. Especially how lots of Hindu Jats & other communities have openly supported the farmers protest

Only yesterday there were massive protests in favor of farmers organized largely by HIndu leaders

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Dhawan and Kapil are Hindus, khatris I believe. It is common in Punjab, Haryana, Jammu, Delhi for Hindus to visit Sikh shrines, participate in langar, offer Sikh prayers etc. And vice versa albeit to a lesser extent.

Yuvraj is Sikh though he doesn't wear turban.

Given Punjabis have such strong affection towards the ideology it's fair to say that most are ?. Especially in India Punjabi is in effective interchangeable with sikh

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

There’s a clear reduction is presence. In the 90s and 2000s; Indian fans in UK stadiums would consist of >60% Sikhs. It’s barely 15% now

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Majority of Sikhs today no longer wear turban or keep long hair - for practical reasons. Just like most Japanese dont wear Kimonos or most Muslim women dont wear hijab ( unless its mandatory like Saudi arabia )

So Sikhs don't stand out in the crowd any more unlike in the 80s & 90s

There are 2 sikhs in Indian squad - Jasprit Bumrah & Shubman Gill & neither has a turban or long hair

There’s a clear reduction is presence. In the 90s and 2000s; Indian fans in UK stadiums would consist of >60% Sikhs. It’s barely 15% now

What [MENTION=147707]NishanKonar[/MENTION] is saying might be the answer to this. Maybe they just don’t wear in as much anymore especially considering the young UK Sikhs of tofay would be second or third generation

 

[SpiritOf1903]

What [MENTION=147707]NishanKonar[/MENTION] is saying might be the answer to this. Maybe they just don’t wear in as much anymore especially considering the young UK Sikhs of tofay would be second or third generation

There are plenty of bangles on display

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There are plenty of bangles on display

That's because bangles look cool while turbans don't.

 

[Napa]

I see nervous answers from our Ind friends. Apparently its ok for the Inds to comment on anything PK, but the World seems to have caved in when a perfectly legit Question is asked about why the drop in the Sikh Support during this tour.

Indians are very very nervous. The drop in Sikh support implies we will soon have Khalistan breaking away from India, followed by Kashmir, and then Telangana. The North East will join with China followed by the Pakistani Army conquering...

 

[Napa]

Tolerated from Indian fans but not if it was Pakistan fans in England..

Across the world, Christians are not in conflict with Hindus they way they are with Muslims.

 

[Itachi]

why the drop in the Sikh Support during this tour.

Identity crisis.

This is something that in UK seems very common. It is more pronounced in case of brit Pakistanis but I guess other communities are also catching this bug.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Identity crisis.

This is something that in UK seems very common. It is more pronounced in case of brit Pakistanis but I guess other communities are also catching this bug.

Most brit paks are dual nationals or have parents who are dual nationals.

Given India has no dual nationality surely the british Indians who pack out cricket grounds to support India are the most pronounced case of identity crisis.

 

[Itachi]

Most brit paks are dual nationals or have parents who are dual nationals.

Given India has no dual nationality surely the british Indians who pack out cricket grounds to support India are the most pronounced case of identity crisis.

Yup. Atleast for people in second generation on wards, I never understood.

I don't cheer for Thailand even though my ancestors were from Thailand.

 

[NishanKonar]

Most brit paks are dual nationals or have parents who are dual nationals.

Given India has no dual nationality surely the british Indians who pack out cricket grounds to support India are the most pronounced case of identity crisis.

British Indians get OCI card ( Overseas citizens of India ) - not exactly dual citizenship but very close to the concept

All foreign based Indians are eligible for OCI

 

[NishanKonar]

What [MENTION=147707]NishanKonar[/MENTION] is saying might be the answer to this. Maybe they just don’t wear in as much anymore especially considering the young UK Sikhs of tofay would be second or third generation

This is actually matter of huge concern for Sikh leaders in India & UK - that majority of young Sikhs do not wear turban & keep beard

They have often cricticised Sikh celebrities like Gurdass Mann, Yuvraj Singh , Guru Randhawa & Bollywood heroes for not wearing turban & keeping beard - which is setting wrong example for Sikh youth

 

[Jeetlodil]

the PM of India converted a Sikh martyrs place into a musical extravaganza plus farmer resistance. Guessing these are the reasons

 

[PakLFC]

In comparison to previous tours it hardly registers.

