When did things start going wrong between India and Bangladesh?

[LastManstanding]

Jagmohan Dalmiya was instrumental in getting Bangladesh test status. They played their first ever test against India. So when exactly did things turn sour between the two neighbors. Was it when :

1) Virender Sehwag called Bangladesh an "ordinary" side?

2) MS Dhoni shoulder-barged an out-of-line Mustafizur Rahman?

3) Rubel Hossain was no-balled for that full-toss to Rohit?

4) Taskin Ahmed was called for a suspect action and sections of the Bangladeshi press suggested it was India’s handiwork?

Discuss

 

[marlonbrowndo]

It was a build up of things including some of the ones mentioned that culminated during that 2015 semi final game especially because of that no ball call

 

[Statsman]

Poster with Dhoni's head in Taskin's hand before the Asia cup didn't help matters.

Also Mushfiqur publicly celebrating India's loss more than the other team's win.

 

[R0H1T]

Jagmohan Dalmiya was instrumental in getting Bangladesh test status. They played their first ever test against India. So when exactly did things turn sour between the two neighbors. Was it when :

1) Virender Sehwag called Bangladesh an "ordinary" side?

2) MS Dhoni shoulder-barged an out-of-line Mustafizur Rahman?

3) Rubel Hossain was no-balled for that full-toss to Rohit?

4) Taskin Ahmed was called for a suspect action and sections of the Bangladeshi press suggested it was India’s handiwork?

Discuss

Well they were an ordinary side back then, PPers generally agreed with the sentiment as well.

Where it's gone wrong IMO is that BD supporters are trying to interject themselves in the traditional Indo/Pak rivalry, in other words they think they're better than Pak & so have the legitimate claim to challenge India as the best Asian side. That some of their players also think something like that, remember the WT20 celebrations, doesn't help their cause.

 

[Cosmic]

Pakistan Invited Bangladesh in 2003 or 2004 which Revives Inzamam Career; But I don't know why it takes so late for india to invite them for tests.. India is always small heart !!!....

 

[Madplayer]

I think it all started when Bangladesh became a decent side and started believing they can beat bigger teams.

 

[Drreddymd]

I understand that fans can be naive but bangladesh players are too volatile, naive, picking up fights with opponents and emotionally underdeveloped as well

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

How did you miss the mauka mauka ad by Star for 2015 WC. That was what hurt the BD fans the most and since then its has been a downward spiral

 

[Statsman]

How did you miss the mauka mauka ad by Star for 2015 WC. That was what hurt the BD fans the most and since then its has been a downward spiral

Weren't the mauka ads in reference to Pakistani fans, who in fact took them in the right spirit?

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Exactly about what 'Wrong' you are pointing at???

BCB and BCCI had always been friends and still today. Why bcci didn't called us is very well understandable by bcb or us. It's all economy,nothing about bad relations.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Adding to my previous post...

All you have mentioned did/does create rivalry passion among the players and among the fans obviously but it had/has nothing to do within the boards.

 

[Ankit007]

Adding to my previous post...

All you have mentioned did/does create rivalry passion among the players and among the fans obviously but it had/has nothing to do within the boards.

Actually OP is pointing towards the internet rivalry between fans of two sides...

And I think it started in 2015 wc... In 2007 wc when we lost things were not so bad. In 2011 as well everything was fine but when ban reached QF of 2015 wc.. they thought that no ball costed them match. However they would've still lost but at that time it all started

 

[Pollack]

Things are and would always remain wrong between India and Pakistan/Bangladesh

 

[Swanny]

India sent A team to BD which angered lots of BD fans & then Binny happened.

 

[Syed1]

How did you miss the mauka mauka ad by Star for 2015 WC. That was what hurt the BD fans the most and since then its has been a downward spiral

Sir Mauka Mauka was against Pakistan

 

[Asim2Good]

Could it be when BD kicked India out of WC2007?

 

[amit]

Jagmohan Dalmiya was instrumental in getting Bangladesh test status. They played their first ever test against India. So when exactly did things turn sour between the two neighbors. Was it when :

1) Virender Sehwag called Bangladesh an "ordinary" side?

2) MS Dhoni shoulder-barged an out-of-line Mustafizur Rahman?

