Which is considered to be the best Star Wars movie yet?

[msb314]

Although I have seen only The Force Awakens and Rogue One - I have heard the original one was the best (1977).

I personally thought The Force Awakens was marginally better than Rogue One but both were fantastic movies.

Most critics however agree that the Clone Wars was definitely the worst.

Thoughts?

 

[JaDed]

Empire Strikes back(originally second), Episode 5 was the best and Clone wars was actually better than Phantom menace ,although Phantom menace was good in its own way,sadly Lucas made it look really cringe worthy.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Episode V. Empire strikes back

 

[Zak_Fan]

As a kid, I decided to watch all the movies just because of this massive crazy fandom. But as I started watching the older movies, it looked so bad that I quit. If I had to pick one as best, I'll pick The Force Awakens.

 

[msb314]

Episode V. Empire strikes back

Thats the second one in the original trilogy right?

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Thats the second one in the original trilogy right?

Yup

 

[msb314]

Empire Strikes back(originally second), Episode 5 was the best and Clone wars was actually better than Phantom menace ,although Phantom menace was good in its own way,sadly Lucas made it look really cringe worthy.

I heard Phantom Menace was decent. Not as good as the original trilogy but better than Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith.

 

[msb314]

Yup

Gotcha - heard Return of the Jedi was good as well.

 

[TM Riddle]

Empire strikes back by a mile.
But truth to be told I find the series massively overrated.Granted the original trilogy had its moments but the later ones were nothing short of a disappointment.In contrast, star trek has been exceptionally good ever since its inception barring couple of movies in late 90s and early 2000s.For science nerds, star trek any day of week over the space opera that star wars is.

 

[TM Riddle]

I heard Phantom Menace was decent. Not as good as the original trilogy but better than Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith.

) What?????

 

[msb314]

) What?????

Yes - Phantom Menace was one of the highest grossing movies of the 90's and had generally good reviews from critics.

Again - not as good as the original trilogy or even as good as Rogue One or Force Awakens but was still a good movie by itself.

 

[Robert]

Empire.

Then A New Hope.

I thought the Lucas prequels were dreadful, with weak dialogue, paper-thin characters and a lot of subliminal racism.

 

[USofA]

Empire Strikes Back. This is not even up for debate!

 

[TM Riddle]

Yes - Phantom Menace was one of the highest grossing movies of the 90's and had generally good reviews from critics.

Again - not as good as the original trilogy or even as good as Rogue One or Force Awakens but was still a good movie by itself.

The film was successful at the box office for the sole reason that it was the first star wars movie to be released in decades after the original trilogy which had a huge cultural following and therefore was hugely anticipated by both fans and casual viewers alike.
Most of the critics slammed the movie and rightly so.I mean seriously don't tell me you liked Jar Jar Binks and his horrendous accent.Granted visuals were good but that's about it all.Prequels were worst and I doubt even an ardent star wars fan would like to dispute that fact.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Empire stirkes back and then revenge of the sith for me

 

[msb314]

Empire Strikes back(originally second), Episode 5 was the best and Clone wars was actually better than Phantom menace ,although Phantom menace was good in its own way,sadly Lucas made it look really cringe worthy.

Episode V. Empire strikes back

Empire strikes back by a mile.
But truth to be told I find the series massively overrated.Granted the original trilogy had its moments but the later ones were nothing short of a disappointment.In contrast, star trek has been exceptionally good ever since its inception barring couple of movies in late 90s and early 2000s.For science nerds, star trek any day of week over the space opera that star wars is.

Empire.

Then A New Hope.

I thought the Lucas prequels were dreadful, with weak dialogue, paper-thin characters and a lot of subliminal racism.

Empire Strikes Back. This is not even up for debate!

Btw - most critics consider the first Star Wars (A New Hope) to be the best.

Consistently rated as one of the best movies of all time and inspired many directors in the realm of science fiction. Still is one of the few films to be the National Film Registry.

Of course - Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were still amazing movies. Probably the best trilogy ever made.

 

[Robert]

I felt that Empire had the most emotional depth and character development.

 

[TM Riddle]

Btw - most critics consider the first Star Wars (A New Hope) to be the best.

Consistently rated as one of the best movies of all time and inspired many directors in the realm of science fiction. Still is one of the few films to be the National Film Registry.

Of course - Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were still amazing movies. Probably the best trilogy ever made.

Lord of the rings

 

[JaDed]

Yes - Phantom Menace was one of the highest grossing movies of the 90's and had generally good reviews from critics.

Again - not as good as the original trilogy or even as good as Rogue One or Force Awakens but was still a good movie by itself.

The higher earning of the film was because of the coming back of the "Star Wars" on big screen nothing more,the hard core fans hated it but if any movie was coming after 17 years on screen esp this big a kind it would had been well received.

 

[SandyB]

Empire Strikes Back

Rated 94% on rotten tomatoes !

Bettered the original is almost every possible way ! Topping the original "Star wars : A New Hope " would've been a monumental/near impossible task, but this films outdid every expectation put on it .

Better character development , far stronger story.. Absolute shocker of the climax !

The movie explored the main leads and their relationships far better that any other in the Original trilogy .

Also please note that this movie was Directed by a less known Independent filmmaker Irvin Kershner, so as a general rule, the better films appeared whenever Lucas stayed off the directors chair, and focussed more on the Visuals and World building .

The 1st movie was the exception though. But Lucas was said to be bothered very little with the acting/story part of the film and was more focused on the Visual effects and putting them on screen. So he himself decided he needed to focus less on the directorial stuff for the next film. Which was why having an Indie director adept at handling the Human side worked so well for "Empire".

And more often , Empire makes the list among the greatest Science fiction/Blockbuster movie list frequently and is considered one of the greatest Sequels ever ..

 

[IMMY69]

A New Hope was simply amazing yet Empire was even better.

ROTJ was below both these two and the rest were just plain average.

 

[Firebat]

The recent trilogy was very disappointing to me. Nothing will ever beat the originals, especially New Hope. However, I did really love Rogue One, thought it was the best out of the new bunch.

 

[MenInG]

New Hope for me!

 

[Rana]

Revenge of the Sith. Underrated movie

 

[Arsal_AK]

Empire as many have said. Its has the most depth and character development of all other movies. I think this is the movie that establishes Han, Leia, Like and Vader are the cultural icons they are.

A New Hope is really good too. Great beginning to a wonderful story.

The original trilogy stands head and shoulders above the rest. I liked some of what Rain Johnson does but that's just it. Apart from a few fan service moments there is little else to the new trilogy. The prequels well are the prequels, a great lesson in stopping before you ruin almost everything.

 

[Bigboii]

Always thought it was for geeks which is wrong but you know....

 

[Arsal_AK]

Empire as many have said. Its has the most depth and character development of all other movies. I think this is the movie that establishes Han, Leia, Like and Vader are the cultural icons they are.

A New Hope is really good too. Great beginning to a wonderful story.

The original trilogy stands head and shoulders above the rest. I liked some of what Rain Johnson does but that's just it. Apart from a few fan service moments there is little else to the new trilogy. The prequels well are the prequels, a great lesson in stopping before you ruin almost everything.

