Which league has the better fast-bowlers - IPL or PSL?

[tyron_woodley]

saini
prasidh krishna
avesh khan
varun Aaron
tyagi
sushant singh
nagarkoti
mavi

lot of pace bowlers there.

 

[naseem]

Ipl is throwing lots of pacers now as against even few years back......it's up to India how it will use them.....but one who is ahead of all as of now...

Saini.....

Chahar looks another bhuvi

 

[Local.Dada]

Ipl is throwing lots of pacers now as against even few years back......it's up to India how it will use them.....but one who is ahead of all as of now...

Saini.....

Chahar looks another bhuvi

Prasidh Krishna is right about there as well.

Need to see if this lockdown has changed anything

 

[ufcfan]

saini
prasidh krishna
avesh khan
varun Aaron
tyagi
sushant singh
nagarkoti
mavi

lot of pace bowlers there.

There are few more, the likes of Nalkande,Abhimanyu Singh(these two are ARs ),Sabir khan,Kuldeep Senetc
There is one Yarra Prithviraj,Purnank Tyagi (few of them not in IPL as of now)

 

[tyron_woodley]

by 2023 India will draft in saini, prasidh krishna and mavi into all formats. Going to be good. Maybe even tyagi if he develops quickly.

not to mention jaiswal, paddikal, Shaw, gill and even panchal.

india is going to have some absolute studs. Blessed team. Inshahallah

 

[saeed5646]

Now coming to Pakistan bowlers isn’t it a concern when all these bowlers who seem to be good in T20
and hitting good pace start huffing and puffing when they are required to bowl more than 4 over? Naseem Shah whatever the jokes are about his age is probably at best not a day over 20, however he was bending down like a grandpa on the 3rd day of a Test after bowling a handful of overs and was injured in Australia after half a test on the other hand Umesh, Ishant,Shami,Bumrah and even Bhuvi bowl in the 140’s even on the last session of a test. In fact they seem to get quicker and quicker as the test progresses which shows their fitness levels

It is quite funny you are mocking naseem shah and writing him off already but on the other hand completely ignoring ishant sharma laughable record in his first 50 odd test where he was failing literally in evey 2nd match.

Ishant ,shami and bhuvi have played alot more than nasim and shaheen so don't compare rookie with veterans who are at their peak after alot of set backs.

 

[naseem]

by 2023 India will draft in saini, prasidh krishna and mavi into all formats. Going to be good. Maybe even tyagi if he develops quickly.

not to mention jaiswal, paddikal, Shaw, gill and even panchal.

india is going to have some absolute studs. Blessed team. Inshahallah

Few years back too it looked like Shaw Gill unmukt will set the stage on fire.....so it's better to stay grounded....I am not fully confident on these Tyagis Aveshs ....

 

[naseem]

Going by even IPL standards this has been a poor show so far..... And like PSL too....dominated by foreign batsman......so currently i will say IPL in UAE is closer to PSL in the results......in bowling though PSL is still ahead....not miles but definitely few yards....even if u take out the SAMIS IRFANS and GULS .....u will have decent performance S from Saheen Hasnain Sameen and spinners like UMER KHAN......

More and more like Ipl if PSL happens in Pak and in different places ie in home country....it will yield more more results like Ipl...

It will generate cash one positive.....2nd it will generate more players for Pak team and players will have the confidence of playing in front of home crowd....also they will handle crowd pressure lot better and will understand what match situation and position they might find themselves in international cricket..

As of now Pak is doing ok with pace ....need to find good middle order to replace Hafeez Malik ...and injury prone Sohail........

 

[naseem]

As far as Ipl and Indian cricket is concerned it is in safe hands till Rahul Dravid is there i hope he is stays 4 approx 12 years atleast ...so that he could carry on his good job he is doing behind the scene....

This IPL will also throw few names and hopefully they will make it .....like Devdutt A Samad Gaewkward Nagarkoti....

 

[tyron_woodley]

Few years back too it looked like Shaw Gill unmukt will set the stage on fire.....so it's better to stay grounded....I am not fully confident on these Tyagis Aveshs ....

How can they even get a chance when there are 3 or 4 ATG Players like rohit dhawan and kohli ahead of them in short formats?

That's why 2023 will be the year. we have so many studs waiting in line. We are blessed. inshahallah.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Few years back too it looked like Shaw Gill unmukt will set the stage on fire.....so it's better to stay grounded....I am not fully confident on these Tyagis Aveshs ....

tyagi
prasidh
mavi
nagarkoti
porel


india have so many talents. Not easy to get in.

indian main attack is top class. Very difficult to break in.

