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What is it about Australian conditions that historically suits the otherwise average performances of the Indian cricket team?
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I think people are missing the word historically. Historically india have not been known to be good tourists. Infact they used to be called Lions at home, lambs abroad but contrary to that fact they have done well in Australia if not other places.
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Great post finally by indian bro someone just pointed out the facts.
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Apart from SA they won series every where. Even in SA most of them were ultra tight losses.
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Reasonable response but why do you think India fail to up their game vs Newzealand. Does a whitewash against Newzealand not hurt indian cricketing circles? Interesting observation.
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Best Test team right now are Australia despite how they are playing in this Test.
Why? I can think of 2 reasons.
Reason #1: They are #1 in ICC Test ranking with 124 points. 2nd positioned India are 13 points behind (111 points).
Reason #2: They won the WTC final.
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India should have beaten this Southafrican side tbh, was a great chance. I think Srl won the last series there with Kusal perera.
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Yeah you're hyper-ventilating lol.
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I am just pointing out things which i have observed nothing wrong i said in my post about india all i am saying india got better record than pak kudos to india but i still believe india and pak now both need to better than what they have done with aus players getting old it is golden chance for both asian teams.
NZ situation is weird. Even though they are our bogey team, for some reason the games with them never gets the same hype. Players or fans are never focus on that tour like they would do for an Australian tour.
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Look i might have been bit over the top but what i still believe both teams can do better than they have done in eng or nz both adian teams should now best these team in their bavkyard like how nz did in india
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Yeah you didn't answer the question. Let me ask you again.
Which team is the best travelling team in Test cricket right now? Meaning the team that has done better than every other team while playing Test matches away from home..
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And bro how about england tour does eng tour get the same hype like australian one?
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I simply corrected misusderstanding that Pakistan has been doing very well in Eng as comapred to India since 2000, that's all. What do you mean by behaving and to who?
No team is going to have lots of wins when touring away. Series wins are rare against top teams. For example, Aus has not won any test series in Ind and Eng for 20 years and counting despite being a very good team. You have to have ATG test teams like Aus/WI to win lots of tough away tours. India is nowhere close to that due to their ordinary batting despite having ATG bowling unit in the last 7-8 years.
That's the reason when batsmen or bowlers do well in tough away tours to help their team win, they get rated very high. It's just rare and catches attention because it's the toughest thing to do in test cricket. NZ was doing home bullying but no big deal, but their win in India will be for ages. Some posters may give excuse that India was missing this or over the hill etc, well that's how you win in den of tough teams. Rarely you are going to win against tough home teams if they are firing all cylinders at the same time.
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Best traveling team are definitely not India as they couldn't win series in England, NZ, and SA.
You have to look at both home and away. Not just away tours. Overall records should be considered and Aussies are clearly #1 (#1 in ICC ranking and WTC holder).
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The question is who is the best touring team. That was the question from @DeadlyVenom
Australia lost in India in every series they played since 2004, lost in SL in their last tour, just manage to draw in Eng in latest Ashes, lost in SA etc.
India won in Australia in last 2 tours, drew in Eng & SA, won in SL and lost in NZ.
So who is the better touring team?
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Nope still didn't answer the question. This is why I call you a run away troll because you keep running away from the question.
I'll go again...
Who do you think is the best travelling Test team in the world currently?
Simple question..no drama..plain answer required.. no toys getting thrown out of the pram.
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Well you guys had the chance last year and got white washed 3-Nothing by the exact same aussie team. Your only hope is that Aus dont find good replacements for their ageing stars ( Smith, Starc, Hazlewood, Lyon, Cummins ) because they would have retired by the time Pakistans next tour to Aus. Good luck
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Aussies generally dominate in South Africa. Check past few series. I think they lost only one in the past 15 years.
There is no outright best touring team currently. India failed to win series in England, SA, and NZ. So, they can't be the best touring team.
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True great points made agreed but i am saying if nz can whitewash india what stop pak or india to whitewash teams outside asia i mean pak can have a good time in south africa if they can get their batting sorted out what your take on pak chances vs south africa?
Yes it does get the hype and India does well in all Eng tours except 2011. We would have won the 2021 had we not pulled out from 5th test.
Remember Kohli's famous lines in Lords test - 'Next 90 mins, they should feel hell'
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Ya true i agreed on this part pak can have a chance if those guys are not there when pak tour next time and i feel india can do better in nz and eng with the talent india has now compared to pak who have been declining.