*Luke

 

[Arsal_AK]

The recent trilogy was very disappointing to me. Nothing will ever beat the originals, especially New Hope. However, I did really love Rogue One, thought it was the best out of the new bunch.

The ending sold it for me. Brilliant last few moments.

 

[Robert]

Didn’t rate Rogue One. Thin characters. Same second half as Jedi and Phantom Menace. Star Wars by numbers.

 

[MenInG]

Didn’t rate Rogue One. Thin characters. Same second half as Jedi and Phantom Menace. Star Wars by numbers.

Do add your vote.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

It depends on who you ask. Critics, fans, casual viewers, older viewers, and viewers born in the 90s/00s will all give you different answers.

The “easy” answer is the Empire Strikes Back. It is the unanimous choice, the safe choice that every Star Wars fan will say is in their Top 3. For the older generation, that grew up with the original trilogy, it is easily the best. More recent fans will rank it slightly lower. However, it’s importance in the saga is sometimes underrated. It is the movie that transformed the landscape of blockbuster story telling; after A New Hope cake out, SW had become the object of every child’s imagination, but it was ESB that created Darth Vader as many remember and know him today. In ANH, George Lucas had never imagined the twist about Anakin Skywalker’s true identity. Darth Vader was all but demeaned by Grand Moff Tarkin, and even in his most dangerous moments was never the complex character that he is today. He was simply evil, with no hope for redemption, a force that betrayed the Jedi and who had to be defeated to overcome the Empire. ESB changed all of this. Today, if you ask anyone what Star Wars is about, they will tell you it is about family, it is about the struggle between the dark side and the light (encapsulated in the perpetual conflict of the Skywalkers), and how there is no easy answer to these questions. These concepts were introduced for the first time in Luke’s cave scene on Dagobah, where he sees himself in Darth Vader’s helmet, in Lando selling out the heroes to protect himself before being betrayed, and in the most shocking moment of all for which Star Wars will always be remembered, the “I am your father” moment which told us that neither heroes nor villains are always as black and white as they may seem.

This is the “easy answer”. Many of those original fans may equally attribute the “greatest” title to ANH for starting everything and ROTJ for sealing the greatest redemption story of all time, with Vader’s turn to the light.

Coming forward to the prequel era, the picks become far more controversial. Many of the fans who grew up with the originals were utterly disappointed with the new saga. It must be mentioned that a lot of the hate is attributed to two things: the acting, and the overemphasis on appealing to children through characters such as Jar Jar (though these same fans will overlook the Ewoks in Return of the Jedi as well as Luke’s own dialogue in A New Hope). One famous lines that might come to mind are “I don’t like sand” in Attack of the Clones — there was quite an emphasis on the love story that simply didn’t work. But let no one tell you that the plot in these movies was not good. You will see among the 90s/00s generation a huge love for Revenge of the Sith, as well as today a love for the TV show The Clone Wars, both of which are also set in the prequel era, follows the same story threads, and revolve around the same characters. If you are willing to ignore the occasionally cheesy lines, you will find a masterfully drawn storyline. George Lucas’s mistake was writing the dialogue himself. He had never written the script for the original movies, only drawn the plot. Let me illustrate the greatness of Revenge of the Sith: the tragic fall of Anakin Skywalker, the heartbreaking end of a friendship in Anakin and Kenobi, and the onslaught of a war with real life parallels in Afghanistan and Iraq where those in power play both sides and reap the monetary and political benefits to climb further into power. We had always seen Palpatine as an incarnation of evil, but we had never appreciated him for his sinister ability to weave webs of manipulation and deception. His Machiavellian tactics of decimating the Jedi from within, all the while when the audience is made to doubt the goodness of the Jedi, are excellently woven in. The arrogance of Yoda to Mace Windu, at first sabotaging democracy themselves to spy on the Chancellor, then doubting Anakin’s intentions and forcing him to sit out even when he has informed them that Palpatine is the Dark Lord. Finally, there are few scenes that evoke symbolic brilliance as truly as Anakin’s hatred set against the backdrop of a wrathful, volcanic planet, seeking to destroy the closest person he has ever had to a brother or father, or the calm, collected montage of destruction of the Jedi as Order 66 is unveiled.

Ask many fans today, those in their twenties, and those who are unafraid of judgment will tell you that ROTS is right up there with ESB. People are often afraid to voice their opinions given the sheer amount of online hatred for the prequels. However, I feel ROTS is unfairly clumped together with Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. I have found that those with an open mind and who are unwilling to be influenced by others’ opinions will enjoy it. Several friends, who had never seen any Star Wars movie before and were unaware of the hate for the prequels, were actually the ones who loved ROTS the most. I believe that unfortunately internet trolls and older viewers in their 40s and 50s with high nostalgia are the reason for this.

Finally, I come to the new movies. Many are huge lovers of the Force Awakens, including myself. This includes those disappointed with 8 and 9. The reason again is older viewers. Star Wars is a generational story and by extension also means new things to each generation. Ten, twenty years later, kids and those who were introduced to Star Wars the first time will grow up remembering these movies fondly. I severely disliked the Last Jedi but I gave it a chance and my opinion improved after rewatch. The last one I didn’t like and don’t think anyone did.

I hope this was not too long to read. My advice to newcomers is simply the following: Star Wars brings with it massive popularity and massive controversy. Keep an open mind. Watch all the movies to get a taste for yourself. My recommended watching order those interested is Rogue One, 456,123,789. Ignore the Han Solo movie. And watch in sequence.

My overall rankings are as follows:
1) Empire Strikes Back
2) Revenge of the Sith
3) A New Hope
4) Rogue One
5) The Force Awakens
6) Return of the Jedi
7) The Last Jedi
8) The Phantom Menace
9) Attack of the Clones
10) Han Solo: A Star Wars Story
11) The Rise of Skywalker

If you have watched the movies and are looking for more content, I will highly recommend the videogame Knights of the Old Republic for its masterful storytelling and exploration of philosophy. The Clone Wars TV Show (but mainly seasons 4-7, before that it’s hit or miss) and the Mandalorian are also great watches.

 

[Robert]

Ok will give it a go.....

Empire (most atmospheric, most character development)
A New Hope (nothing like it before, cracking space Western)
Return of the Jedi (redemption of Anakin)
Rise of Skywalker (a nice way to round off, felt satisfying)
The Force Awakens (nostalgic retelling of New Hope, liked the Leia and Solo stuff)
Last Jedi (Luke and Rey stuff lifted a mediocre film a bit)
Clones (some credible reason for Anakin’s fall into evil, felt like character development)
Sith (more corny dialogue than the first five films combined, Anakin’s fall a deepening teenage sulk, Nooooooooooooo embarrassing and audience actually laughing, can’t believe I hung on so long for so little payoff)
Rogue One (nothing interesting or emotionally involving)
Phantom (childish rubbish)

Haven’t seen Solo.

 

[MenInG]

Dave Prowse, the Bristolian former bodybuilder best known for playing Darth Vader in the original Star Wars trilogy, has died aged 85.

