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Surely he is one of,if not the best,batsmen of this generation.But where does he rank among the all time greats like Tendulkar,Lara,Ponting and Richards?
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Not even in the top 5 imo.Viv is the best ODI player of all time. He played in an era against faster bowlers without helmets.
In tests he isn't even the best in this era.
Top 5 in one day cricket.
Top 20 in tests.
Not even in the top 5 imo.
Viv
ABD
Amla
Sachin
Gilchrist.
Not even in the top 5 imo.
Viv
ABD
Amla
Sachin
Gilchrist.
Gilchrist averages 35. Kohli averages 58. There's absolutely no argument for picking Gilchrist over Kohli.
I never understood why Gilchrist is rated so high, when Anwar, Amla, Jayasuriya, and plenty of other openers were better than him. He shouldn't even be in the top 15.
Gilchrist averages 35. Kohli averages 58. There's absolutely no argument for picking Gilchrist over Kohli.
I never understood why Gilchrist is rated so high, when Anwar, Amla, Jayasuriya, and plenty of other openers were better than him. He shouldn't even be in the top 15.
Top ten in ODIs. (He needs a major WC to be considered alongside VIV and Sachin)
Greatest T20 batsman of all time. (Gayle is great but nobody paces an innings quite like Kohli in twenty overs)
Top five Test batsmen of this generation but not even top fifteen of all time.
Top ten in ODIs. (He needs a major WC to be considered alongside VIV and Sachin)
Greatest T20 batsman of all time. (Gayle is great but nobody paces an innings quite like Kohli in twenty overs)
Top five Test batsmen of this generation but not even top fifteen of all time.
As strictly Number 3/4’s or Overall?Whom all will you pick in ODIs ahead of Kohli?
As strictly Number 3/4’s or Overall?
I’ll give you overall:
Sachin (despite him being a serial bottler)
VIV (the MAN, no ifs and or buts)
Ponting (criminally underrated on this forum)
Bevan (The best chaser in ODIs)
Inzimam-up-Haq (93 50’s and a WC SF’ special)
AB de Villers (Most versatile batsman I’ve seen; it’s a shame he’s so chicken-hearted and mentally fragile)
MS Dhoni (Prime Dhoni was unreal and a torture for PAK fans)
Gilchrist (Fantastic under pressure with three consecutive WC Final 50’s)
Honorable Mention:
Miandad (Only batsmen in my top 10 that I would rank lower in contention than Kohli because his last four years damaged his overall career)
He is what stands between India and an England victory
As strictly Number 3/4’s or Overall?
I’ll give you overall:
Sachin (despite him being a serial bottler)
VIV (the MAN, no ifs and or buts)
Ponting (criminally underrated on this forum)
Bevan (The best chaser in ODIs)
Inzimam-up-Haq (93 50’s and a WC SF’ special)
AB de Villers (Most versatile batsman I’ve seen; it’s a shame he’s so chicken-hearted and mentally fragile)
MS Dhoni (Prime Dhoni was unreal and a torture for PAK fans)
Gilchrist (Fantastic under pressure with three consecutive WC Final 50’s)
Honorable Mention:
Miandad (Only batsmen in my top 10 that I would rank lower in contention than Kohli because his last four years damaged his overall career)
AB mastered in form Johnson and he is mentaly fragile. Tells us more about yourself than of the player.
He may be but he has memorable knocks and better match-winning stats than the majority of players to have played ODIs.Inzy is so overrated in ODIs.
He may be but he has memorable knocks and better match-winning stats than the majority of players to have played ODIs.
Not to mention dream WC SF and Final performances which sadly cannot be said of even the most uber talented and legendary players.
As strictly Number 3/4’s or Overall?
I’ll give you overall:
Sachin (despite him being a serial bottler)
VIV (the MAN, no ifs and or buts)
Ponting (criminally underrated on this forum)
Bevan (The best chaser in ODIs)
Inzimam-up-Haq (93 50’s and a WC SF’ special)
AB de Villers (Most versatile batsman I’ve seen; it’s a shame he’s so chicken-hearted and mentally fragile)
MS Dhoni (Prime Dhoni was unreal and a torture for PAK fans)
Gilchrist (Fantastic under pressure with three consecutive WC Final 50’s)
Honorable Mention:
Miandad (Only batsmen in my top 10 that I would rank lower in contention than Kohli because his last four years damaged his overall career)
#1 in tests
Top 3 in ODIs.
He's going to retire as the greatest. He's already passed teenda.
#1 in tests
Top 3 in ODIs.
He's going to retire as the greatest. He's already passed teenda.
This is for all time. Surely noone can pass Sir Bradman in Tests?
Brave call. Who are top 2 in ODIs?
WC final performance?? Which one man??
Okay, let me illustrate by comparing him with another Pakistani player and actually his contemporary, Saeed Anwar.
