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"When it's 13-0 or 10-1, it's not a rivalry anymore": Suryakumar Yadav

I would be extremely disappointed if we lose both games against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, not with these losses against India. What exactly have we done that we can suddenly leapfrog to competing with Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand? We can't right? Then how do we fans expect Pakistan to play well against India, who will actually beat two of these teams handily in a five match series.

Our players also need to understand their limitations and strategize properly rather than try to blast batsmen out, when you are not even in the top five bowling attacks in the world.
 
Red-Indian said:
I don't think a rivalry 80 years in the making is suddenly going to disappear because we've had the clear upper hand for 15 or so.

Personally, I rarely watch a T20 game but for this one, I made the time so obviously I'm still interested.

For 20 Alex Ferguson tears, it was total Manchester United domination over Liverpool. Look at how the teams stand today!

It's less likely in this rivalry given all the advantages in population, economy, governance, structural foundation etc. that India possesses but you never know. Takes just charismatic superstar to turn things around sometimes.
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It's a political rivalry, not a sporting rivalry. So this hype will always be there, specially if Pakistan plays okay in flashes. But expecting this to be a relevant rivalry in this particular tournament where one team is languishing at the bottom of the rankings is pure vibes.
 
Devadwal said:
SKY on Pakistan vs India rivalry:

"You guys should stop asking about the rivalry. If the two teams are playing 15-20 games & the scoreline is 7-7 or 8-7, then it is called rivalry. If the scoreline is 10-1 or 13-0, but this is not a rivalry anymore."


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Pakistan statement: India lost 4 wickets in the match. That is a huge loss for them. It was the excellent performance by our bowlers who brought down four batsmen who were supposed to be technically and on paper superior to our bowlers.
Hence, we would like to claim victory
 
Usman Chadda said:
It's a political rivalry, not a sporting rivalry. So this hype will always be there, specially if Pakistan plays okay in flashes. But expecting this to be a relevant rivalry in this particular tournament where one team is languishing at the bottom of the rankings is pure vibes.
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Yeah it's a fun sideshow at this point.

Indians don't seriously go into these matches worrying about a defeat anymore but there's still those butterflies given the political context. Enough to keep the rivalry alive even from a sporting perspective.
 
Red-Indian said:
Yeah it's a fun sideshow at this point.

Indians don't seriously go into these matches worrying about a defeat anymore but there's still those butterflies given the political context. Enough to keep the rivalry alive even from a sporting perspective.
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Pakistan needs to take some lessons from these two games after having played a top team and make tweaks/modifications accordingly, as this is all a build up to the T20WC 2026.
 
Kohli was partly responsible for dilution of this rivalry. Pak players worshipping him has certainly taken the edge even though India has become a better team. Also Pakistan was somehow a good side against other teams as well during Kohli's peak. Now they are ranked alongside other minnow teams in a couple of formats. In ODIs mid tier team. Even they might slide there in the near future.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Pakistan needs to take some lessons from these two games after having played a top team and make tweaks/modifications accordingly, as this is all a build up to the T20WC 2026.
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Not that Pakistan can't win the odd game if everything breaks in your favour but I'm not sure what tweaks you can make in a year that will make a genuine difference.

The gap in skill, intent, application and confidence is so high today that it'll take a long time and huge changes to bring any form of parity.
 
pillionrider said:
Pakistan cricketers and some of their fans seem to be becoming Bangladeshi cricketers and fans. Get thrashed, but attitude remains undefeated :ROFLMAO:
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Was Indian attitude any different when Pak was dominating? No.

You might be someone who is weak and adjust your attitude based on the direction of the wind, not everyone is like that
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Kohli was partly responsible for dilution of this rivalry. Pak players worshipping him has certainly taken the edge even though India has become a better team. Also Pakistan was somehow a good side against other teams as well during Kohli's peak. Now they are ranked alongside other minnow teams in a couple of formats. In ODIs mid tier team. Even they might slide there in the near future.
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I think Pakistan are a better ODI team than their recent performances suggest. They have some good ODI players who are all badly out of form.
 
Red-Indian said:
Not that Pakistan can't win the odd game if everything breaks in your favour but I'm not sure what tweaks you can make in a year that will make a genuine difference.