Prowse was cast as Vader for his imposing physique, even though the role was voiced by James Earl Jones.

But the weightlifter-turned-actor was most proud of playing the Green Cross Code Man. The role, promoting road safety in the UK, earned him an MBE.

"May the force be with him, always!" said his agent Thomas Bowington.

"Though famous for playing many monsters - for myself, and all who knew Dave and worked with him, he was a hero in our lives."

Mr Bowington called the actor's death, after a short illness, "a truly and deeply heart-wrenching loss for us and millions of fans all over the world".

 

[IMMY69]

Dave Prowse, the Bristolian former bodybuilder best known for playing Darth Vader in the original Star Wars trilogy, has died aged 85.

Prowse was cast as Vader for his imposing physique, even though the role was voiced by James Earl Jones.

But the weightlifter-turned-actor was most proud of playing the Green Cross Code Man. The role, promoting road safety in the UK, earned him an MBE.

"May the force be with him, always!" said his agent Thomas Bowington.

"Though famous for playing many monsters - for myself, and all who knew Dave and worked with him, he was a hero in our lives."

Mr Bowington called the actor's death, after a short illness, "a truly and deeply heart-wrenching loss for us and millions of fans all over the world".

RIP Dave Prowse

For me he will always be the green cross code man...

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I think the latest batch were weaker than the previous 3 yet critics seemed to approve.

For me, Rogue one was an absolute masterpiece.

 

[Technics 1210]

Rogue.

A new hope for obvious impact reasons.

If you liked Empire Strikes Back you will be pleased to know it was 1 not by George Lucas.

 

[Robert]

For me, Rogue one was an absolute masterpiece.

Found it unengaging. Not even Riz Ahmed could lift it. First half nothing happened, second half just another Jedi battle / ground battle / space station battle same as Jedi, Phantom and Awakens. Nothing new or interesting, just another rehash, another action figure cash-grab.

 

[the Great Khan]

How have I missed this thread?

My list below:

1) the empire strikes back
2) return of the jedi
3) a new hope
4) revenge of the sith
5) phantom menace
6) rogue one
7) attack of the clones
8) solo
9) the last jedi
10) force awakens
11) clone wars
12)light years
13 ) the rise of skywalker

I've been a fan since I was four years old. I have never seen a more disgraceful destruction of the essence of star wars than the garbage that was the new trilogy. Thank God for the mandaloriane and clones wars seasons.
I hope they retcon that utter disgrace of a trilogy..
My kids love revenge of the sith. It's their favourite. .

I'm a rare breed old school star wars fan who loves the prequels and enjoyed them when they came out..maybe because I already have a religion and font need star wars to give my life meaning lol..

 

[Robert]

13 ) the rise of skywalker

This surprises me. I thought they rounded the saga off quite well. Daisy Ridley was always convincing. It had a bit of emotional impact, coming right back to the farm on Tatooine. Chewie got his long-overdue medal.

The prequels are horrible IMO. I remember walking out of Sith with a few friends who had been around since the theatrical release of A New Hope (or "Star Wars" as we called it then) and expressing how disappopinted we all were to have hung on for so long for so little reward. Instead of an in-depth exploration of the fall of a good man into evil, we get Anakin sulking for two hours before he puts the black suit on. No internal conflict about killing the younglings, he just cracks on with it. Compare with the moment in Clones where he is devastated by the loss of his mother and butchers the Sandpeople - that was credible, with a good acting performance. In Sith, audience was actually laughing in places. Padme has nothing left to live for - despite giving birth to twins.

 

[CricketCartoons]

haven't watched a single movie from this series, but didn't know there were 13 of them. if there is only one to be watched, which one would it be? want to improve my knowledge of pop culture.

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

Recently watched the original trilogy back to back, has to be Empire for me.

So many great moments from Luke's hero's journey, to the development of Vaders inner turmoil, and the iconic "I know" from Solo.

 

[Robert]

haven't watched a single movie from this series, but didn't know there were 13 of them. if there is only one to be watched, which one would it be? want to improve my knowledge of pop culture.

A New Hope. All the characters and concepts are introduced for the first time.

 

[hassan918]

My vote for the best Star Wars movies goes to "Episode VIII – The Last Jedi"

 

[Thunderbolt14]

haven't watched a single movie from this series, but didn't know there were 13 of them. if there is only one to be watched, which one would it be? want to improve my knowledge of pop culture.

A New Hope. It was the original to be released, but after factoring in the 3 prequels, it’s listed as Episode 4. If you like it but don’t have time for the entire series, watch Empire Strikes Back (Episode 5) and then Return of the Jedi (Episode 6).

These 3 parts from 4 to 6 formulate a contained story and should educate you on 70% of Star Wars pop culture.

 

[Technics 1210]

A New Hope. It was the original to be released, but after factoring in the 3 prequels, it’s listed as Episode 4. If you like it but don’t have time for the entire series, watch Empire Strikes Back (Episode 5) and then Return of the Jedi (Episode 6).

These 3 parts from 4 to 6 formulate a contained story and should educate you on 70% of Star Wars pop culture.

Wrong. A New Hope was renamed Episode IV in 1979 after the success at the cinema. Spielberg advised Lucas to do so, it was a masterstroke.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Wrong. A New Hope was renamed Episode IV in 1979 after the success at the cinema. Spielberg advised Lucas to do so, it was a masterstroke.

You’re right! I just wanted to explain it in simple terms for someone who wants to know which movie to start with. Didn’t want to confuse them!

 

[Technics 1210]

Most people born 1990 onwards will never understand the impact of the original Star Wars trilogy.

The 70s/80s releases were truly ground-breaking in every sense of the word. Cinema, Story, Lore, Merchandise, and even Music score.

This is precisly why Star Wars is massive, it's the 70s/80s generation that keep the fantasy alive.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Most people born 1990 onwards will never understand the impact of the original Star Wars trilogy.

The 70s/80s releases were truly ground-breaking in every sense of the word. Cinema, Story, Lore, Merchandise, and even Music score.

This is precisly why Star Wars is massive, it's the 70s/80s generation that keep the fantasy alive.

Completely agree, set design, costumes, practical effects, no one had ever seen anything like it on the big screen. A very immersive world which we take for granted in Hollywood these days, but at the time, it was like you said, ground breaking.

I will argue the innovation didn’t stop there. For all the hate that the prequels get for the CGI, they were some of the first films in the industry to use computer graphics on such large a scale and broke that barrier into the new age. By the time of Revenge of the Sith, the CGI had improved massively over Phantom Menace and then you had films like Avatar by James Cameron which took it to the next level.

The sequel trilogy though, not really innovative in any sense of the word. Not technologically, and not otherwise with the recycled plots and inability to construct a cohesive theme.

 

[Robert]

But [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] - always remember that Han shot first, whatever the recent edited versions tell you.

 

[the Great Khan]

Sorry but rise of whatever should just be renamed palpatine wins..it's utterly nonsensical and completely obliterates the rules of the star wars universe..