What you talking about? What have Sikh's got to do with previous tours?

 

[PakLFC]

https://historyofpashtuns.blogspot.com/2019/12/paolo-avitabile-face-of-brutal-sikh.html

I thought you were talking about recent times. Sikh's have been ruled by the Muslim Moghuls for a much longer period.

 

[sharmaji]

Haha separate Telangana now as a country. Waah, em cheppav mama

Indians are very very nervous. The drop in Sikh support implies we will soon have Khalistan breaking away from India, followed by Kashmir, and then Telangana. The North East will join with China followed by the Pakistani Army conquering...

 

[sharmaji]

For the Golden temple incident, Sikh should (and do) have an issue with the Congress party. BJP/RSS/Hindutva has nothing to do with that incident. Interestingly, the same Congress party which defiled the holiest site of Sikhs is in power (democratically elected) in Punjab.

The issue that Punjabi farmers has with BJP is an economic one. There is no religious component to the protests; Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims, Christians whoever is affected by the farm laws (mostly Punjabi farmers that is, because the laws are quite beneficial for the farmers in the rest of the India) are protesting.

Sikhs seem to be suffering something of an identity crisis in the UK since the first generation landed. They had a reputation as a fierce warrior race, but got beaten badly on their home turf when Indian army invaded the Golden Temple, and we have barely heard from them since. We keep hearing from hardcore hindutvas how Sikh empires challenged Afghans, but today we see that Afghans proved their reputation by facing down several superpowers despite a massive deficit in military hardware, yet Sikhs couldn't even defend their holiest site.

In short, I think Sikh faith is not what it was back in the days you are talking about. They are now just seen as an extension of hindu religion, and that is the only way they are allowed entry into India itself, even as refugees from external wars in Afghanistan, or refugees from Pakistan.

 

[Jeetlodil]

For the Golden temple incident, Sikh should (and do) have an issue with the Congress party. BJP/RSS/Hindutva has nothing to do with that incident. Interestingly, the same Congress party which defiled the holiest site of Sikhs is in power (democratically elected) in Punjab.

The issue that Punjabi farmers has with BJP is an economic one. There is no religious component to the protests; Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims, Christians whoever is affected by the farm laws (mostly Punjabi farmers that is, because the laws are quite beneficial for the farmers in the rest of the India) are protesting.

What is the economic issue in your opinion? and why is government and media trying to brand it as Khalistani supported and anti India.

It affects farmers in Punjab and Haryana because government bought in bulk from these states. In my opinion, if this is implemented with a bang then like other states, farmers of Punjab and Haryana will also commit suicide.

 

[sharmaji]

You explained the economic issue correctly. I will just add that Punjab also has a strong Mandi lobby for farmers (the middlemen who buy the crop in bulk and sell to government at MSP) who will be rendered irrelevant if private corporate players are allowed (as per the farm laws) to buy the produce from the farmers directly and could bring the price to reflect market reality.

My solution to this issue is to implement farm laws wholly in the rest of the India (93% of agricultural output is Rest of India, only 7% is from Punjab) and make special allowance for Punjab, with MSP as a price floor and allow private players to be able to do business (remember, privatisation does bring in market efficiencies and creates overall increase in productivity) with incentives like processing subsidies. Also, the State government should bear the additional expense (if any) for the farmers who will continue to sell their yield at MSP. This can be phased out gradually as the next generation of farmers increase their income with higher market price and stop relying on MSP.

Coming to why media is portraying it as Khalistani supported anti-India movement: a simplistic black and white narrative is convenient, if it is not true. Yes, there were some anti-India slogans raised in the protest group; the Punjabi farmers wanted support for their cause from any corner and some extremist elements (Khalistani group) took advantage of the timing and stepped in, causing ruckus at the red fort. At the same time, the government picked on that small fraction, and built a counter-narrative that the entire farmers protest is anti-Indian. Everyone is playing this game of narratives, to see who blinks first, instead of coming together for an administrative resolution.

On a side note, the overarching point is this: people are tribal and align themselves with a party/ideology and will support anything and everything that their party advocates. Same goes the opposite way: those who hate a party/ideology will fight it with everything even if that party is doing something good.

What is the economic issue in your opinion? and why is government and media trying to brand it as Khalistani supported and anti India.