3) Rubel Hossain was no-balled for that full-toss to Rohit?

4) Taskin Ahmed was called for a suspect action and sections of the Bangladeshi press suggested it was India’s handiwork?

Discuss

It started after Bangladesh beat India in 2007 WC. Since that day, Bangladesh have always considered themselves as India's arch-rivals

 

[Varun]

My guess would be the 2007 World Cup defeat.

How did you miss the mauka mauka ad by Star for 2015 WC. That was what hurt the BD fans the most and since then its has been a downward spiral

Star didn't create a Mauka ad prior to the Bangladesh game. Whether this was because they wanted to wrap the series up before the knockouts is unknown, but that didn't stop the emotional Bangladeshis from creating their own vitriolic 'responses' to a Mauka ad - which, wait for it - didn't exist at all.

 

[EliteCynical]

Could it be when BD kicked India out of WC2007?

That is exactly the time when it went wrong. Ok, yeah upsets happen, even Ireland defeated Pakistan back then, which IMO was a bigger upset or Ban defeated Pak in 1999, but 2007 for some reason is still brought up by Bangla fans (not all, but some immature ones) whenever they dont have an out.

 

[Syed1]

That is exactly the time when it went wrong. Ok, yeah upsets happen, even Ireland defeated Pakistan back then, which IMO was a bigger upset or Ban defeated Pak in 1999, but 2007 for some reason is still brought up by Bangla fans (not all, but some immature ones) whenever they dont have an out.

BD fans are like that. They even began to bad-mouth Pakistan after their 3-0 victory over us in 2015. Conveniently forgetting the 16 years of consistent phainti we had administered to them.

I don't take them or their team seriously.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I am happy that it has become a rivalry. Bangladesh was not here to please india and pakistan or become their off season punching bag like sri lanka.

 

[Balthazar]

When Binny took 6 wickets for 4 runs. Seriously, they have some kind of issues with each and every team nowadays. The reason being is they overestimate themselves.

 

[SunRay]

I understand that fans can be naive but bangladesh players are too volatile, naive, picking up fights with opponents and emotionally underdeveloped as well

Don't u think that those adjectives r much more suitable to describe your current test captain kohli? Lol

Emotionally underdeveloped and picking up fights with opponents? lol. Just observe kohli closely during a match and u'll see that he gets riled up rather easily and starts barking needlessly towards the opponents. Hopefully I don't have to remind u the SCG incident, do I? :

 

[Donal Cozzie]

One country (India) with the most nationalistic people arguably on the planet.

Another country (Bangladesh) with arguably the most emotional people on the planet.

Both countries have zero other main sports to focus on, cricket is basically the main way these teams and countries make a positive image globally.

All a recipe for a bitter, emotional, hilarious (from my perspective) rivalry

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

I am happy that it has become a rivalry. Bangladesh was not here to please india and pakistan or become their off season punching bag like sri lanka.

Me too.

Nowadays ind-bd matches becomes more exciting than ind-Pak match in ODI with the increasing of contest between ind and bd and with the increasing of rivalry among the fans.

 

[SunRay]

Could it be when BD kicked India out of WC2007?

This. India couldn't forget that. That match still gives nightmares to them.

 

[SunRay]

Me too.

Nowadays ind-bd matches becomes more exciting than ind-Pak match in ODI with the increasing of contest between ind and bd and with the increasing of rivalry among the fans.

U r kidding, right? India - BD match will never reach the level of India - Pak match. That's simply not just possible.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

U r kidding, right? India - BD match will never reach the level of India - Pak match. That's simply not just possible.

If one sided matches over and over make you happy,then nothing to say *

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Sir Mauka Mauka was against Pakistan

IIRC there was one for QF as well against which a lot of BD fans made their own 'reply' video.

 

[Varun]

IIRC there was one for QF as well against which a lot of BD fans made their own 'reply' video.

Nope.

Star didn't create a Mauka ad prior to the Bangladesh game. Whether this was because they wanted to wrap the series up before the knockouts is unknown, but that didn't stop the emotional Bangladeshis from creating their own vitriolic 'responses' to a Mauka ad - which, wait for it - didn't exist at all.

