Refuse matches against India in ICC Tournaments at neutral venues and boycott ICC events in India - Does Pakistan have the courage to draw this line?

[nuttyprof]

Good. we are both want the same thing.

Except there is one side which needs the other for sustenance .

 

[BouncerGuy]

PCB should refuse the India games but can they do it?? I believe not.

 

[nuttyprof]

PCB should refuse the India games but can they do it?? I believe not.

Can PCB afford to is a more important question IMO.

 

[cogent]

PCB should refuse the India games but can they do it?? I believe not.

What does that accomplish? Will Pakistan refuse to play Semifinal or Finals as well if against India? This is like digging your own grave. That will set a precedent. This is like falling right into your opposition's tactics. Even India doesn't refuse to play Pakistan in ICC events even as they openly claim Pakistan of sponsoring terrorism in India.

suppose they do this, what happens when next ICC event is in India as there are multiple planned? Pak will just look stupid if they play against India again IMO.

Basically Pakistan has only one option:
1. Hybrid plan

The other is to stand firm to host CT in Pakistan and go public and shame the ICC. But I don't think they have the spine or the political clout to do this. History show that PCB will talk big first and run back with its tail between the legs and eventually give in to hybrid model.

 

[shah9425]

Maybe there will be no Asia cup. BCCI could decide to walk away from ACc.

If they can icc abandon PCB, how hard will it be with ACC

Yeah you are not needed keep playing IPL

 

[cricketjoshila]

Maybe there will be no Asia cup. BCCI could decide to walk away from ACc.

If they can icc abandon PCB, how hard will it be with ACC

Government of India is unlikely to give permission to host pakistan for Asia cup.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeah you are not needed keep playing IPL

Pakistan cannot decide for ICC or ACC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistanis should listen to what the last PCB chairman has to say.

 

[Farabi]

Pakistanis should listen to what the last PCB chairman has to say.

Mohsin Naqvi is very shrewd and strong. Najam Sethi was a joke.
There is a good chance PCB may follow through this time as he has direct support and connection from the men in charge of the county…

I am not exaggerating. I genuinely think international cricket, and possibly cricket itself is on thin ice right now.

India-Pakistan matches are vital for the survival of the ICC and international cricket, as they generate significant revenue through broadcasting, sponsorships, and global viewership. A loss of these fixtures could slash ICC’s earnings by 20-30%, making tournaments financially unviable, given the low profit margins most businesses operate with.
The absence of international cricket could negatively impact leagues like the IPL, which rely on global talent and viewership. Thus, maintaining the ICC’s structure and these high-profile matches is essential not only for the ICC's survival but also for the broader cricket ecosystem, including the IPL. IPL would not be the same without the international stars it draws, which rely on international cricket.
What might be left are some key rivalries like BGT and Ashes…

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Mohsin Naqvi is very shrewd and strong. Najam Sethi was a joke.
There is a good chance PCB may follow through this time as he has direct support and connection from the men in charge of the county…

I am not exaggerating. I genuinely think international cricket, and possibly cricket itself is on thin ice right now.

India-Pakistan matches are vital for the survival of the ICC and international cricket, as they generate significant revenue through broadcasting, sponsorships, and global viewership. A loss of these fixtures could slash ICC’s earnings by 20-30%, making tournaments financially unviable, given the low profit margins most businesses operate with.
The absence of international cricket could negatively impact leagues like the IPL, which rely on global talent and viewership. Thus, maintaining the ICC’s structure and these high-profile matches is essential not only for the ICC's survival but also for the broader cricket ecosystem, including the IPL. IPL would not be the same without the international stars it draws, which rely on international cricket.
What might be left are some key rivalries like BGT and Ashes…

Huh??20-30% of tournament revenue from one game.

Where does one generate this stat?? I am really curious, Sun must never be shining in that deep abyss of no knowledge or reality.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistanis should listen to what the last PCB chairman has to say.

He's basically said that India is using it's financial clout to harm Pakistan and security is not the issue at all.

 

[FearlessRoar]

As per reports, the lack of Pakistan-India matches would cause a financial loss of around $100 million for the Indian board.

So yes lets do it

 

[Vikram1989]

As per reports, the lack of Pakistan-India matches would cause a financial loss of around $100 million for the Indian board.

