Which Indian players would make it into PSL this year?

[silentkiller187]

IPL is like English premier league, exciting comes with the razzmatazz, on paper looks formidable, has the superstar players, the showbiz, but if you look past that the quality of the cricket on show, technically is not great, im not saying thats a bad thing because you will get some exciting games of the lack of this. if you look at the Natwest blast or BBL technically they may be better however they may also be more boring. therefore everyone needs to take each product as it is and stop this comparing because you will never reach a conclusion.

 

[ammar_merry]

Pata nahi aapki kitni needain urr gayi when Abbas was bowling 120 KPH thunderbolts to Labuschagnes and Crawleys.

That was not in PSL but tests and abbas avgs 21 in tests.

 

[Local.Dada]

That was not in PSL but tests and abbas avgs 21 in tests.

Yes and no one called him a bad bowler. Just pointing out that your best bowler bowls at 115-120 clicks

 

[OldWarHorse]

There is a reason Gayle and AB could buy a run...

Yeah but Big Ben Dunk, Ronchi and Chris Lynn can...and in big numbers.

 

[Mamoon]

IPL is like English premier league, exciting comes with the razzmatazz, on paper looks formidable, has the superstar players, the showbiz, but if you look past that the quality of the cricket on show, technically is not great, im not saying thats a bad thing because you will get some exciting games of the lack of this. if you look at the Natwest blast or BBL technically they may be better however they may also be more boring. therefore everyone needs to take each product as it is and stop this comparing because you will never reach a conclusion.

What is technical quality of cricket? What do Natwest Blast and BBL have that IPL lacks in terms of technical quality of cricket?

 

[Mesozoic]

Yeah but Big Ben Dunk, Ronchi and Chris Lynn can...and in big numbers.

Ronchi averages 13 or something in the IPL when he played a few for MI.

But plays like a superman in phaasht super league.

 

[naseem]

Yeah but Big Ben Dunk, Ronchi and Chris Lynn can...and in big numbers.

Dunk and Lynn are T20 veterans from Bash....... Ronchi has just a year left in him like Watto......at best 2....... But fact is fact...

Pollard AB Russell et all don't have similar fun moments as they usually have in IPL..... Reason is obvious.....it is other thing that some won't accept it.....who cares

 

[Mamoon]

There is a reason Gayle and AB could buy a run...

And what is the reason for mediocre batsmen scoring heaps of runs in PSL?

 

[tyron_woodley]

IPL is like English premier league, exciting comes with the razzmatazz, on paper looks formidable, has the superstar players, the showbiz, but if you look past that the quality of the cricket on show, technically is not great, im not saying thats a bad thing because you will get some exciting games of the lack of this. if you look at the Natwest blast or BBL technically they may be better however they may also be more boring. therefore everyone needs to take each product as it is and stop this comparing because you will never reach a conclusion.

uh please. ipl is league's beyond BBL which is like serie B compared to lpl.

not familiar with natwest. what's that? England's t20? they must be good then because their team is quakity.

 

[silentkiller187]

What is technical quality of cricket? What do Natwest Blast and BBL have that IPL lacks in terms of technical quality of cricket?

For one you see a lot more "textbook cricket shots" t20 is not about swinging the bat gung ho or trying to ramp or reverse every ball for six, there has to be method to the madness,players still need to try and compose an innings rather than trying to become an overnight sensation and it is a lot more evident in the natwest blast and bbl in comparison to the bollywood spectacle of IPL. which is more enjoyable is down to personal preference therefore arguments like these are as redundant as say whats the best colour.

 

[silentkiller187]

uh please. ipl is league's beyond BBL which is like serie B compared to lpl.

not familiar with natwest. what's that? England's t20? they must be good then because their team is quakity.

again what criteria are we using to come up with what league is better? if its technical aspects then in my humble opinion your wrong, if its showbiz cheer leading then mixed with a few sixes here and there then your 100% correct.

 

[Smbhayi]

None of them..

 

[Mamoon]

For one you see a lot more "textbook cricket shots" t20 is not about swinging the bat gung ho or trying to ramp or reverse every ball for six, there has to be method to the madness,players still need to try and compose an innings rather than trying to become an overnight sensation and it is a lot more evident in the natwest blast and bbl in comparison to the bollywood spectacle of IPL. which is more enjoyable is down to personal preference therefore arguments like these are as redundant as say whats the best colour.

So the likes of Kohli, Rohit, KL Rahul, Dhawan, Williamson, Smith, De Kock, Bairstow, Faf, Buttler, Gill, Shaw, Agarwal etc. do not play textbook shots and only rely on ramps and reverse shots?

