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When will Pakistan cricket finally move on from Shoaib Malik and Mohammad Hafeez?

Gayle_Force said:
I have not yet seen Iftikhar play one proper cricket shot. Also, it doesnt help that he has already been dropped from the World T20
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He s should have no role really.
He s a nice guy but his best years are behind him.
On of a few current players that the selectors need retire
 
He should bat at no. 5 and play the same role he plays with the ODI team.
 
For the next few games this should be our team:

1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Khurram Manzoor
3. Hafeez
4. Umar Akmal
5. Sarfaraz
6. Nawaz
7. Afridi
8. Anwar Ali
9. Sami
10. Amir
11. Irfan
 
Hafeez averaging 15 since 2015. Today 2 off 11.

Why is this guy still being selected?
 
Because there is no accountability and free rides are more than welcome !
 
This is better from Malik. Pls continue like this consistently.
 
It is mind boggling that Hafeez has such a permanent in the place. There have been better players than him who were benched in the past but Hafeez seems un-droppable no matter what.
 
Why is Hafeez undroppable from Top 3?

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Play him as an opening batsman, he fails there - play him as No. 3. Fails as No. 3, bring him back as an opening bat. And the cycle continues !!

The question is what makes Hafeez undroppable from these 3 positions? Why he can't be dropped to the middle order / lower middle order?
 
Because once he starts bowling again he will be a very important player In the team with a lot of experience of playing in different conditions. He is well out of form right now but by no means is he the weakest link.
 
Hafeez will be back in flat tracks of India. Hafeez has always known to have problems even in slight traces of green track,which happened in Bangladesh.

Dropping him will be overreaction with WC so close.
 
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Hafeez has been officially pakistan team mascot since his debut in 2003 so wont be dropped.
 
Do you get a sense of relief imagining Afridi, Hafeez and Sami out of the team?

I think the end of road is near for Afridi. He can say all he wants that the ‘pressure’ from his friends and family to continue playing is forcing him to rethink his decision to retire. In reality, his failures as a Captain and a player have become too apparent for everyone to see. I hope the PCB replaces the coaching staff as they have proven their inability to produce results.

I hope the new management is forced to acknowledge that Hafeez is no Kohli, Pointing or Joe root, and give the most important one down spot to someone promising like Babar Azam. I hope the new management also acknowledges that Sami after playing for 15 years in 36 tests with the unbelievable pathetic average of 52 was never meant to become a match winner for Pakistan. For starters, these changes should be made as soon as possible.
 
I don't think Afridi was missed much in the ODI squad. T 20 ain't much different.

I must admit I am struggling to look for a captain. I don't think Sarfraz is a T20 player no matter what anyone says or his last labored innings. Malik isn't a great captain. My idea would be to take a good domestic captain.
 
I will if I get someone who can score an 8 ball 23 and take 2 wickets in the same Match. No one in sight. We have won 2 T20a this year.One of them was due to the man whom everybody here deem as the biggest criminal on God's earth . The next game was won by the second biggest criminal ......
 
Hafeez isn't going anywhere and he's still one of the few who can win a match with bat, terrible as he's been these 3 matches
 
Afridi must go. M.Sami had all the talent of the world but has proven again and again that his no more then a domestic god. The graham hick of Pakistan.

Afridi is a coward and we can't win games when your leader is scared.

He should have taken a gamble and opened the inning's.
Him making a quick first 15-20 runs is more then what the opener's have done.

Only person i think should stay for the WC is Hafeez.
 
cricfan14 said:
Hafeez isn't going anywhere and he's still one of the few who can win a match with bat, terrible as he's been these last 20 matches
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Masha'Allah, a Bradmanesque Avg. of 14.05 in 20 T20Is post 2013 with a Gaylesque SR. of 96.89, with this year's 61 being his solitary half-century in this time period.
 
If Hafeez can bowl once his ban ends then he'll still be useful in the ODI team. The other two should have been kicked to the kerb and left there years ago.
 