So yes lets do it

And bankruptcy for pcb .oh sry u r already bankrupt

 

[BouncerGuy]

Indo-pak games is a need of ICC...not just pcb or bcci

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Both the BCCI and PCB lack the courage to take a stand, each waiting for the other to act first. The BCCI, in particular, has been a major disappointment, despite its considerable influence.

For those defending the BCCI’s inaction by arguing that forfeiting two points isn't an option, here's a question: why hasn’t the BCCI used its supposed power to request or influence the ICC to ensure India and Pakistan aren’t placed in the same group? While it's true that avoiding Pakistan in knockouts, semifinals, or finals is impossible, the group stage could still be managed differently.

If some Indian fans continue to applaud the BCCI's hypocritical approach and fail to recognize these issues, they are, in my view, not true cricket fans.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And bankruptcy for pcb .oh sry u r already bankrupt

This is the problem with some Indian fans. They behave as if the BCCI's money belongs to them. Many of these fans, who struggle to maintain a basic monthly balance in their savings accounts, are often the first to mock those with wealth. Yet, these same fans complain when supporters from other Asian countries don't back India during neutral matches.

 

[Local.Dada]

This is the problem with some Indian fans. They behave as if the BCCI's money belongs to them. Many of these fans, who struggle to maintain a basic monthly balance in their savings accounts, are often the first to mock those with wealth. Yet, these same fans complain when supporters from other Asian countries don't back India during neutral matches.

Indians fans have made not only BCCI rich but even ICC relevant. So yes, absolutely.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Both the BCCI and PCB lack the courage to take a stand, each waiting for the other to act first. The BCCI, in particular, has been a major disappointment, despite its considerable influence.

For those defending the BCCI’s inaction by arguing that forfeiting two points isn't an option, here's a question: why hasn’t the BCCI used its supposed power to request or influence the ICC to ensure India and Pakistan aren’t placed in the same group? While it's true that avoiding Pakistan in knockouts, semifinals, or finals is impossible, the group stage could still be managed differently.

If some Indian fans continue to applaud the BCCI's hypocritical approach and fail to recognize these issues, they are, in my view, not true cricket fans.

Of course they aren't true cricket fans. Cricket fans want to see cricket matches between local rivals unless there is a genuine political reason why the game shouldn't be played. Attempting to bankrupt a cricket board is not really about cricket, the main motivation would be hatred.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Mohsin Naqvi is very shrewd and strong. Najam Sethi was a joke.
There is a good chance PCB may follow through this time as he has direct support and connection from the men in charge of the county…

I am not exaggerating. I genuinely think international cricket, and possibly cricket itself is on thin ice right now.

India-Pakistan matches are vital for the survival of the ICC and international cricket, as they generate significant revenue through broadcasting, sponsorships, and global viewership. A loss of these fixtures could slash ICC’s earnings by 20-30%, making tournaments financially unviable, given the low profit margins most businesses operate with.
The absence of international cricket could negatively impact leagues like the IPL, which rely on global talent and viewership. Thus, maintaining the ICC’s structure and these high-profile matches is essential not only for the ICC's survival but also for the broader cricket ecosystem, including the IPL. IPL would not be the same without the international stars it draws, which rely on international cricket.
What might be left are some key rivalries like BGT and Ashes…

That estimation is way OTT.

Still i will humour you.

ICC's estimated earnings is $600mn.

Out of which BCCI gets $230m and PCB $35mn.

Taking your highest estimation of 30 per cent. ICCs revenue loss is $180mn.

Since Pakistan will not be receiving anything. We substract 35mn.

So remaining deficit is 145mn.

If this entire deficit is entirely deducted from India, BCCI will still get 85mn usd a year.

IPL is unaffected by pakistanis.

So international cricket isn't on thin ice.

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan fell into a trap of its own making .there is no way out expect Hybrid model but now after so much shouting about we will not agree for hybrid model . Ominous sign for them .

 

[Sunny_majoka]

That estimation is way OTT.

Still i will humour you.

ICC's estimated earnings is $600mn.

Out of which BCCI gets $230m and PCB $35mn.

Taking your highest estimation of 30 per cent. ICCs revenue loss is $180mn.

Since Pakistan will not be receiving anything. We substract 35mn.