The gap in skill, intent, application and confidence is so high today that it'll take a long time and huge changes to bring any form of parity.
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Pakistan has bigger problems than India match. India has beaten several teams over the last 12 months. So losing to India is no big deal. But what pakistan should worry about is the bigger picture prepping the side for world cup. A week or 10 days back Pak fans were talking about persisting with the same team for 10 or 15 matchecs. Look at them now. A whole sale change out of panic. If this trend continues they will be more confused in 6 months than they are now. That is what they should worry about more than beating India.
 
Depends how you define rivalry.

If purely based on results - he has a point. Rivalries should have a good split of the results.

If based on eyeballs that these games get - it’s still very much a rivalry. You don’t play us bilaterally but make sure we in the same group every tournament? That doesn’t happen when there’s no rivalry
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
Pakistan statement: India lost 4 wickets in the match. That is a huge loss for them. It was the excellent performance by our bowlers who brought down four batsmen who were supposed to be technically and on paper superior to our bowlers.
Hence, we would like to claim victory
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You have so much time to come up with ridiculous s#it like that? No one said that.

If it’s a reference to something else, say it openly and get ready for a debate.
 
Red-Indian said:
Not that Pakistan can't win the odd game if everything breaks in your favour but I'm not sure what tweaks you can make in a year that will make a genuine difference.

The gap in skill, intent, application and confidence is so high today that it'll take a long time and huge changes to bring any form of parity.
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Get a working middle-order, one that doesn’t get crippled by Salman Agha, Hussain Talat and Mohammad Nawaz.

Minor tweaks within their limitations.

The way they panicked and threw out Hassan Nawaz is not a great look. The first thing this management needs to accept is that they are playing like a bottom ranked side, and then progress can be made.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I think Pakistan are a better ODI team than their recent performances suggest. They have some good ODI players who are all badly out of form.
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If Pakistan consistentl dominates SENA teams (may be except Australia) in LOI they will challenge India way better. Unfortunately Pakistan faces some B string SENA team mostly. So they don't get challenged. In the CT they got exposed. They need to improve their record against SENA team first. Because they play India only in big tournaments. Playing against India often can make you better. When that is not an option your next best option is to play other good teams a lot get better. Playing UAE, Oman, Afghanistan will absolutely get you nowhere. You can play 100 matches win 99 of them you will still be at the same place.
 
What I do really admire is the confidence of this Indian team.

It takes balls to make big statements and claims when there is a possibility, albeit a tiny one, that you can still end up losing in the final to the same team. But this Indian team is not treading carefully. That’s impressive
 
Snowflake said:
Depends how you define rivalry.

If purely based on results - he has a point. Rivalries should have a good split of the results.

If based on eyeballs that these games get - it’s still very much a rivalry. You don’t play us bilaterally but make sure we in the same group every tournament? That doesn’t happen when there’s no rivalry
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The eyeballs are only because people still watch India Pakistan due to the political angle. As an Indian, I don’t ever want us to lose to Pakistan, period and we take satisfaction from beating Pakistan. They are not cricketing rivals anymore (SENA matches are much more competitive), but more political rivals.

Having said that and acknowledging there is no cricketing rivalry left anymore, it is one thing for a layman like me to say it & another for Sky to say it on TV. You just can’t disrespect your opponent.
 
Mockingbird said:
The eyeballs are only because people still watch India Pakistan due to the political angle. As an Indian, I don’t ever want us to lose to Pakistan, period and we take satisfaction from beating Pakistan. They are not cricketing rivals anymore (SENA matches are much more competitive), but more political rivals.

Having said that and acknowledging there is no cricketing rivalry left anymore, it is one thing for a layman like me to say it & another for Sky to say it on TV. You just can’t disrespect your opponent.
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That is because both are heavily populated. Also outsides still think India vs Pakistan a rivalry. Just like we watch Ashes.
 
Mockingbird said:
The eyeballs are only because people still watch India Pakistan due to the political angle. As an Indian, I don’t ever want us to lose to Pakistan, period and we take satisfaction from beating Pakistan. They are not cricketing rivals anymore (SENA matches are much more competitive), but more political rivals.

