What stance should Pakistan have in the Jamal Khashoggi murder issue?

[MenInG]

Easy to get sucked in but from a Pakistan pov, they have to tread a fine line here - both Turkey and KSA are friends!

So how should we play on this sticky wicket?

 

[MenInG]

In Imran Khan's words to BBC today "My priority is 210 million people of Pakistan!"

 

[GBK_Fan]

Stay neutral. Imran is on the right track. Pakistan has enough to worry about

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Imran did the right thing imho.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Ignore. Ultimately it is an issue between 2 other countries, let them sort it out.

 

[Fahdi]

It's not Pakistan's issue.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

We don’t have any say in the world. It doesn’t matter who or what we side with. The world doesn’t care about us. So taking any side is insignificant. I would have preferred us taking the morally just side but I guess morality is the luxury we cannot afford in reality.

 

[hussain.r97]

Pakistan should stay out of it.

The morally correct thing would be to call Saudi Arabia out on it. However, in reality, what Pakistan says is irrelevant, and at this stage, Pakistan really can't afford to go against Saudi Arabia. You've got to earn the right to take the morally correct stance in this world.

 

[MenInG]

Morally correct aspect would be beyond Pakistan due to many reasons!

 

[King-Misbah]

Saudi will bail Pakistan out but Turkey cant. Its the reality. And Pakistan's moral stance would have had no effect on Saudi but a massive financial impact on Pakistan. Pakistan did the right thing and stayed out the mess.

 

[B@$!T]

Imran did the right thing, Pakistan is at an unstable period and we need all the help we can get. Cant take a moral stand at the moment in my opinion.

 

[Markhor]

It's not like Pakistan can take the moral high ground given its own unfortunate past of politically motivated disappearances. Given the dire economic situation, IK can't do much beyond calling for an investigation and accountability for the killers.

“My position is that I will go along and I will wait for whatever the final explanation is. We hope there is an explanation which satisfies people, and those responsible are punished. But again I repeat that as a democrat, as a human being, I find the whole thing sad beyond belief.”

 

[Madplayer]

Ignore it. The position should be to sit on the sidelines.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Take the money and keep quiet. International outrage is a luxury only the superpowers can afford.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Stay neutral.

Which is what he has done.

 

[shortbread]

Nice to see that prominent British business personalities decided against flying to Saudi in protest over Khasshogi's disappearance.

Albeit, certain prominent British business personalities have also acquired an injunction against the Telegraph revealing their names, after the paper spent the past eight months investigating allegations of bullying, intimidation and sexual harassment made against the said businessman! Double standards?!

 

[notAgainPlease]

Offer ISI to take clean hits and not get caught.

 

[PakLFC]

Say nothing. We have enough problems of our own. Let Saudi and Turkey deal with it.

 

[Bewal Express]

We cant do anything- we have little power.

 

[Bewal Express]

Say nothing. We have enough problems of our own. Let Saudi and Turkey deal with it.

Totally agree.

 

[JaDed]

Ignore. Ultimately it is an issue between 2 other countries, let them sort it out.

Hmm you feel the same about Lanka too..

 

[Swashbuckler]

Hmm you feel the same about Lanka too..

Kindly be more precise.

 

[JaDed]

Kindly be more precise.

About Lankan war on Tamils, guess you don't care..and want Lankan govn and Tamil Lankans to figure out themselves.

 

[KingKhanWC]

1. It's not Pakistans business.

2. IK and PTI were elected to make things better for the people of Pakistan not to ruin this because of the death of one person which hasn't been established yet.

 

[JaDed]

Love how when money is involved it doesn't become Pakistan's business ,Chinese Muslims and this case as examples.

 

[Swashbuckler]

About Lankan war on Tamils, guess you don't care..and want Lankan govn and Tamil Lankans to figure out themselves.

I don't support the terrorist organization LTTE and the pro LTTE sympathizers in Tamil Nadu. Supporting and training LTTE was a colossal mistake by Indira Gandhi/RAW. The struggle should have been non violent and democratic in nature. But now based on what has happened I would want a fair investigation of the genocide and accountability, world community and UN should pressurize the Lankans to hold a fair resolution of the war crimes. Also rehabilitation of Lankan Tamil refugees in Tamil Nadu back to the island in due course of time.

 

[JaDed]

I don't support the terrorist organization LTTE and the pro LTTE sympathizers in Tamil Nadu. Supporting and training LTTE was a colossal mistake by Indira Gandhi/RAW. The struggle should have been non violent and democratic in nature. But now based on what has happened I would want a fair investigation of the genocide and accountability, world community and UN should pressurize the Lankans to hold a fair resolution of the war crimes. Also rehabilitation of Lankan Tamil refugees in Tamil Nadu back to the island in due course of time.

Why do you care, it's not your business,isn't that the premise of this thread?

 

[Swashbuckler]

Why do you care, it's not your business,isn't that the premise of this thread?

False equivalence.

1. Because of the civil war Tamil Nadu had to accommodate lakhs of refugees from Sri Lanka, a burden on the state's finances even today. Think of how the wave of East Pakistan's refugees to India in 1971 forced us to meddle in Pakistan's affairs and participate in a major war.