 

[deep82]

Few years back too it looked like Shaw Gill unmukt will set the stage on fire.....so it's better to stay grounded....I am not fully confident on these Tyagis Aveshs ....

Shaw has not failed. Infact averaging over 50 in test cricket and also scored a 50 on the treacherous bowling pitch in NZ. He has got some technique issue but also has natural eye / hand cordination like sehwag. He will eventually come good.

Gill hasn't even get any chance as of yet. He has set domestic first class and India A on fire. He is waiting for his turn to announce his arrival.

Unmukt chand is a lost case and he didn't translate his talent. He even couldn't scored in domestic which is a big no no in Indian cricket. You can't break into an indian cricket based on u19 or T20 performances only.

 

[deep82]

tyagi
prasidh
mavi
nagarkoti
porel


india have so many talents. Not easy to get in.

indian main attack is top class. Very difficult to break in.

Top tier:
Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Bhuvi, Yadav.

Second tier :
Saini, Chahar ( both have potential to be in top tier)

Garbage tier :
Khaleel, Kaul, Shardul, Undakat, Siraj ( tried & tested failures in Int cricket as well as IPL)

Upcoming talent:
Ishan Porel ( right at the fringes to be graduated to second tier, solid previous domestic season)
Mavi & Nagarkoti ( too much hype at the moment they need to deliver and showcase their talent in IPL to grab few eyeballs)
Tyagi ( too raw & untested)
Prasid Krishna ( didn't set IPL 2019 on fire, was pretty average )

Did I miss any other pace bowler ??

 

[deep82]

Going by even IPL standards this has been a poor show so far..... And like PSL too....dominated by foreign batsman......so currently i will say IPL in UAE is closer to PSL in the results...... in international cricket..

Match 1 : Rayudu
Match 2: Mayank
Match 3: Padikkal
Match 4: Samson

No, the IPL hasn't been dominated by International batsman at all so far.

 

[Shafi]

If Pakistan’s local bowlers are better, how come India’s bowling attack is consistently superior than Pakistan’s?

Its not about ability only. Prabhakar or Prasad did far better than Waqar doesn't mean they are better bowler than Waqar.
In pressure matches our players are serial choker against Indian whether they are bowler or batsman. Inzi is known to be a one of the great batsman but I would bet Ashwin as a batsman better than Inzi in those matches.

Even Indian U-19 team can beat our star studded 90s team in World Cup matches. Our players cannot handle pressure at all and that's the fact. Its not that Indians are super human but our players never play like a team instead of individual show off, panic and disorganize.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Its not about ability only. Prabhakar or Prasad did far better than Waqar doesn't mean they are better bowler than Waqar.
In pressure matches our players are serial choker against Indian whether they are bowler or batsman. Inzi is known to be a one of the great batsman but I would bet Ashwin as a batsman better than Inzi in those matches.

Even Indian U-19 team can beat our star studded 90s team in World Cup matches. Our players cannot handle pressure at all and that's the fact. Its not that Indians are super human but our players never play like a team instead of individual show off, panic and disorganize.

no indian bowlers (?main) are better.
it's quite simple.

India's bench is comparable to pakistan however India's second tier players don't get opportunities because the main bowlers have been too good.

 

[Rajdeep]

These type of hypothetical debates are meaningless and has no ending. Everything in IPL will always be superior to anything PSL has to offer simply because it has more weight on its purse. IPL has the ability to buy best players in the world which PSL does not. So overall bowling standards of IPL will always be better than PSL.

Now as far as comparing young aspiring local Indian vs Pakistani bowlers, there is no definitive way to answer. Going by U19 performances in past few years Indian bowlers were better.

Mavi, Nagarkotti, Porel was better than Shaheen Afridi, Musa Khan in 2018 U19 WC.

Karthik Tyagi alone was better than all Pak bowlers in 2020 U19 WC.

But because its relatively easy to break through into Pak national team, we hear a lot about young Pak bowlers like Shaheen, Musa etc.

Karthik Tyagi, Nagarkotti, Mavi etc are not even in pipeline for India debut anytime soon.

 

[naseem]

Match 1 : Rayudu
Match 2: Mayank
Match 3: Padikkal
Match 4: Samson

No, the IPL hasn't been dominated by International batsman at all so far.

RAYUDU is not India's picture and has no future. Mayank is established .....it's only paddikal and samson........ist match was won by Faf....another.by Rabada ....but yes u r ri8 indian batsmen r performing too.....I was wrong

 

[Titan24]

These type of hypothetical debates are meaningless and has no ending. Everything in IPL will always be superior to anything PSL has to offer simply because it has more weight on its purse. IPL has the ability to buy best players in the world which PSL does not. So overall bowling standards of IPL will always be better than PSL.

