Refuse matches against India in ICC Tournaments at neutral venues and boycott ICC events in India - Does Pakistan have the courage to draw this line?

[Rajdeep]

If pakistan withdrawal from Champions trophy then there will be senction on PCB and all the revenue they get from ICC will be stopped .

We were told if Pakistan refuses to travel to India for WC 2023, there will be sanctions on them.

Now we are hearing if India refuses to travel to Pakistan and PCB withdraw from the tournament, then also the sanctions will be applied to Pakistan.

These sanctions seems pretty one sided to me.

Also, has there been any official source from ICC about these sanctions or these are just fearmongering?

I just hope PCB, BCCI and ICC takes a stand this time and solve this issue once and for all.

As a cricket fan, I cant take this drama every year.

 

[Devadwal]

We were told if Pakistan refuses to travel to India for WC 2023, there will be sanctions on them.

Now we are hearing if India refuses to travel to Pakistan and PCB withdraw from the tournament, then also the sanctions will be applied to Pakistan.

These sanctions seems pretty one sided to me.

Also, has there been any official source from ICC about these sanctions or these are just fearmongering?

I just hope PCB, BCCI and ICC takes a stand this time and solve this issue once and for all.

As a cricket fan, I cant take this drama every year.

This is you need to understand.

If india will boycott champion trophy than there will be penalty/ Sanctions because india is already signed the agreement to Play champion trophy . But India has no obligations to play champion trophy in pakistan as they haven't signed that agreement .

Same case for pakistan in world cup 2023 .

 

[Rajdeep]

This is you need to understand.

If india will boycott champion trophy than there will be penalty/ Sanctions because india is already signed the agreement to Play champion trophy . But India has no obligations to play champion trophy in pakistan as they haven't signed that agreement .

Same case for pakistan in world cup 2023 .

Maybe you are right but go back to the old posts here during WC 2023. There were talks of putting sanctions on Pakistan if they refuses to travel India for WC. That is why I am asking we need some official statement on these so called sanctions as they are used very loosely.

 

[Devadwal]

Maybe you are right but go back to the old posts here during WC 2023. There were talks of putting sanctions on Pakistan if they refuses to travel India for WC. That is why I am asking we need some official statement on these so called sanctions as they are used very loosely.

Dont expect anything clearly from ICC .they are handicapped organization. ICC is biggest culprit .

ICC should tell to india / pakistan - solved your political issue yourself . either play the ICC tournaments where it was orginal assigned or get lost , we will take next available team according to Rankings

This should be clear approach but ICC is useless .

 

[Extra_Cover]

What India has done and has been doing in the past decade especially after they managed to get clout over ICC through IPL is downright shameful.

We all know what India's policy is around Pakistan. India is happy to send their tennis team, blind cricket team, kabbadi team and even Jaishankar to Pakistan but for some reason they have very strong intel that folks in Lahore are only after the blood of Kohli, Sharma, Bumrah or Axar Patel for that matter. Never knew Jaishankar life would be a lower priority compared to Axar Patel. Anyways the idea is simple hurt Pakistan economically as the other sports don't really benefit Pakistan economically wise as much as cricket does.

The next point is what Pakistan can do in a situation like this where the bully in the classroom has more clout than the teacher in the classroom or principal in the school for that matter. In my opinion these are some of the things Pakistan should look to do in a situation like this.

Things Pakistan can do immediately

1. India vs Pakistan games at ICC events
Pakistan should look to write to ICC and request ICC that India and Pakistan should not be pooled together going forward in ICC events. Going forward if they are indeed pooled together then Pakistan in light of recent events have the right to boycott that particular game something in past we have seen ICC support when they allowed teams like England and Australia to boycott games against Zimbabwe. This move will not have a big impact per say but would hurt ICC in terms of total income from world events.

2. Claim compensation from ICC for stadium and other infrastructure upgrades
This upcoming Champions Trophy was literally the only event that was supposed to be held in Pakistan as per FTP released 5-6 years back. In a FTP of 10 years Pakistan got to host only one major competition and now it seems like that is also going to be taken away. Therefore PCB spent the necessary money to upgrade its stadiums to look the part in this upcoming tournament. PCB should now ask ICC to foot this bill as large chunk of money to recuperate would have come through with India playing most of its games in Lahore (Gaddafi stadium was uplifted). Now that India won't be playing in Lahore and there will no Indian contingent fans visiting Pakistan someone would have to foot this bill and given its ICC's mess they should do it.
Also its important to mention one thing in here, given India's clout over ICC and next set of FTP timetable for next 10 years will come through in next 2-3 years one can ascertain that India will flex its muscles and Pakistan will not be given even a single tournament to host in next FTP cycle. Its sad, its shameful, its disgusting but its a bully behaviour aka India.

Things PCB can look to do with legal advice

1. Ask for bi-lateral setup for tournaments planned to be solely in India
PCB with help of some legal advice can request ICC on same measures like India has requested (security reasons) that Pakistan games be held at neutral venues. I don't think this will stick but *** for tat kinda response or even a try would be good to keep fans satisfied that our board is not a complete roll over.

2. Register your protest
PCB should seek legal advice whether they can register their protest against BCCI by wearing black armbands in their games. Even interesting would be to have a sponsor logo on shirts saying "Safe Pakistan" to send a message out there. Further things they can do is hire a social media team and take players from Australia, England, etc to parts of Pakistan to send a message to cricket community that Pakistan is safe. Hire influencers, do podcasts with cricketers, etc, try send a message that if Cummins, Butler, Root, etc can come, play and inspire young folks in Pakistan then why can't Kohli, Sharma, etc. The world is driven by social media and given Pakistan is on the right side of morality on this issue PCB should raise awareness of this on social media and let the issue boil on there.