For what it's worth, Star did create this ad prior to the bilateral last year:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/zNzhxvqadGw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

If you ask me, this was complimenting them.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Me too.

Nowadays ind-bd matches becomes more exciting than ind-Pak match in ODI with the increasing of contest between ind and bd and with the increasing of rivalry among the fans.

Quite sure Pakistan has beaten India more number of times than Bangladesh since that infamous 2007WC win.

 

[amit]

It is only since 2015 that fans have started to take Bangladesh more seriously now. Me & lot of other Indian fans don't like the fact that Bangladesh is getting just 1 test, when they should have got a full series of 3 tests. Also would have liked to see some ODIs added too

I hope Indian and other fans take Bangladesh more seriously now and Ind-Ban has the potential to be a massive rivalry

 

[Madplayer]

Me too.

Nowadays ind-bd matches becomes more exciting than ind-Pak match in ODI with the increasing of contest between ind and bd and with the increasing of rivalry among the fans.

Its just Wishful thinking if u think Ind-bangladesh matches are anywhere near as intense as IndiavPak.

 

[amit]

Nope.



For what it's worth, Star did create this ad prior to the bilateral last year:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/zNzhxvqadGw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

If you ask me, this was complimenting them.

Yes, it was a nice ad showing the improvement of Bangladesh

1st time - Bangladesh of 2003 and earlier - getting thrashed by teams like Kenya, Canada, Ireland, etc
2nd time - Bangladesh of 2005-2014 - improving and starting to beat teams like Zimbabwe, Kenya, Ireland, etc regularly
3rd time - Bangladesh of 2015 - starting to beat big teams like India, Pakistan, South Africa as well

Don't think anyone should have a problem with this ad. More better and meaningful than Mauka Mauka. Would have loved such a ad again for the test matches too signifying Bangladesh's improvement

 

[MMHS]

It's was bound to happen. It's not about any ad or any incident - it's about competing each other. The day Bangladesh started to compete on field, it was bound to happen between 2 neighboring countries.

The opposite is also true - today, who cares about Hungary in soccer. But, till 60s, they were the bitterest rivals of the Brits & Germans.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

When they beat India. It's good entertainment though. Need more rivalries like this.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Interestingly relations between Pak and India players is very amicable...cuz they only play in the world cup, where Pak gets thrashed every time no matter what (umpires saved India in 2011 world cup semi tho, but thats not surprising cuz everyone knows who owns the entire ICC aparatus..."we'll get the votes").

But to answer the OP questions, what started it was all the above plus more:

2007 world cup Kumble made some matter of fact comments about India will be tired after playing semi finals to Mortaza and Masri didn't say much, but he didnt appreciate that sort of hubris.

2010 Sehwag commemts really lit a fire, true or not, it was the Trumpy lack of diplomacy that got the ball rolling.

The Taskin Dhoni picture fiasco happened.

2016 Taskin chucking error (probably wasnt an outright conspiracy) added further fuel to flames.

Then of course Mushfiq's tweeting and the famous choke job in WT20.

All in all these things are good for cricket. 10 years ago BD players were still in awe of teams like India and Pakistan, and for good reason. That is almost gone now.

 

[Messiah]

There is nothing "wrong". It's just that a bulk of people living in the subcontinent are usually uneducated, weird and generally immature for their age (no offense. But what I have seen some people post on Facebook, they would be labeled mentally unstable in western countries). So all these weird fans who only follow cricket because that's the only sport their team is good at creates a toxic environment, which makes it seem like there is something "wrong". All my Indian and Bengali friends here in Western countries have a friendly rivalry when it comes to cricket. Nothing "wrong" with that. I am sorry if this offends anyone. Just saying what I observe

 

[Mainul]

I don't think that there was anything any kind of bitterness behind Bangladesh not being invited in India.It was all about one reason.BCCI only thought about earning money.When they realized that Bangladesh can attract enough crowd and sponsors,they invited them.It was indeed a very awful and shameful approach indeed from the richest board in the world, when a test playing nation had to wait 16 long years to be invited!

 

[Buffet]

I don't think that there was anything any kind of bitterness behind Bangladesh not being invited in India.It was all about one reason. BCCI only thought about earning money.When they realized that Bangladesh can attract enough crowd and sponsors,they invited them.It was indeed a very awful and shameful approach indeed from the richest board in the world, when a test playing nation had to wait 16 long years to be invited!