So remaining deficit is 145mn.

If this entire deficit is entirely deducted from India, BCCI will still get 85mn usd a year.

IPL is unaffected by pakistanis.

So international cricket isn't on thin ice.

How much loss will ICC face if India doesn't participate? Out of 600mn

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Pakistan fell into a trap of its own making .there is no way out expect Hybrid model but now after so much shouting about we will not agree for hybrid model . Ominous sign for them .

I don't think anyone can isolate Pakistan in cricket world. ICC must find a way in this deadlock

 

[Devadwal]

I don't think anyone can isolate Pakistan in cricket world. ICC must find a way in this deadlock

Hybrid models is best possible way but PCB already said they are not ready to accept the hybrid models .

After all the big talk PCB has no option but to accept the hybrid model .

 

[cricketjoshila]

How much loss will ICC face if India doesn't participate? Out of 600mn

ICCs total broadcast deal is worth approx $3.2bn.

Out of that Star is paying $3bn for the rights to broadcast in India.

Make the calculations.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't think anyone can isolate Pakistan in cricket world. ICC must find a way in this deadlock

Unless PCB decides to boycott ICC events its fine. But if PCB decides to boycott or even forfeit, they will invite their own isolation.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Indians fans have made not only BCCI rich but even ICC relevant. So yes, absolutely.

So, when will Indian fans help make the AIFF wealthy? Or is it because there is no India-Pakistan rivalry in football to spice things up? Football should be an easy sport to monetize, considering it’s played in so many countries, right? Are Indian fans failing there or are they waiting for Pakistan to take football seriously?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

How much loss will ICC face if India doesn't participate? Out of 600mn

600mn is the right answer.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan fell into a trap of its own making .there is no way out expect Hybrid model but now after so much shouting about we will not agree for hybrid model . Ominous sign for them .

What trap? They were simply trying to host an ICC tournament, just like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and India do. You were crying about a bad umpiring decision in the Aus A vs Ind A game, acting as if the whole world was against India. Yet, as a cricket fan, you fail to see what the BCCI is doing to the PCB for many years. It seems you are still upset about some Pakistani fans celebrating New Zealand's recent victory over India in India and want to settle the score.

I have had differences of opinion with @Rajdeep here, but I have noticed he has maintained a consistent stance on this matter across multiple ICC tournaments. Even I would respect the BCCI more if they took a firm stand and boycotted Pakistan in ICC tournaments. For instance, during group stages, BCCI could request the ICC not to place them in the same group. But we never see that happening, do we? Any idea why?

 

[sweep_shot]

This is the problem with some Indian fans. They behave as if the BCCI's money belongs to them. Many of these fans, who struggle to maintain a basic monthly balance in their savings accounts, are often the first to mock those with wealth. Yet, these same fans complain when supporters from other Asian countries don't back India during neutral matches.

Exactly.

They do bhangra over successes of other people. Cringy.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

ICCs total broadcast deal is worth approx $3.2bn.

Out of that Star is paying $3bn for the rights to broadcast in India.

Make the calculations.

Star isn't paying 3bn for only India matches, it's for whole tournament. You being the spokesperson of BCCI and Star please tell us the exact figure

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Unless PCB decides to boycott ICC events its fine. But if PCB decides to boycott or even forfeit, they will invite their own isolation.

Why PCB will boycott? They're not boycotting they just want what's belong to them.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Hybrid models is best possible way but PCB already said they are not ready to accept the hybrid models .

After all the big talk PCB has no option but to accept the hybrid model .

as we speak, ICC hasn't forced PCB to accept hybrid model

 

[Itachi]

One way or the other way, this CT will either establish or break the myth that India vs Pakistan still holds the same importance as in past & for survival of cricket.

Let this myth be busted.

 

[Giroux28]

One way or the other way, this CT will either establish or break the myth that India vs Pakistan still holds the same importance as in past & for survival of cricket.

Let this myth be busted.

It's no myth. It's a fact well at least from a broadcasters pov. ICC events may not be affected as much but you can safely say with out India v Pakistan matches it will be the end of Asian Cricket Council.

 

[nuttyprof]

As per reports, the lack of Pakistan-India matches would cause a financial loss of around $100 million for the Indian board.