Now as far as comparing young aspiring local Indian vs Pakistani bowlers, there is no definitive way to answer. Going by U19 performances in past few years Indian bowlers were better.

Mavi, Nagarkotti, Porel was better than Shaheen Afridi, Musa Khan in 2018 U19 WC.

Karthik Tyagi alone was better than all Pak bowlers in 2020 U19 WC.

But because its relatively easy to break through into Pak national team, we hear a lot about young Pak bowlers like Shaheen, Musa etc.

Karthik Tyagi, Nagarkotti, Mavi etc are not even in pipeline for India debut anytime soon.

So you are saying that any of the U19 pacer of India would have entered the WC 19 and would have taken 16 wickets in 5 matches @ 14. There was only one Indian bowler in the top 10 wicket takers and he played 9 matches (Almost double) to take 2 more wickets.

Why didnt India brought in their young pacers to win the WC? Because it was difficult to enter into Indian team? Lol! What kind of logic is that?

As I explained in one of my posts in this thread that even Musa Khan took a 3fer in the final, Shaheen showed tremendous growth while working in national academy. There was a reason he took 8/39 in an innings on his FC debut, 5/6 in his first few PSL matches and now he has taken one of the best figures in Natwest T20 blast’s history.

But, hey we can carry on with narrative that its tough to break into Indian side over Bhuveneshwar Kumar averaging 34 with the ball or Umesh Yadav as 4the seamer while pacers like Thakur, Kaul, Siraj, Unadkat play here and there in T20 internationals.

 

[shamaan]

Going by even IPL standards this has been a poor show so far..... And like PSL too....dominated by foreign batsman......so currently i will say IPL in UAE is closer to PSL in the results......in bowling though PSL is still ahead....not miles but definitely few yards....even if u take out the SAMIS IRFANS and GULS .....u will have decent performance S from Saheen Hasnain Sameen and spinners like UMER KHAN......

More and more like Ipl if PSL happens in Pak and in different places ie in home country....it will yield more more results like Ipl...

It will generate cash one positive.....2nd it will generate more players for Pak team and players will have the confidence of playing in front of home crowd....also they will handle crowd pressure lot better and will understand what match situation and position they might find themselves in international cricket..

As of now Pak is doing ok with pace ....need to find good middle order to replace Hafeez Malik ...and injury prone Sohail........

Qasim akram is a player to look out for Haider ali is another .

 

[Rajdeep]

So you are saying that any of the U19 pacer of India would have entered the WC 19 and would have taken 16 wickets in 5 matches @ 14. There was only one Indian bowler in the top 10 wicket takers and he played 9 matches (Almost double) to take 2 more wickets.

Why didnt India brought in their young pacers to win the WC? Because it was difficult to enter into Indian team? Lol! What kind of logic is that?

As I explained in one of my posts in this thread that even Musa Khan took a 3fer in the final, Shaheen showed tremendous growth while working in national academy. There was a reason he took 8/39 in an innings on his FC debut, 5/6 in his first few PSL matches and now he has taken one of the best figures in Natwest T20 blast’s history.

But, hey we can carry on with narrative that its tough to break into Indian side over Bhuveneshwar Kumar averaging 34 with the ball or Umesh Yadav as 4the seamer while pacers like Thakur, Kaul, Siraj, Unadkat play here and there in T20 internationals.

These ifs and buts comparison has no relevance as we wont ever know how those Indian U19 bowlers would have fared in world cup. We can only look relatively and its a fact that young Indian seamers have outperformed Pak bowlers in last few editions of U19 WC.

Are you denying Nagakotti/Mavi/Porel outbowled Shaheen/Musa in 2018?

Is it not true that Karthik Tyagi was better than all Pak seamers in 2020?

These are facts based on actual matches and not some hypothetical assessment.

Its tough to break into Indian side because our bowling attack is settled. BBS (Bhuvi-Bumrah-Shami) for ODIs and SBI (Shami-Bumrah-Ishant) in tests. Infact, even Shami was finding it tough to get into playing XI in last world cup because India was relying heavily on 2 spinners.

Pakistan on the other side didnt had a settled attack (back then). And with Amir/Wahab taking retirements from test cricket, path was made way easier for likes of Musa Khan, Naseem Shah etc.

 

[Titan24]

These ifs and buts comparison has no relevance as we wont ever know how those Indian U19 bowlers would have fared in world cup. We can only look relatively and its a fact that young Indian seamers have outperformed Pak bowlers in last few editions of U19 WC.