You clearly sound like someone who has not watched a single match of IPL and has no idea what he is talking about.

I bet you cannot even name the batsmen in BBL and Natwest T20 blast who play the “textbook cricket shots” that you are talking about.

 

[Local.Dada]

Since Kohli and co are not good enough to make it to the PSL, Kohli as our official brand ambassador of Aman ki aasha might just buy out/bail out the entire PSL with one of the pay cheques he gets from an IPL season.

Anushka can get all the producers/technicians from Paatal lok etc for production, that would infinitely Increase the Production values of the PSL.

Win win for everyone

 

[Mamoon]

again what criteria are we using to come up with what league is better? if its technical aspects then in my humble opinion your wrong, if its showbiz cheer leading then mixed with a few sixes here and there then your 100% correct.

The percentage of best players in the world that play in IPL is far higher than the percentage in BBL and Natwest T20.

So are you saying that these best players are inferior in technical aspects to the mid-tier players that play in BBL and Natwest T20?

Will those leagues lose technical quality if the likes of Kohli, Rohit, Williamson, Smith, Warner, Dhawan, KL Rahul, de Kock, Faf etc. turn up in those leagues?

You are making zero sense and you know it. And if you don’t know it, then it means that you are not even listening to yourself.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Many if not most of 'em

 

[Smbhayi]

For one you see a lot more "textbook cricket shots" t20 is not about swinging the bat gung ho or trying to ramp or reverse every ball for six, there has to be method to the madness,players still need to try and compose an innings rather than trying to become an overnight sensation and it is a lot more evident in the natwest blast and bbl in comparison to the bollywood spectacle of IPL. which is more enjoyable is down to personal preference therefore arguments like these are as redundant as say whats the best colour.

So as per you T20 WC and T20 bilaterals also less quality since they also play less "textbook cricket shot"..

 

[Local.Dada]

The percentage of best players in the world that play in IPL is far higher than the percentage in BBL and Natwest T20.

So are you saying that these best players are inferior in technical aspects to the mid-tier players that play in BBL and Natwest T20?

Will those leagues lose technical quality if the likes of Kohli, Rohit, Williamson, Smith, Warner, Dhawan, KL Rahul, de Kock, Faf etc. turn up in those leagues?

You are making zero sense and you know it. And if you don’t know it, then it means that you are not even listening to yourself.

As I said on a different thread, PSL’s biggest selling point is making a mark and sustaining despite all the adversities they faced. Doesn’t matter if they have Warner or Chigumbura. On that emotional quotient it sets itself apart from IPl which is commendable and as Indian even we would applaud that. Right now it’s not the cricket exactly.

There was a documentary about Afghan cricket a few years back that was inspiring as to how these players kept the cricket flag flying despite wars etc. Now if they come out and start saying they are better than India, Aus or WI in their prime, all of a sudden the attention would be diverted to ridicule which is sad.

I hate making fun of the PSL because it actually is an inspiring story but this delusion takes the focus away.

 

[silentkiller187]

The percentage of best players in the world that play in IPL is far higher than the percentage in BBL and Natwest T20.

So are you saying that these best players are inferior in technical aspects to the mid-tier players that play in BBL and Natwest T20?

Will those leagues lose technical quality if the likes of Kohli, Rohit, Williamson, Smith, Warner, Dhawan, KL Rahul, de Kock, Faf etc. turn up in those leagues?

You are making zero sense and you know it. And if you don’t know it, then it means that you are not even listening to yourself.

No im saying just because IPL has the best players, the players propping them up below are sub standard, the guy who won the match yesterday for RR couldnt even hit the ball until cotterell helped him out with the leg side bouncers. The point i was trying make ultimately is IPL is worshipped like it is miles ahead of any one else because they have money, but in relaity that is far from the truth.

 

[silentkiller187]

So as per you T20 WC and T20 bilaterals also less quality since they also play less "textbook cricket shot"..

no because the standard of player below the superstars is still very consistent, take away the superstars from the IPL and you would have a different story.

 

[Mesozoic]

No im saying just because IPL has the best players, the players propping them up below are sub standard, the guy who won the match yesterday for RR couldnt even hit the ball until cotterell helped him out with the leg side bouncers. The point i was trying make ultimately is IPL is worshipped like it is miles ahead of any one else because they have money, but in relaity that is far from the truth.

Okay fair enough. Which league do you think is the best out there ?

Just curious.

 

[Local.Dada]

No im saying just because IPL has the best players, the players propping them up below are sub standard, the guy who won the match yesterday for RR couldnt even hit the ball until cotterell helped him out with the leg side bouncers. The point i was trying make ultimately is IPL is worshipped like it is miles ahead of any one else because they have money, but in relaity that is far from the truth.