So yes lets do it

Can you quote those reports ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Star isn't paying 3bn for only India matches, it's for whole tournament. You being the spokesperson of BCCI and Star please tell us the exact figure

$3bn for telecast rights of matches in India. Not India matches.

I am no one's spokesman. I share what is public knowledge.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

One way or the other way, this CT will either establish or break the myth that India vs Pakistan still holds the same importance as in past & for survival of cricket.

Let this myth be busted.

Finally an end of this annual drama of one game in the year.
Either we have bilateral games or none at all. One game is not worth the heart burn.

PCB is under Pakistani govt and BCCI is under BJP. It will be domestic political harakiri if both back out any stage. BCCI can absorb the expected loss in short an medium term easily. The metrics are not in favor of PCB on that front.

Let's witness the last march of International Cricket. Cricket was on track to be like Basketball/baseball, this crisis has accelerated the journey. RIP in International Cricket.

 

[rpant_gabba]

It's no myth. It's a fact well at least from a broadcasters pov. ICC events may not be affected as much but you can safely say with out India v Pakistan matches it will be the end of Asian Cricket Council.

you ca establusg that fact with unquestionable data right?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

you ca establusg that fact with unquestionable data right?

Most revenue generating matches are all India matches in any ICC tournament and India-Pakistan is one of the top, NOT THE TOP by several multiples as some Pakistani posters believe. ( The numbers from last two world cups show that)

PCB posters are only thinking about the India-Pakistan match, forgetting that during ICC tournaments some of the foreign teams have Indian corporates as their sponsors too. That source of revenue will diminish for other boards.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India and Pakistan should host their matches at the Wagah Border.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

India and Pakistan should host their matches at the Wagah Border.

Lol best suggestion, and Mr Modi and Nawaz should be umpires.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Most revenue generating matches are all India matches in any ICC tournament and India-Pakistan is one of the top, NOT THE TOP by several multiples as some Pakistani posters believe. ( The numbers from last two world cups show that)

PCB posters are only thinking about the India-Pakistan match, forgetting that during ICC tournaments some of the foreign teams have Indian corporates as their sponsors too. That source of revenue will diminish for other boards.

So if BCCI is that much confident that they can generate revenue by playing other teams in ICC tournaments and most importantly If they have policy to not play bilateral series and visit Pakistan.... then why playing against Pakistan in ICC tournaments? hypocrisy. Wake up bro your government is making you fool

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

So if BCCI is that much confident that they can generate revenue by playing other teams in ICC tournaments and most importantly If they have policy to not play bilateral series and visit Pakistan.... then why playing against Pakistan in ICC tournaments? hypocrisy. Wake up bro your government is making you fool

1. I have never called BCCI's stance, rather India's stance as a fair in this case. India wants to punish Pakistan and they are doing it in the manner they deem fit.
2. Already shared that India-Pakistan is not that big earner as most Pakistanis seem to believe. There is about 10-20% premium on advertisement rates at max compared to other India games. While when advertisers have to buy India game slots they are forced to buy non-India games as a package. Without India, the revenue for non-India game will be wiped out too. This is something non of the posters have understood. I can share you direct information from the broadcasters where the advertisers bid for ad slots.
3. The fool is your Mr. Naqvi. who is amplifying India-Pakistan match's importance to no end and also brushing under the carpet all the underhanded acts PCB has done to undermine BCCI and Indian cricket when it got the chance.
4. Again repeating same points again and again. Ads and sponsors from non-India games will also vanish without India. Will Pakistan compensate other teams for the losses incurred?

You might think that PCB must take a strong stance. Its a appreciable and courageous But I think the Pakistani posters are severely under estimating the cost. I know I know.. "WE dont care about cost" You are having the thought because your are not realizing how much the actual cost is gonna be and how deep down it will push Pakistan cricket into isolation.

 

[Farabi]

ICCs total broadcast deal is worth approx $3.2bn.

Out of that Star is paying $3bn for the rights to broadcast in India.

Make the calculations.