The prequels were flawed but they kept true to the essence of star wars. They were almost operatic in places. Duel of the fates was almost unmatched in its majesty.. it stays true to what star wars is. A story of a hero their fall and then rise. Of a family. Of growing up to face the world. Of choices that define you. Of redemption. It's the classic hero's journey and coming of age story.

The prequels had a story. Some great characters. Intrigue and the start and end of the clone wars. Concepts further enhanced by the clone wars series which makes them even better. I'll be honest "clones" was my least favourite star wars until I saw the horrific jj verse.

Where a nobody clone is more powerful than yoda. Where the villain is well I'm still not sure..and what was this new useless sith planet? Corriban or moriband as it's knows was the sith planet..and how did emperor zombie create this massive star fleet?

Also the star destroyers had personal death star lasers? Stupid..lando rallies the galaxy in a few hours when it took years for the rebellion to get going. And space horse lol..and yu think the prequels were bad? And rey is now the chosen one? Why? What did she do turn earn that?

The sequels completely destroy the original trilogy. Anakin and lukes story's are irrelevant. The emp came back and super jedi rey with no training kills him. Hunh? Yoda the greatest jedi master couldn't kill him..it was anakins destiny to destroy the sith..and yet..

Also if the emps spirit was supposed to go inside rey why didn't it?

She can't even build her own sabre and she kills the most powerful sith lord we've seen.

And what about the sith dagger? Also you have to train for yrs to do things like mind tricks..but rey does it straight away?
And the death star hot blown to smithereens so how did the throne room remain intact and functional??

The force awakens was unoriginal trash..same old..oh hey forget the death star here's a death planet..yayy..

The last jedi at least tried to be original..but wth was flying leia and that stupid plot with po..just stupid...

So luke builds a jedi order that gets wiped out by..a kid..well I guess luke was useless. Here's comes super Rey. What's the point of watching anything set between rotj and force bakwaas if we know it's pointless..

 

[the Great Khan]

haven't watched a single movie from this series, but didn't know there were 13 of them. if there is only one to be watched, which one would it be? want to improve my knowledge of pop culture.

Watch it from a new hope . Then empire the return of the jedi..

Then watch rogue one as a prequel..after that watch the prequels..which I like but some original trilogy fans hate..

Stay away from the sequels..

Also if yu get time watch the clone wars TV series which is amazing..

 

[Stewie]

I would say in order

The Return of the Jedi
Empire strikes back
The Force Awakens
A New Hope
Revenge of the Sith

The rest are crap

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Sorry but rise of whatever should just be renamed palpatine wins..it's utterly nonsensical and completely obliterates the rules of the star wars universe..

The prequels were flawed but they kept true to the essence of star wars. They were almost operatic in places. Duel of the fates was almost unmatched in its majesty.. it stays true to what star wars is. A story of a hero their fall and then rise. Of a family. Of growing up to face the world. Of choices that define you. Of redemption. It's the classic hero's journey and coming of age story.

The prequels had a story. Some great characters. Intrigue and the start and end of the clone wars. Concepts further enhanced by the clone wars series which makes them even better. I'll be honest "clones" was my least favourite star wars until I saw the horrific jj verse.

Where a nobody clone is more powerful than yoda. Where the villain is well I'm still not sure..and what was this new useless sith planet? Corriban or moriband as it's knows was the sith planet..and how did emperor zombie create this massive star fleet?

Also the star destroyers had personal death star lasers? Stupid..lando rallies the galaxy in a few hours when it took years for the rebellion to get going. And space horse lol..and yu think the prequels were bad? And rey is now the chosen one? Why? What did she do turn earn that?

The sequels completely destroy the original trilogy. Anakin and lukes story's are irrelevant. The emp came back and super jedi rey with no training kills him. Hunh? Yoda the greatest jedi master couldn't kill him..it was anakins destiny to destroy the sith..and yet..

Also if the emps spirit was supposed to go inside rey why didn't it?

She can't even build her own sabre and she kills the most powerful sith lord we've seen.

And what about the sith dagger? Also you have to train for yrs to do things like mind tricks..but rey does it straight away?
And the death star hot blown to smithereens so how did the throne room remain intact and functional??

The force awakens was unoriginal trash..same old..oh hey forget the death star here's a death planet..yayy..

The last jedi at least tried to be original..but wth was flying leia and that stupid plot with po..just stupid...

So luke builds a jedi order that gets wiped out by..a kid..well I guess luke was useless. Here's comes super Rey. What's the point of watching anything set between rotj and force bakwaas if we know it's pointless..

Pretty much sums up my feelings, surprisingly we both share exactly the same feelings about every movie. Haven’t met many people who do

 

[Mamoon]

Growing up, Star Wars was my favorite franchise and so the original trilogy, in particular Episode V (Empire Strikes Back), is my favorite for sentimental reasons.

Episode I and II, especially The Phantom Menace gets excessive hate in my opinion because people always compare it with the original trilogy and it is obviously a step down.

However, if a first-timer watches the series in chronological order which I highly recommend, he/she will have better appreciation for Phantom Menace and its significance to the storyline.

Rogue One is definitely the best film of 2010s, much better than Episodes VII, VIII and IX which have been hijacked by toxic feminists.

Any reviews on Mandalorian series here? The ratings are really good.

 

[Robert]

Sorry but rise of whatever should just be renamed palpatine wins..it's utterly nonsensical and completely obliterates the rules of the star wars universe..

The prequels were flawed but they kept true to the essence of star wars. They were almost operatic in places. Duel of the fates was almost unmatched in its majesty.. it stays true to what star wars is. A story of a hero their fall and then rise. Of a family. Of growing up to face the world. Of choices that define you. Of redemption. It's the classic hero's journey and coming of age story.

The prequels had a story. Some great characters. Intrigue and the start and end of the clone wars. Concepts further enhanced by the clone wars series which makes them even better. I'll be honest "clones" was my least favourite star wars until I saw the horrific jj verse.

Where a nobody clone is more powerful than yoda. Where the villain is well I'm still not sure..and what was this new useless sith planet? Corriban or moriband as it's knows was the sith planet..and how did emperor zombie create this massive star fleet?

Also the star destroyers had personal death star lasers? Stupid..lando rallies the galaxy in a few hours when it took years for the rebellion to get going. And space horse lol..and yu think the prequels were bad? And rey is now the chosen one? Why? What did she do turn earn that?

The sequels completely destroy the original trilogy. Anakin and lukes story's are irrelevant. The emp came back and super jedi rey with no training kills him. Hunh? Yoda the greatest jedi master couldn't kill him..it was anakins destiny to destroy the sith..and yet..

Also if the emps spirit was supposed to go inside rey why didn't it?

She can't even build her own sabre and she kills the most powerful sith lord we've seen.

And what about the sith dagger? Also you have to train for yrs to do things like mind tricks..but rey does it straight away?
And the death star hot blown to smithereens so how did the throne room remain intact and functional??

The force awakens was unoriginal trash..same old..oh hey forget the death star here's a death planet..yayy..

The last jedi at least tried to be original..but wth was flying leia and that stupid plot with po..just stupid...