The guys propping them up are U-19 WC winners and finalists who trashed the same players who are on the bench in PSL, so how are they all of a sudden of higher quality

 

[silentkiller187]

Okay fair enough. Which league do you think is the best out there ?

Just curious.

I enjoy watching all leagues IPL,CPL, BBL, PSL BPL Natwest Blast, even the ECL was very enjoyable for me, if anyone saw the standard they played at, club teams from Romania you would understand. im not here for the i told you so or to boost my ego. i just enjoy watching cricket.

 

[silentkiller187]

The guys propping them up are U-19 WC winners and finalists who trashed the same players who are on the bench in PSL, so how are they all of a sudden of higher quality

Thats great, but in case you did not know theres more to t20 cricket then just IPL and PSL.

 

[Mamoon]

No im saying just because IPL has the best players, the players propping them up below are sub standard, the guy who won the match yesterday for RR couldnt even hit the ball until cotterell helped him out with the leg side bouncers. The point i was trying make ultimately is IPL is worshipped like it is miles ahead of any one else because they have money, but in relaity that is far from the truth.

So your assessment is that the best players in the world do not play the best cricket?

Okay then.

 

[silentkiller187]

So your assessment is that the best players in the world do not play the best cricket?

Okay then.

Theres a difference between what can be labelled as best cricket (which again is opinions) compared with technical, i.e. how the textbook will tell you to play. They dont always go hand in hand.

 

[Local.Dada]

Thats great, but in case you did not know theres more to t20 cricket then just IPL and PSL.

There isn’t. Most top players skip bilateral T20’s and don’t give it much value may be it matters more in Pakistan where the starting line up plays against Bangladesh B, Srilanka C and Zimbabwe/Ireland.

It’s WT20 followed by IPL that’s about it. No top player would want to skip these 2 or feel happy if they are left out.

 

[silentkiller187]

There isn’t. Most top players skip bilateral T20’s and don’t give it much value may be it matters more in Pakistan where the starting line up plays against Bangladesh B, Srilanka C and Zimbabwe/Ireland.

It’s WT20 followed by IPL that’s about it. No top player would want to skip these 2 or feel happy if they are left out.

WT20 is for players national pride, IPL is for players bank balance its the richest league in the world any player would be silly to turn that sort of money down, so if your talking from that point of view yes, but i was looking at it from a more purest cricket fans perspective, which is of course my opinion.

 

[Local.Dada]

WT20 is for players national pride, IPL is for players bank balance its the richest league in the world any player would be silly to turn that sort of money down, so if your talking from that point of view yes, but i was looking at it from a more purest cricket fans perspective, which is of course my opinion.

Most Pure cricket fans don’t care for T20 and treat it like a tamasha it is.

 

[Mamoon]

Theres a difference between what can be labelled as best cricket (which again is opinions) compared with technical, i.e. how the textbook will tell you to play. They dont always go hand in hand.

So who are the players in Natwest T20 and BBL that play textbook cricket that the likes of Kohli, Rohit, Williamson etc. cannot play?

 

[silentkiller187]

Most Pure cricket fans don’t care for T20 and treat it like a tamasha it is.

Well like i've mentioned previously i enjoy all forms of t20 from local level all the way to IPL and beyond i dont discriminate

 

[silentkiller187]

So who are the players in Natwest T20 and BBL that play textbook cricket that the likes of Kohli, Rohit, Williamson etc. cannot play?

when did i ever say Kohli , rohit wiliamson cannot play textbook? i think you need to read through my posts carefully rather than trying to create unnecessary arguments , im just sharing my opinion.

 

[Mamoon]

when did i ever say Kohli , rohit wiliamson cannot play textbook? i think you need to read through my posts carefully rather than trying to create unnecessary arguments , im just sharing my opinion.

You said IPL is just Bollywood hype and batsmen in BBL and Natwest T20 play better technical cricket.

I asked you to name these batsmen but it seems that you cannot do so. Am I the one making unnecessary arguments?

It is fine if you are sharing your opinion but at least you need to back your opinion with something. You have not provided any justification or evidence for your opinion apart from making blanket statements.

 

[silentkiller187]

You said IPL is just Bollywood hype and batsmen in BBL and Natwest T20 play better technical cricket.

I asked you to name these batsmen but it seems that you cannot do so. Am I the one making unnecessary arguments?

It is fine if you are sharing your opinion but at least you need to back your opinion with something. You have not provided any justification or evidence for your opinion apart from making blanket statements.