What is the source

 

[Usman Chadda]

1. I have never called BCCI's stance, rather India's stance as a fair in this case. India wants to punish Pakistan and they are doing it in the manner they deem fit.
2. Already shared that India-Pakistan is not that big earner as most Pakistanis seem to believe. There is about 10-20% premium on advertisement rates at max compared to other India games. While when advertisers have to buy India game slots they are forced to buy non-India games as a package. Without India, the revenue for non-India game will be wiped out too. This is something non of the posters have understood. I can share you direct information from the broadcasters where the advertisers bid for ad slots.
3. The fool is your Mr. Naqvi. who is amplifying India-Pakistan match's importance to no end and also brushing under the carpet all the underhanded acts PCB has done to undermine BCCI and Indian cricket when it got the chance.
4. Again repeating same points again and again. Ads and sponsors from non-India games will also vanish without India. Will Pakistan compensate other teams for the losses incurred?

You might think that PCB must take a strong stance. Its a appreciable and courageous But I think the Pakistani posters are severely under estimating the cost. I know I know.. "WE dont care about cost" You are having the thought because your are not realizing how much the actual cost is gonna be and how deep down it will push Pakistan cricket into isolation.

Please share proof to these claims.

We need figures here, not just essays kindly.

 

[nuttyprof]

Of course they aren't true cricket fans. Cricket fans want to see cricket matches between local rivals unless there is a genuine political reason why the game shouldn't be played. Attempting to bankrupt a cricket board is not really about cricket, the main motivation would be hatred.

Have you heard of ‘No true scotsman’ fallacy ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

What is the source

Google and you will find Various sources reporting the same figures.

ICC committee may propose 37% revenue share for BCCI from 2024-2027 cycle

New Delhi: In what could be a landmark move to further strengthen India’s standing in cricket, the International Cricket Council’s (ICC) all-powerful Finance & Commercial Affairs Committee (F&CA) is learnt to be working towards putting a working group in place to propose a new revenue sharing...

ppforum.pakpassion.net

This thread contains some info.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Have you heard of ‘No true scotsman’ fallacy ?

It sounds like a good way to avoid the question and dodge the debate.

 

[nuttyprof]

It sounds like a good way to avoid the question and dodge the debate.

It seems you are avoiding the question. Because you did not ask me any questions.

 

[HalBass9]

This seems logical.

India can bring 100 times more than what is sanctioned on them just through their presence.

But Pakistan alone can not bring justification of why they should be given excuse.

In our society, different people have different level of authorization and privilege. For example, a diplomat has way more privilege than me because he brings way more contribution than myself.

It is what it is. Life isn't fair.

Its a sport.

 

[HalBass9]

Pakistan fan's wish is going to be fulfilled very soon regarding why is india playing all others sport's when they are not playing cricket with them in pakistan. Indian Government is Taking very Hard stand and already refused to give permission to blind cricket team.

@Rajdeep now happy?

It was not a mere wish but rather a critique. Many Pakistanis hope that India would have fewer far-right religious extremists, however, such an expectation often amounts to wishful thinking.

 

[cogent]

Occam's razor from an objective POV:

India doesn't want to tour Pakistan.
Simple, India should sits out tournament.
Rest of teams have played in Pakistan recently.
SL replaces India.


It's obvious India wants to damage Pakistan's reputation and doesn't want it to succeed or do whatever is in its power to make it the untouchable . So it uses its monetary and political clout and acts like the bully in the room. The rest just want their share of money. The rest of the teams have played in Pakistan recently so it's only India that has the issue. On one hand India doesn't want to tour Pakistan because it openly says it is not safe and sponsors cross border terrorism but then goes on to play Pakistan in multiple tournaments.

 

[Itachi]

Its a sport.

The same principles gets applied across different aspects of life and society.

 

[Itachi]

Occam's razor from an objective POV:

India doesn't want to tour Pakistan.
Simple, India should sits out tournament.
Rest of teams have played in Pakistan recently.
SL replaces India.


It's obvious India wants to damage Pakistan's reputation and doesn't want it to succeed or do whatever is in its power to make it the untouchable . So it uses its monetary and political clout and acts like the bully in the room. The rest just want their share of money. The rest of the teams have played in Pakistan recently so it's only India that has the issue. On one hand India doesn't want to tour Pakistan because it openly says it is not safe and sponsors cross border terrorism but then goes on to play Pakistan in multiple tournaments.

India doesn't want to tour Pakistan.

Rest is your own projection based upon your own insecurities.