Having said that and acknowledging there is no cricketing rivalry left anymore, it is one thing for a layman like me to say it & another for Sky to say it on TV. You just can’t disrespect your opponent.
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Reason can be whatever. Pakistan and India rivalry always had a political angle to it - never did it not. Why didnt Pakistan have the same rivalry with any other team whom they had a good split of results? Of course its political.

The fact that feel that way confirms that this rivalry is very much alive. It definitely is lopsided when looking at the results in recent years, but it still triggers those emotions in fans.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Get a working middle-order, one that doesn’t get crippled by Salman Agha, Hussain Talat and Mohammad Nawaz.

Minor tweaks within their limitations.

The way they panicked and threw out Hassan Nawaz is not a great look. The first thing this management needs to accept is that they are playing like a bottom ranked side, and then progress can be made.
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Doesn't work like that. You can't suddenly find a middle order and have it ready for the World Cup. Takes years of build-up and a bunch of talent knocking at or threatening to break the door down.

There's stuff you can do to get the team better but it'll take judgement, patience and investment. None of these are in ample supply in the current Pakistani cricket setup.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
If Pakistan consistentl dominates SENA teams (may be except Australia) in LOI they will challenge India way better. Unfortunately Pakistan faces some B string SENA team mostly. So they don't get challenged. In the CT they got exposed. They need to improve their record against SENA team first. Because they play India only in big tournaments. Playing against India often can make you better. When that is not an option your next best option is to play other good teams a lot get better. Playing UAE, Oman, Afghanistan will absolutely get you nowhere. You can play 100 matches win 99 of them you will still be at the same place.
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You're right, but I also think Pakistan were a bit unlucky in the CT to lose two key players like Fakhar Zaman and Saim Ayub. The latter was in excellent form prior to the tournament and had already scored runs against quality attacks like Australia and South Africa.

IMO this Pakistan side can do much better in South Africa, especially with bowlers like Shaheen who thrive when there’s pace and bounce in the pitch. Even someone like Haris Rauf can be a much tougher bowler to face on fast, bouncy tracks such as the MCG. Playing weaker teams is something they definitely need to avoid though because it gives them a false sense of security, the wrong lessons and perhaps even makes them rely on certain things that may not work against top-quality sides.

I won't say that they are a great side, and they are still going to lose to teams like India, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand on most days, but they are capable of great performances. And in ICC tournaments it's more about peaking at the right time then being the best team on-paper. They still need to get their act together though.
 
Mockingbird said:
The eyeballs are only because people still watch India Pakistan due to the political angle. As an Indian, I don’t ever want us to lose to Pakistan, period and we take satisfaction from beating Pakistan. They are not cricketing rivals anymore (SENA matches are much more competitive), but more political rivals.

Having said that and acknowledging there is no cricketing rivalry left anymore, it is one thing for a layman like me to say it & another for Sky to say it on TV. You just can’t disrespect your opponent.
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Very reasonable take. I agree, on a sporting level it hasn't been a rivalry for a very long time. But you never heard someone like Kohli disrespect the Pakistan team like this, eventhough no single batsman in recent memory has dominated them as much as him, or played as many match-winning knocks against them.
 
Red-Indian said:
Doesn't work like that. You can't suddenly find a middle order and have it ready for the World Cup. Takes years of build-up and a bunch of talent knocking at or threatening to break the door down.

There's stuff you can do to get the team better but it'll take judgement, patience and investment. None of these are in ample supply in the current Pakistani cricket setup.
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You need to find better performing middle-order batters in T20 cricket, who will score at a good pace and keep the scoreboard ticking.

Neither Salman nor Talat have great PSL records, but Hassan Nawaz did in the middle order. Throwing him out is not the right way to go.
 
Pakistan is just one win away from making this a rivalry again. Historically, Indian captains kept their composure and didn’t let the Hindutva politics bleed onto the field. But looks like the clownery has finally crept into the new Indian players.
 
I recall once Dhoni was asked about India's unbeaten record against Pakistan in World Cups and how dominant it was. And his response was simply along the lines of, nothing lasts forever, and that all records are meant to be broken. Eventhough I'm sure this presser was before or after India thrashed Pakistan in some World Cup match. That's the difference between a real captain and professional, and someone who is desperate to be liked by the fans.
 