Technical does not always equal better. Take the superstars out of all the leagues and then look at the players you have remaining, theres your list there. , IPL is Bollywood personified, i didn't say it as a bad thing, they have the money, indians love the OTT showbiz it goes hand in hand.

 

[Mamoon]

Technical does not always equal better. Take the superstars out of all the leagues and then look at the players you have remaining, theres your list there. , IPL is Bollywood personified, i didn't say it as a bad thing, they have the money, indians love the OTT showbiz it goes hand in hand.

Why should we take all the superstars out?

 

[silentkiller187]

Why should we take all the superstars out?

Because if every league had the money that india has then 99% of those superstars would play in every league, you cant make comparisons when theres no level playing field.

 

[Rana]

It was a basic question which was answered in honesty. Why is it hurting a poster so much that only 6-7 Indian players would actually get considered for a PSL contract?

 

[naseem]

Most Pure cricket fans don’t care for T20 and treat it like a tamasha it is.

Yes ur correct ......ur local bowlers are just Tamasha .......nothing more nothing less

 

[Mamoon]

Because if every league had the money that india has then 99% of those superstars would play in every league, you cant make comparisons when theres no level playing field.

Why should there be a level playing field when India have more money? It is not India’s problem if others are broke.

 

[silentkiller187]

Why should there be a level playing field when India have more money? It is not India’s problem if others are broke.

Never said it was India's problem, just highlighting the reason why they can attract the best players, because they have the money to do so. if other countries had the same resource they would be on par with India, therefore you can come to the conclusion that IPL is the best league because of the money and not because of the quality of their homegrown players.

 

[Mamoon]

Never said it was India's problem, just highlighting the reason why they can attract the best players, because they have the money to do so. if other countries had the same resource they would be on par with India, therefore you can come to the conclusion that IPL is the best league because of the money and not because of the quality of their homegrown players.

Pakistan local players are garbage. That is why India has been consistently a better side than Pakistan in all formats for years and years.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Few days back, I definitely read that at least four PAK players - Babar, Wahab, Shadab & Imad will make IPL while Amir has lost his mojo to "Passionate" fans, other wise it would have been five......., at least. Now I read only three Indians have a confirmed shot in PSL - that's the height of delusion Pakistan fans has reached these days, congrats. Guys, Dinesh Ramdhin batted at four in PSL ...... and our Anamul was chartered to play PSL Final - wake up.

Coming to the topic, I think the answer of the question is not straight forward. First thing is, to be honest, IND isn't that good in T20 - at least no where near what they are in the longer formats, and the gap between Indian & PAK players overall is narrowest in T20. Besides, what BCCI is doing is they are monopolizing the market of 1.4 billion, by blocking Indian players in other leagues through obnoxiously high payment that keeps Indian players honest (about forcing their way to other leagues) - that's the only explanation of some of the wages of IPL ... starting from Unadkot.

There are 6 teams and I believe the quota for non Pakistani players is 7 - that's 42 spots in total available.
I consider two scenarios here - this is what I see -

First one - PSL is the most lucrative League, with almost a bottomless pocket and a dedicated window - yes, I don't see more than few Indians, without considering the market pull that Indian players will draw from Indian cricket market. Simple reason is that there are too many to choose from. For 42 spots, at least 75 players will be in contention - around 14-15 from ENG, 8-9 from SAF, 10-12 from AUS & India each, 5-6 each from WIN & NZ, may be another 10-12 from BD/SRL/AFG/IRL/ZIM... - from that pool, I don't think more than 6, max 7 Indian players making the 42 men cut - Kohli, Sharma, Bumrah, MS & may be KL, Pandeya.... in a draft system, often players are picked based on availability, squad combination and budget, therefore I don't see more than 8-9 players from any nation - may be Poms will have highest number of representatives around 10-12.

Second scenario is a hypothetical context where suddenly, only every Indian player is available and they are interested to join within the current payment framework of PSL ...... At lease 1/3rd (14) of the 42 will be Indian, if not half - guys, once again: "Dinesh Ramdhin batted at four in PSL ...... and our Anamul was chartered to play PSL Final - wake up". These are the players I believe will be hired by PSL - that's not considering the commercial aspect

8 batsmen: Kohli, Sharma, Dhawan, Agarwal, KL, Shaw, Pandey (Manish), Iyer
3 WKs: MSD, Samson, Pant
2 all-rounders: Pandeya, Jadeja
2 pacers: Bumrah, Shami
3 spinners: Ashwin, Chahal, Yadav.

That's 18 and considering the state of PAK's spin & batting resources, there are outside chances of fringe players like Sundar (Washington), Axer Patel, Kedar, Rahne, Nitish Rana, Gil, Ryudu...