Everyone in the world isn't aiming to destroy you. Pakistan is becoming irrelevant in the grand scheme of things with performing more role of a puppet state along with self destruction mode with internal clashes no one needs to do anything, you yourself will make it extinct.

 

[Technics 1210]

PCB has BCCI by the crown jewels.

PCB will show the middle finger to the BCCI, and the smaller boards should follow suit.

Pakistan doesn't need to play India, India needs to play Pakistan, after all, got to fund the Saffron agenda.

 

[Hitman]

PCB has BCCI by the crown jewels.

PCB will show the middle finger to the BCCI, and the smaller boards should follow suit.

Pakistan doesn't need to play India, India needs to play Pakistan, after all, got to fund the Saffron agenda.

And that's why former PCB Chairman Najam Sethi decided to sue the BCCI only to get the PCB's teeth knocked down it's throat, right?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Pakistan is showing some resilience and trying to be tough but there are not many option left for them

If BCCI is not IN then ICC will side by them as we all know. There is nothing much PCB can do

 

[U$ofA]

Pakistan is showing some resilience and trying to be tough but there are not many option left for them

If BCCI is not IN then ICC will side by them as we all know. There is nothing much PCB can do

If this happens, will the ICC be held to the same scrutiny that the BCCI is?

How may threads will there be on this forum holding the ICC, heck even the PCB accountable?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It sounds like a good way to avoid the question and dodge the debate.

Ok I will assume your one true Scotsman fallacy was referring to the Scottish cricket team as I have no idea what else it could be about. Good day sir, this ends the discussion, whatever it was about.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Occam's razor from an objective POV:

India doesn't want to tour Pakistan.
Simple, India should sits out tournament.
Rest of teams have played in Pakistan recently.
SL replaces India.


It's obvious India wants to damage Pakistan's reputation and doesn't want it to succeed or do whatever is in its power to make it the untouchable . So it uses its monetary and political clout and acts like the bully in the room. The rest just want their share of money. The rest of the teams have played in Pakistan recently so it's only India that has the issue. On one hand India doesn't want to tour Pakistan because it openly says it is not safe and sponsors cross border terrorism but then goes on to play Pakistan in multiple tournaments.

This is bang on. You can bet any poster who hasn't addressed any of these points and instead indulged in going after the poster has been shaken to the core and is enraged that you have pinpointed India's motivations so bluntly. It seems like most of them don't want to admit BCCI intent even though their own posts have centred around exactly the things you have mentioned: intent is to damage Pakistan as much as possible, then use security issues as a mask for this intent because they can't say it publicly.

 

[NishanKonar]

This is bang on. You can bet any poster who hasn't addressed any of these points and instead indulged in going after the poster has been shaken to the core and is enraged that you have pinpointed India's motivations so bluntly. It seems like most of them don't want to admit BCCI intent even though their own posts have centred around exactly the things you have mentioned: intent is to damage Pakistan as much as possible, then use security issues as a mask for this intent because they can't say it publicly.

That's true. Intent is to wreck Pakistan's economy. Security issues are just an excuse. Just like USA imposed trade embargo on Cuba or sanctions on Iran

Point is what can Pakistan do about it. Honestly not much. Without India no CT 2025 will happen. U can take that in writing. Most cricket boards rely on ICC events for funding. Without India most tv networks & sponsors will back out or reduce their payments. It will be financial disaster. Other boards may be sympathetic towards India but their primary concern will be their own balance sheet

This recent T20 series between South & India only happened bcoz South Africa desperately needs a cash influx. Do u really think they will support Pakistan on this issue. Fat chance. Same is true for Sri Lanka , West Indies , NZ, Zimababwe. They all get these random T20 & ODI series every alternate year to ensure some cash influx in their bank accounts

Australia & England are not so reliant on ICC events but why wud they wanna poke the bear & jeopardize their relations with BCCI

 

[FearlessRoar]

Former Pakistan fast bowler Sohail Khan, during an interaction with a local media outlet:

"What does it mean that if they (India) don’t come to Pakistan, we won’t play cricket? If they don’t want to play with us, then that’s it—end of story."

"If they don’t want to come to Pakistan, then don’t come. If they aren’t coming, then let them be. Why are we pleading with them? Is cricket not happening elsewhere in the world?"