Things PCB can do to irk BCCI

1. PCB should look to play PSL on the same timeline as IPL
We have had debate on this matter previously and many folks on here disagreed with the idea suggesting PCB would not be able to get top talent in that situation. Folks need to look back at current year PSL and understand that "top talent" we attracted in PSL this year didn't even feature in IPL.
My personal opinion is that given its a massive window of 2 months and weather in Pakistan during that time is extremely pleasant to play cricket as well it would present a great opportunity to utilise that window and play PSL in that time. Timetables can be more relaxed and guaranteed no international clashes. In terms of impact there is not a material impact to PCB of this change if anything it might be positive. But on a broader outlook this would be a ballsy take on BCCI and something BCCI cannot do anything about. This might encourage other boards to stand up to BCCI in future for their stake and respect. I believe we need someone gutsy to do this and the whole nation will whole heartedly support it too.

Things PCB should actually be doing in cricket

1. Get the team in order and start winning
The best reply PCB can give to BCCI or ICC is by simply winning. The management should get behind the team and motivate each player not with money or fame but just let them know there are massive eyeballs out there on them now. The Pakistan team that turns up defines Pakistan cricket so be it cornered tigers or would it be lame ducks. I believe in my team and do believe they have potential to big up. I really hope we play as a team rather than individuals. Just win this thing and silence a bully.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Yep PCB should plainly refuse to play any match with India then.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Yep PCB should plainly refuse to play any match with India then.

Karlo, anyways it has been basically one match a year. India gains nothing from Pakistan. If India wins, it was expected and in the off chance Pakistan wins, Pakistanis use that win to troll for decades.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

What India has done and has been doing in the past decade especially after they managed to get clout over ICC through IPL is downright shameful.

We all know what India's policy is around Pakistan. India is happy to send their tennis team, blind cricket team, kabbadi team and even Jaishankar to Pakistan but for some reason they have very strong intel that folks in Lahore are only after the blood of Kohli, Sharma, Bumrah or Axar Patel for that matter. Never knew Jaishankar life would be a lower priority compared to Axar Patel. Anyways the idea is simple hurt Pakistan economically as the other sports don't really benefit Pakistan economically wise as much as cricket does.

The next point is what Pakistan can do in a situation like this where the bully in the classroom has more clout than the teacher in the classroom or principal in the school for that matter. In my opinion these are some of the things Pakistan should look to do in a situation like this.

Things Pakistan can do immediately

1. India vs Pakistan games at ICC events
Pakistan should look to write to ICC and request ICC that India and Pakistan should not be pooled together going forward in ICC events. Going forward if they are indeed pooled together then Pakistan in light of recent events have the right to boycott that particular game something in past we have seen ICC support when they allowed teams like England and Australia to boycott games against Zimbabwe. This move will not have a big impact per say but would hurt ICC in terms of total income from world events.

2. Claim compensation from ICC for stadium and other infrastructure upgrades
This upcoming Champions Trophy was literally the only event that was supposed to be held in Pakistan as per FTP released 5-6 years back. In a FTP of 10 years Pakistan got to host only one major competition and now it seems like that is also going to be taken away. Therefore PCB spent the necessary money to upgrade its stadiums to look the part in this upcoming tournament. PCB should now ask ICC to foot this bill as large chunk of money to recuperate would have come through with India playing most of its games in Lahore (Gaddafi stadium was uplifted). Now that India won't be playing in Lahore and there will no Indian contingent fans visiting Pakistan someone would have to foot this bill and given its ICC's mess they should do it.
Also its important to mention one thing in here, given India's clout over ICC and next set of FTP timetable for next 10 years will come through in next 2-3 years one can ascertain that India will flex its muscles and Pakistan will not be given even a single tournament to host in next FTP cycle. Its sad, its shameful, its disgusting but its a bully behaviour aka India.

Things PCB can look to do with legal advice

1. Ask for bi-lateral setup for tournaments planned to be solely in India
PCB with help of some legal advice can request ICC on same measures like India has requested (security reasons) that Pakistan games be held at neutral venues. I don't think this will stick but *** for tat kinda response or even a try would be good to keep fans satisfied that our board is not a complete roll over.

2. Register your protest
PCB should seek legal advice whether they can register their protest against BCCI by wearing black armbands in their games. Even interesting would be to have a sponsor logo on shirts saying "Safe Pakistan" to send a message out there. Further things they can do is hire a social media team and take players from Australia, England, etc to parts of Pakistan to send a message to cricket community that Pakistan is safe. Hire influencers, do podcasts with cricketers, etc, try send a message that if Cummins, Butler, Root, etc can come, play and inspire young folks in Pakistan then why can't Kohli, Sharma, etc. The world is driven by social media and given Pakistan is on the right side of morality on this issue PCB should raise awareness of this on social media and let the issue boil on there.

Things PCB can do to irk BCCI

1. PCB should look to play PSL on the same timeline as IPL
We have had debate on this matter previously and many folks on here disagreed with the idea suggesting PCB would not be able to get top talent in that situation. Folks need to look back at current year PSL and understand that "top talent" we attracted in PSL this year didn't even feature in IPL.
My personal opinion is that given its a massive window of 2 months and weather in Pakistan during that time is extremely pleasant to play cricket as well it would present a great opportunity to utilise that window and play PSL in that time. Timetables can be more relaxed and guaranteed no international clashes. In terms of impact there is not a material impact to PCB of this change if anything it might be positive. But on a broader outlook this would be a ballsy take on BCCI and something BCCI cannot do anything about. This might encourage other boards to stand up to BCCI in future for their stake and respect. I believe we need someone gutsy to do this and the whole nation will whole heartedly support it too.

Things PCB should actually be doing in cricket

1. Get the team in order and start winning
The best reply PCB can give to BCCI or ICC is by simply winning. The management should get behind the team and motivate each player not with money or fame but just let them know there are massive eyeballs out there on them now. The Pakistan team that turns up defines Pakistan cricket so be it cornered tigers or would it be lame ducks. I believe in my team and do believe they have potential to big up. I really hope we play as a team rather than individuals. Just win this thing and silence a bully.