So luke builds a jedi order that gets wiped out by..a kid..well I guess luke was useless. Here's comes super Rey. What's the point of watching anything set between rotj and force bakwaas if we know it's pointless..

I thought that the sequels evoked the spirit of the original trilogy. Luke, Han, Leai, Chewie, and a Vader-style redemption arc for Kylo. The Falcon, X-Wings and other ships that looked realistic, unlike the prequels where everything looked shinier and newer despite being twenty to thirty years prior to A New Hope.

There was no character development or Hero Journey in the prequels. The characters were all paper thin. You had classy actors like Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor hamstrung by the worst dialogue I ever heard in cinema. Count Duckula who had no past, he just turned up as a main villain. No attempt to explain the developing political situation - to this day I still don’t understand who the two sides were and why they fought at all or why the Jedi chose to side with one of them. Then there was the covert racism - ridiculous space rabbit Jar Jar and the Gungans clearly uneducated Deep South black stereotypes, the Trade Federation clearly Sax Rohmer inscrutable orientals. It was skin-crawling.

 

[Robert]

Rogue One is definitely the best film of 2010s, much better than Episodes VII, VIII and IX which have been hijacked by toxic feminists.

Aw, was there a tough girl in the sequels, did she scare you?

 

[Mamoon]

Aw, was there a tough girl in the sequels, did she scare you?

Yes, I was scared to see how people would happily destroy a franchise in the name of gender equality.

No one has issues with strong female characters. Leia was a strong female character, do you see people complaining about her?

But Rey, with no proper training, was able to do things that even the likes of Yoda, Obi Wan and Luke couldn’t.

There is no proper explanation for why Rey is so laughably overpowered. Anyone who questions this is swiftly shut down as insecure and having issues with “tough girls”.

 

[IMMY69]

Yes, I was scared to see how people would happily destroy a franchise in the name of gender equality.

No one has issues with strong female characters. Leia was a strong female character, do you see people complaining about her?

But Rey, with no proper training, was able to do things that even the likes of Yoda, Obi Wan and Luke couldn’t.

There is no proper explanation for why Rey is so laughably overpowered. Anyone who questions this is swiftly shut down as insecure and having issues with “tough girls”.

Her power was mentioned in The Last Jedi (my least favourite film of all)...
Luke Skywalker mentioned it when he said something to the effect that her power is one of the greatest of all and he's only seen it once before....

At the end of the day she was the granddaughter of Palpatine who was propably the strongest of all sith lords.

 

[in_cutter]

Most overrated series of movies

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Growing up, Star Wars was my favorite franchise and so the original trilogy, in particular Episode V (Empire Strikes Back), is my favorite for sentimental reasons.

Episode I and II, especially The Phantom Menace gets excessive hate in my opinion because people always compare it with the original trilogy and it is obviously a step down.

However, if a first-timer watches the series in chronological order which I highly recommend, he/she will have better appreciation for Phantom Menace and its significance to the storyline.

Rogue One is definitely the best film of 2010s, much better than Episodes VII, VIII and IX which have been hijacked by toxic feminists.

Any reviews on Mandalorian series here? The ratings are really good.

The Mandalorian is good. I appreciate it more for its simplicity, focus on world building and excellent cinematography, and its character-driven focus. Don’t expect a narrative masterpiece, but it’s worth a watch if you’re a fan.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

The Falcon, X-Wings and other ships that looked realistic, unlike the prequels where everything looked shinier and newer despite being twenty to thirty years prior to A New Hope.

Just zeroing in on this, it’s meant to be that way. The galaxy enters a dark age, so to speak, with the Empire maintaining a monopoly on technology while widespread corruption and lack of empathy leads to most planets going backward. The rebels are strapped for resources, relying on scrap parts and reused fighters to wage their offense.

 

[Robert]

Yes, I was scared to see how people would happily destroy a franchise in the name of gender equality.

No one has issues with strong female characters. Leia was a strong female character, do you see people complaining about her?

But Rey, with no proper training, was able to do things that even the likes of Yoda, Obi Wan and Luke couldn’t.

There is no proper explanation for why Rey is so laughably overpowered. Anyone who questions this is swiftly shut down as insecure and having issues with “tough girls”.

Your use of the term “toxic feminism” is the problem, not the abilities of a fictional character in a fantasy film.

There were just two female characters in Jedi, neither in a lead role, amid dozens of men.

But when they make a woman the star, you complain about “toxic feminism”.

 

[Robert]

Just zeroing in on this, it’s meant to be that way. The galaxy enters a dark age, so to speak, with the Empire maintaining a monopoly on technology while widespread corruption and lack of empathy leads to most planets going backward. The rebels are strapped for resources, relying on scrap parts and reused fighters to wage their offense.

But why then were the TIE fighters of A New Hope less advanced than the Naboo ships of thirty years prior? Wouldn’t the Empire have seized the Naboo tech?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Your use of the term “toxic feminism” is the problem, not the abilities of a fictional character in a fantasy film.

There were just two female characters in Jedi, neither in a lead role, amid dozens of men.

But when they make a woman the star, you complain about “toxic feminism”.

To be completely fair, I’m all for feminism and making a female lead the star, but what they did with Rey was overdone. I liked Force Awakens despite disliking the sequel trilogy - part of the reason for this was that they had yet to betray some fundamental principles of disbelief that they would end up doing later on.

Even if it was a male lead, I would have similar problems with the pace at which male Rey is able to hone his abilities to a level that takes years on years to master.

It is equivalent to Harry Potter rivaling Voldemort‘s powers by the end of the first part, for example - or to Anakin never needing to go to Jedi school, tearing him away from his mother. It’s a small choice that forces viewers to suspend a lot of disbelief if they want to follow the plot.

Some can argue (and they do) that it was poorly written because of a thrusted-on narrative from “toxic” feminist forces who wanted an overpowered female lead at all costs. I disagree of course- if there were toxic forces at play it’s entirely possible to thrust upon that narrative in a well-written manner. In fact, it’s in their favor to do so or you risk criticism from misogynistic forces. My conclusion is that it was simply not well written. Nothing to do with feminism.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

But why then were the TIE fighters of A New Hope less advanced than the Naboo ships of thirty years prior? Wouldn’t the Empire have seized the Naboo tech?

Did a bit of a search since I didn’t have an immediate answer, found this: https://www.quora.com/How-would-an-...mperial-TIE-fighter-in-the-Star-Wars-universe

So seems to be internally consistent. In any case though, seems like a rather minor detail.

 

[Firebat]

Dave Prowse: George Lucas remembers 'imposing' Darth Vader actor

Star Wars creator George Lucas has paid tribute to actor Dave Prowse after his death at the age of 85, saying he made Darth Vader "leap off the page".

The US film-maker said Prowse had "an imposing stature and movement performance to match the intensity and undercurrent of Vader's presence".

He was "up for anything and contributed to the success of what would become a memorable, tragic figure", Lucas said.

Prowse played the masked Vader in the original Star Wars film trilogy.

The character's voice was provided by actor James Earl Jones, while Sebastian Shaw played Vader, aka Anakin Skywalker, when his iconic helmet was eventually removed.