"Just make a final decision that from today onward, we will not play against India. That’s final. They simply can’t play with us. It’s as simple as that."

 

[FearlessRoar]

As Mohsin Naqvi said, 'The matter will be settled equally' so with the fixture of Pakistan U19 against India U19 for the ACC Men’s U19 Asia Cup 2024 on November 30, will Pakistan boycott it?

 

[SM1989]

Its clear we are heading towards a hybrid model.

Pakistan could forfeit the India match 2 days before and refuse to send the team to the neutral venue.

This would be a good way to protest how the ICC handled the whole affair by siding with India. It would rob the broadcasters of their big money match.

I think it would be a good middle finger to the whole set up and would force the ICC to consider Pak’s interests going forward as well. Because the ICC will know that the PCB will cut its own nose to spite its face and cause losses to the ICC as well.

 

[Varun]

The P in PCB stands for Pushover - Pakistan isn't going to do any forfeiting.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Its clear we are heading towards a hybrid model.

Pakistan could forfeit the India match 2 days before and refuse to send the team to the neutral venue.

This would be a good way to protest how the ICC handled the whole affair by siding with India. It would rob the broadcasters of their big money match.

I think it would be a good middle finger to the whole set up and would force the ICC to consider Pak’s interests going forward as well. Because the ICC will know that the PCB will cut its own nose to spite its face and cause losses to the ICC as well.

ABSOLUTELY YES!!!
BRING IT ON

 

[emranabbas]

Its clear we are heading towards a hybrid model.

Pakistan could forfeit the India match 2 days before and refuse to send the team to the neutral venue.

This would be a good way to protest how the ICC handled the whole affair by siding with India. It would rob the broadcasters of their big money match.

I think it would be a good middle finger to the whole set up and would force the ICC to consider Pak’s interests going forward as well. Because the ICC will know that the PCB will cut its own nose to spite its face and cause losses to the ICC as well.

What a nonsense post, pakistan has the upper hand, if Pakistan are going to accept hybrid model so will india to host pakistan for tournaments. Naqvi hasn't let india boss him about. Everything is on equality basis

 

[SM1989]

What a nonsense post, pakistan has the upper hand, if Pakistan are going to accept hybrid model so will india to host pakistan for tournaments. Naqvi hasn't let india boss him about. Everything is on equality basis

Say if the ICC refuses to give a legally binding agreement to allow Pakistan the hybrid option in tournaments hosted by India, then would this be a good way to protest?

 

[emranabbas]

Say if the ICC refuses to give a legally binding agreement to allow Pakistan the hybrid option in tournaments hosted by India, then would this be a good way to protest?

If icc refuses to give naqvi a legally binding agreement then the whole tournament is going to be in Pakistan with or without india. But the broadasters and the sponsors want a India vs Pakistan so Pakistan have a upper hand

 

[msb314]

If icc refuses to give naqvi a legally binding agreement then the whole tournament is going to be in Pakistan with or without india. But the broadasters and the sponsors want a India vs Pakistan so Pakistan have a upper hand

Bhai what are we going to do if ICC moves the tournament to SAF?

Yeah sure we can boycott but if that tournament is successful - then we’ll be done..

I still think a hybrid model is our only option butt we can still negotiate some concessions…

1. Final will be in Pakistan period..

2. Hybrid model for all iCC Tournaments in India too moving forward

3. Have a binding agreement for an India vs Pakistan bilateral series in the UAE… Or Tri Series with Australia too if that works better..

 

[Devadwal]

1. Final will be in Pakistan period..

2. Hybrid model for all iCC Tournaments in India too moving forward

3. Have a binding agreement for an India vs Pakistan bilateral series in the UAE… Or Tri Series with Australia too if that works better..

1) yes if india will not qualified for final

2) absolutely not

3) first part again not possible but agree with 2nd part Pakistan needs to talk with australia and for india to host a try series between them .it is actually good suggestions. This is how the negotiations done but I don't think PCB can think like this.

 

[prisha]

I hope India does not play this champions trophy it is so boring to see all this drama and hyper ventilation. Why not sit this out it’s not like as though world will end if we don’t play it. Let Pakistan enjoy the tournament with all the folks. The blame on Indian govt, bcci, icc (I mean jay shah poor guy I have never seen a smile on his face) is really so dramaesque. Naqvi seems to be a macho man so let him go all out on India like how he was on PTI “Final Call”.