Oh my!! This would be such an entertainment watching self-destruction .
I truly hope Pakistan and PCB proceeds on this path with staunch resolve!! Please do not deviate.
BCCI will have to shed the facade of being amicable towards cricket in Pakistan and openly use its leverage in a decisive fashion.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Oh my!! This would be such an entertainment watching self-destruction .
I truly hope Pakistan and PCB proceeds on this path with staunch resolve!! Please do not deviate.
BCCI will have to shed the facade of being amicable towards cricket in Pakistan and openly use its leverage in a decisive fashion.

With all due respect Pakistan cricket is currently at its lowest. In terms of cricket we have been humiliated in both ODI and T20 world cups and even at test cricket at home. Add to that the drama off the field with infighting, grouping, captaincy drama, management changes, player vs management scenarios, ego, etc (I can go on and on here). Its quite easy to say that Pakistan cricket was at lowest and with wins at home vs England and ODI series win against Australia we are just starting to find our feet and get stable.

In this situation all the Pakistan team needed was bit of a motivation and unity. Literally thanks to BCCI in this desperate hour you would see unity amongst all. Look at this forum for a change, critic or non-critic all are united on this point. I know nothing will come out of it concrete but it would be good to get united for a change and BCCI has helped in that regards.

 

[JaDed]

The deja vu on this forum is remarkable, @Savak do you remember your MOU threads along similar lines.

Heck truth is the only strong personality of Pakistan has been jailed who could had taken a stand against GOI.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

With all due respect Pakistan cricket is currently at its lowest. In terms of cricket we have been humiliated in both ODI and T20 world cups and even at test cricket at home. Add to that the drama off the field with infighting, grouping, captaincy drama, management changes, player vs management scenarios, ego, etc (I can go on and on here). Its quite easy to say that Pakistan cricket was at lowest and with wins at home vs England and ODI series win against Australia we are just starting to find our feet and get stable.

In this situation all the Pakistan team needed was bit of a motivation and unity. Literally thanks to BCCI in this desperate hour you would see unity amongst all. Look at this forum for a change, critic or non-critic all are united on this point. I know nothing will come out of it concrete but it would be good to get united for a change and BCCI has helped in that regards.

Karlo unity unity... Truly ZA Bhutto's grass eating sentiment hai.
You think its the lowest, Sorry I am an optimist, "Things are not so bad, it can always get worse".
Pakistan will find itself having unity in solitude. 20 years ago PCB might have had the muscle to challenge BCCI but now the gap is huuuuuuge! Its not a cricket field where both teams have 11 players.

 

[shariqnoor]

Pakistan should 100% play India in tournaments. Champions Trophy is an exception here because Pakistan is the host and should not leave its own country to go and play India. It was ridiculous in the Asia Cup, it's ridiculous now.

 

[W63L35]

Nothing different will happen and status quo will continue...

 

[SM1989]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855995763592982898

 

[MHN1293]

Why should we boycott Indian tournaments and sacrifice oppertunities to win silverware. If India does not want to come then so be it. They should be replaced. However if we are forced to hold a hybrid model then boycott makes sense

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Why should we boycott Indian tournaments and sacrifice oppertunities to win silverware. If India does not want to come then so be it. They should be replaced. However if we are forced to hold a hybrid model then boycott makes sense

Pakistan forced an entire Asia Cup 2018 out of India to UAE. No one cried about it.

 

[zn426]

Your angst filled post is the well deserved slow burning cost that Pakistan is paying for supporting terror as an open state policy.
Your failed attempt at satire actually helps heal the wounds of the terrible loss in Mumbai. It's heartwarming, when PCB and posts like yours are asking for fair treatment and saying "sports should not be linked to politics". Politics in sports is very Ok, when it suits Pakistan.

Let me know, when Pakistan plays against Israel. No Politics in Sports, right?

Pakistan played Afghanistan for years despite the Afghanistan insurgency getting thousands of Pakistanis killed. Heck, they developed Afghan cricket and helped built the cricketing culture until BCCI ran in to bribe ACB away with money. Did you see USA boycotting their T20 match this year despite all the acrimony in USA/Pakistan relations? No.

As far as "openly supporting terror", don't make me laugh. Which country was bankrolling Northern Alliance again?

 

[MHN1293]

Pakistan forced an entire Asia Cup 2018 out of India to UAE. No one cried about it.

And Asia cup 2023 was forced into a hybrid model so even stevens. When did Pakistan refuse to go to India for an ICC event?

 

[cricketjoshila]

What India has done and has been doing in the past decade especially after they managed to get clout over ICC through IPL is downright shameful.

We all know what India's policy is around Pakistan. India is happy to send their tennis team, blind cricket team, kabbadi team and even Jaishankar to Pakistan but for some reason they have very strong intel that folks in Lahore are only after the blood of Kohli, Sharma, Bumrah or Axar Patel for that matter. Never knew Jaishankar life would be a lower priority compared to Axar Patel. Anyways the idea is simple hurt Pakistan economically as the other sports don't really benefit Pakistan economically wise as much as cricket does.

The next point is what Pakistan can do in a situation like this where the bully in the classroom has more clout than the teacher in the classroom or principal in the school for that matter. In my opinion these are some of the things Pakistan should look to do in a situation like this.

Things Pakistan can do immediately

1. India vs Pakistan games at ICC events
Pakistan should look to write to ICC and request ICC that India and Pakistan should not be pooled together going forward in ICC events. Going forward if they are indeed pooled together then Pakistan in light of recent events have the right to boycott that particular game something in past we have seen ICC support when they allowed teams like England and Australia to boycott games against Zimbabwe. This move will not have a big impact per say but would hurt ICC in terms of total income from world events.