It affects farmers in Punjab and Haryana because government bought in bulk from these states. In my opinion, if this is implemented with a bang then like other states, farmers of Punjab and Haryana will also commit suicide.

 

[Jeetlodil]

You explained the economic issue correctly. I will just add that Punjab also has a strong Mandi lobby for farmers (the middlemen who buy the crop in bulk and sell to government at MSP) who will be rendered irrelevant if private corporate players are allowed (as per the farm laws) to buy the produce from the farmers directly and could bring the price to reflect market reality.

My solution to this issue is to implement farm laws wholly in the rest of the India (93% of agricultural output is Rest of India, only 7% is from Punjab) and make special allowance for Punjab, with MSP as a price floor and allow private players to be able to do business (remember, privatisation does bring in market efficiencies and creates overall increase in productivity) with incentives like processing subsidies. Also, the State government should bear the additional expense (if any) for the farmers who will continue to sell their yield at MSP. This can be phased out gradually as the next generation of farmers increase their income with higher market price and stop relying on MSP.

Coming to why media is portraying it as Khalistani supported anti-India movement: a simplistic black and white narrative is convenient, if it is not true. Yes, there were some anti-India slogans raised in the protest group; the Punjabi farmers wanted support for their cause from any corner and some extremist elements (Khalistani group) took advantage of the timing and stepped in, causing ruckus at the red fort. At the same time, the government picked on that small fraction, and built a counter-narrative that the entire farmers protest is anti-Indian. Everyone is playing this game of narratives, to see who blinks first, instead of coming together for an administrative resolution.

On a side note, the overarching point is this: people are tribal and align themselves with a party/ideology and will support anything and everything that their party advocates. Same goes the opposite way: those who hate a party/ideology will fight it with everything even if that party is doing something good.

Your solution is exactly what the farmers in Punjab and Haryana are asking for but the government is not listening. Its cannot be implemented only for two states because other state farmers will not accept it then. Today there is internet ban in Haryana districts. Imagine.

Also the red fort incident, the person who incited was from or an assist of BJP. It was to malign the farmers protest. Like all other protests this government maligns it as anti national.

 

[Jeetlodil]

Not to forget the lathi charge on farmers. How sick can the government get

 

[loves_cricket]

Not to forget the lathi charge on farmers. How sick can the government get

What that has to do with support in UK for cricket

 

[Jeetlodil]

What that has to do with support in UK for cricket

May or may not have. Fuel to Khalistani fire.In general though sensible are ditching live cricket more and more in Covid times.

 

[OMB]

Not to forget the lathi charge on farmers. How sick can the government get

Stick to the thread topic please

 

[Napa]

Haha separate Telangana now as a country. Waah, em cheppav mama

It's gonna happen I am telling you. Those who don't believe it are missing the meaning the the falling Sikh support for the Indian team playing Tests in England.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Pakistanis thinking they can create a proxy war

 

[Major]

so just because you didnt see that many turban wearing people you make this assumption. Pretty racists.

Not every sikh wears a turban. And if you gonna say so not making judgement based on the turban, than there is no other way you could just sit at home and just a group of peoples religion just by looking at a pic or vid.

 

[JaDed]

Dhawan and Kapil are Hindus, khatris I believe. It is common in Punjab, Haryana, Jammu, Delhi for Hindus to visit Sikh shrines, participate in langar, offer Sikh prayers etc. And vice versa albeit to a lesser extent.

Yuvraj is Sikh though he doesn't wear turban.

Dhawan is Sikh..

 

[JaDed]

Hopefully unlike some confused second generation immigrants in England they will be supporting England cricket team.

Also many Sikhs don’t necessarily wear a turban nowadays.. unfortunate but to each its own, many of my distant relatives don’t.(unless for marriage).

 

[JaDed]

Subtle racism in the op is disappointing. How would you feel if people judge Muslims based on Skull cap in England?

 

[Swashbuckler]

Dhawan is Sikh..

No buddy, he is Hindu, I have seen several social media posts of his to know this.

Even apart from that what would a Sikh do in Padmanabhaswamy Temple in Kerala?
Link https://www.thequint.com/sports/sports-buzz/shikhar-dhawan-umesh-yadav-visit-thiruvananthapuram-temple-pictures

 

[JaDed]

No buddy, he is Hindu, I have seen several social media posts of his to know this.