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True thats the spirit you need in those countries thats why i think pak need some pujabi aggressive guy like kohli to be named as pak captain lol.Yes it does get the hype and India does well in all Eng tours except 2011. We would have won the 2021 had we not pulled out from 5th test.
Remember Kohli's famous lines in Lords test - 'Next 90 mins, they should feel hell'
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If we view from an unbiased lens India has not just been the best touring team but best test team overall for a very very long time.
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Last cycle of India test team before NZ series this year:
Winning every single home series.
Winning series in Aus, SL, WI, BD
Drawing series in Eng, SA
Losing series in NZ
That's as good as it gets without getting into ATG test team. They were the top dogs because no other team was even remotely close.
Now it's a new cycle and we may have a new leader in test team. India is just a one of the good test team right now after loss to NZ at home. If they want to claim the best test team then got to repeat previous cycle or at least get close to that. Otherwise we may have situation where 3-4 good test teams winning occationally in tough tours but mostly losing. That's expected outcome.
This Aus series has just started. Some posters are reading too much into it after 3 days of test cricket in such a long test series. Plenty of cricket left.
Winning every single home series.
Winning series in Aus, SL, WI, BD
Drawing series in Eng, SA
Losing series in NZ
That's as good as it gets without getting into ATG test team. They were the top dogs because no other team was even remotely close.
Now it's a new cycle and we may have a new leader in test team. India is just a one of the good test team right now after loss to NZ at home. If they want to claim the best test team then got to repeat previous cycle or at least get close to that. Otherwise we may have situation where 3-4 good test teams winning occationally in tough tours but mostly losing. That's expected outcome.
This Aus series has just started. Some posters are reading too much into it after 3 days of test cricket in such a long test series. Plenty of cricket left.
The question was clearly the best touring side. Don't deflect
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Ya pak need someone like him maybe sajid khan lol i know he is a spinner but that guy is a fighter he was the one who won pak series vs eng.
Question was, who is the currently best touring team. Currently means at present...so there is no point going 15 years back.
India has won in Australia, SL and WI, drew in Eng & SA and only lost in NZ
In Comparison, Aust lost in Ind, SL & SA, drew in Eng and won in NZ.
So India is easily a better touring side in comparison to their counterparts
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It changed after Bumrah debuted in 2018. Lifted the entire pace unit to ATG level.
Since he debuted, India has lost 4-5 tests series taken together out of 25 test series home and away combined. It just happens to be that Indian batting scored some runs in Aus so they won there, but they have been the only team in the last 7-8 yesrs where we could expect a fight when touring in most venues. It's mainly due to there bowling. At home, they won everything due to unfair advanatge of playing with two best spinners who have 10 tons combined.
Not sure if casting aspersions on Australia's integrity is right as some on this thread seem to allude to that.
Australia is perhaps the most proud sporting nation, more so a cricketing nation. Their exploits on cricket field over last century or so have been legendary and second to none and hence they have the best win ratio over all other test playing nations. On top of that, they have won most LoI trophies.
To suggest that they are dishonest due to lure of Indian rupees is next level sour grapes.
Australia is perhaps the most proud sporting nation, more so a cricketing nation. Their exploits on cricket field over last century or so have been legendary and second to none and hence they have the best win ratio over all other test playing nations. On top of that, they have won most LoI trophies.
To suggest that they are dishonest due to lure of Indian rupees is next level sour grapes.
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Afghanistan was faced with same accusation in 2023 world cup when they lost to India and beat Pakistan. This is a "sour grape" pattern.
Something similar was said about South Africa in the latest t20 series.
Yup sour grape pattern.
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Yah, I tried to see record of last 8 years after Bumrah debuted.
Out of 25 test series or so, India lost only 3-4 of them home and away combined with 35-40 test wins in these 8 years. 35-40 test wins are huge in periods like 8 years. To put it in context, India/SA has total 180 test wins in entire history and Pakistan has 150 test wins in entire history.
I personally think that cycle is over and NZ loss resets it. We need to see new cycle of teams trying to do well. Now, if India wins ongoing and next 4-5 test series then I am not sure. Then NZ loss will be an exception, but players will be different so it's not one test team with core set of players they had from 2018.
What does KP know about test cricket?