2. Claim compensation from ICC for stadium and other infrastructure upgrades
This upcoming Champions Trophy was literally the only event that was supposed to be held in Pakistan as per FTP released 5-6 years back. In a FTP of 10 years Pakistan got to host only one major competition and now it seems like that is also going to be taken away. Therefore PCB spent the necessary money to upgrade its stadiums to look the part in this upcoming tournament. PCB should now ask ICC to foot this bill as large chunk of money to recuperate would have come through with India playing most of its games in Lahore (Gaddafi stadium was uplifted). Now that India won't be playing in Lahore and there will no Indian contingent fans visiting Pakistan someone would have to foot this bill and given its ICC's mess they should do it.
Also its important to mention one thing in here, given India's clout over ICC and next set of FTP timetable for next 10 years will come through in next 2-3 years one can ascertain that India will flex its muscles and Pakistan will not be given even a single tournament to host in next FTP cycle. Its sad, its shameful, its disgusting but its a bully behaviour aka India.

Things PCB can look to do with legal advice

1. Ask for bi-lateral setup for tournaments planned to be solely in India
PCB with help of some legal advice can request ICC on same measures like India has requested (security reasons) that Pakistan games be held at neutral venues. I don't think this will stick but *** for tat kinda response or even a try would be good to keep fans satisfied that our board is not a complete roll over.

2. Register your protest
PCB should seek legal advice whether they can register their protest against BCCI by wearing black armbands in their games. Even interesting would be to have a sponsor logo on shirts saying "Safe Pakistan" to send a message out there. Further things they can do is hire a social media team and take players from Australia, England, etc to parts of Pakistan to send a message to cricket community that Pakistan is safe. Hire influencers, do podcasts with cricketers, etc, try send a message that if Cummins, Butler, Root, etc can come, play and inspire young folks in Pakistan then why can't Kohli, Sharma, etc. The world is driven by social media and given Pakistan is on the right side of morality on this issue PCB should raise awareness of this on social media and let the issue boil on there.

Things PCB can do to irk BCCI

1. PCB should look to play PSL on the same timeline as IPL
We have had debate on this matter previously and many folks on here disagreed with the idea suggesting PCB would not be able to get top talent in that situation. Folks need to look back at current year PSL and understand that "top talent" we attracted in PSL this year didn't even feature in IPL.
My personal opinion is that given its a massive window of 2 months and weather in Pakistan during that time is extremely pleasant to play cricket as well it would present a great opportunity to utilise that window and play PSL in that time. Timetables can be more relaxed and guaranteed no international clashes. In terms of impact there is not a material impact to PCB of this change if anything it might be positive. But on a broader outlook this would be a ballsy take on BCCI and something BCCI cannot do anything about. This might encourage other boards to stand up to BCCI in future for their stake and respect. I believe we need someone gutsy to do this and the whole nation will whole heartedly support it too.

Things PCB should actually be doing in cricket

1. Get the team in order and start winning
The best reply PCB can give to BCCI or ICC is by simply winning. The management should get behind the team and motivate each player not with money or fame but just let them know there are massive eyeballs out there on them now. The Pakistan team that turns up defines Pakistan cricket so be it cornered tigers or would it be lame ducks. I believe in my team and do believe they have potential to big up. I really hope we play as a team rather than individuals. Just win this thing and silence a bully.

Pakistan received $65mn from ICC as hosting fees. That money was used to upgrade stadiums.

Fat chance of "Indian Contingent" arriving in Lahore even if India was playing.

 

[TheSultan]

This should be the absolute bare minimum. Even If Pakistan play this tournament (hybrid or in SA), they should simply forfeit the India match.

if that kicks us out of the tournament, so be it.

 

[RexRex]

This should be the absolute bare minimum. Even If Pakistan play this tournament (hybrid or in SA), they should simply forfeit the India match.

if that kicks us out of the tournament, so be it.

Agreed. This is will jolt India to its senses.

 

[BouncerGuy]

This should be the absolute bare minimum. Even If Pakistan play this tournament (hybrid or in SA), they should simply forfeit the India match.

if that kicks us out of the tournament, so be it.

I like that step but I don't think PCB has the guts to do that.

ICC will be facing heavy losses if INDO-PAK clash is not happening.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I like that step but I don't think PCB has the guts to do that.

ICC will be facing heavy losses if INDO-PAK clash is not happening.

Pakistan will be facing losses. No annual revenue share. No hosting fees.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Any sane leader could do that, it's not as difficult as a particular media or people from a certain country suggest

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Any sane leader could do that, it's not as difficult as a particular media or people from a certain country suggest

No Sane leader would do it, you need a courageous one for this. Sanity will be to accept the reality and not antagonize world cricket every now and then and forcing them to choose between India and Pakistan. So for PCB has had insanse, incapable and spineless leadership.

It's definitely possible, future is all predictions by all. PCB might emerge stronger than before or can go down in dumps.
Past history suggests later might be the case. PSL has finally emerged profitable for the PCB (not sure what the status of the franchises is) but is still very much dependent on ICC revenue share. This is not the case for BCCI.

PCB needs allies to take on BCCI. Where is the alliance attempt by PCB?

 

[sweep_shot]

I like that step but I don't think PCB has the guts to do that.

ICC will be facing heavy losses if INDO-PAK clash is not happening.

ICC needs to face losses. Otherwise, it may continue to remain BCCI's pet.

Pakistan should boycott Indian games to shake up ICC a bit.

 

[rpant_gabba]

blast from the past..

A short-sighted decision

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Tauqir Zia's sudden, unilateral and mind-boggling decision to break "all cricketing relations with India" was nothing less than a rude shock for the lovers of the game in this country

www.espncricinfo.com

Another PCB chairman making threats to Indian cricket fro exercising their right.

didn't work out then. its not going to work out now.

India ignores Pakistan’s invitation

LAHORE, March 6: Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has ignored and failed to respond to Pakistan’s...

www.dawn.com

 

[U$ofA]

ICC needs to face losses. Otherwise, it may continue to remain BCCI's pet.

Pakistan should boycott Indian games to shake up ICC a bit.

Evidence suggests that the ICC likes to be BCCI's pet. Because not being one would require them to actually work for their fat paychecks. Now why would they do that when all is well and BCCI $$$ keep flowing in.

For the ICC, BCCI $$$ come in, they distribute some of it to the boards, keep the rest and then do nothing but wait till the next "truck load" off BCCI $$$ shows up at their door step. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

blast from the past..