Even apart from that what would a Sikh do in Padmanabhaswamy Temple in Kerala?
Link https://www.thequint.com/sports/sports-buzz/shikhar-dhawan-umesh-yadav-visit-thiruvananthapuram-temple-pictures

https://www.indiatvnews.com/amp/spo...ayesha-love-in-the-time-of-facebook-8752.html

so its commong but Some Sikhs go to temple also his wife is Hindu.

thr above marriage ceremony should clear it up

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=143530]Swashbuckler[/MENTION]
It’s complicated to understand the history, but Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs used to marry each other often before, I have Sikhs in my family eventhough I’m personally a Hindu but we go to Gurudwaras and have paaths at home.

My mother used to follow Sikhism and has made pilgrimage to Hemkund Sahib as well.

Many Sikhs in Tamil Nadu go to temples as well.

 

[Swashbuckler]

https://www.indiatvnews.com/amp/spo...ayesha-love-in-the-time-of-facebook-8752.html

so its commong but Some Sikhs go to temple also his wife is Hindu.

thr above marriage ceremony should clear it up

Ok, now I am confused. Non-Hindus aren't allowed inside Padmanabhaswamy Temple. Not as strict as Guruvayur but one must sign a written declaration that he or she is Hindu before entering that particular temple. Even Yesudas had to do that.

 

[Swashbuckler]

[MENTION=143530]Swashbuckler[/MENTION]
It’s complicated to understand the history, but Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs used to marry each other often before, I have Sikhs in my family eventhough I’m personally a Hindu but we go to Gurudwaras and have paaths at home.

My mother used to follow Sikhism and has made pilgrimage to Hemkund Sahib as well.

Many Sikhs in Tamil Nadu go to temples as well.

That's interesting.

 

[Kroll]

There’s a clear reduction is presence. In the 90s and 2000s; Indian fans in UK stadiums would consist of >60% Sikhs. It’s barely 15% now

Is that because a tsunami of Indian teps have turned up in recent years and have drowned out these people?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ok, now I am confused. Non-Hindus aren't allowed inside Padmanabhaswamy Temple. Not as strict as Guruvayur but one must sign a written declaration that he or she is Hindu before entering that particular temple. Even Yesudas had to do that.

Sikhs are usually allowed in all hindu temples as are Jains and even Buddhists.

Yesudas is a christian.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What is the basis of this thread? Except the OPs biased opinion, is there anything factual here?

 

[Swashbuckler]

Sikhs are usually allowed in all hindu temples as are Jains and even Buddhists.

Yesudas is a christian.

Guruvayur doesn't allow any non-Hindu from what I remember. They are extremely strict about their traditions.

There are other temples as well especially in Kerala but probably the rules aren't enforced as strictly as in Guruvayur.

Yesudas was born a Christian, but probably has more faith in Hinduism than most Hindus. His name is synonymous with Sabarimala/Ayyappa.

 

[globalcitizen]

Please enlighten us with more findings.

What is percentage drop of sikhs due to farmer protests?
What is percentage drop of Tamils due to not playing ashwin?
Etc etc

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hopefully unlike some confused second generation immigrants in England they will be supporting England cricket team.

Also many Sikhs don’t necessarily wear a turban nowadays.. unfortunate but to each its own, many of my distant relatives don’t.(unless for marriage).

Not from what I've seen. If you are following the test series, you must have seen plenty of second generation Indians loudly supporting India. I wonder why that is?

 

[JaDed]

Not from what I've seen. If you are following the test series, you must have seen plenty of second generation Indians loudly supporting India. I wonder why that is?

How do you know they were second generation?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How do you know they were second generation?

By dress sense and mannerisms. How else would I know, do you think I check the birth certificates of each individual fan? I am sure we are talking in general terms here, you as well as me. I doubt very much you check birth certificates either.

 

[NishanKonar]

Guruvayur doesn't allow any non-Hindu from what I remember. They are extremely strict about their traditions.

There are other temples as well especially in Kerala but probably the rules aren't enforced as strictly as in Guruvayur.

Yesudas was born a Christian, but probably has more faith in Hinduism than most Hindus. His name is synonymous with Sabarimala/Ayyappa.

In India , by law & tradition Sikhs , Buddhists & Jains are considered as part of the Hindu fold. They can enter temples like Guruvayur or Padmanswamy where muslims or christians or parsis are not allowed

Hindu civil law code ( passed by Parliament ) includes sikhs, buddhists & jains under its ambit