Are you denying Nagakotti/Mavi/Porel outbowled Shaheen/Musa in 2018?

Is it not true that Karthik Tyagi was better than all Pak seamers in 2020?

These are facts based on actual matches and not some hypothetical assessment.

Its tough to break into Indian side because our bowling attack is settled. BBS (Bhuvi-Bumrah-Shami) for ODIs and SBI (Shami-Bumrah-Ishant) in tests. Infact, even Shami was finding it tough to get into playing XI in last world cup because India was relying heavily on 2 spinners.

Pakistan on the other side didnt had a settled attack (back then). And with Amir/Wahab taking retirements from test cricket, path was made way easier for likes of Musa Khan, Naseem Shah etc.

Irrespective of who was better at U19 level, being better at that level is no criteria when we talk about international cricket. Its about the development of pacers afterwards and Shaheen has obviously shown more growth than most pacers in that tournament. Imagining that someone who was better at a year or two ago will remain better is not correct as players dont remain constant and either improve or deteriorate with time depending upon what route they take.

Pakistan had Amir, Junaid, Hasan, Rumman Wahab coming of a successful CT 17. At the same time Shinwari burst into the scene and still averages 18 in ODI cricket with 34 wickets. Within few months of all this Shaheen was able to get a spot in T20 lineup first based upon his PSL performances and overall growth he showed while working in NCA.

It was tough for him to break into the team as well, the way some posters are making it to be like cakewalk because competition wasnt their need to do more research. Once he got his first opportunity in T20s he showed clear caliber for that level and more potential than some 3rd, 4th , 5th options.

Shaheen has better international T20 stats than some of the U19 Indian bowlers' domestic T20 stats. Dont see those Indian U19 bowler bowling a spell of 8/39 in an innings or 5/6 in any T20 competition let alone the premier T20 competition. Its pretty clear how Shaheen burst into the scene and Indian pacers couldnt.

If they were so good why couldnt they play over the likes of Kaul, Thakur, Siraj, Unadkat etc when India tried them in T20s? They couldnt even get selected over these names? Maybe because, just myabe that Mavi averages 50 odd with ball in T20 cricket and Nagarkoti last played a domestic match two years ago? You need to show something to get into national team, just saying certain bowler was good at U19 level doesnt really cut the bill.

 

[naseem]

These ifs and buts comparison has no relevance as we wont ever know how those Indian U19 bowlers would have fared in world cup. We can only look relatively and its a fact that young Indian seamers have outperformed Pak bowlers in last few editions of U19 WC.

Are you denying Nagakotti/Mavi/Porel outbowled Shaheen/Musa in 2018?

Is it not true that Karthik Tyagi was better than all Pak seamers in 2020?

These are facts based on actual matches and not some hypothetical assessment.

Its tough to break into Indian side because our bowling attack is settled. BBS (Bhuvi-Bumrah-Shami) for ODIs and SBI (Shami-Bumrah-Ishant) in tests. Infact, even Shami was finding it tough to get into playing XI in last world cup because India was relying heavily on 2 spinners.

Pakistan on the other side didnt had a settled attack (back then). And with Amir/Wahab taking retirements from test cricket, path was made way easier for likes of Musa Khan, Naseem Shah etc.

Just like U19 stats world cup 19 stats are true and can't b ignored Saheen out bowled the highest wicket taking bowler of india and that too playing relatively very very low matches.........even his performance in final T20 v Eng... Had pegged Eng chase back..... Saheen performed in pressure situations too.....yes the tests are still where he is finding his feet but hopefully he will stand up...with a matchwinning one.......

Pak has the strategy of introducing bowlers at a very young age but India won't ....india has a different strategy it not that it's that difficult at least in this age....india could have suffled the Bumrah Sami Bhuvi

 

[Titan24]

[MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] I am not writing Indian U19 pacers of but saying but I dont agree with the statement that they couldnt break in because of competition when even the likes of Thakur and co got the opportunities. Among the names you have mentioned only Porel has at the moment something behind him and others are yet to show anything at any level post U19.

Shaheen was clearly ready for the international level as his stats show and there is nothing some of the names you have mentioned showed base upon which we can call that they were ready for international cricket. No selector in the world can select a pacer averaging 50 in t20 cricket and nothing else to show and other pacer who was injured and last play a match 2 years ago.