Can you see a case of BD cricket board only thinking about making the biggest buck possible. If India gives time to BD then BD will make huge money by hosting India and zero money by visiting India. Just a different angle here which I rarely see most BD fans talking, but money plays a huge part in these decisions. I am not sure how much money BD cricket board had 5 years back.

 

[HateKiller]

Pakistan Invited Bangladesh in 2003 or 2004 which Revives Inzamam Career; But I don't know why it takes so late for india to invite them for tests.. India is always small heart !!!....

Actually not inviting BD and instead touring BD is beneficial for BD!
BCB gets lot more money that way than they will get when they tour India.
But yeah , if BD players want to eat Hyderabadi dum biryani, then I can understand their anger.

 

[Sin Nombre]

One country (India) with the most nationalistic people arguably on the planet.

Another country (Bangladesh) with arguably the most emotional people on the planet.

Both countries have zero other main sports to focus on, cricket is basically the main way these teams and countries make a positive image globally.

All a recipe for a bitter, emotional, hilarious (from my perspective) rivalry

Utter nonsense.

 

[SunRay]

I don't think that there was anything any kind of bitterness behind Bangladesh not being invited in India.It was all about one reason.BCCI only thought about earning money.When they realized that Bangladesh can attract enough crowd and sponsors,they invited them.It was indeed a very awful and shameful approach indeed from the richest board in the world, when a test playing nation had to wait 16 long years to be invited!

There's nothing wrong with that approach.

Why isn't ur board considering inviting Nepal, Ireland or Afghanistan for a test series.

See the relation? Bangladesh is to India what Nepal is to Bangladesh in test cricket.

 

[Statsman]

There's nothing wrong with that approach.

Why isn't ur board considering inviting Nepal, Ireland or Afghanistan for a test series.

See the relation? Bangladesh is to India what Nepal is to Bangladesh in test cricket.

Nepal doesn't play test cricket. But yeah Bangladesh can invite them for ODIs or T20s.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Utter nonsense.

Well...its the truth though.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Its just Wishful thinking if u think Ind-bangladesh matches are anywhere near as intense as IndiavPak.

Ind-Pak rivalry intensity is more of political or other than of cricketing if we see the results.
Ind-bd rivalry is/will be more of cricketing than political or other.and the later rivalry just begun and it will be intense as bd gets better and better and will one day surpass ind-Pak rivalry as ind-Pak match happens rare due to political reasons.

 

[Executioner]

There's nothing wrong with that approach.

Why isn't ur board considering inviting Nepal, Ireland or Afghanistan for a test series.

See the relation? Bangladesh is to India what Nepal is to Bangladesh in test cricket.

Nope, that would be what Netherland or Afghanistan are to Bangladesh.

The gap between Bangladesh and Nepal is still massive. I think their are better teams than Nepal amidst the associates but Nepal has good fanbase which is important to cricket.

 

[Executioner]

Barring Mushy's stupid tweets and Hardik claiming that Mushy can't hit him for a six, its all been smooth between the team and boards. BD players have been fine playing in India, and Indian domestic cricketers do play in DPL. The boards are also on the same page.

The issue with internet rivalry is that, cricket is a sport played by only a handful of nations. And like DC put it, these are two countries crazy about cricket and has few other sports to focus upon.

The internet rivalry began due to few things:

1) Indian tabloids mentioning that inviting Bangladesh will provide "limited revenue", some several years back. I was young back then but my mom told me something like this,
2) WC exit for India in 07
3) The no-ball call in CWC 15 where some fans felt BCCI bought ICC which is nonsense
4) The image of Taskin with Dhoni's head(minor)
5) Taskin and Sunny's suspension in the middle of a world T20 tournament which has never happened before.

Oh, and all these meme pages on Facebook which didn't help.

However, rivalry is good. I hope we develop rivalry with Pakistan, India, heck any team. That spices up the sport. I know many of my Indian friends enjoy BD-India more than India-SL even though SL has generally been a better side.

