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Where would Ravi Ashwin hundred rate on seemingly unplayable pitch and India tottering on 85-5?
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Ashwin alone has scored more runs than each of England's batsmen.
Give him 15 more mins and he'll score more runs than all of them put together.
What a bunch of boffins with Michael Vaughan as their hero.
Give him 15 more mins and he'll score more runs than all of them put together.
What a bunch of boffins with Michael Vaughan as their hero.
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Nowhere.. You see.. Indian spinners are bog average and need 45 degree angle variations to get the wickets on raging turners.
Indian batsmen can only score on flattest Wickets.. India has no cricketing talent.
Indian batsmen can only score on flattest Wickets.. India has no cricketing talent.
On a serious note , this pitch is v v difficult to bat ,even for an Indian (forget english players)
But Ravi has shown absolute masterclass ..
Guess this wasnt requiered and hence this innings may not be talked much going ahead
Had india not got the first innings lead , this would have been gold standard and once in a lifetime innings
But as Piers Morgan just tweeteed - greatest hundred on an unplayable pitch !!!
But Ravi has shown absolute masterclass ..
Guess this wasnt requiered and hence this innings may not be talked much going ahead
Had india not got the first innings lead , this would have been gold standard and once in a lifetime innings
But as Piers Morgan just tweeteed - greatest hundred on an unplayable pitch !!!
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A few years back, I never really thought of Ashwin as an all-rounder. I thought he was at best a night watchman if I'm being honest.
He has improved considerably with the bat, I can acknowledge him as an all-rounder now.
The guy is gonna be a test match modern great, that's for sure. If there are no injuries, he can make it to at least 500 test match wickets.
I wasn't watching the match so I wouldn't know if the pitch flattened out a bit, but he did show some serious composure and match awareness with this knock.
England have no chance to win this game, though if the likes of Sibley bat at strike rates of 20-30, they might get a draw out of this.
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5th test hundred for Ashwin.
29 5-fers in Tests.
In Ashwin, we trust.
29 5-fers in Tests.
In Ashwin, we trust.
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Ashwin was born to play Test cricket. A giant and a titan of the game.
He would have been one of the greats even if he was a number 11, but his resilience with the bat has made him a cricketer who has no equal in this format.
He is also very smart, which is not surprising because he is educated and most South Indians are intelligent.
He could have been a great captain as well and has a bright future as a future commentator analyst. His understanding of the game is impeccable.
It is a privilege to have watched his Test career from the start and hopefully until the end. He is going to leave a gigantic hole in the Indian team when he leaves.
My updated list for the top 5 greatest Asian Test cricketers of all time:
1. Tendulkar
2. Kohli
3. Ashwin
4. Imran
5. Gavaskar
The reason why I put Kohli ahead of Ashwin is because of what he has achieved as a Test captain and the way he changed the Indian fast bowling culture and performed with the bat under the pressure of captaincy, but I can fully understand if someone would rate Ashwin over him.
I did not consider Muralitharan because I do not recognize his record. He was a chucker and should have been banned permanently in 1995.
He would have been one of the greats even if he was a number 11, but his resilience with the bat has made him a cricketer who has no equal in this format.
He is also very smart, which is not surprising because he is educated and most South Indians are intelligent.
He could have been a great captain as well and has a bright future as a future commentator analyst. His understanding of the game is impeccable.
It is a privilege to have watched his Test career from the start and hopefully until the end. He is going to leave a gigantic hole in the Indian team when he leaves.
My updated list for the top 5 greatest Asian Test cricketers of all time:
1. Tendulkar
2. Kohli
3. Ashwin
4. Imran
5. Gavaskar
The reason why I put Kohli ahead of Ashwin is because of what he has achieved as a Test captain and the way he changed the Indian fast bowling culture and performed with the bat under the pressure of captaincy, but I can fully understand if someone would rate Ashwin over him.
I did not consider Muralitharan because I do not recognize his record. He was a chucker and should have been banned permanently in 1995.
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A five-star match-winning innings from an ATG of the game. A great bowler and a genuine all-rounder.