Only area, only, only area that Indians will struggle is to make PSL is in pace bowling - I see only two picked, may be Saini as well. On contrary, take out the foreign Cap, just for Indians - how many PAK batsmen, WK & Spinners will make it to their own league over Indians ...... we'll be able to count in fingers.

That's the harsh reality of PAK cricket these days, which was genuinely world's best T20 side just about not even 10 years back.

Well said. It’s the same level of delusion that makes Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad feel they are superstars that have been hard done by. And the likes of Sohail Khan and Razzaq say ghar ka Kohli and baby bowler Bumrah, Shehzad better than SRT, etc.

And it’s the same reason why Pakistan’s cricket is in a shambles today. Sad but true reflection of what we see on television.

 

[Titan24]

I am surprised with the quality of posts and threads in last couple of weeks. This is just another random thread with taunts against PSL and Pakistan cricket team while trying to prove how great are Unadkat and co.

IPL is the best T20 league currently based upon the best overseas talent available and I am yet to see anyone debate that however, trying to desperately convince everyone how every random cricketer and pacers playing in IPL are legendary is a bit cheesy in my opinion. Also no need to drag in PSL and Pakistani players in every single thread, both are completely different leagues and have separate fan base.

 

[Rana]

I am surprised with the quality of posts and threads in last couple of weeks. This is just another random thread with taunts against PSL and Pakistan cricket team while trying to prove how great are Unadkat and co.

IPL is the best T20 league currently based upon the best overseas talent available and I am yet to see anyone debate that however, trying to desperately convince everyone how every random cricketer and pacers playing in IPL are legendary is a bit cheesy in my opinion. Also no need to drag in PSL and Pakistani players in every single thread, both are completely different leagues and have separate fan base.

Bro. He dug his own grave and now he doesn’t want to lay in it.

This was bound to happen when you consistently degrade Pakistan, PSL uncalled for and then Deepak Chahar opens the bowling in IPL

 

[Rana]

Even now, most Pakistanis have been very honest in their assessment of which Indians would make the PSL. We don’t need to exaggerate, and we don’t need to be submissive. Yet it’s like we have committed blasphemy by only acknowledging 6-7 straight picks

 

[naseem]

Bro. He dug his own grave and now he doesn’t want to lay in it.

This was bound to happen when you consistently degrade Pakistan, PSL uncalled for and then Deepak Chahar opens the bowling in IPL

Indian local bowlers are not keeping his face

 

[silentkiller187]

Looks like Kohli left the Bollywood script in India this season.

 

[Rana]

Indian local bowlers are not keeping his face

Even the overseas

Lungi Ngidi
Curran bros
The wicket keeper for RCB
Cotteral
Rashid Khan
Archer batting instead of bowling

 

[Mamoon]

I am surprised with the quality of posts and threads in last couple of weeks. This is just another random thread with taunts against PSL and Pakistan cricket team while trying to prove how great are Unadkat and co.

IPL is the best T20 league currently based upon the best overseas talent available and I am yet to see anyone debate that however, trying to desperately convince everyone how every random cricketer and pacers playing in IPL are legendary is a bit cheesy in my opinion. Also no need to drag in PSL and Pakistani players in every single thread, both are completely different leagues and have separate fan base.

No one ever said that every player in IPL is world class and that there are no ordinary players in IPL.

You get mediocre players in every system. IPL is on par with international cricket and there are plenty of average cricketers in international cricket as well.

The problem is when delusional Pakistani fans try to sell the myth that the standard of bowling in PSL is better than IPL.

 

[naseem]

No one ever said that every player in IPL is world class and that there are no ordinary players in IPL.

You get mediocre players in every system. IPL is on par with international cricket and there are plenty of average cricketers in international cricket as well.

The problem is when delusional Pakistani fans try to sell the myth that the standard of bowling in PSL is better than IPL.

The myth is that everything IPL throws and have is GOLD STANDARD........which is not the case as far as bowling goes local bowling goes........blow drums......happy denial

 

[Titan24]

No one ever said that every player in IPL is world class and that there are no ordinary players in IPL.

You get mediocre players in every system. IPL is on par with international cricket and there are plenty of average cricketers in international cricket as well.

Agreed and most of these mediocre players in IPL are in the form of their local pacers. They have good batting talent (Possibly one of the best in the world), decent spinners and top overseas players however, their local pacers dont match the quality of their batting and overseas players they have to offer. Yes some local pacers are decent but generally they look pretty ordinary. So the debate in all the threads have always been about local pacers, nobody is comparing pacers like Rabada, Cummins, Boult, Arhcer, Nortje.