HalBass9 said:
Pakistan is just one win away from making this a rivalry again. Historically, Indian captains kept their composure and didn’t let the Hindutva politics bleed onto the field. But looks like the clownery has finally crept into the new Indian players.
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One win won’t cut it… USA defeated Pakistan in a game, can’t call it a rivalry. Rivalry only comes when the games are even over a period of time.
 
Mockingbird said:
One win won’t cut it… USA defeated Pakistan in a game, can’t call it a rivalry. Rivalry only comes when the games are even over a period of time.
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Yea, that is why it’s a rivalry.

Y’all be glued to TV to watch the next Pak vs India.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Just a small observation, but I feel like SKY tries too hard to be cool.
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Normally he is cool.but in Asia cup he is acting weird and not himself. Dont know issues with Gill as VC or bcci diktats making him to behave odd.when he had issues with kohli too, he acted graciously.his form is also scratchy after last year .he was special until rohit- kohli kind of guys were there.now he is one of the several brand of players.definitely something else is cooking.
 
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Vikram1989 said:
Normally he is cool.but in Asia cup he is acting weird and not himself. Dont know issues with Gill as vc or bcci diktats making him to behave odd.when he had issues with kohli too, he acted graciously.his form is also scratchy after last year .he was special until rohit- kohli kind of guys were there.now he is one of the several brand of players.definitely something else is cooking.
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Yea. little bit of unorthodox behavior. Gill looked way better in pressers during ANderson/Tendulkar series. He should follow Rohit style.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
How will sri lanka olay final when they can't even beat bangladesh plz stop this it's going to be pak vs india final
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Sir. By your logic. How can Pak go into the final if they cant beat USA?

SL losing to BD means they are bad now? :lol: do you follow general cricket or only Pak series/matches? Anyone can beat anyone on the day. BD won t20 series in Lanka month ago and beat Pak in t20 series recently, BD also lost a series to UAE some months ago. Thats cricket. Maybe your stuck in the 90s and 00s.
 
Usman Chadda said:
It's a political rivalry, not a sporting rivalry. So this hype will always be there, specially if Pakistan plays okay in flashes. But expecting this to be a relevant rivalry in this particular tournament where one team is languishing at the bottom of the rankings is pure vibes.
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First of all, don't call it a political rivalry, Pak as country is nothing in front of India w.r.t any aspects be it economy, be it army and defence, be it finance, be it education, be it sports, be it medicine..etc, there is no department pakistan is competing against India to call it a Rival..only thing that make you relevant is your terrorists whose only job is to destabilize India with the support of Pakistan army.. both in the battle ground as well as cricket ground, we have blasted you to the core frequently.. whatever happening is a political tensions at the aftermath of pahalgam attack by pak terrorists..if such event did not occur, India would have watched this match just as one another match with any associate nation..thats the reason we despise the ICC and BCCI for making business out of peoples emotion..this tournament could have been postponed till the tension settled down, so that cricket can be watched as cricket..but these greedy people wants to milk money from us..
 
sl bd afghanistan amtches were more exciting this asia cup as it was difficult to predict result before the match. Pakistan sri lanka could be exciting
 
People confuse sports rivalry

India-Pakistan sports rivalry is deeply rooted in a shared, complex, and often hostile history. It has little to do with the recent record or overall H2H between the teams.

No matter what they say publicly, given a choice between Australia and Pakistan, an Indian fan would not want to lose to Pakistan and vice versa
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I admit there was a period when India/Pakistan rivalry was the best in the world. That died a long back. Many teams are overtaking that spot as India doesn't play pakistan outside these events. Not just Australia.
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Let’s not forget the fact that sky is trash now. He hasn’t scored in ages

But yes I agree there is no rivalry

And sky should be booted out lol
 
Score some runs sky. He should not be the captain in first place. Iyer / pandya deserve it more.
He doesn't even captain MI but got Indian t20 captaincy. Plus he's 35, just 1 year away from int retirement.
 
BDfanforever said:
Asia Cup is not over yet. Pakistan can still qualify for the Final and have a repeat of CT 2017.
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On current form, sl or bdesh might qualify for the finals.