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Ashwin is a high quality cricketer and destined to have career in the media when his career is done.
Kohli and fast bowling culture? Opening with 2 spinners and moaning at ball seam when he didnt get a turning pitch? lol
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Champion cricketer. He has mastered all conditions as well. This innings was by far the most impactful with the bat.
Not sure it was all that impact full as India would have won regardless.
Why would you open with two fast bowlers on a pitch like this where even Moeen Ali is turning square? You have to play according to the situation.
I find you a sensible poster from across the border
But i did say i somehow disagree with one thing on here ..
I did put Wasin Akram in that list !!
Maybe wait a little bit more games before throwing Ashwin in there just yet
But Akram has to be there !!! And may be just a maybe MSD as he started the change in our mentality and probably he is the greatest Asian captain ever ( and i daresay even better than Imran as a captain over the long long run !!)
Just my point !
Horses for courses??
He has asked for a rank turner and somebody is saying he is promoting fast bowling culture.. I dont know what to say. He was also openly complaining about ball seam in the last match but wont complain no more join the dots.
Exactly spinners for spinning tracks. where is fast bowling promotion here?
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Ashwin made a statement with his hundred today. All English commies and pundits were blasting the pitch yesterday. Now all those mouths are shut. I wish we had cricketers of this calibre playing for us!
It does not change any body opinion on the pitch itself. it just means that he was able to score runs on it. There are players in England camp who have scored double 100s on green tracks would not mean it was not green.
The pitch and players performances should not be mixed. We all know England do not have the greatest of spinners in the squad Moean Ali is an allrounder.
You have to check the record of how Indian fast bowlers performed under him in the last four years to understand how he promoted fast bowling. Look at how Shami and Umesh bowled even in India in last few years.
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Smith's second innings against India at Pune is widely regarded as the greatest innings of the last decade. I see no difference in the context of that innings and this one. How does this rank poorer compared to that innings?
Greatest Cricketer ever from the state of Tamil Nadu for sure and probably goes on to become greatest ever Indian Spinner (surpassing Kumble! Only area Kumble scores over him is "longevity"...) Probably should also be playing LOIs, but white balls today help only wrist spinners!
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2 questions. Why ashwin ahead of imran. Imran has better bowling and batting figures. If ashwin goes on to take another 100 wickets sure he can be put ahead. And then why gavaskar? Younis khan and gavaskar have pretty similar figures.
My list would be:
1.tendulkar
2.kohli
3.imran
4.ashwin
5.wasim
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India's top 5 greatest test cricketers of all-time:-
1. Sachin Tendulkar
2. Sunil Gavaskar
3. Ravichandran Ashwin
4. Virat Kohli
5. Kapil Dev
They performed equally well under Rahane captaincy. Virat is more like promoting spin culture more than even past captains.
Rahane has captained hardly four matches and that too in the absence of Kohli. So he just carried forward the team Kohli built.
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Why is sunil gavaskar rated so highly. I only started watching cricket in the last 12 years so dont have much of an idea on him.
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Averaged 51 as a test opener
First to cross 10 000 run-mark in test cricket
Was equally good home and away
Kholi also carried forward team that Dhoni built. But both Dhoni and Kohli openly asked for turning pitches at home and therefore promoting spin culture. So i dont know where fast bowling culture has come from? Even if we say during virat captaincy fast bowlers have performed well or had improved performances that doesn't imply promoting fast bowling culture it mean he used them well.
Promoting the fast bowling culture would mean asking for pitches that aid fast bowling and moaning at this current pitch rather than moaning at ball seam on a flat pitch.
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As we have said again and again and again (and which you conveniently ignore), in India, in last 5+ years our pacers have taken over 60% of wickets. Apart from chennai pitch which is naturally spinning, every other pitch supports fast bowlers
Now you can ignore this and start lying again based on one pitch
I have seen 2 pitches that supports fast bowling and they always did even before Kholi started playing or even Dhoni. So what sort of promotion he did apart from openly shouting for turning tracks?