A short-sighted decision

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Tauqir Zia's sudden, unilateral and mind-boggling decision to break "all cricketing relations with India" was nothing less than a rude shock for the lovers of the game in this country

www.espncricinfo.com

Another PCB chairman making threats to Indian cricket fro exercising their right.

didn't work out then. its not going to work out now.

India ignores Pakistan’s invitation

LAHORE, March 6: Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has ignored and failed to respond to Pakistan’s...

www.dawn.com

I have a feeling PCB will not budge this time.

Mohsin Naqvi is pandering to his domestic politics and projecting himself as the strong man of Pakistan by standing up to the bully Hindu BCCI. It doesn't matter that it might end up damaging Pakistan cricket in the medium term. He will have his domestic political win.
Now the question for BCCI and Jay Shah will be as to how extremely they are willing to cut the chord with PCB? Will they accommodate a stubborn PCB or punish Naqvi for his defiance?

 

[Itachi]

We were told if Pakistan refuses to travel to India for WC 2023, there will be sanctions on them.

Now we are hearing if India refuses to travel to Pakistan and PCB withdraw from the tournament, then also the sanctions will be applied to Pakistan.

These sanctions seems pretty one sided to me.

Also, has there been any official source from ICC about these sanctions or these are just fearmongering?

I just hope PCB, BCCI and ICC takes a stand this time and solve this issue once and for all.

As a cricket fan, I cant take this drama every year.

This seems logical.

India can bring 100 times more than what is sanctioned on them just through their presence.

But Pakistan alone can not bring justification of why they should be given excuse.

In our society, different people have different level of authorization and privilege. For example, a diplomat has way more privilege than me because he brings way more contribution than myself.

It is what it is. Life isn't fair.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I have a feeling PCB will not budge this time.

Mohsin Naqvi is pandering to his domestic politics and projecting himself as the strong man of Pakistan by standing up to the bully Hindu BCCI. It doesn't matter that it might end up damaging Pakistan cricket in the medium term. He will have his domestic political win.
Now the question for BCCI and Jay Shah will be as to how extremely they are willing to cut the chord with PCB? Will they accommodate a stubborn PCB or punish Naqvi for his defiance?

In other words, he is doing exactly what Tauqir zia did. PCB came crawling back and Vajpayee in his idiocy reciprocated

The economics are more in favor of BCCI compared to 2001

 

[HARKS]

In other words, he is doing exactly what Tauqir zia did. PCB came crawling back and Vajpayee in his idiocy reciprocated

The economics are more in favor of BCCI compared to 2001

Vajpee is one of kind , he truly want to mend relationship with pakistan otherwise no human would trust Pakistanis after what they did to him in Kargil. But his naivety and kind heart also brought his downfall and followed up by Mumbai attacks. Pakistan missed huge last chance to settle many issues on equal footing but that train has left the station already hereafter india will get more stronger and stronger and in future will more tougher leader than modi.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

No Sane leader would do it, you need a courageous one for this. Sanity will be to accept the reality and not antagonize world cricket every now and then and forcing them to choose between India and Pakistan. So for PCB has had insanse, incapable and spineless leadership.

It's definitely possible, future is all predictions by all. PCB might emerge stronger than before or can go down in dumps.
Past history suggests later might be the case. PSL has finally emerged profitable for the PCB (not sure what the status of the franchises is) but is still very much dependent on ICC revenue share. This is not the case for BCCI.

PCB needs allies to take on BCCI. Where is the alliance attempt by PCB?

Nope when you are on right, the allies become secondary. PCB just need to hold its ground, if they done that successfully then BCCI would be the one to cower.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Nope when you are on right, the allies become secondary. PCB just need to hold its ground, if they done that successfully then BCCI would be the one to cower.

Now that's just wishful thinking ain't it? Did it matter or help BCCI or India when PCB and Pakistan exercised their leverage in the past.

Well, I think Mohsin Naqvi and Shehbaz Shariff have shown much sturdier spine than Imran Khan and PTI. Respect for the current establishment for actually having the guts to stand upto to BCCI.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I repeat you guys are living in fantasy if you think BCCI has some absolute veto power even to exercise such power one needs a tangible reason and the security gaffe doesn't serve the purpose

Now that's just wishful thinking ain't it? Did it matter or help BCCI or India when PCB and Pakistan exercised their leverage in the past.

Well, I think Mohsin Naqvi and Shehbaz Shariff have shown much sturdier spine than Imran Khan and PTI. Respect for the current establishment for actually having the guts to stand upto to BCCI.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I repeat you guys are living in fantasy if you think BCCI has some absolute veto power even to exercise such power one needs a tangible reason and the security gaffe doesn't serve the purpose

Well, if a nation is not willing to compete in a tournament. They are simply removed and next in line enters the tournament. Or if done on very short notice, tournament proceeds with one less team.

ICC is not even contemplating that and neither PCB has asked to replace India by SL. Just proposing dumb compromises of short travel between Lahore and amritsar. Why is PCB so scared to ask SL as replacement if India is not willing to come? Show proper guts.

 

[Dhakar Pola]

At the current situation this is like shooting at your own feet. Just because you have the balls doesn't mean you should shoot at your own feet

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Well, if a nation is not willing to compete in a tournament. They are simply removed and next in line enters the tournament. Or if done on very short notice, tournament proceeds with one less team.

ICC is not even contemplating that and neither PCB has asked to replace India by SL. Just proposing dumb compromises of short travel between Lahore and amritsar. Why is PCB so scared to ask SL as replacement if India is not willing to come? Show proper guts.

At the moment, there is no clarity about what's going on behind the curtains. Well your proposal is reasonable

 

[emranabbas]

We were told if Pakistan refuses to travel to India for WC 2023, there will be sanctions on them.

Now we are hearing if India refuses to travel to Pakistan and PCB withdraw from the tournament, then also the sanctions will be applied to Pakistan.

These sanctions seems pretty one sided to me.

Also, has there been any official source from ICC about these sanctions or these are just fearmongering?