Yet it was former bodybuilder Prowse who first brought a "physicality to Darth Vader" that Lucas said had been "essential for the character".

"He made Vader leap off the page and on to the big screen," the producer wrote in a tribute that concluded with the words: "May he rest in peace."

Lucasfilm, the company Lucas sold to Disney in 2012, remembered Prowse's "strongman's physique" in its own tribute.

"Prowse's Vader was an intimidating presence who, with simple gestures, could convey anger, sadness and lost hope," it said.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Monday, Anthony Daniels said his Star Wars co-star had "made being bad cool".

"Dave kind of invented this ability to 'go to the dark side' and be cool about it," said Daniels, who played robot C-3PO.

"It was a lovely contrast because he was a very benign figure and really very calm and relaxed," the actor continued.

"I'd see him round the set and he'd be lounging in one of those studio chairs. He was always very quietly-spoken, very unassuming."

Billy Dee Williams, aka Lando Calrissian, also paid tribute, tweeting: "It was a great gift to work with him and an honour to call him my friend."

Prowse's career as an actor spanned 50 years, but it was his role in Star Wars and its first two sequels that brought him international fame.

The Bristol native and former bodybuilder was also fondly remembered for playing the Green Cross Code Man in a campaign promoting road safety in the UK.

"As a kid Dave Prowse couldn't be more famous to me; stalking along corridors as evil incarnate in the part of Darth Vader & stopping a whole generation of kiddies from being mown down in [the] street as the Green Cross Code man," tweeted director Edgar Wright.

The success of Star Wars saw Prowse become a regular on the fan circuit and he attended conventions around the world for almost 40 years.

Yet his relationship with Lucas was not always harmonious and he was banned from attending official Star Wars events in 2010.

In the 2015 documentary I Am Your Father, Prowse claimed he was falsely blamed for leaking plot details and blackballed as a result.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55128932

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes, I was scared to see how people would happily destroy a franchise in the name of gender equality.

No one has issues with strong female characters. Leia was a strong female character, do you see people complaining about her?

But Rey, with no proper training, was able to do things that even the likes of Yoda, Obi Wan and Luke couldn’t.

There is no proper explanation for why Rey is so laughably overpowered. Anyone who questions this is swiftly shut down as insecure and having issues with “tough girls”.

One of the rare occasions I agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Disney are well known for female protagonists etc but with Star Wars, Disney jumped on the back of the SJW and Woke movement and butchered the series. Harrison Ford himself requested he be killed off for the sorry state of affairs.

What next? Female Jesus? Black Abraham Lincoln? Or 'Honey I shrunk the Non-Binary kids'?

As far as the 3 sequels go, I enjoyed the Rise of Skywalker, only because I watched it in circumstance that made the experience a lifetime memory, but it also put an end to a sorry *** sage that exhausted all ideas in the 80s.

Remember Lucas himself is a flop. The success of Star Wars was down to 2 people - Spielberg and John Williams. There's a reason why Empire Strike Back is considered the most critical success of Star Wars, only because Lucas had no hand it.

Disney are rinsing Star Wars. The latest attempt with an off spin series is yet another declaration of SJW!

The looney left, SJW, and SF are now ruining Hollywood.

 

[Mamoon]

Your use of the term “toxic feminism” is the problem, not the abilities of a fictional character in a fantasy film.

There were just two female characters in Jedi, neither in a lead role, amid dozens of men.

But when they make a woman the star, you complain about “toxic feminism”.

I have no problem with lead female characters and stars. That is your assumption because I have a problem with how they made Rey into the most powerful Jedi that ever lived.

Star Wars can have as many female lead characters as they want, but at least make them believable within the sphere of the series. Disney has Star Wars into a female superhero/Disney princess series.

 

[Mamoon]

One of the rare occasions I agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Disney are well known for female protagonists etc but with Star Wars, Disney jumped on the back of the SJW and Woke movement and butchered the series. Harrison Ford himself requested he be killed off for the sorry state of affairs.

What next? Female Jesus? Black Abraham Lincoln? Or 'Honey I shrunk the Non-Binary kids'?

As far as the 3 sequels go, I enjoyed the Rise of Skywalker, only because I watched it in circumstance that made the experience a lifetime memory, but it also put an end to a sorry *** sage that exhausted all ideas in the 80s.

Remember Lucas himself is a flop. The success of Star Wars was down to 2 people - Spielberg and John Williams. There's a reason why Empire Strike Back is considered the most critical success of Star Wars, only because Lucas had no hand it.

Disney are rinsing Star Wars. The latest attempt with an off spin series is yet another declaration of SJW!

The looney left, SJW, and SF are now ruining Hollywood.

Some time back I why and how Star Wars became an instrument for toxic feminist propaganda. A quick google search revealed that the current Lucasfilm President is hardcore feminist. Surprise.

I don’t see the logic in ruining existing franchises. I don’t want to see Stars Wars hijacked by feminism just like I don’t want to see a black, a trans or a female Bond. It doesn’t mean I am racist, transphobic or sexist. It simply means I don’t want good things to be ruined.

You can as many black, trans and female special agents and spies as you want, just don’t ruin existing franchises for me.

Robert took offense to the word “toxic feminism”, but that is what Star Wars has become. Genuine feminism is about equality for women which is great, but toxic feminism is not about equality; it is about making women look superior and making men look weak.

It is no coincidence that Rey was made to look more powerful than every male Jedi in the universe with no proper training. The aim was to make the male Jedis weak in comparison.

If the original trilogy was released today, toxic feminism would have had a problem with why the force was stronger with Luke than his sister Leia and how it is sexist, so I am sure if Disney were to do the original trilogy, Luke would be playing Leia’s character and vice versa.

 

[Mamoon]

To be completely fair, I’m all for feminism and making a female lead the star, but what they did with Rey was overdone. I liked Force Awakens despite disliking the sequel trilogy - part of the reason for this was that they had yet to betray some fundamental principles of disbelief that they would end up doing later on.

Even if it was a male lead, I would have similar problems with the pace at which male Rey is able to hone his abilities to a level that takes years on years to master.

It is equivalent to Harry Potter rivaling Voldemort‘s powers by the end of the first part, for example - or to Anakin never needing to go to Jedi school, tearing him away from his mother. It’s a small choice that forces viewers to suspend a lot of disbelief if they want to follow the plot.

Some can argue (and they do) that it was poorly written because of a thrusted-on narrative from “toxic” feminist forces who wanted an overpowered female lead at all costs. I disagree of course- if there were toxic forces at play it’s entirely possible to thrust upon that narrative in a well-written manner. In fact, it’s in their favor to do so or you risk criticism from misogynistic forces. My conclusion is that it was simply not well written. Nothing to do with feminism.

Harry Potter himself was a horcrux, and Voldemort was very weak until the Goblet of Fire, so there is some logical explanation for why Harry Potter was able to match him at the end of Philosopher’s Stone.

However, there is no proper explanation within the Star Wars universe that explains or justifies Rey’s superiority over other Jedis that too without any formal training and experience.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Harry Potter himself was a horcrux, and Voldemort was very weak until the Goblet of Fire, so there is some logical explanation for why Harry Potter was able to match him at the end of Philosopher’s Stone.