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Ashwin is an outstanding cricketer. I have always been a massive fan and as Mamoon already mentioned, his intelligence and understanding of the game is one of the most major reasons why he has been so successful and also why he has been able to constantly improve with both bat and ball.
Unquestionably his best knock considering it was an extremely difficult wicket to bat on, and certainly one he will forever cherish considering it came on his home ground.
Unquestionably his best knock considering it was an extremely difficult wicket to bat on, and certainly one he will forever cherish considering it came on his home ground.
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Mostly due to weak bowling and some luck. The most unathletic, ungainly and lucky test player for india.
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Credited Rathore.. wonder why ?Just for practicing?
“ have been practicing with Vikram Rathore (batting coach), I would love to credit him with how my batting has come through over the last four- five matches”
“ have been practicing with Vikram Rathore (batting coach), I would love to credit him with how my batting has come through over the last four- five matches”
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Monster performance with bat and ball. Especially loved it because he made Michael Vaughan put his foot in his mouth regarding the pitch. Won India the game, time to switch focus to the next one
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Fantastic Test cricketer, the best Indian spinner of all time for sure in Tests.
What? Why would any subcontinental captain ask for fast bowling pitches against a SENA team in a home series? You have to play to your home advantage.
He supported fast bowlers during his tenure and openly supported aggressive fast bowling. Dhoni played with the likes of Vinay Kumar in Australia.Shami debuted under him but bowled much better and faster under Kohli. Even Umesh improved his performances under Kohli’s tenure. Saini also debuted under him whose only skill till now appears to be bowling quick.
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He has the intelligence of a grandmaster, the way he attacked the dengerous looking duo of Jack and Moeen from the get go with sweeps and reverse sweep and messed up their length and momentum was Petersenesque.
Promoting fast bowling culture is more than just including likes of Bumrah, Ishant, Shami in the team as they get into the team on merit.. How many times Yadav played? Promoting the fast bowling culture would involve asking for wickets that suit them and not shamefully asking for turning tracks and moain about seam every time its not delivered and team loses.
Nothing wrong with asking for turning tracks but whats this ******** of promoting fast bowling culture etc?
Dhoni is not the greatest Asian captain. He can't be with his less than average record in Test matches and overall performance as a captain during Test matches.
ODI or LOI surely he is pretty great and once consider him to be one of the top all time captains. But he did not have the aptitude for Test cricket.
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ATG knock here considering the turning pitch and how others have played here.
Just 100 can come by some tail on a flat pitch by taking chances, but Ashwin was top of the game on a difficult pitch. What a way to prove that it was not an unplayable pitch ......
Just 100 can come by some tail on a flat pitch by taking chances, but Ashwin was top of the game on a difficult pitch. What a way to prove that it was not an unplayable pitch ......
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That is for test cricket. Overall, I would say, the top 3 are:-
1. Sachin Tendulkar
2. Virat Kohli
3. Kapil Dev
I was telling about greatest from Tamil Nadu! I think the gap between him and next best from TN is huge (Kris Srikanth, M.Vijay???)
Of course we will ask for pitches to suit our fast bowlers if Pakistan is invited (because the spin-playing giants Younis, Yousuf, Inzamam, Ijaz, etc, may return and we will be scared of them!)
Promoting fast bowling culture is to prepare ourselves playing in SENA countries and not India itself! However the combination of Ashwin/Jadeja allowed us play 3rd seamer (because they both together were more effective than 3 normal spinners and their batting allowed us play extra bowler - and now with Pant in the team we will forever play 5 regular bowlers both home & away which most teams would never ever even dream to do!)
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One of the best for sure. He hasn't played sweep shot since he was 19. On this pitch sweep is high percentage survival shot than playing down the line. He executed each and every sweep shot with perfection.
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Excellent knock, scored effectively without playing to many high risk shots. Could end up with two 5s in match (10 wickets) and a 100 here. Wont be surprised if he stars on day 4 with the ball again.
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Ashwin has always scored when the team was in crisis, Ashwin is the dream player to have in any Team.Very very good intellectual cricketer, greatest spin bowling all rounder ever.