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Fans have understood that transition has officially begun. First time in the last 10 years they sat both Jadeja and Ashwin out. It was unheard of. Think about it. Both are in ICC top 10 ranking. Jadeja took 10 wickets in the last innings he played. He also has good batting and bowling record here. So is Ashwin. But they are phasing them out slowly but surely. So India's result will be inconsistent. THey will have several off days in the coming year or so until the transition is complete. I didn't expect INdia to win even a single Test here. Glad they have done well here.
Afghanistan's case is even more sour grapes phenomenon. Just because they raise their game against their arch rivals Pakistan and fail to do that against India, doesn't mean they have sold their souls to Indian talent scouts.
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And Srilanka whenever they got bowled out for low score then there is a thread about match fixing. I think there is a dedicated thread for that.
May be, Indian team is too good on most days against all Asian teams while can't do that on consistent basis against SENA teams.
Why can't that be considered a possibility instead of considering the likes of AFG and SL as sellouts?
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It could be the only test win in this series. If Bumrah can pull rabit out of his hat to get another win, I will rate him higher.
Posters are writing off Aus after 3 days of test. I think they will bounce back. Both teams have flaws, but it's Aus home ground with long series. They won't like to lose 3 in a row agasint teh same team.
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Because the latter helps them sleep better at night..duh!
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Exactly. Australia was at the bottom of the table in the world cup. They almost lost to NZ, Afghanistan and got kicked out first round. They showed mental resilience to win the world cup. Everybody was going gaga over Australia when they did that. Now in their favorite ground Perth they are in precarious position. People suspect their effort. It is preposterous.
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When India did not hit a single boundary for 25 overs or so (even against Travis head) they didn't think "India is deliberately underperforming against Australia" as it doesn't suit their narrative.
We didn't hit a single boundary in 25 overs because Australia were too good for us. However, if Australia does the same it's because they are sellouts.
This is what these guys want us to believe.
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Australia this Australia that.. all kind of hype will come. Even before the series they expected India to be thrashed. When that didn't happen had to find some urgent excuses.
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What do you mean by shown up excuse your language i am not your bother or something so behave whoever you are.
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As an occasional cricket enthusiast, the one steady state for me has been the woeful attempts by those who dislike the Indian cricket team to marginalize its achievements. Trivializing its many victories, attributing bowling masterclasses to favorable pitches and batting milestones to popgun attacks and umpiring errors. Heck, back in 2011 we had threads upon threads of folks claiming that the BCCI had hacked into the hawk eye system, put in a 'if(batsman = Sachin): decision = not_out()' clause in the logic.Michael Clarke has confirmed the same in the past along with Ramiz Raja
Australian cricketers 'sucked up' to Kohli to save IPL deals: Michael Clarke
"Everybody knows how powerful India are in regards to the financial part of the game," says former Australia captain.www.dawn.com
Australians have changed their DNA because of money, IPL contracts: Ramiz Raja
"New Zealand ran away and England followed the same suit. They both have done wrong against us," the PCB chief addswww.cricket.com
It is very clear that the Australian team surrenders its intensity against India. It definitely is both a mental block and a combination of IPL, the same bowlers, batters have failed against India at home 3 times in a row in the last 6 years leads to a permanent mental scarring.
Would the Australians have persisted with the same group of players who lost a single Ashes series let alone 3-6 consecutive test series losses against the same team both away and at home? Definitely not.
The Australian cricket system does not mind or deem it unacceptable to lose to India.
And I have to say, it delights me. Cry more fellas. or maybe mature to that teams can have good series and the same team can have a bad series.
One of my guilty pleasures is to see the Pakistani meltdown when India does something spectacular in Cricket ... the wrist slitting and conspiracy theories make for some priceless entertainment
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I think indian team is not good at batting wickets.so definitely a bowling surface like gabba or Adelaide pink match should favour india to win one more.If India is lucky to bat first at gabba or avoid batting for most of the times under lights in Adelaide,they can sneak another win.In normal match up's ,they don't stand a chance
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Yes, if India can catch Aus in wrong time in pink test then Aus can lose it. I don't recall Aus losing any pink test so it will be first for Aus.
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If Hazlewood bowls anywhere close to how he has bowled in the first 1st test he will be a handful.
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Probably a lot more than you do.
How many Tests have you played personally?
Pietersen has played 104 Tests and scored 8000+ runs (23 Test centuries).
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Aus lost pink match in gabba but not in Adelaide
It's cause bumrah is allowed to chuck
And jaiswal and the batsmen are told exactly what type of balls the bowlers will bowl in advance with code words aimed at the keeper. But really it was just to misguide people watching as it was conveniently made aware to the batsmen who is in cahoots with the Australia side. They under perform intentially for betting reasons. As in Aussies under perform.