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

Barring Mushy's stupid tweets and <b>Hardik claiming that Mushy can't hit him for a six,</b> its all been smooth between the team and boards. BD players have been fine playing in India, and Indian domestic cricketers do play in DPL. The boards are also on the same page.

The issue with internet rivalry is that, cricket is a sport played by only a handful of nations. And like DC put it, these are two countries crazy about cricket and has few other sports to focus upon.

The internet rivalry began due to few things:

1) Indian tabloids mentioning that inviting Bangladesh will provide "limited revenue", some several years back. I was young back then but my mom told me something like this,
2) WC exit for India in 07
3) The no-ball call in CWC 15 where some fans felt BCCI bought ICC which is nonsense
4) The image of Taskin with Dhoni's head(minor)
5) Taskin and Sunny's suspension in the middle of a world T20 tournament which has never happened before.

Oh, and all these meme pages on Facebook which didn't help.

However, rivalry is good. I hope we develop rivalry with Pakistan, India, heck any team. That spices up the sport. I know many of my Indian friends enjoy BD-India more than India-SL even though SL has generally been a better side.

Did that happen?

 

[Tekcirc]

I think the issue is the imaginary rivalry that Bangladeshi fans think they have with India. They are yet to achieve parity with any team in Tests, even in ODI or T20 all they have done is do decent at home while still getting thumped when they walk outside Mirpur.

Delusions!

 

[Zak_Fan]

I think the issue is the imaginary rivalry that Bangladeshi fans think they have with India. They are yet to achieve parity with any team in Tests, even in ODI or T20 all they have done is do decent at home while still getting thumped when they walk outside Mirpur.

Delusions!

They knocked us out of 2007 World Cup, whined like crazy in 2015 World Cup, and made ugly photoshopped images of our rockstars. #rivalry

 

[Statsman]

It amazes me how most Bangladeshi fans simply blamed BCCI for Taskin and Sunny's bans. They believed India was scared of Bangladeshi bowlers.

 

[Tekcirc]

They knocked us out of 2007 World Cup, whined like crazy in 2015 World Cup, and made ugly photoshopped images of our rockstars. #rivalry

Glory of Bangladesh 99 WC(beat Pakistan), 07 (Beat India), 15(QF 2015) rest all have been some good performances "at home" since 2015. Walked out Mirpur to a number 7 side in tests and got spanked around the park.

Honestly, Bangladesh right now are like your annoying, foul mouthed 5 year old cousin who visits you once a while and your Mom asks you to be nice to that punk because he is just a kid. You want to play nice and maybe let him win, but they he boosts about thumping you in all games simply boils your blood.

 

[Varun]

It amazes me how most Bangladeshi fans simply blamed BCCI for Taskin and Sunny's bans. They believed India was scared of Bangladeshi bowlers.

They have zero brains.

They also claimed that the Rohit Sharma delivery in the 2015 World Cup was incorrectly judged to be a no-ball. A game where they lost by 109 runs anyway. Yeah, that: we (India) joined forced with a Pakistani umpire (Aleem Dar) to spontaneously call a no-ball.

They never seem to grow up.

 

[Syed1]

I think the rivalry is one-sided and it is only from the BD side.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It started due to the arrogance of Indian fans who would look down upon Bangladesh. The Indian team is not liked because of their obnoxious fans.

 

[Drreddymd]

One country (India) with the most nationalistic people arguably on the planet.

Another country (Bangladesh) with arguably the most emotional people on the planet.

Both countries have zero other main sports to focus on, cricket is basically the main way these teams and countries make a positive image globally.

All a recipe for a bitter, emotional, hilarious (from my perspective) rivalry

Yeah cricket is the only thing india is famous for isn't? In which cave u r hiding? Please come out if this condenscensing crap?

 

[Tekcirc]

It started due to the arrogance of Indian fans who would look down upon Bangladesh. The Indian team is not liked because of their obnoxious fans.