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It was a very good knock. Ashwin has declined with the bat in the last couple of years. But this was a good reminder of what he can do .
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Night watchmen term could be used for someone like Kumble who averaged 18-19. Ashwin is twice the batsman than that.
On the contrary, his battingbform has been detiorated in last 3-4 years, used to average around 40 odd.
On the contrary, his battingbform has been detiorated in last 3-4 years, used to average around 40 odd.
1. Gavaskar was an opener, and for that reason you should add about 5 to his average when you compare.
2. If you take out Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, YK averages 44 compared to Gavaskar's 51 (or 56 with +5 for opener).
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting
3. By the time YK was playing, WI bowling was a shadow of its former self, and consequently the averages of many non-WI batsmen went up.
I am not saying prepare fast pitches but what is this business he is promoting fast bowling culture? He is doing what he think he needs to win which is asking for turners.
Lucky all the way to becoming the #1 rated Test bowler
I know you are trolling as usual, but I was feeling kindly this morning so I thought I would respond.
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Lucky all the way to becoming the #1 rated Test bowler
I know you are trolling as usual, but I was feeling kindly this morning so I thought I would respond.
I agree I am biased against him. Something about him makes me dislike him. I think it was after he failed to perform on home pitches against england where KP neutralized him. Harbhajan was another spinner I disliked and loved to see him fail.
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On what planet does Ashwin show as a great cricketer than wasim. Really does show hoe delude indian fans are.
Wasims will go down as one of greatest bowlers in history of the game let alone in asia.
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Not anymore, your idol's time is up. New legends have arisen.
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So no justification then, just more deluded thinking from indian fans.
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Ashwin is a great of the game.
His performances overseas in the last three years have done well to wipe away the atrocities of previous tours.
His performances overseas in the last three years have done well to wipe away the atrocities of previous tours.
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More like the last 5 years. I don't think he had any poor away series in the last 5 years.
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You are correct.
The only series where he did poor was the 2014-15 Border-Gavaskar series.
Since then, he’s had one slightly off series against NZ but other than that, he’s been amazing.
IND is very lucky to have someone like him. And still not yet 35.
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Ashwin despite being a frontline bowler is better with bat than Rathore ever was,.
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I think he's a big underachiever with bat, that average should have been close to 40 .
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An excellent knock in extremely difficult conditions.
I will qualify it though by saying England doesn't have half good spinners and rested their best fast bowlers.
Therefore it will be an 8 out of 10 for me - still amazing.
I will qualify it though by saying England doesn't have half good spinners and rested their best fast bowlers.
Therefore it will be an 8 out of 10 for me - still amazing.
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AND,
Sunny Gavaskar faced likes of Garner, Walsh, Marshall, Andy Roberts (I think sunny believed he was the best among fast bolwers), Lillee and many others.. all this before pre-helmet era.
I had the pleasure of watching most of his innings live. Superb technique and steely determination with a special liking for windies bowlers who were a terror pack
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This innings is being overrated. There was no pressure to score runs and india already had a winning lead. This was the most pressure less situation once can get to score runs.
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India already had a lead of around 300 runs and match out of England's reach when this innings was played. Good innings but nothing like coming at 50-5 and scoring a century.
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Do you consider kapil at no 6 ? I feel he and Imran should be no 1 combined . Ash is combined no 2 with tendulkar . No 3 shoukd be Kohli amd Jadeja combined
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He was decent in the 2014 BG series. The wickets were atrociously flat for that series.
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England had 200+ lead in first test. Still got out for a low score in second innings.
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Hey buddy.... Good to see you back.
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In the match context, probably.
But in the larger context of busting certain narratives and strengthening India's case reg its pitches, its a golden golden knock.
This knock is hardly a pressure knock but its hailed for its brilliance on a tough pitch.
To put it in context, Ashwin put out masterclass on how to judiciously use sweep and mix it with other shots to score runs here.
When England came on to bat next, we saw a sweep overload leading to them crumbling without a fight.
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Nice to see you back too Sif, good to see some old timers here!
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