And jaiswal and the batsmen are told exactly what type of balls the bowlers will bowl in advance with code words aimed at the keeper. But really it was just to misguide people watching as it was conveniently made aware to the batsmen who is in cahoots with the Australia side. They under perform intentially for betting reasons. As in Aussies under perform.
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So u agree Bumrah is the best bowler ever and goat
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India always manages to steal Tests here and there when touring. However, they have managed to win entire series in Australia which has to be commended.
India winning a Test in Australia is not unheard of.
Why are people assuming entire series is gone based on a single Test which is NOT EVEN DONE yet.
This post assumes that India is nearing another series victory when the truth is the result could still end up 5-0 or 4-1 in Australia's favor.
I agree, New Zealand winning in India was an anomaly. Most of the teams get buried in Tests played in India. And I dont see that changing still anytime soon for other teams.
India is a good team but winning in Australia is not going to be easy. India have had the upper hand 3 days out of 5 in a 25 day series. Dont think thats the end of it.
India winning a Test in Australia is not unheard of.
Why are people assuming entire series is gone based on a single Test which is NOT EVEN DONE yet.
This post assumes that India is nearing another series victory when the truth is the result could still end up 5-0 or 4-1 in Australia's favor.
I agree, New Zealand winning in India was an anomaly. Most of the teams get buried in Tests played in India. And I dont see that changing still anytime soon for other teams.
India is a good team but winning in Australia is not going to be easy. India have had the upper hand 3 days out of 5 in a 25 day series. Dont think thats the end of it.
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True. We are not exactly in stellar form. We are in transition mode. Average age of the first test XI was just 27. Many of them were under 25. 3 debutants in the side. Padikkal was just 1 test old. Gill injured as well. There were few individuals that stepped up at crucial time.
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So u agree Bumrah is the best bowler ever and goat
Bumrah doesn't even have 200 Test wickets.
GOAT bowler is either McGrath or Wasim.
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But kp played Test matches or u
Makes whatever we did at Perth in first 3 days all the more special. Such an unsettled team and we still have Aussies on the mat!
If only we do as well in the Pink test too! May go a long way in us doing well on this tour too against all odds.
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Winning in Australia is what separates daler teams from phattu ones. Bharat has shown that daleri and jazba ever since they were robbed by Steve Bucknor.
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Team rankings while playing in Australia -
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2) Bharat A
3) Bharat B
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5) Rest
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1) Bharat
2) Bharat A
3) Bharat B
4) Australia
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Since Jan 1, 2016 teams in Australia
Only INdia and South Africa have competed there. Look at the shellacking some of the teams they got there.
Overall figures
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Since Jan 1, 2016 teams in Australia
Only INdia and South Africa have competed there. Look at the shellacking some of the teams they got there.
Overall figures
Nice stats, but can't take my eyes off 808
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Despite people having misunderstandings about winning in Australia just because India have a favorable win-loss record there, it's still bloody hard to win in Australia. This table shows this in ample measure.Since Jan 1, 2016 teams in Australia
Only INdia and South Africa have competed there. Look at the shellacking some of the teams they got there.
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The role of Rana and Reddy in us being in this position can never be forgotten despite them being absolute greenhorns. Hell, they don't even have good enough amount of FC cricket under their belts.
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Last time washi,Natarajan, did it. Our youngsters are coming really good like a finished products. I think all the ipl environment ,A tour games have really ironed them out. In a way every youngster knows unless they are at their best from the start someone will grab the opportunity .otherwise its an end card in the beginning itself.who can forget Shaw,Mayank?
As did Thakur and Siraj.
Mayank and Shaw's cases show this in ample measure that no matter how talented you are, unless you show consistency, hunger and right attitude at international level, you'd be benched.
Tours to Australia are treated with the utmost importance by the BCCI, with significant effort put into preparation. Domestic matches are often played on pitches that offer pace and bounce, which helps Indian players acclimate before the tour. Additionally, an Australian tour is seen as career-defining for Indian cricketers. Success there can make or break a player’s reputation, which drives them to put their best foot forward.
On the other hand, India’s struggles in New Zealand are largely due to poor planning. These tours are often short, leaving little time for players to adjust. Swing and seam-friendly conditions pose challenges for Indian batsmen, who lack adequate preparation to deal with such pitches. Even the bowlers, apart from a few exceptions like Mohammed Shami, often fail to adapt their line, length, and pace to exploit the conditions effectively.