India might lose the next 2 games and not even reach the finals. You never know in t20 especially with a captain like sky who is not the right choice
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
On current form, sl or bdesh might qualify for the finals.

India might lose the next 2 games and not even reach the finals. You never know in t20 especially with a captain like sky who is not the right choice
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Now they all will support Bangladesh and srilanka to beat India.

But Pakistan most likely loosing to Bangladesh
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Very reasonable take. I agree, on a sporting level it hasn't been a rivalry for a very long time. But you never heard someone like Kohli disrespect the Pakistan team like this, eventhough no single batsman in recent memory has dominated them as much as him, or played as many match-winning knocks against them.
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Sky shouldn’t even be in the team.

Let’s not forget that. We have far better players. He is a puppet captain.
 
Red-Indian said:
Yeah it's a fun sideshow at this point.

Indians don't seriously go into these matches worrying about a defeat anymore but there's still those butterflies given the political context. Enough to keep the rivalry alive even from a sporting perspective.
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I think the butterfly is in knockout matches or imp matches.. not for these asia cup level matches or even league games of wc where win loss doesn't matter much
 
sweep_shot said:
Head to head, Pakistan beat the living daylight out of India from 1947 till 2010 (minus a few odd games).

It was only after 2010, India improved.

These are all facts. :inti
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From 2000 till 2009

Tests - India 4, Pakistan 3
ODIs - India 18, Pakistan 22
T20Is - India 2, Pakistan 0

India had the edge in 2/3 formats.

You are right that Pakistan had the edge vs India, but I think Sachin's masterclass at the 2003 world cup changed it in India's favor.
 
Sir Alex said:
Since 2010 (last 15 years),

ODIs - India 13-4
T20Is - India 10-3

Overall - India 23-7

It is not even a contest really
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IPL and the resulting financial expansion of the Indian Cricket economy has taken the Indian team to a higher level.
 
It’s been over for years now, our record is the worst not much to say really but it’s the cricket authorities who group us together every tournament so they want to keep it as such to rake the money in
 
Snowflake said:
Was Indian attitude any different when Pak was dominating? No.

You might be someone who is weak and adjust your attitude based on the direction of the wind, not everyone is like that
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When exactly was Pakistan dominant? In the '80s? Indians were the most humble back then. Even today, Indian cricketers from that era talk respectfully about those Pak cricketers.
 
Snowflake said:
Was Indian attitude any different when Pak was dominating? No.

You might be someone who is weak and adjust your attitude based on the direction of the wind, not everyone is like that
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Pakistan were never as "dominant" as India is now.

They were better than India. They were never the best in the world in any format. Also they didn't defeat India as much as India defeats them now.
 
Savak said:
IPL and the resulting financial expansion of the Indian Cricket economy has taken the Indian team to a higher level.
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Considering the economies are going to keep diverging and India still has lots of improvements to make (It's still a poor country) the gap will keep growing.
 
This is not SKY's own doing. This is all from above.

SKY himself is actually a pretty respectful guy. Was very effusive even in his praise of these associate sides.

Indian fans and our government need to man up and take a stand.

Either accord the same respect to all opposition, including Pakistan, or refuse to play them even in Asia Cups, not just bilaterals.
 
Shouldn’t have made that comment. It’s arrogant and disrespectful to your opponent. These things often come back to haunt. Pakistan can make it to the final and win it all still. If they do that, Sky will look stupid making this comment.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Shouldn’t have made that comment. It’s arrogant and disrespectful to your opponent. These things often come back to haunt. Pakistan can make it to the final and win it all still. If they do that, Sky will look stupid making this comment.
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I don't mind it. This Pakistani team and the PCB deserve it when they keep making the same and new mistakes every game.
 
Hellion said:
This is not SKY's own doing. This is all from above.

SKY himself is actually a pretty respectful guy. Was very effusive even in his praise of these associate sides.

Indian fans and our government need to man up and take a stand.

Either accord the same respect to all opposition, including Pakistan, or refuse to play them even in Asia Cups, not just bilaterals.
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Well then as captain he needs to man up too. It's interesting to imagine what Rohit and Kohli would've done if they were around as captains and this no-handshake order came. I honestly can't see them doing something so petty purely for show.
 
pillionrider said:
Well then as captain he needs to man up too. It's interesting to imagine what Rohit and Kohli would've done if they were around as captains and this no-handshake order came. I honestly can't see them doing something so petty purely for show.
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This is true. I don't think either of them would've done this.
 