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Masha'Allah, a Bradmanesque Avg. of 14.05 in 20 T20Is post 2013 with a Gaylesque SR. of 96.89, with this year's 61 being his solitary half-century in this time period.
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Just went through all his scores in this time period and I should specify that the legendary 61 was his only 30+ score as well... :kakmal
 
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I'll be happy to see them out. Hafeez can still be useful in ODIs and tests for flat tracks though.
 
Hafeez has always been terrible as a batsman in T20.

He's bowling in T20s was very economical and put pressure on the opposing team, he doesn't have that now and is a spent force.
 
Imagining these players gone is all and good as none of these players were any good for a while. But relief depends on who is replacing them.

People were relieved of the pain when Ahmed Shehzad was kicked out but then Khurram was the replacement and the pain turned into agony.
 
Mamoon said:
No, because worse players will replace them.
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I know it has been a crap couple of weeks, as an Arsenal fan and as a Pakistan fan, I feel your pain. But you shouldn't be THAT pessimistic. Hafeez has averaged 14 in T20s for past two years and Afridi has been finished for a while. We definitely have bowlers better than Sami as well.

So overall we will probably still be bad after these guys go, but it surely can't get any worse.
 
AamirWarraich said:
I know it has been a crap couple of weeks, as an Arsenal fan and as a Pakistan fan, I feel your pain. But you shouldn't be THAT pessimistic. Hafeez has averaged 14 in T20s for past two years and Afridi has been finished for a while. We definitely have bowlers better than Sami as well.

So overall we will probably still be bad after these guys go, but it surely can't get any worse.
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I'm talking generally, not T20s only. We will struggle to replace Hafeez in Tests and ODIs.
 
Trust me people will miss Afridi in a few months time crying about how our lower order lacks fire power, how our batsmen struggle to hit 4's and 6's e.t.c. Have seen it to many times. But he can't play forever, his body is just not allowing it anymore.
 
AlphaFighter said:
Trust me people will miss Afridi in a few months time crying about how our lower order lacks fire power, how our batsmen struggle to hit 4's and 6's e.t.c. Have seen it to many times. But he can't play forever, his body is just not allowing it anymore.
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We've been missing Afridi for about five years.
 
Mamoon said:
I'm talking generally, not T20s only. We will struggle to replace Hafeez in Tests and ODIs.
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Nahin yaar, Hafeez is good only flat tracks. A hint of swing or seam against anyone bowling above 130kph and becomes useless. Though for the sake of Pakistan, I hope he performs well in these next 11 Tests, 4 in England, 2 vs West Indies in UAE, 2 in New Zealand, and 3 in Australia.
If he plays in them all, excluding the two in UAE, what would you think his average will be?
 
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Mamoon said:
I'm talking generally, not T20s only. We will struggle to replace Hafeez in Tests and ODIs.
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Nahin yaar, Hafeez is good only flat tracks. A hint of swing or seam against anyone bowling above 130kph and becomes useless. Though for the sake of Pakistan, I hope he performs well in these next 11 Tests, 4 in England, 2 vs West Indies in UAE, 2 in New Zealand, and 3 in Australia.
If he plays in them all, excluding the two in UAE, what would you think his average will be?
 
AamirWarraich said:
Nahin yaar, Hafeez is good only flat tracks. A hint of swing or seam against anyone bowling above 130kph and becomes useless. Though for the sake of Pakistan, I hope he performs well in these next 11 Tests, 4 in England, 2 vs West Indies in UAE, 2 in New Zealand, and 3 in Australia.
If he plays in them all, excluding the two in UAE, what would you think his average will be?
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He might be a flat track bully but most of our batsmen are no track bullies. He has looked a class above other openers.

I think he will do well in WI and NZ, whose bowlers are out of form he enjoys batting there.

Australian pitches are the flattest in the world but facing Starc and Hazlewood will not be easy for a batsman of his calibre, while seeing of the new Dukes ball vs Anderson, Broad and Finn will be a massive challenge. However, England is a good place to bat if you survive the first session.

On the bright side, I think we won't see a repeat of the SA nightmare. He is a much more accomplished Test batsman now.
 