I just hope PCB, BCCI and ICC takes a stand this time and solve this issue once and for all.

As a cricket fan, I cant take this drama every year.

Bro, there’s nothing official yet, it's just people like Joshila and others trying to scare Pakistanis and push their own narrative.

The official timeline so far is:

1. The BCCI has written to the ICC, stating their refusal to travel to Pakistan for the 2025 Champions Trophy.
2. The ICC has relayed this message to the PCB.
3. The PCB is now asking for clarification through the ICC on the reasons behind this decision.

Best to wait for BCCI response.

 

[Rajdeep]

At the current situation this is like shooting at your own feet. Just because you have the balls doesn't mean you should shoot at your own feet

Actually PCB is giving a better fight this time. I expected them to have buckled under pressure by now but they are handling the pascal well so far. However, by this weekend they are expected to surrender, else Jay Shah have to indulge his papa.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

At the moment, there is no clarity about what's going on behind the curtains. Well your proposal is reasonable

Let me tell you why SL as a replacement is not being considered.
Short term:
1. Heavy losses for broadcasters and boards. The loss would be worse than 2007 ODI World Cup
2. BCCI might very well organize a parallel tournament with SL, WI and Zim. You might even have a few more drop outs from Australia, Afghanistan and England citing flimsy security concerns. It will crazy wild if this happens, but the probability of such a scenario is not zero.

Medium Term:
1. PCB can never use a threat of boycott for tournaments in India. BCCI will simply move ahead with Asia Cup and ICC tournaments without bothering what PCB wants.
2. Speculative: BCCI will issue informal bans on any player or entity associating even a slightly with PCB or PSL.
3. Expansion of IPL and reduction of ICC events.

Long Term:
1. No ICC tournament will be organized in Pakistan.
2. Or maybe end of ICC as we know it. We might have the Big 3 model in place.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Actually PCB is giving a better fight this time. I expected them to have buckled under pressure by now but they are handling the pascal well so far. However, by this weekend they are expected to surrender, else Jay Shah have to indulge his papa.

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Basically, no permission from the Govt. of India. Govt. doesn't need to justify its concerns to a sporting body like ICC.

 

[Devadwal]

Actually PCB is giving a better fight this time. I expected them to have buckled under pressure by now but they are handling the pascal well so far. However, by this weekend they are expected to surrender, else Jay Shah have to indulge his papa.

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ICC is also thinking about Postponed the champion trophy if no solution found.

 

[emranabbas]

Let me tell you why SL as a replacement is not being considered.
Short term:
1. Heavy losses for broadcasters and boards. The loss would be worse than 2007 ODI World Cup
2. BCCI might very well organize a parallel tournament with SL, WI and Zim. You might even have a few more drop outs from Australia, Afghanistan and England citing flimsy security concerns. It will crazy wild if this happens, but the probability of such a scenario is not zero.

Medium Term:
1. PCB can never use a threat of boycott for tournaments in India. BCCI will simply move ahead with Asia Cup and ICC tournaments without bothering what PCB wants.
2. Speculative: BCCI will issue informal bans on any player or entity associating even a slightly with PCB or PSL.
3. Expansion of IPL and reduction of ICC events.

Long Term:
1. No ICC tournament will be organized in Pakistan.
2. Or maybe end of ICC as we know it. We might have the Big 3 model in place.

Nice fantasy

 

[emranabbas]

ICC is also thinking about Postponed the champion trophy if no solution found.

Source?

 

[Itachi]

I repeat you guys are living in fantasy if you think BCCI has some absolute veto power even to exercise such power one needs a tangible reason and the security gaffe doesn't serve the purpose

BCCI hasn't even used veto power.

It simply refused to play in Pakistan.

If an ICC tournament becomes failure due to non playing of only ONE Nation, then it means, That Country can dictate term if it wants to but not abusing THAT power as of yet. The world of cricket should be grateful to BCCI.

 

[Itachi]

Source?

Where are your sources for your claims? When some one asks this same question, you ask them to shut up and sit down.

Hypocrisy of you is the irony

 

[emranabbas]

Where are your sources for your claims? When some one asks this same question, you ask them to shut up and sit down.

Hypocrisy of you is the irony

What source you want?

 

[Devadwal]

Source?

Nothing confirmed ,all are rumour as of now .

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Nice fantasy

Yes it's a fantasy because the premise of those suppositions is that PCB's spine will remain firm.

 

[Devadwal]

@Rajdeep another surprise news ,watch the " How to play on front foot " journalists live report .

 

[Rajdeep]

@Rajdeep another surprise news ,watch the " How to play on front foot " journalists live report .

I am in office bro...can't watch. Pls tell what is the late breaking development? All I want to see is Rohit Sharma lifting that cup in Lahore Gaddafi stadium. Is that happening or not?

 

[emranabbas]

I am in office bro...can't watch. Pls tell what is the late breaking development? All I want to see is Rohit Sharma lifting that cup in Lahore Gaddafi stadium. Is that happening or not?

That's not happening unfortunately

rohit and team are shivering since they seen sajid don and nomi chacha

 

[Devadwal]

I am in office bro...can't watch. Pls tell what is the late breaking development? All I want to see is Rohit Sharma lifting that cup in Lahore Gaddafi stadium. Is that happening or not?

BCCI Dossier is ready about why they are not sending the Indian team .


Second if pakistan pullout from champion trophy than india is likely to host the champion trophy .

 

[Rajdeep]

BCCI Dossier is ready about why they are not sending the Indian team .


Second if pakistan pullout from champion trophy than india is likely to host the champion trophy .

Dossier?

Anyway, If this tournament moves to India, will we play the final in Modi Stadium again?

 

[emranabbas]

BCCI Dossier is ready about why they are not sending the Indian team .


Second if pakistan pullout from champion trophy than india is likely to host the champion trophy .

More fantasies

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Dossier

Anyway, If this tournament moves to India, will we play the final in Modi Stadium again?

Play in Gadaffi stadium bhai... Burn that crappy stadium and its horrible memories.