However, there is no proper explanation within the Star Wars universe that explains or justifies Rey’s superiority over other Jedis that too without any formal training and experience.

Fully agreed, but bad writing is not symptomatic of feminism, it’s symptomatic of bad writing.

 

[Robert]

I have no problem with lead female characters and stars. That is your assumption because I have a problem with how they made Rey into the most powerful Jedi that ever lived.

Star Wars can have as many female lead characters as they want, but at least make them believable within the sphere of the series. Disney has Star Wars into a female superhero/Disney princess series.

No, my assumption is based on your use of “toxic feminism” which is a tell.

 

[the Great Khan]

I thought that the sequels evoked the spirit of the original trilogy. Luke, Han, Leai, Chewie, and a Vader-style redemption arc for Kylo. The Falcon, X-Wings and other ships that looked realistic, unlike the prequels where everything looked shinier and newer despite being twenty to thirty years prior to A New Hope.

There was no character development or Hero Journey in the prequels. The characters were all paper thin. You had classy actors like Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor hamstrung by the worst dialogue I ever heard in cinema. Count Duckula who had no past, he just turned up as a main villain. No attempt to explain the developing political situation - to this day I still don’t understand who the two sides were and why they fought at all or why the Jedi chose to side with one of them. Then there was the covert racism - ridiculous space rabbit Jar Jar and the Gungans clearly uneducated Deep South black stereotypes, the Trade Federation clearly Sax Rohmer inscrutable orientals. It was skin-crawling.

Like I said the Prequels had flaws, but I seriously disagree with your assertions above.

so lets deal with each at a time. You say the sequels invoked the spirit of the original trilogy. they didnt. They rebooted it all. And then made a mockery of the originals. I shall explain and this may get a bit long:

1) The sequels destroy the concept of the jedi, the force, vaders redemption
How? simple. In the force awakens we are tole Rey is a nobody but clearly she has some force ability. She does a jedi mind trick and clearly can jump around and is agile etc. Can fly the falcon without much effort so we are given the impression that this girl has been trained and has perhaps forgotten this. But thats nit what we find out. we find out that she just is powerful. full stop..no training, no nothing. So basically Yoda was talking rubbish and all we needed was to find someone like rey, not train her and send her to kill vader..job done..who needs the jedi order? also the force..how can she wield it without training? you cant..Yoda says so himself..rey also learns to use a lightsabre in about two minutes..hunh> took luke the best part of a year or two and he was powerful..

2) It destroys vaders redemption. Analin was the chosen one. and he was redeemed by his son. That was the whole point of the first six movies. But he failed. the force failed. Rey was the chosen one and the skywalkers were imposters. The sith were never destroyed, and we have also been taught that even if you get blown to smithereens you can come back to life..and your complaining about jar jar..??

3) the new republic took years to set up and it gets blown away in two minutes by a military force that it hasnt checked up on? what a useless govt. so first anakin and luke were useless and now leia is too as she sets up a useless state. So three out of four main characters afrom the OG have been rendered useless.

4) Han solo. so solo in all these years cant find the falcon? hunh? he's that stupid he didnt check out jaku? i thought he loved the falcon. and in 40 years he's never fired chewies bowcaster> what? and he doesnt even get a proper funeral..pathetic..another character destroyed..

5) the last jedi and rise of skywalker. So Lando rallies the galaxy in two hours..a job it took mon mothma 30 years to do..and you complain about politics in the prequels? this is childish nonsense. My 10 year old can write better than this. And where did the emp get this whole new army from? why are sith troopers , sith troopers? oh yes pretty red uniforms that are cool so hey lets do that..

You mentioned the prequels and the shinier vehicles. err do you know nothing of star wars..? this is set in the twilight of the old republic where there hasnt been a major war in nearly a 1000 years. there are no big standing armies. Of course everything looks shiney. compare war-less dubai to wartorn syria.
But lets take the sequels here to. The prequels set up the original trilogy and they succedd really well. at the end of revenge of the sith we know where everyone is and why the galaxy is the way it is in a new hope. The jedi are dead, anakin is vader and the emp rules all. The sequel trilogy does nothing.

you talk about dooku just showing up..err snoke anybody? the emp just showing up? we get a small backstory on dooku but thats the same throughout the six first movies. He was an ex Jedi who is now rebelling against the republic. We dont know he is sith until the final half of the movie. We find out how and why the clone wars start and why they are called the clone wars etc. (by the way watch the tv series)

The sequels on the other hand have made thirty years worth of stories useless..who cares if luke trains new jedi..they gonna die any way..who cares of the new republic comes again ..its gonna get blown up in two minutes anyway..forget the prophecy of the chosen one coz rey got rid of that..she is Super saiyan Jedi..

there are soooo many more flaws I could get into..Thank God for teh Mandalorian which is proceeding to retcon this joke of a trilogy..

for me they dont exist and are just a footnote or an alternative future story..utter garbage.

oh and you were wondeering who the two fcactions in the prequels are? easy the galtctic republic that spans the galaxy and the confederation of systems who break away from it due to taxation and economic mismanagment..its a civil war..

 

[the Great Khan]

by the way i challenge anyone who is a fan to point out one major sequence in the new trilogy that tops the opening of Revenge of the Sith..Hell I challenge anyone to give me one scene that tops the Anakin Dooku fight. in attack of the clones..originally i hated that duel but after watching it again i realised what a great duel it is,.all in the dark and only two colours used..also anakin wields two sabres against a full sith lord and unlike Super rey doesnt win but gets battered as he should..(if Rey were here she would have killed Dooku, used to the force to destroy the whole droid army and then ended the clone wars before they begun)

 

[James]

Revenge of the Sith is a top quality film, one of the very best entries in the whole franchise, with amazing deep themes and rich imagery.

The Emperor politically dissolving the Old Republic and then literally destroying the seats in the chamber, to symbolise the end of democracy, is beautifully done. Ian McDiarmid's acting is dark, chilling, oddly charming, and excellent throughout.

Not to mention the profound theological undertones, with Anakin doing an "unnatural" pact with the Devil himself to try and cheat the cruel inevitability of Death.

As the Chosen One who is then the Fallen Angel, the murderer of innocent children Anakin who has sold his soul to the evil of the Sith is then punitively incinerated in the fires of Hell -- on the terrifying planet of Mustafar.

And the incredible operatic music.
Just a superb, tragic film!