Both Hafeez & Malik will be Officially 38 in 2019 WorldCup.


Only Sangakara (Legend of the Game) is a player who has Performed Well as a Batsman at an Age of 37-38 in a WorldCup in the History of all World Cups. Remember (Real Age)



Both the Champions Trophy & World Cup are in England. Both Hafeez & Malik have horrible Odi's Record in England in a Decent Sample Size. Especially Malik who has Horrendous Record barring one innings.


Both Should not be playing Champions Trophy or World Cup if we want to make Semifinals of Either Tournament. Though Hafeez is more of a complete Batsman but both are Lions of Asia and Minnow Bashers. Both have Poor Records against Top Bowling Lineups and Both have Poor Record in Odi World Cups and Champions Trophies they have participated in.



Here is there Below Average Batting & Bowling Record in Odi Cricket they have played in England.


Hafeez followed by Malik.
 

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Again, when it mattered, these two bits & pieces cricketers were unable to step up for their nation.

Will this finally be the end of 20yrs of mediocrity??
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
What a lovely , classy , stylish , eyecatchy innings hafeez played in the 3rd odi against NZ. A treat to watch. Scintillating shots with zero slog. Babar refused him a clear single he got angry and lost focus. Next ball swept and gone of 79 (61). Babar also played a superb knock. The best odi partnership of last 5 years between hafeez and Babar Azam.

Malik after ages justified his comeback by being top odi run getter of the year.


If you are bored of them don't see them. See some other sports or cricket match. It's all about performance.

Hafeez is no yousuf , Saeed Anwar or Inzimam in terms of performances or consistency. Yet who has scored most odi runs in last 5 years for Pakistan? Who has scored most odi centuries for Pakistan in last 5 years ? Did hafeez tie the hands of other openers or number 4,5,6 & 7 of Pakistan team ?

Hafeez and malik are in pakistan team on merit.

Please don't quote the single odi malik played in new Zealand after coming back from injury. Neither the minnows mantra. Just talk about last year's odi performances of Malik and last 5 years odi performances of Hafeez.

Also identify batsman with better technique , temperament, short range etc in pakistan domestic cricket who should replace hafeez & Malik since you don't like them personally.
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Ab bhol, Mr TalentSpotter
 
As long as absolute duffers, who never showed any intelligence or aptitude during their playing and captaincy days are elevated to leadership roles in PCB, things will remain the same...

And players who understood the game and never compromised on principles like Younis and Latif are kept out of the setup, there won't be any improvement.
 
One of them will be the next LOI captain after WC just wait and see
MERRY GO ROUND AND PAKISTAN CRICKET GO HAND IN HAND
 
Dhoni has come & gone

Yet here we are still stuck with these two in 2020

Disgusting
 
LOL at Misbah the clown playing Hafeez, Malik and Ifti uncle in a T20.



I say a round of applause for everyone who backed this loser Misbah and still continues to back him.
 
Iftikhar is a good player, young too just 25 years old, proved himself against the likes of Starc and Cummins, not sure why are people against him?

As far as Hafeez and Malik are concerned, both should of never been selected again, but PCB is addicted to mediocrity.
 
Pakistan will never move on from them even when they retire.

Its about mindset and mentality. We will continue to embody the mentally weak Hafeez-Malik type mindset until we overhaul our way of thinking.
 
Syed1 said:
LOL at Misbah the clown playing Hafeez, Malik and Ifti uncle in a T20.



I say a round of applause for everyone who backed this loser Misbah and still continues to back him.
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How depressing man...this thread dates back to years and we're STILL playing them...
 
I was hoping to see one or two new guys like Haider Ali and Khushdil but what do we get served up? Malik, Hafeez and Ifti! :)))
 
Malik was giving all impressions and indications he would retire after the WC but he is still playing.
 
In Test Cricket its Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq, in Limited overs its Shoaib Malik and Hafeez.
 
Why did Shoaib Malik and Hafeez not bowl? Particularly Hafeez to left handers?

Looks like they are no longer all rounders but in the team for their batting and their 'experience.'