 

[Rajdeep]

Also, @Devadwal that dossier story if true is silly. Basically we are saying that since Pakistan did 26/11 attacks we are not sending our team to play there. But we have no problem in playing them in other venues and also intentionally put both the teams in same group in all ICC and ACC events since 2012. So we are back into step 1.

Agree or not?

 

[mominsaigol]

Genuinely speaking, The way India is behaving is wrong and the logical solution is to replace India with Sri Lanka.

India Is behaving like a child, cause their using their own money and greed and utilising it as a leverage to play Champions Trophy whereas any respectful Nation would withdraw from a country and allow sri lanka to take its place and they wouldn't use revenue as a bargaining chip.

However with that being said, India will continue to behave this way and as long as they do, Pakistan has no choice but to accept a hybrid model and teams will be forced to travel back and forth.

It's pcb's best option because otherwise I guarantee you, icc will just move the tournament to South Africa and call it a day.

Pakistan can boycott and ve replaced with sri lanka, For india not so much.

In the same way you can't just boot out Donald trump as president just cause you hate him, You can't boot out India just cause you hate them. They got the powa

 

[Devadwal]

Dossier?

Anyway, If this tournament moves to India, will we play the final in Modi Stadium again?

You are underestimating BCCI like Pakistan fans , they are thinking about long term rather than just for this tournament .

BCCi simply can't give Normal security reasons because pakistan can use in future so they are giving a dossier with full details . BCCI also Added Rohit,virat etc are Big start player's and they are definitely on Targets by non State actors living in pakistan .

If pakistan Pullout from Champion trophy and it will held in india than this will be biggest humiliation for PCB.

And this will be exposed Pakistan's stands like we are too important like BCCI and ICC cant host a ICC Events without us.

as i said uncountable time ,BCCI is always two steps ahead of PCB.

Now PCB will think twice before any Emotional decision and likely to accept hybrid model .

Jay Shah Supremacy .

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

We were told if Pakistan refuses to travel to India for WC 2023, there will be sanctions on them.

Now we are hearing if India refuses to travel to Pakistan and PCB withdraw from the tournament, then also the sanctions will be applied to Pakistan.

These sanctions seems pretty one sided to me.

Also, has there been any official source from ICC about these sanctions or these are just fearmongering?

I just hope PCB, BCCI and ICC takes a stand this time and solve this issue once and for all.

As a cricket fan, I cant take this drama every year.

 

[Devadwal]

@Rajdeep @Bhaag Viru Bhaag

Kumbh ke mele m bichadne ke kafi time bad dono ka milan .

 

[Rajdeep]

@Rajdeep @Bhaag Viru Bhaag

Kumbh ke mele m bichadne ke kafi time bad dono ka milan .



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This guy single handedly raising BP of entire India and Pakistan with his daily breaking news

 

[Devadwal]

You are underestimating BCCI like Pakistan fans , they are thinking about long term rather than just for this tournament .

BCCi simply can't give Normal security reasons because pakistan can use in future so they are giving a dossier with full details . BCCI also Added Rohit,virat etc are Big start player's and they are definitely on Targets by non State actors living in pakistan .

If pakistan Pullout from Champion trophy and it will held in india than this will be biggest humiliation for PCB.

And this will be exposed Pakistan's stands like we are too important like BCCI and ICC cant host a ICC Events without us.

as i said uncountable time ,BCCI is always two steps ahead of PCB.

Now PCB will think twice before any Emotional decision and likely to accept hybrid model .

Jay Shah Supremacy .

The dossier details which BCCI will send to ICC .

Cross Border Terrorism: Highlighting the ongoing security concerns due to terrorism originating from Pakistan.

Risk to Indian Players: Emphasising that Indian cricketers could be prime targets for terrorist attacks in Pakistan.

Historical Incidents: Including the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team's bus in Lahore as a precedent.

Recent Terrorist Activities: Cataloguing significant terrorist attacks in the region, particularly focusing on those within the last 12-14 months.

Comprehensive Terror Timeline: Detailing all relevant terrorist incidents since the 2008 Mumbai attacks (26/11).

 

[shah9425]

The dossier details which BCCI will send to ICC .

Cross Border Terrorism: Highlighting the ongoing security concerns due to terrorism originating from Pakistan.

Risk to Indian Players: Emphasising that Indian cricketers could be prime targets for terrorist attacks in Pakistan.

Historical Incidents: Including the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team's bus in Lahore as a precedent.

Recent Terrorist Activities: Cataloguing significant terrorist attacks in the region, particularly focusing on those within the last 12-14 months.

Comprehensive Terror Timeline: Detailing all relevant terrorist incidents since the 2008 Mumbai attacks (26/11).

Hahaha

Would love to read this piece of rubbish

 

[rpant_gabba]

Also, @Devadwal that dossier story if true is silly. Basically we are saying that since Pakistan did 26/11 attacks we are not sending our team to play there. But we have no problem in playing them in other venues and also intentionally put both the teams in same group in all ICC and ACC events since 2012. So we are back into step 1.

Agree or not?

think you have been affected by Gandhi Nehru virus or have this "we should be better than them" liberal disease.

The GOI goal is very simple. leverage all India strengths to limit Pak and PCB gains from Indian market.

Its an added bonus that PCB/Pak's past behavior is being replicated and has nice sting to it.

Its confusing as to why you want to sit in the ivory tower on this matter

 

[cogent]

It's foolish to be forfeiting games for Pakistan. How does that help you lol? It's India refusing to play in Pakistan and you're going to forfeit games yourself? It's India who claims that Pakistan is not safe and has issues playing with Pakistan. You're the host nation. Even India doesn't refuse playing with Pakistan despite their claims of Pakistan sponsoring terrorism in India. The firm stance Pakistan can take is to have the entire CT in Pakistan.

Honestly, don't see PCB or Pakistanis having the spine or the political clout to challenge anything.

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan fan's wish is going to be fulfilled very soon regarding why is india playing all others sport's when they are not playing cricket with them in pakistan. Indian Government is Taking very Hard stand and already refused to give permission to blind cricket team.