In PSL yes, not every pacer is something extraordinary but we can easily see that there are more local pacers with good T20 reputation internationally. We like it or not, being selected in BBL, Natwest, The 100, CPL etc. does endorse T20 credentials of pacers as those leagues think they are good enough for overseas player spot (Only 2-4 are allowed). I only had to take this route of other leagues as there is no other way to judge as everything else would be subjective. Yes Indian pacers are not allowed in other leagues but even if they were how many pacers would make it as overseas players in other leagues (I asked the question in IPL vs PSL bowling thread as well). I cant think of many. If you rate someone (Except Bumrah, Shami and maybe Bhuvi) kindly mention the names.

Everything aside one can see the local bowling in both leagues with naked eye as well and anyone who has been seeing cricket for sometime can form a reasonable judgement. Again generally its subjective and there is no way to prove anything.

Not every local pacer in IPL is poor and not every pacer in PSL is extraordinary but, opinion is based upon the overall impression. This can vary season by season (Again comments are only about local pace bowling). Its just my opinion and judgement based upon what I have seen but, as always I will be happy to change it if there are some compelling arguments. Some other posters have been talking a lot about PSL players but, are yet to mention handful of local pace bowling names from IPL which one can look at and adjust the opinion accordingly.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Difference is we won't dish out lollipop sand oreos to Tewatias .....Pandeys....
There is a reason Gayle and AB could buy a run...

I hope u now accept the difference

How many matches did AB play?

AB is better than any batsman who has picked up the bat for pakistan, let alone psl.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Few posters questioning the quality of AB. Thats how delusional posters are getting here.

 

[Slog]

Doubt any bowler asides from Bumrah would make it.

Batsmen like Kohli, Rohit, Rahul, one of the top wicketkeepers should make it

Pandya, Jadeja would also make it most likely

 

[BreadPakoda]

Doubt any bowler asides from Bumrah would make it.

Batsmen like Kohli, Rohit, Rahul, one of the top wicketkeepers should make it

Pandya, Jadeja would also make it most likely

If Samit Patel can top the bowling charts, then imo someone like Ashwin or Chahal can surely make it.

 

[naseem]

Few posters questioning the quality of AB. Thats how delusional posters are getting here.

Few posters ignoring ABs poor PSL record..... That's how desperate they are

 

[Rana]

Ishan Kishan.

Loved that innings

 

[Mamoon]

Doubt any bowler asides from Bumrah would make it.

Batsmen like Kohli, Rohit, Rahul, one of the top wicketkeepers should make it

Pandya, Jadeja would also make it most likely

Lets take a look at the laughable pool of foreign bowlers (excluding all-rounders) in PSL.

We can ignore the pool of bowlers this year because it was worse than usual because the entire edition was held in Pakistan.

Let’s take a look at the laughable pool of foreign bowlers in PSL 2019:

Islamabad - Zahir Khan (AFG spinner)
Karachi - Aaron Summers (AUS pacer)
Lahore - Viljoen (SA pacer) & Lamichhane (Nepal spinner)

Multan - Chris Green (AUS spinner) & Qais (AFG spinner)

Peshawar - Tymal Mills & Chris Jordan

Quetta - Max Waller (ENG spinner), Gurney (ENG pacer) & Fawad (AUS spinner)

This is the embarrassing pool of overseas bowlers in PSL.

Do you really think ATGs like Max Waller, Gurney, Vijloen, Summers, Qais etc. will keep out all Indian bowlers except Bumrah?

 

[Mamoon]

IPL needs to get rid of:

Cummins, Boult, Rabada, Starc, Hazlewood, Archer, Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvneshwar, Curran, Ashwin, Kuldeep, Chahal, Jadeja etc.

and rope in:

Max Waller, Gurney, Vijloen, Summers, Umaid Asif, Irfan, Shinwari, Dilbar and Rauf, Patel, Chris Green, Shadab etc.

Then the quality of their bowling will rise up to PSL level.

 

[Mamoon]

Overseas bowlers in PSL 2020:

Steyn
Tymal Mills
Fawad Ahmed
Chris Jordan
McClenaghan
Prassana

But PSL has the best bowling in the world.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

I have not seen any young Pak batsman play an inning like what Kishan did today in PSL ever.

 

[Rana]

I have not seen any young Pak batsman play an inning like what Kishan did today in PSL ever.

Yeah that was phenomenal. We don’t overlook quality. Kishan is in.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Lets take a look at the laughable pool of foreign bowlers (excluding all-rounders) in PSL.

We can ignore the pool of bowlers this year because it was worse than usual because the entire edition was held in Pakistan.