 

[emranabbas]

Bhai what are we going to do if ICC moves the tournament to SAF?

Yeah sure we can boycott but if that tournament is successful - then we’ll be done..

I still think a hybrid model is our only option butt we can still negotiate some concessions…

1. Final will be in Pakistan period..

2. Hybrid model for all iCC Tournaments in India too moving forward

3. Have a binding agreement for an India vs Pakistan bilateral series in the UAE… Or Tri Series with Australia too if that works better..

There is no way the tournament is going to be moved outside of Pakistan, icc bends for India but it doesn't take its pants off and bends for India, ICC won't make a silly move like that it would be too obvious ICC are siding with BCCI
When ICC are using India for their money they will have to return some favours.

Pakistan won't boycott the tournament it has every right to host it and if they boycott it they will have to suffer a financial loss

Broadcasters and sponsors want an Indian vs Pakistan game because that's where they make most of the money in ICC tournaments so Pakistan has the upper hand here and can make demands. Without Pakistan this tournament will be a flop broadcasters will demand compensation from ICC and sponsors won't soonsor ICC

If Pakistan go for a hybrid model, India will have to go for a hybrid model too, that puts us in equal position with BCCI, Pakistan playing Australia or england in India isn't big as India vs Australia or any team In Pakistan, India are obsessed with pakistan and all the hype in India will be around Pakistan without Pakistan in India it will just be a dead tournament. But India playing in Pakistan or not won't bother the pakistanis or effect the tournament.

If Pakistan do go in hybrid model it will only accept the model if its in writing that same will be applied when india are hosting as we are aware India can't be trusted.

Finals will be in pakistan unless india qualifies and that has not been discussed yet

I wouldn't really go down the route of any bilateral series with India, it don't bother many pakistanis

 

[Saurav]

so hybrid model accepted by PCB

Hope they do what OP wants too.

 

[Itachi]

There is no way the tournament is going to be moved outside of Pakistan, icc bends for India but it doesn't take its pants off and bends for India, ICC won't make a silly move like that it would be too obvious ICC are siding with BCCI
When ICC are using India for their money they will have to return some favours.

So in short, Pakistan cricket board bow downs to its master i.e. ICC for the handouts which keeps PCB survive.

ICC bow downs to its master i.e. BCCI for money.

Win win situation.

I don't see why anyone wants to make things complicated.

 

[r3alist]

Pakistan had to be willing to pull out otherwise it's all just a charade

At this stage I don't think it's excessive for Pakistanis to effectively abdonon the sport, better to do it sooner than later, you should think about this seriously

Stop tuning in, stop caring,stop watching with the family

Slow death to minnow status or decisive conscious effort to take ownership?

There is a choice.

India with it's power and psychological dispensation will just keep Pak on life support, it's not a sport worth bothering with under those terms, it's a communal battle, there are no higher principles relevant right now

 

[Cricket Warrior]

so hybrid model accepted by PCB

Hope they do what OP wants too.

not officially yet

But surely it won’t be accepted until the demands of the PCB are also met

 

[The Bald Eagle]

As per reports, a PCB source has shared following thoughts on playing matches with India in future:

“We have presented a fair solution. If India does not accept it, they cannot expect us to send our team there in the future. If an ICC event is held in India, their team would also need to play finals or key matches in Dubai, ensuring parity,”

 

[sweep_shot]

As per reports, a PCB source has shared following thoughts on playing matches with India in future:

“We have presented a fair solution. If India does not accept it, they cannot expect us to send our team there in the future. If an ICC event is held in India, their team would also need to play finals or key matches in Dubai, ensuring parity,”

Yup. That's how it should be.

Very reasonable demand.

 

[JaDed]

As per reports, a PCB source has shared following thoughts on playing matches with India in future:

“We have presented a fair solution. If India does not accept it, they cannot expect us to send our team there in the future. If an ICC event is held in India, their team would also need to play finals or key matches in Dubai, ensuring parity,”

Wasn’t this demand done before as well and then the PCB changes and new person comes?
Entire thing is Deja vu