If that is the case, it is sad because we know they fire only once in 5 games - Malik more vulnerable in this regard than Hafeez.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Why did Shoaib Malik and Hafeez not bowl? Particularly Hafeez to left handers?

Looks like they are no longer all rounders but in the team for their batting and their 'experience.'

If that is the case, it is sad because we know they fire only once in 5 games - Malik more vulnerable in this regard than Hafeez.
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A few questions that need to be asked.

1. Should Malik and Hafeez still be referred to as All Rounders if they no longer bowl?
2. How does experience translate to winning games of cricket?
 
When you find better players than them they will be replaced. Simple. Malik and Hafeez are the best we have so no use in crying over their inclusion.
 
Due to their non-involvement today you can rest assured they'll both play the next game on Sunday.

That leaves Haider with one game max and you can probably forget Khushdil entirely.
 
hashimafzal said:
When you find better players than them they will be replaced. Simple. Malik and Hafeez are the best we have so no use in crying over their inclusion.
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How can you judge that if they never get a chance, even in dead rubber series...
 
hashimafzal said:
When you find better players than them they will be replaced. Simple. Malik and Hafeez are the best we have so no use in crying over their inclusion.
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No they are not. Misbah and Babar are scared to lose, and when push comes to shove, we will lose with these 2 budday and then what? T20 team should be a development team, it should be the team where the young players are given opportunities to make a name.
 
hashimafzal said:
Because we like to inflate our T20 win stats
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Stat padding and T20 rankings will mean absolutely nothing when we head to the WT20 with Malik, Hafeez and Ifti as our middle order playing tuk tuk, unable to run a single and dropping dollies.
 
Firebat said:
Stat padding and T20 rankings will mean absolutely nothing when we head to the WT20 with Malik, Hafeez and Ifti as our middle order playing tuk tuk, unable to run a single and dropping dollies.
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No matter who you play in the middle order, we aren't winning the Wt20. So I don't know why PCB is opting for stability as if they have a shout to win the competition. We are in a rebuild and we should be patient, and the board should use this as a opportunity try younger players.

But instead PCB looks for cheap easy wins against teams in bilateral series, when even the opposition is resting key players.
 
unemployedgm said:
A few questions that need to be asked.

1. Should Malik and Hafeez still be referred to as All Rounders if they no longer bowl?
2. How does experience translate to winning games of cricket?
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If experience translated into winning games, we'd be the number one team in all formats! (esp if using real ages)
 
hashimafzal said:
No matter who you play in the middle order, we aren't winning the Wt20. So I don't know why PCB is opting for stability as if they have a shout to win the competition. We are in a rebuild and we should be patient, and the board should use this as a opportunity try younger players.

But instead PCB looks for cheap easy wins against teams in bilateral series, when even the opposition is resting key players.
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See I think that the WT20 is one competition where there is more of a level playing field so can't really rule anyone out. Pak have players, both inside the squad and outside that could make them go far.

With Imad Wasim, we have one of the best T20 bowlers out there along with Amir. Just a case of getting some big hitters who can play around Babar. I don't think there's room to play all Malik, Hafeez and Ifti in that respect.

I don't think Misbah will be keen on dropping them so we would still need to legislate for one or two out of that group but hopefully not all three.
 
hashimafzal said:
When you find better players than them they will be replaced. Simple. Malik and Hafeez are the best we have so no use in crying over their inclusion.
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This is a new concept started by the media to back Pakistan Cricket. "The best players are playing." I've heard Rashid Latif, Shoaib Akhtar, and Wasim Akram say this.

The best players are 100% not playing. But this is what you say when you know nothing about domestic cricket and don't care enough to do your homework.
 
As they were still available for selection, I would have liked ONE of either Malik or Hafeez in the world cup t20 squad for this year, preferably Hafeez given Maliks troubles in SENA countries. Its a reasonable step to have one experienced head/batsmen in a world cup tournament were the rest of the team would have been novices.

However, with the delay and looking at their age and current performances, time for both to go. This england series should really be there swansongs.

This is an ideal time to build a young team and give them a year to gel before next years world cup.
 
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