He’s speaking facts, is SKY.

Except that that it’s not just facts, Gautam Gambhir & co are playing the role of puppet masters, with a non cricket agenda, and forcing a weak captain to politicise a charged situation.
 
Watching Surya's edits with song ''underworld me jigra yaara naam ka'' are so funny. Guy cannot buy a run and just because of these statements he is a hero now in reels world.
Modi g unemployment khatam karo yaar.
 
Sky should score some runs for a change and not indulge in this political nonsense.

The way he got dismissed for nought on a harmless delivery had me seething and then without a care in world, he just marched towards team dugout, chewing on his quite visible bubble-gum. That was helluva ugly.

You want to be seen as reincarnation of Viv Richards but I never saw bubble-gum showing out of Viv's mouth.
 
Its definitely not a rivalry anymore.

As for Sky, he is already tied with Kohli for most Man of the match awards for India in t20is, averages 38 with 166 str rate.

He has given enough performances, he can say whatever he wants. He is already a t20 legend.
 
I wouldn't expect a captain to say this, but he is spot on here. I mean Indians knows they will win and we know we will lose. The fact that the last 7 matches are all won by India speaks itself about the domination.

As another poster pointed out Pak vs India is more of an ideological and political rivalry then a cricket one. We can step into any sporting arena and there will be few expectations from the people to not lose to either country even thou if they just don't follow that particular sport. Javelin throw is one such case I bet 90% of us didn't even knew about this sport till it became Arshad vs Neeraj rivalry and now they both make headlines whenever they are about to clash anywhere. So, this IndvsPak won't die as it has been for long a money making lottery for ICC, BCCI and PCB.
 
sweep_shot said:
Head to head, Pakistan beat the living daylight out of India from 1947 till 2010 (minus a few odd games).

It was only after 2010, India improved.

These are all facts. :inti
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Let us be fair here. There were no ODIs till 1979. Only Tests.

1950s India won 2 tests, Pakistan won 1.

1960s India was slightly better with spin quartet but no cricket due to wars

1970s India won 2, Pakistan won 2.

1980s Pakistan much better than India in both tests and ODIs. Won a test series in India.

1990s Pakistan was still better than India, winning more tests and ODIs.

2000s India won 4 tests, Pakistan won 3. Pakistan won a few more ODIs but India won a test series in Pakistan. India also won T20 World Cup Final.

2010s India was much better than Pakistan. But Pakistan at least won Champions Trophy Final.

2020s Gap increasing now.
 
At this point, he is just throwing press statements for some social media masala. Probably thought of this line while in shower and decided to say it whether someone asked the question or not. :yk
 
Falconslions said:
Let us be fair here. There were no ODIs till 1979. Only Tests.

1950s India won 2 tests, Pakistan won 1.

1960s India was slightly better with spin quartet but no cricket due to wars

1970s India won 2, Pakistan won 2.

1980s Pakistan much better than India in both tests and ODIs. Won a test series in India.

1990s Pakistan was still better than India, winning more tests and ODIs.

2000s India won 4 tests, Pakistan won 3. Pakistan won a few more ODIs but India won a test series in Pakistan. India also won T20 World Cup Final.

2010s India was much better than Pakistan. But Pakistan at least won Champions Trophy Final.

2020s Gap increasing now.
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Late 1960s early 70s India team was great. Test series wins in WI and Eng in 71 who were strong.
 
globetrotter said:
Now they all will support Bangladesh and srilanka to beat India.

But Pakistan most likely loosing to Bangladesh
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So….?

People will take certificates from the likes of you guys??!? Your universally despised as evidenced by the recent attacks, i mean welcomes you received
 
Feel we're reaching a point of no return now. It's full on hatred between the players and way too much bad blood..


Precedent has been set. No handshakes..full on Gaali Galoch.. direct attacks in the post match pressers.
 
Devadwal said:
India will not lose any matches in this Asia Cup. Period :klopp :kp
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Is he right?

@mominsaigol @Major :yk :inti

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