We are so glad and happy that our ancestors were on the right side of the border

 

[Drreddymd]

Don't u think that those adjectives r much more suitable to describe your current test captain kohli? Lol

Emotionally underdeveloped and picking up fights with opponents? lol. Just observe kohli closely during a match and u'll see that he gets riled up rather easily and starts barking needlessly towards the opponents. Hopefully I don't have to remind u the SCG incident, do I? :

What has bangla achieved to display that kind of behavior ? Kohli responds and not initiate abuse most of the times isn't ? He usually does with teams like eng, aus who are masters at it that too when they start verbals

 

[jnaveen1980]

I am not sure any Indian fans consider BD as a rival at any level. Sure they like to make jokes at their expense.

 

[Drreddymd]

I am not sure any Indian fans consider BD as a rival at any level. Sure they like to make jokes at their expense.

I don't think any indian fan thinks bangladesh as a rival. It is the opposite i think

 

[English August]

The level of ignorance on this topic is quite amazing.

BCCI did not not invite BD for last 15 years due to some vague desire to insult them -- it was a calculated move with full agreement from BCB. When India hosts a series, all the TV money goes to BCCI. When India tours some country, the host board gets all the money. Given the size of India's TV market, the Indian cricket team is the most marketable commodity in this sport (by a huge margin). So, as part of the FTP, every time it was India's turn to host BD, the BCCI instead offered to tour so BCB could make money.

BCCI is single-handed responsible for getting BD the Test status (Dalmiya fought tooth-and-nail for it despite severe opposition from many other boards) and for BCB's financial viability. To paint BCCI as the villain in this drama is just plain ignorance.

Now I'm not suggesting that the BCCI did all this out of generosity and large-heartedness. It was self-serving in that the BCB is now permanently in BCCI's pocket when it comes to voting in ICC Exec Comm. In the world of cricket politics, this was a class you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours move which benefitted both the boards.

 

[troodon]

I don't see any rivalry with Bangladesh.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Yeah cricket is the only thing india is famous for isn't? In which cave u r hiding? Please come out if this condenscensing crap?

I never said the bolded part first off.

Second off as someone who lives in the West I simply state my opinion, and if you want to hear the truth about how India is portrayed (very key point here, this is not how I see India, but how the media portrays it and how a vast majority of people will view it) I'm more than willing to oblige.

India is famous for a few things. Bollywood,cricket, food, outsourcing etc But 95% of all media stories here have two forms

1) Most common one, some horrific barbaric crime committed somewhere in the country that isn't a once off, and in some cases was supported by a police officer or ordered by a local court which gives people here the impression that its far more common than it should be and is also supported by the society on some level.

2) The government blowing hundreds of millions of dollars on statues and space rockets and military, ended with a keynote about how the country has more poverty than Africa and how bad the standards of living are.

Whether you agree with me or not, one of the only ways India (and Bangladesh for the record) get any attention here for positive reasons is for cricket, deep down I think some fans in both nations know this, hence when they compete against each other they are particularly desperate to win not only due to the neighbourhood/historical rivalry but also because a victory looks good worldwide in the news if its reported and it can generate nice headlines for a change.

I'm not being condescending whatsoever btw. From everything I've read online and my various interactions I can safely Indians are the most nationalistic of any people and Bangladeshi's the most emotional. This isn't condescension its me gathering up all the experiences and info. I've learned and seen for the past few years and using it to form what I feel is a fair and balanced opinion to anybody mature enough to look at a situation through neutral and balanced eyes.

 

[Zak_Fan]

I never said the bolded part first off.

Second off as someone who lives in the West I simply state my opinion, and if you want to hear the truth about how India is portrayed (very key point here, this is not how I see India, but how the media portrays it and how a vast majority of people will view it) I'm more than willing to oblige.

India is famous for a few things. Bollywood,cricket, food, outsourcing etc But 95% of all media stories here have two forms

1) Most common one, some horrific barbaric crime committed somewhere in the country that isn't a once off, and in some cases was supported by a police officer or ordered by a local court which gives people here the impression that its far more common than it should be and is also supported by the society on some level.

2) The government blowing hundreds of millions of dollars on statues and space rockets and military, ended with a keynote about how the country has more poverty than Africa and how bad the standards of living are.

Whether you agree with me or not, one of the only ways India (and Bangladesh for the record) get any attention here for positive reasons is for cricket, deep down I think some fans in both nations know this, hence when they compete against each other they are particularly desperate to win not only due to the neighbourhood/historical rivalry but also because a victory looks good worldwide in the news if its reported and it can generate nice headlines for a change.