2. Many Tamils, especially in coastal districts have families in Sri Lanka who were affected by the genocide.

3. Spillover of the civil war/terrorism cost us our PM's life as well as many terror attacks, increasing crime, drugs etc. Sri Lanka wasn't the only party to the turbulent times.

4. LTTE fighters have sleeper cells in the state, some have joined Maoists as mercenaries, some have infiltrated the system etc. There is a lot of suffering, hurt and mindset of revenge which presents a security challenge for India since we are an immediate neighbour.

It is in India's and Tamil Nadu's interest to ensure that there is a logical conclusion to the saga and war crimes are addressed. Also legal help, Lankans have themselves requested our constitutional experts in this regard. Now that the mess has been created, we have been sucked in and no running away because we need to ensure peace in the region.

In this Khashgoggi case Indians and Pakistanis haven't been affected. Had our interests been affected we should have meddled. We literally have nothing to gain/lose in this issue, nor are we major global players indulged in power games in that region. In case of Sri Lanka we are the eminent South Asian power and have a say in what happens in our neighborhood.

 

[JaDed]

False equivalence.

1. Because of the civil war Tamil Nadu had to accommodate lakhs of refugees from Sri Lanka, a burden on the state's finances even today. Think of how the wave of East Pakistan's refugees to India in 1971 forced us to meddle in Pakistan's affairs and participate in a major war.

2. Many Tamils, especially in coastal districts have families in Sri Lanka who were affected by the genocide.

3. Spillover of the civil war/terrorism cost us our PM's life as well as many terror attacks, increasing crime, drugs etc. Sri Lanka wasn't the only party to the turbulent times.

4. LTTE fighters have sleeper cells in the state, some have joined Maoists as mercenaries, some have infiltrated the system etc. There is a lot of suffering, hurt and mindset of revenge which presents a security challenge for India since we are an immediate neighbour.

It is in India's and Tamil Nadu's interest to ensure that there is a logical conclusion to the saga and war crimes are addressed. Also legal help, Lankans have themselves requested our constitutional experts in this regard. Now that the mess has been created, we have been sucked in and no running away because we need to ensure peace in the region.

In this Khashgoggi case Indians and Pakistanis haven't been affected. Had our interests been affected we should have meddled. We literally have nothing to gain/lose in this issue, nor are we major global players indulged in power games in that region. In case of Sri Lanka we are the eminent South Asian power and have a say in what happens in our neighborhood.

It's not in India's interest to meddle in Lanka's affairs, they don't interfere in our affairs, it's as plain as that.

India should only.involve itself if Lankan govn promotes violence against Indian citizens, in this case it's not.

Indira Gandhi or Rajiv we're wrong when they meddled in Lankan affairs.

 

[Pakistanian]

Whatever stance benefits Pakistan

 

[DeadBall]

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Love how when money is involved it doesn't become Pakistan's business ,Chinese Muslims and this case as examples.

Pakistan is not a rising economic superpower unfortunately, that means it can't afford to alienate the few allies who will provide cheap capital in a world that is geared towards capitalism.

Perhaps you would prefer if everyone recommended Pakistan opted for isolation and bankruptcy?

 

[JaDed]

Pakistan is not a rising economic superpower unfortunately, that means it can't afford to alienate the few allies who will provide cheap capital in a world that is geared towards capitalism.

Perhaps you would prefer if everyone recommended Pakistan opted for isolation and bankruptcy?

No what Pakistan is doing is correct imho , its the posters that I'm talking against.

 

[yasir]

Take the money and keep quiet. International outrage is a luxury only the superpowers can afford.

I wish Pakistan was that smart after 9/11 or all things Jews??

Pakistan could have fixed all financial problems, and brought home all of Software out sourcing business to Karachi, Lahore, ISB and probably new cities, not to mention get rid of most of billions of dollar of debt, if our beloved Army for once focused on what is good for the people of Pakistan. Divested whole heartily from using "Islam++ as strategic weapon"... Instead the invested in completely opposite, here we are begging all over the world, missed the golden opportunity not once though

 

[Saeed]

Pakistan is one of the most dangerous country for journalists, going by that track record Pakistani government would side with Saudi regime in a heartbeat. Its amazing how people are acting as if Pakistan has some moral authority on this issue.

 

[slipcatch]

Pakistan is one of the most dangerous country for journalists, going by that track record Pakistani government would side with Saudi regime in a heartbeat. Its amazing how people are acting as if Pakistan has some moral authority on this issue.

No country does and the killing of Jamal Kashoggi has exposed hypocrisy of those who try to preach morals to the rest of the world.

Lets not be naive.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Pakistan is one of the most dangerous country for journalists, going by that track record Pakistani government would side with Saudi regime in a heartbeat. Its amazing how people are acting as if Pakistan has some moral authority on this issue.

Foolish statements.

For one, journalists who disappear or are kidnapped are usually critics of either Islam or Islamic figures. Hence their plight isn't because of criticizing the government, which was the case with Jamal Khashoggi.

If that was the case in Pakistan, then Kamran Shahid, ALH, Hamid Meer and Kashif Abbasi should have disappeared long ago.

 

[RickyG]

No stance. The morals of this world are at all time low as far as global politics are concerned. Canada is trying to be a moral police and you see how China, US and Saudi treat them with disdain.

That's Canada and you are Pakistan. Saudi and U.S. could cause havoc in your country and destroy it for generations to come. So it's best to shut up an know your place.