@Rajdeep now happy?

 

[Giroux28]

Pakistan fan's wish is going to be fulfilled very soon regarding why is india playing all others sport's when they are not playing cricket with them in pakistan. Indian Government is Taking very Hard stand and already refused to give permission to blind cricket team.

@Rajdeep now happy?

Good. Next there should be no group fixtures between two teams in ICC events or Asia Cup. If either country is hosting an event. It will ALWAYS be in a hybrid model

In the likelihood of teams qualifying and or facing each other in knockouts or the finals. The games should also be played at neutral venues.

This won't have much affect on the Asia Cup next year as India wouldn't have any issues hosting it on neutral venues as they always have.

Now we come to 3 other ICC events which are going to take place in India? I know it's going to be co hosted by Sri Lanka and Bangladesh but what happens if Pakistan qualifies for knockouts or the final?

Will BCCI be okay with these BIG matches hosted at neutral venues?

 

[rpant_gabba]

Good. Next there should be no group fixtures between two teams in ICC events or Asia Cup. If either country is hosting an event. It will ALWAYS be in a hybrid model

Why? Ind was ready to do WC23 w/o Pak and will ready to do so in the future. Pak is welcome to sit at home.

In the likelihood of teams qualifying and or facing each other in knockouts or the finals. The games should also be played at neutral venues.

no.

This won't have much affect on the Asia Cup next year as India wouldn't have any issues hosting it on neutral venues as they always have.

no. Hope its going to be a proper showdown and PCB wil find out their stance

Now we come to 3 other ICC events which are going to take place in India? I know it's going to be co hosted by Sri Lanka and Bangladesh but what happens if Pakistan qualifies for knockouts or the final?

Will BCCI be okay with these BIG matches hosted at neutral venues?

No it won't. Thats why BCCI is working in pushing PCB into corner to get an answer once and for all

 

[Giroux28]

Why? Ind was ready to do WC23 w/o Pak and will ready to do so in the future. Pak is welcome to sit at home.

no.

no. Hope its going to be a proper showdown and PCB wil find out their stance

No it won't. Thats why BCCI is working in pushing PCB into corner to get an answer once and for all

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

As for you comment on Asia Cup. A proper shut down? And how would they do that? This isn't the ICC where BCCI could play it their way.

A Pakistan boycott from the Asia Cup will pretty much be the end of ACC and good luck for the broadcasters promoting India v Lanka / Bdesh / Afg and Nepal as rivalries

 

[rpant_gabba]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

we saw PCB folding over asia cup23 and WC23.

As for you comment on Asia Cup. A proper shut down? And how would they do that? This isn't the ICC where BCCI could play it their way.

A Pakistan boycott from the Asia Cup will pretty much be the end of ACC and good luck for the broadcasters promoting India v Lanka / Bdesh / Afg and Nepal as rivalries

Pak had the opportunity to do just that last year.

a board which is pirating broadcast streams doesn't have the cajones or pride to walk away from fairly easy money

 

[Giroux28]

we saw PCB folding over asia cup23 and WC23.

Pak had the opportunity to do just that last year.

a board which is pirating broadcast streams doesn't have the cajones or pride to walk away from fairly easy money

If I'm correct Mohsin Naqvi will be next President of the ACC.

Very good chance we could see a repeat of 2023. An Asia Cup mostly likely held in the UAE and if he wants be like Jay Shah it will be with no host names on the official logo or the jerseys.

 

[rpant_gabba]

If I'm correct Mohsin Naqvi will be next President of the ACC.

Very good chance we could see a repeat of 2023. An Asia Cup mostly likely held in the UAE and if he wants be a d"$# like Jay Shah it will be with no host names on the official logo or the jerseys.

Asia cup 2023 was pay back for Najam sethi Asia cup 2018.

I personally want to zero sporting or social contact with pakistan until bigger issues are solved.

 

[Giroux28]

Asia cup 2023 was pay back for Najam sethi Asia cup 2018.

I personally want to zero sporting or social contact with pakistan until bigger issues are solved.

Well this will be Naqvi's pay back for CT25.

And I can tell you the feeling is mutual.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Well this will be Naqvi's pay back for CT25.

i.e. if he gets the opportunity. ACC & ICC might be ready to move on from PCB

And I can tell you the feeling is mutual.

Good. we are both want the same thing.

 

[Giroux28]

i.e. if he gets the opportunity. ACC & ICC might be ready to move on from PCB

Oh he'll get his chance. Maybe not when it comes to CT because of how spineless ICC is but I'm sure he's looking forward to managing the ACC.

Maybe he won't go to the extreme and pull a Shah low d#*& move and remove India's name from logos and jerseys but he'll push for the good old hybrid model

India can play Nepal and Bangladesh at home then....

Hababi!! Come to Dubai!

 

[rpant_gabba]

Oh he'll get his chance. Maybe not when it comes to CT because of how spineless ICC is but I'm sure he's looking forward to managing the ACC.

Maybe he won't go to the extreme and pull a Shah low d#*& move and remove India's name from logos and jerseys but he'll push for the good old hybrid model

India can play Nepal and Bangladesh at home then....

Hababi!! Come to Dubai!

Maybe there will be no Asia cup. BCCI could decide to walk away from ACc.

If they can icc abandon PCB, how hard will it be with ACC

 

[u0sama]

I have a solution, Play hybrid Champions Trophy (India play there game in India) and PCB should play t20 2026 world cup as hybrid (Play there game in Pak)

 

[Giroux28]

Maybe there will be no Asia cup. BCCI could decide to walk away from ACc.

If they can icc abandon PCB, how hard will it be with ACC

Well the way how CT drama is being handled I doubt the AC25 happens. I don't think either boards will lose sleep over it though. Would suck for the little guys like Nepal and Afghanistan and maybe the broadcaster.

And If it were that easy to just "abandon" PCB then they would have done it already. ICC is not being able to resolve this current CT matter is further proof how useless it is.