I'm not being condescending whatsoever btw. From everything I've read online and my various interactions I can safely Indians are the most nationalistic of any people and Bangladeshi's the most emotional. This isn't condescension its me gathering up all the experiences and info. I've learned and seen for the past few years and using it to form what I feel is a fair and balanced opinion to anybody mature enough to look at a situation through neutral and balanced eyes.

Yes you are. Why don't you stop turning the thread into your anti-India nonsense and maybe take it to the TimePass section?

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Yes you are. Why don't you stop turning the thread into your anti-India nonsense and maybe take it to the TimePass section?

Eh??

What part of my post do you disagree with?

I generally don't agree with the BCCI because as someone who wants the game to grow the BCCI's actions and interests directly contradict that viewpoint, but I'm not even remotely anti-Indian. If anything its the opposite. Just because I criticize aspects of it (ridiculous nationalism) doesn't make me anti anything

 

[Zak_Fan]

In case Donal still sticks to his argument, then wouldn't that make Pakistan Vs Afganistan probably the biggest rivalry in sporting history? Pakistan Vs Bangladesh should probably be second biggest? Or maybe Ashes should be called a friendly? Don't let the BCCI revenue b*tthurt turn you bitter [MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] .

 

[Donal Cozzie]

In case Donal still sticks to his argument, then wouldn't that make Pakistan Vs Afganistan probably the biggest rivalry in sporting history? Pakistan Vs Bangladesh should probably be second biggest? Or maybe Ashes should be called a friendly? Don't let the BCCI revenue b*tthurt turn you bitter [MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] .

lol obviously there's more to it than just the one point of what I said (I also mentioned the general nationalism and emotional reaction of both countries). If I said "Oh they just wanna impress the West" yeah I'd get your reaction, but if you see my original post I said it was that one society is insanely nationalistic and proud of itself, to the extent that not standing up for the anthem at a cinema can get you assaulted, and the other one being insanely meotional which we've seen countless times (Girls crying when Afridi won in AC 2014, general social media activity of players etc).

The other guy then accused me lying and saying "Oh so you're saying India is only famous for cricket" so I clarified that no.1 no thats not what I said, and then I listed the other, admittedly much smaller part of the reason for the whole fracas every time these two teams play one another part of which involved saying what India generally gets reported for over here.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Well...its the truth though.

Not at all.

We have discussed this before - a lot of Indians online do not have enough of a grasp on English and come out looking very stupid as a result.

It doesn't mean that Indians are the most nationalistic and have only cricket to be proud about.

I have lived all my adult life outside India in 4 different "Western" countries over the last decade plus.

If I was to stupidly generalize like Donal, I would say that the Irish are the worst in taking self-responsibility given that their online population in particular still has a tendency to blame the English for all their ills. And the only thing they have to be proud about is getting drunk and boorish.

There is not even a concept of Indian exceptionalism; Americans for a large part do believe that their country is the greatest in the world and so quite a few others. You have to be very insular to think Indians are super patriotic.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Not at all.

We have discussed this before - a lot of Indians online do not have enough of a grasp on English and come out looking very stupid as a result.

It doesn't mean that Indians are the most nationalistic and have only cricket to be proud about.

I have lived all my adult life outside India in 4 different "Western" countries over the last decade plus.

If I was to stupidly generalize like Donal, I would say that the Irish are the worst in taking self-responsibility given that their online population in particular still has a tendency to blame the English for all their ills. And the only thing they have to be proud about is getting drunk and boorish.

There is not even a concept of Indian exceptionalism; Americans for a large part do believe that their country is the greatest in the world and so quite a few others. You have to be very insular to think Indians are super patriotic.

You are taking a tongue in cheek comment by him comparing 2 sets of fans way too seriously.

In the internet, I have noticed Indian fans to be the most nationalistic and Bangla fans to be most emotional. Many have done too. You have Kerala army who take it up as a mission to spam celebrity pages when they feel wronged. If that's not nationalism, what is.

In real life, that's not how Indians are. And I am sure, all Bangladeshis in real life won't be so emotional as we see them online.

 

[Sin Nombre]

You are taking a tongue in cheek comment by him comparing 2 sets of fans way too seriously.