In England, India has shown flashes of brilliance but has often fallen short due to limited practice sessions and subpar team combinations. Unlike New Zealand, where results are consistently disappointing, India has been competitive in England and has come close to winning series, though not consistently enough to secure them.
On the other hand, India’s struggles in New Zealand are largely due to poor planning. These tours are often short, leaving little time for players to adjust. Swing and seam-friendly conditions pose challenges for Indian batsmen, who lack adequate preparation to deal with such pitches. Even the bowlers, apart from a few exceptions like Mohammed Shami, often fail to adapt their line, length, and pace to exploit the conditions effectively.
In England, India has shown flashes of brilliance but has often fallen short due to limited practice sessions and subpar team combinations. Unlike New Zealand, where results are consistently disappointing, India has been competitive in England and has come close to winning series, though not consistently enough to secure them.
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Australia is the one team that we always wanted to compete with, and the one team we emulated. We realised long ago that the path to glory in cricket almost always goes through Australia being the biggest hurdle in any format. So we worked on everything needed to compete with Aussies in cricket, starting with attitude, fitness, pitches, aggression, bounce, pace etc etc. I think genuine work towards anything pays dividend and that’s why you see us being competitive against Aussies.
We respect them and want to earn their respect too by bringing the competition. Aussie fans and analysts are extremely fair and genuine lovers of cricket. Whenever our players or any foreign players do well in Australia you see a genuine happiness in these Aussies rather than annoyance. I am not judging England, South Africa and other countries but the Aussies come hardest at you but if you do well they’re also the most genuine in appreciating that. Tendulkar, Pant have received so much love in Australia even Kohli who is a polarising figure and often annoying for opponents is adored in Australia. The players understand this now and want to give their best in that country. Australia is where legends of cricket are born. I don’t rate any non Aussie cricketer that high if he’s not been a star in Australia. It remains forever the great filter or ordinary talent and special talent for our cricketers.
We respect them and want to earn their respect too by bringing the competition. Aussie fans and analysts are extremely fair and genuine lovers of cricket. Whenever our players or any foreign players do well in Australia you see a genuine happiness in these Aussies rather than annoyance. I am not judging England, South Africa and other countries but the Aussies come hardest at you but if you do well they’re also the most genuine in appreciating that. Tendulkar, Pant have received so much love in Australia even Kohli who is a polarising figure and often annoying for opponents is adored in Australia. The players understand this now and want to give their best in that country. Australia is where legends of cricket are born. I don’t rate any non Aussie cricketer that high if he’s not been a star in Australia. It remains forever the great filter or ordinary talent and special talent for our cricketers.
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Only in NZ pak has done well, India won a test series in Eng in 2007, go check when Pak won a series there, India also drew the last series there.
Also lol @test wins in Aus, ICT has two series wins there, and you are saying Pakistan has been weak since 1999??
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So you are saying Pakistan has been pathetic and mediocre? Coz India won a series in England in 2007, whereas Pak hasn’t for a very long time.
Good to know.
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Series wins matters , India has two series wins
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Playing in Australia requires putting hard yards for all 5 days.
Batsmen were able to fight and grind on those flat pitches in 2000s requiring bowlers to spells here and there to win games. Team would hardly be out of the game due to batsmen. Pace and bounce wasn't a problem for them.
Once fitness and skills of pacers improved after 2015, they have started winning series also.
SA, Eng, NZ don't require teams to toil for 420+ overs.
Batsmen were able to fight and grind on those flat pitches in 2000s requiring bowlers to spells here and there to win games. Team would hardly be out of the game due to batsmen. Pace and bounce wasn't a problem for them.
Once fitness and skills of pacers improved after 2015, they have started winning series also.
SA, Eng, NZ don't require teams to toil for 420+ overs.
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Before winning 3 tests nz only won 1 test in 80s in India.
Absolutely does hurt. We .missed 3 key players though. But still no excuses. Ridiculous.
Before winning 3 tests nz only won 1 test in 80s in India.
well its EXACTLY like how Pakistan lost to BD.
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Indians have become poor players of spin, they were lucky the teams they played till NZ were worst than them so they could win. NZ came out and performed better than Indian bats which was unexpected and as a result their huge weakness to spin got exposed.
These new Indian kids are much suited for the faster bouncier tracks than the rank turners...
These new Indian kids are much suited for the faster bouncier tracks than the rank turners...
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