<B>Overall Career(ODI):-</B>
Anwar- Average:- 39, SR:- 80, 100s:- 20
Inzamam:- Average:- 39, SR:- 74, 100s:- 10
Since 90s was the toughest decade for batting, when bowling attack was the best and conditions werent all that easy:-
<B>Anwar:- Average:- 40 , SR:- 83, 100s:- 17
Inzamam:- Average:- 39, SR:- 72, 100s:- 6</B>
Now, when you look at Inzy performance outside Asia taking his whole career till 2007:-
Australia:- 26
SA:- 27
England:- 35
West Indies:- 47 but at SR of 64
<B>His performance against the two best bowling attacks of his era:-</B>
Aus:- 31
SA:- 30
<B>His performance in ICC tournaments:-</B>
Average of 23 at a SR of 71 with 0 100 and 4 50s. Anwar has far better numbers and quite a few of performances.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ts;trophy=12;trophy=44;trophy=67;type=batting
Funnily enough, when you look at the link, he is at no.5 behind Anwar, Miandad, Yousuf and Misbah. The only hype he gets is because of that 1992 WC semi final cameo. When it comes to ODIs, Saeed Anwar is by far the best batsmen Pakistan have ever produced.
Inzamam is a top ODI bat but these numbers mean he is not even close to ATG in that format. He is actually more underrated in Tests.
#1 in tests
Top 3 in ODIs.
He's going to retire as the greatest. He's already passed teenda.
Saeed Anwar is great but a lot of his 100’s are against trundler NZ and IND sides with the likes of Nash, Larsen, Astle, Prasad, Joshi, Robin Singh, etc.
Inzimam came in at 4-197 with both set batsmen out and had to raise the score to a competitive one with Wasim in the Final. Although he didn’t even score fifty, it was enough to accelerate the innings and give Pakistan the momentum to succeed.
His obvious shortcomings against SA and AUS are well noted but he really came into his own in the early 00’s as a batsman. Most of his matches came against fellow Asian sides whom he had averages of 72 (BD), 44 (IND), and 45 (SL). His notable twenty-four Man of the Match awards are a testament to his ability to help steer the game home.
He’s not the greatest ODI player neither is he in the top five but certainly makes a case for top ten. When you look at the likes of AB, Gayle, Lara, Anwar, they might have scored wonderful hundreds in the WC but never when it was needed the most. Anwar scored a hundred in the 99’ SF against NZ military medium pacers but failed in the Final. Inzimam’s mark in the 92’ WC made his mark as a batsman in the 50-over format.
The way a couple of knocks in WC final and semis are hyped, if we use same parameter of judgement, then by the same token, Waqar Younis can be hailed as nothing more than just a good ODI bowler.
Well, tbh, Wasim Akram completely owned the 1992 WC final match his very own with the bat and then with the bowl. Inzy played a decent part but hardly there is much to talk about that.
Now, you are underrating Anwar because he smacked Kiwis and Indian trundlers in ODIs but you are forgetting that Inzy has done all his smacking against them only and BD were a nothing side, lol. Inzy's inning in 92 semis was against NZ only. It was a great knock but outside that, he has got nothing to show. Nothing in ICC tourneys for the 15 years of his peak career after establishing himself as a premier batsmen as early as back in 1992.
An average of 23 is very poor in ICC Tourneys and he was one of their main reasons why Pak underachieved in ICC tourneys even when they had a very strong team all his career. Then you have got plain stats stating the overall performance of Anwar and Inzy as well as their performance in 90s.
Both of them, though, were terrible against top two bowling attacks- Aus and SA.
Anwar was decent against AUS in Tests and even had a hundred in SA against Donald, Pollock, Klusner, etc.
I agree about Inzimam that he achieved zilch in WC’s after his 92’ exploits. But that is why we are are even considering him as a great ODI player because of those two legendary knocks, the Final being an afterthought (although understandably).
But Inzimam’s record in ODIs as a great middle order batsman cannot be proven by his “respectable for his era” stats of 40 at a 74 SR. It’s in his defining moments such as the twin 120’s against IND (even though PAK lost), averaging 52 in his final ODI series in AUS (2005), etc.
That’s why I put Inzimam in my top 10.
Some players are measured by their impact instead of performance. Flintoff, Devon, Gillespie, INZIMAM fall into that category.
He is not in SRTs league, whenever SRT came to bat there was something about him that got you very excited and when he unleashed the strokes, I would feel goosebumps and chills going down my spine.... Kohli is great but SRT is the king of kings, he was a freak of nature, like one human in a billion... Kohli imo is more in Ponting's class...
I don't rate Bradman.
One of the greatest batsmen of all time at the peak of his powers. He is levels above any batsman Pakistan has ever produced and has defined an era.
By the time he hangs his boots, he will be the greatest batsman of the last 30-40 years. His talent, passion, dedication and intensity are unmatched. A living legend, and arguably the most influential superstar of all time as well.
De Villiers, Smith, Root etc. cannot touch him.
Not even in the top 5 imo.
Viv
ABD
Amla
Sachin
Gilchrist.
Possibly either the most biased or ill-informed list ever!
Virat's already ahead of Gilchrist and Amla. In ODIs he has already left ABD behind. Only Sachin and Viv are better then him at the moment, and the way he's going. he'll leave them behind too.