 

[Robert]

by the way i challenge anyone who is a fan to point out one major sequence in the new trilogy that tops the opening of Revenge of the Sith..Hell I challenge anyone to give me one scene that tops the Anakin Dooku fight. in attack of the clones..originally i hated that duel but after watching it again i realised what a great duel it is,.all in the dark and only two colours used..also anakin wields two sabres against a full sith lord and unlike Super rey doesnt win but gets battered as he should..(if Rey were here she would have killed Dooku, used to the force to destroy the whole droid army and then ended the clone wars before they begun)

If only - we would have been spared the rubbish prequels

 

[Robert]

Like I said the Prequels had flaws, but I seriously disagree with your assertions above.

so lets deal with each at a time. You say the sequels invoked the spirit of the original trilogy. they didnt. They rebooted it all. And then made a mockery of the originals. I shall explain and this may get a bit long:

1) The sequels destroy the concept of the jedi, the force, vaders redemption
How? simple. In the force awakens we are tole Rey is a nobody but clearly she has some force ability. She does a jedi mind trick and clearly can jump around and is agile etc. Can fly the falcon without much effort so we are given the impression that this girl has been trained and has perhaps forgotten this. But thats nit what we find out. we find out that she just is powerful. full stop..no training, no nothing. So basically Yoda was talking rubbish and all we needed was to find someone like rey, not train her and send her to kill vader..job done..who needs the jedi order? also the force..how can she wield it without training? you cant..Yoda says so himself..rey also learns to use a lightsabre in about two minutes..hunh> took luke the best part of a year or two and he was powerful..

2) It destroys vaders redemption. Analin was the chosen one. and he was redeemed by his son. That was the whole point of the first six movies. But he failed. the force failed. Rey was the chosen one and the skywalkers were imposters. The sith were never destroyed, and we have also been taught that even if you get blown to smithereens you can come back to life..and your complaining about jar jar..??

3) the new republic took years to set up and it gets blown away in two minutes by a military force that it hasnt checked up on? what a useless govt. so first anakin and luke were useless and now leia is too as she sets up a useless state. So three out of four main characters afrom the OG have been rendered useless.

4) Han solo. so solo in all these years cant find the falcon? hunh? he's that stupid he didnt check out jaku? i thought he loved the falcon. and in 40 years he's never fired chewies bowcaster> what? and he doesnt even get a proper funeral..pathetic..another character destroyed..

5) the last jedi and rise of skywalker. So Lando rallies the galaxy in two hours..a job it took mon mothma 30 years to do..and you complain about politics in the prequels? this is childish nonsense. My 10 year old can write better than this. And where did the emp get this whole new army from? why are sith troopers , sith troopers? oh yes pretty red uniforms that are cool so hey lets do that..

You mentioned the prequels and the shinier vehicles. err do you know nothing of star wars..? this is set in the twilight of the old republic where there hasnt been a major war in nearly a 1000 years. there are no big standing armies. Of course everything looks shiney. compare war-less dubai to wartorn syria.
But lets take the sequels here to. The prequels set up the original trilogy and they succedd really well. at the end of revenge of the sith we know where everyone is and why the galaxy is the way it is in a new hope. The jedi are dead, anakin is vader and the emp rules all. The sequel trilogy does nothing.

you talk about dooku just showing up..err snoke anybody? the emp just showing up? we get a small backstory on dooku but thats the same throughout the six first movies. He was an ex Jedi who is now rebelling against the republic. We dont know he is sith until the final half of the movie. We find out how and why the clone wars start and why they are called the clone wars etc. (by the way watch the tv series)

The sequels on the other hand have made thirty years worth of stories useless..who cares if luke trains new jedi..they gonna die any way..who cares of the new republic comes again ..its gonna get blown up in two minutes anyway..forget the prophecy of the chosen one coz rey got rid of that..she is Super saiyan Jedi..

there are soooo many more flaws I could get into..Thank God for teh Mandalorian which is proceeding to retcon this joke of a trilogy..

for me they dont exist and are just a footnote or an alternative future story..utter garbage.

oh and you were wondeering who the two fcactions in the prequels are? easy the galtctic republic that spans the galaxy and the confederation of systems who break away from it due to taxation and economic mismanagment..its a civil war..

You haven’t addressed most of my points about the prequels here, you’ve mostly just slated the sequels.

 

[the Great Khan]

If only - we would have been spared the rubbish prequels

Ok lets take take teh prequels. And ill try to be brief otherwise Ill post another giant sweater lol

so the bad:
1) crap acting in quite a few places
2) dialogue is hokey
3) I didnt like Haydens casting as anakin as I felt he was too inexperienced
4) Lucas is rubbish at romance..i hate dthe anakin padme romance..urgh..

The good:
1) it still maintains the star wars rules and itnroduces some new ones without destroying what we know
2) the action is spectacular culminating in ROTS which took things to another level
3) Lucas goes all out on the operatic nature of his space opera
4) it follows the fall of a hero
5) it does massive world building to the point where you can tell a gazillion stories out of this trilogy
6) introduces some memorable characters like Darth Maul, Mace Windu, Jango fett, The different clones,
Count dooku, Qui Gon Jinn
8) Gave us some amazing lightsabre duels like Duel of the fates and anain vs obi wan.
9) sets things up for the original trilogy nicely.

I addressed youor other points about Tie fights vs naboo fighters etc in a previous post.

But your turn now:

1) Why is Rey so powerful?
2) Do you agree that Anakin and his familys journey is now meaningless thanks to Super Rey?
3) What is the point of Chewie?
4) What is teh point of Finn?
5) What is the point of Poe?
6) why do A wings still look like they did in ROTJ?
7) How did Lando gather the whole galaxy in a few hours?
8) What was the point of Snoke?
9) What was the point of the Jedi?
10) where were the force ghosts? hence what was the point of the final scene in ROTJ?
11) what was the point of the new republic?
12) couldnt JJ come up with a better plot device than a mega super dooper death star?
13) what was the point of Maz? she was useless..
14) why did Luke wield a blue sabre (his fathers) and not his green one when he duelled Kylo?
15) how did Kylo ren survive a mortal wound while lying alone in the middle of teh ocean?
16) how did the death start survive pretty much intact and then crash land onto a planet without destroying it?
17) i could go on and on and on....


by the way if you want to learn what could have been search for the Colin treveroo script of episode 9 online. It would have been a much better script to film than the garbage we got..
In this version Kylo is full bad guy and they tie things into the original and prequel trilogy much better..pity..

 

[the Great Khan]

Revenge of the Sith is a top quality film, one of the very best entries in the whole franchise, with amazing deep themes and rich imagery.

The Emperor politically dissolving the Old Republic and then literally destroying the seats in the chamber, to symbolise the end of democracy, is beautifully done. Ian McDiarmid's acting is dark, chilling, oddly charming, and excellent throughout.

Not to mention the profound theological undertones, with Anakin doing an "unnatural" pact with the Devil himself to try and cheat the cruel inevitability of Death.

As the Chosen One who is then the Fallen Angel, the murderer of innocent children Anakin who has sold his soul to the evil of the Sith is then punitively incinerated in the fires of Hell -- on the terrifying planet of Mustafar.

And the incredible operatic music.
Just a superb, tragic film!

exactly..such symbolism..the sequels use none of this nuance..

 

[IMMY69]

I didn't like the prequels or the sequels...

New Hope and Empire were the very best followed by ROTJ.

They should have just left it there or made the prequels in the same style as The Mandalorian, i.e. with less cartoonish special affects and more character depth.

Also, if they absolutely had to make another 6 episodes then they should have done the sequels before the prequels and all least 5 to 6 years earlier, i.e in the mid 1990's rather then the late 1990's, whilst the main characters were young enough.