Let’s take a look at the laughable pool of foreign bowlers in PSL 2019:

Islamabad - Zahir Khan (AFG spinner)
Karachi - Aaron Summers (AUS pacer)
Lahore - Viljoen (SA pacer) & Lamichhane (Nepal spinner)

Multan - Chris Green (AUS spinner) & Qais (AFG spinner)

Peshawar - Tymal Mills & Chris Jordan

Quetta - Max Waller (ENG spinner), Gurney (ENG pacer) & Fawad (AUS spinner)

This is the embarrassing pool of overseas bowlers in PSL.

Do you really think ATGs like Max Waller, Gurney, Vijloen, Summers, Qais etc. will keep out all Indian bowlers except Bumrah?

Gosh, didn't know this at all. Who are these players? Never heard of Zahir Khan, Qais, Aaron Summers, etc.

These folks will keep out Ashwin, Yuzi, Kuldeep, etc.? [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] come on

 

[OldWarHorse]

Dunk and Lynn are T20 veterans from Bash....... Ronchi has just a year left in him like Watto......at best 2....... But fact is fact

Yeah but two of those three are ipl scraps who didnt last half a season and the third is an inconsistent bench warmer. So questioning the quality by taking the examples of those who dint do well doesnt stand mate.

 

[Slog]

Gosh, didn't know this at all. Who are these players? Never heard of Zahir Khan, Qais, Aaron Summers, etc.

These folks will keep out Ashwin, Yuzi, Kuldeep, etc.? [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] come on

Most of these are back ups since PSL sides usually play locals as spinners. Indian bowlers coming at a premium won’t be backups. IPL also has several nobodies internationals who usually sit on the bench

 

[Slog]

Lets take a look at the laughable pool of foreign bowlers (excluding all-rounders) in PSL.

We can ignore the pool of bowlers this year because it was worse than usual because the entire edition was held in Pakistan.

Let’s take a look at the laughable pool of foreign bowlers in PSL 2019:

Islamabad - Zahir Khan (AFG spinner)
Karachi - Aaron Summers (AUS pacer)
Lahore - Viljoen (SA pacer) & Lamichhane (Nepal spinner)

Multan - Chris Green (AUS spinner) & Qais (AFG spinner)

Peshawar - Tymal Mills & Chris Jordan

Quetta - Max Waller (ENG spinner), Gurney (ENG pacer) & Fawad (AUS spinner)

This is the embarrassing pool of overseas bowlers in PSL.

Do you really think ATGs like Max Waller, Gurney, Vijloen, Summers, Qais etc. will keep out all Indian bowlers except Bumrah?

You are using poor logic. Don’t know if it’s intentional to make a point or you are Ill informed.

Most of these names are not regulars for PSL teams. They are cheap backups whilst bowling lineups usually are majority Pakistani.

Indian bowlers you mentioned will cost a lot to sign and due to 4 foreign player limit they won’t always get to play thus making them bad investments.

Having random backup isn’t alien to IPL either after all it has given chances to random gigs like Luke Pomersbach, Darren Bravo (good st tests, terrible at T20), Henriques and several others who didn’t get look in at international level for their countries

 

[Slog]

Andrew Tye, Joshu Phillipe, Gurney, Shane Rutherford, Keemu Paul, Oshane Thomas, Fabian Allen are some of the superstar foreign signings IPL sides have made this year. In prior seasons apparently there have been even more foreign superstars of this Ilk. But apparently not more than 1 or 2, if at all, Pakistani players were good enough for IPL sides

 

[ethan hunt]

Good to see pollard hit top gear.
Dont really rate him but hopefully he can find a couple of bowlers to target in the Psl as well.
60 off 24 makes for a good spectacle.

 

[Mamoon]

You are using poor logic. Don’t know if it’s intentional to make a point or you are Ill informed.

Most of these names are not regulars for PSL teams. They are cheap backups whilst bowling lineups usually are majority Pakistani.

Indian bowlers you mentioned will cost a lot to sign and due to 4 foreign player limit they won’t always get to play thus making them bad investments.

Having random backup isn’t alien to IPL either after all it has given chances to random gigs like Luke Pomersbach, Darren Bravo (good st tests, terrible at T20), Henriques and several others who didn’t get look in at international level for their countries

This thread is based on the assumption that Indian players would be available within the salary caps of PSL franchises.

The whole point of this thread is to discuss how many Indian players would make PSL teams without worrying about real life factors such as availability and money etc.

If consider the money factor then PSL franchises don’t even have the aukaat to bid for players like Kohli, Dhoni and Rohit who have more brand value than entire PSL.