In the internet, I have noticed Indian fans to be the most nationalistic and Bangla fans to be most emotional. Many have done too. You have Kerala army who take it up as a mission to spam celebrity pages when they feel wronged. If that's not nationalism, what is.

In real life, that's not how Indians are. And I am sure, all Bangladeshis in real life won't be so emotional as we see them online.

That's regionalism. Not the same as believing your country is the greatest.

It was hardly a tongue in cheek comment given his continued defense of the same.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

That's regionalism. Not the same as believing your country is the greatest.

It was hardly a tongue in cheek comment given his continued defense of the same.

Regionalism would be them fighting for Sreesanth. When its for Tendulkar, its nationalism. Also I am sure if you look around online, its not hard to see what I am talking about.

It was actually a comment with exaggerations added for comedic effect. He doesn't come from a bad place nor does he hate India. It becomes more clear when you look at his posting history. He does raise proper points about Indian nationalism and issues coming from India but he is incorrect in using that to make some sweeping statements which can be addressed by us.

Overall, not a biggie. It all depends on intention.

Had a good chuckle reading his first comment.

 

[Tekcirc]

This thread went all tangent, since the last time I saw.

Time to Reset and sing Kumbaya!!

 

[Executioner]

Did that happen?

yes he did. Some time ago.

 

[SunRay]

What has bangla achieved to display that kind of behavior ? Kohli responds and not initiate abuse most of the times isn't ? He usually does with teams like eng, aus who are masters at it that too when they start verbals

I personally haven't seen Bangla players to behave badly on and off the field. Actually Bangla players along with current Pakistani players r some of the nicest, well behaved and down to earth cricketers in world cricket atm :


Even if u believe that some of the Bangla players r pretentious, I think they have already achieved quite a few things in their limited test history to show a bit arrogance.


Remember India took freakin 20 years to with their first ever test match whereas Bangla have already demolished teams in tests in alien condition and surprisingly they have been playing test cricket for only sixteen years. :

 

[Statsman]

I personally haven't seen Bangla players to behave badly on and off the field. Actually Bangla players along with current Pakistani players r some of the nicest, well behaved and down to earth cricketers in world cricket atm :


Even if u believe that some of the Bangla players r pretentious, I think they have already achieved quite a few things in their limited test history to show a bit arrogance.


Remember India took freakin 20 years to with their first ever test match whereas Bangla have already demolished teams in tests in alien condition and surprisingly they have been playing test cricket for only sixteen years. :

India or British India which included present day Pakistan and Bangladesh? Iirc India won its second or third test match.

 

[Tekcirc]

India or British India which included present day Pakistan and Bangladesh? Iirc India won its second or third test match.

All the failures of British India are inherited by India. That should be obviously clear!

 

[Adil_94]

After Bangladesh whitewashed us and beat India at home in 2015. The team and fans started getting really cocky they started to think they are the 2nd best team in Asia and have overtaken Pak as India's main rivals. Basically its Bangladeshi over exhuberance and cockyness

 

[Tekcirc]

I personally haven't seen Bangla players to behave badly on and off the field. Actually Bangla players along with current Pakistani players r some of the nicest, well behaved and down to earth cricketers in world cricket atm :


Even if u believe that some of the Bangla players r pretentious, I think they have already achieved quite a few things in their limited test history to show a bit arrogance.


Remember India took freakin 20 years to with their first ever test match whereas Bangla have already demolished teams in tests in alien condition and surprisingly they have been playing test cricket for only sixteen years. :

People love to talk about 20 years for first win, while simply skipping the part that India didnot play a test game between 1936 and 1946 ( 10 years) .

Even by that margin India took 25 tests for first win while the mighty Bangla tigers took 30+ and that too against the mighty mighty Zimbabwe.

India still had far less number of losses despite playing only the best teams of its time. While Bangladesh could not even manage wins against a depleted Zimbabwe.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

2007 Wold Cup win against India was when this supposed "rivalry" began. However, BD are quite competitive in ODI's these days and are no pushovers. Some of their fans tend to overrate them but then so do Pakistanis i guess. In test cricket, there's no competition whatsoever. Bangladesh are still minnows in that format.