 

[tyron_woodley]

again what criteria are we using to come up with what league is better? if its technical aspects then in my humble opinion your wrong, if its showbiz cheer leading then mixed with a few sixes here and there then your 100% correct.

better players. better techniques. Better talent. better everything. ipl defecate on bbl.

bbl should be compared with leagues like psl who are above average but not on level with lpl.

t20 is about Ipl or nothing. biggest talents will always flock to where the mullah is at.

 

[tyron_woodley]

not one PSL bowler impressed me. Calibre of batsmen you face matters.
rauf is the only one who is good. I have seen him play BBL. He is good but not extraordinary.

That's like how Mike Tyson beats spinx. ok sure he beat a good fighter. Was that fighter one of the best? no.

He lost to holyfield and Lennox who were the best fighters. He never faced the best fighters when he won his title.

 

[Slog]

This thread is based on the assumption that Indian players would be available within the salary caps of PSL franchises.

The whole point of this thread is to discuss how many Indian players would make PSL teams without worrying about real life factors such as availability and money etc.

If consider the money factor then PSL franchises don’t even have the aukaat to bid for players like Kohli, Dhoni and Rohit who have more brand value than entire PSL.

Even within the salary cap it wouldn’t make sense to spend a chunk on Chahal or Kuldeep when you have similar or slightly lower level local spinners available. Unless you think Kuldeep, Ashwin etc are going to fetch the same lower tier contract as Chris Green who you named in your post. Perhaps I was overrating these Indian spinners by giving them a contract closer to the top tier than the bottom tier.

Any team using brains would go to upgrade on their batsmen who aren’t close to similar level to some top international batsmen.

Again you are using poor logic. Get on with how player selections and draft picks in such leagues work.

 

[zain7077]

So Isuru Udana can make it as an overseas pace bowler but no Pakistani other than Shaheen can

 

[tyron_woodley]

So Isuru Udana can make it as an overseas pace bowler but no Pakistani other than Shaheen can

Pakistani bowlers can make it. who said they cant? They aren't better than the indian bowlers though apart from a few duds like unadkat etc who are only playing due to their political connections.

 

[Slog]

So Isuru Udana can make it as an overseas pace bowler but no Pakistani other than Shaheen can

Pakistani bowlers can make it. who said they cant? They aren't better than the indian bowlers though apart from a few duds like unadkat etc who are only playing due to their political connections.

The whole argument put forward by majority of the indian posters and a certain Pakistani poster is that beyond Babar Azam and Shaheen, no Pakistani would be able to make IPL sides

 

[tyron_woodley]

The whole argument put forward by majority of the indian posters and a certain Pakistani poster is that beyond Babar Azam and Shaheen, no Pakistani would be able to make IPL sides

they can. babar I am not too sure in t20 only because I am not familiar with his power game. in odi's and tests he makes it into any team.

absolute rubbish that those 2 can't. they can make it.

There are a couple others I am forgetting.

 

[tyron_woodley]

rauf can make it

as for batting. I need some names.

bowling wise there are 2 more. shinwari can make it I think. wahab can.

 

[naseem]

not one PSL bowler impressed me. Calibre of batsmen you face matters.
rauf is the only one who is good. I have seen him play BBL. He is good but not extraordinary.

That's like how Mike Tyson beats spinx. ok sure he beat a good fighter. Was that fighter one of the best? no.

He lost to holyfield and Lennox who were the best fighters. He never faced the best fighters when he won his title.

Saheen
Amir
Wahab
Junaid
Tanvir
Gul
Naseem
Hasnain
Dilbar
Akif Javed
Sameen gul
Md Musa.....

They will mostly walk into any IPL team as an overseas player...... If isru Udana Curran Pattinson can.... Then they can ALSO MAKE THE CUT

I m not serious about..

Irfan Rahat Sami ......

 

[naseem]

rauf can make it

as for batting. I need some names.

bowling wise there are 2 more. shinwari can make it I think. wahab can.

Batting wise Pak bats are not needed in IPL just like Indian bowlers are not needed in PSL.... THEY will mostly get unsold......

If any franchise show interest then....
Babar
Hafeez ......can only make the cut...
Malik can but purely on basis of past reputation and fan following.....

Sharjeel another one but no franchise would take the risk......

Others who may make to the list in future....

Haider Ali...
Zeeshan Malik ......if he does well in t20s....
Saud Shakeel if he gets chance in PSL and national team and does well

National t20 cup may throw some names hopefully

 

[Banton10]

Babar azam would not get selected in ipl playing 11. His batting is too slow to bat in top order as an overseas player.