 

[Indiafan]

IPL batting is on a different level. Look at Pat Cummins getting thrashed. These PSL bowliers being hyped up will be thrashed like no tomorrow

 

[Rajdeep]

IPL batting is on a different level. Look at Pat Cummins getting thrashed. These PSL bowliers being hyped up will be thrashed like no tomorrow

All hit by Rohit though and not by some young batsmen. Actually I am more worried about our batting than bowling. We have not found a single young batsman like Rohit who can hit sixes at will. Samson shown some glimses yesterday but not yet sold on him.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Same Abu Dhabi pitch where Pakistani batsmen couldn't clear the ropes to save their lives, Yadav and Sharma are doing and against much better bowlers too. Laughable to compare these two leagues really.

 

[nextover666666]

Bowling PSL is better but in terms of batting IPL is better

In terms of good Indian bowler only one stands out and should player for national team and that is Saini

 

[BreadPakoda]

Same Abu Dhabi pitch where Pakistani batsmen couldn't clear the ropes to save their lives, Yadav and Sharma are doing and against much better bowlers too. Laughable to compare these two leagues really.

True. The likes of Faheem and Hassan are legends at PSL but one should just remember what happened to them in the Asia cup on the same grounds.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

True. The likes of Faheem and Hassan are legends at PSL but one should just remember what happened to them in the Asia cup on the same grounds.

Especially Hasan who couldn't buy a wicket and he was a PSL star

 

[MMHS]

Bowling PSL is better but in terms of batting IPL is better

In terms of good Indian bowler only one stands out and should player for national team and that is Saini

Bowling in PSL is not better than IPL and frankly, not even comparable. It might look better apparently because it bowls to PSL batsmen also, not IPL batsmen.

There is a reason Albert Einstein is cherished so much and theory of relativity is considered as one of two pillars of modern physics.

 

[Rana]

Deepak Chahar
Shivam Dube
Sandeep
Nataranjan
Mohit Sharma
Unadkat
Warrior
Mavi

 

[Shaka81]

Haven't watched a lot of IPL so can't compare the quality of bowling in comparison with PSL but I was bored today so decided to watch the KKR v MI game today. There was someone called Warrier bowling and I was shocked that someone as bad as him managed to not only get selected by a team but is a first pick.

 

[MenInG]

Especially Hasan who couldn't buy a wicket and he was a PSL star

Would that be the same Hasan who did so well in Champions Trophy 2017?

 

[Local.Dada]

Would that be the same Hasan who did so well in Champions Trophy 2017?

Joginder won us a WT20 what does that prove? There are flash in the pan examples everywhere.

 

[Local.Dada]

Haven't watched a lot of IPL so can't compare the quality of bowling in comparison with PSL but I was bored today so decided to watch the KKR v MI game today. There was someone called Warrier bowling and I was shocked that someone as bad as him managed to not only get selected by a team but is a first pick.

Unless you have attention span or patience of a toddler, you might have missed Mavi or a no.1 bowler like Cummins getting taken apart as well.

 

[Shaka81]

Unless you have attention span or patience of a toddler, you might have missed Mavi or a no.1 bowler like Cummins getting taken apart as well.

No need to be rude. Is he your brother or something?!
I have no idea who Navi is but he didn't look like he had any control, constantly bowling full tosses and wides. Also Cummins getting taken apart is the norm right now. England done the same thing to him a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Would that be the same Hasan who did so well in Champions Trophy 2017?

Yes. The very same but that was in England and he did well only in 2 matches.

 

[MMHS]

Haven't watched a lot of IPL so can't compare the quality of bowling in comparison with PSL but I was bored today so decided to watch the KKR v MI game today. There was someone called Warrier bowling and I was shocked that someone as bad as him managed to not only get selected by a team but is a first pick.

That only tells that you don’t have the eye to see what needs to be seen or don’t have the sense to interpret what your eyes are seeing.

For the first time today I actually watched some part of IPL - what I saw wasn’t Sandeep Warrior, rather a guy called Patrick James Cummins went for 50 in three overs on that famous Abu Dhabi track.

It can be for two reasons - 1. The quality of Patrick James Cummins is sh!t or 2. The operating level of IPL is at a different cloud - on your bad day anyone’s ma - behen - bahu ek ho sakta.

Take your pick, I know mine.

 

[Shaka81]

That only tells that you don’t have the eye to see what needs to be seen or don’t have the sense to interpret what your eyes are seeing.

For the first time today I actually watched some part of IPL - what I saw wasn’t Sandeep Warrior, rather a guy called Patrick James Cummins went for 50 in three overs on that famous Abu Dhabi track.

It can be for two reasons - 1. The quality of Patrick James Cummins is sh!t or 2. The operating level of IPL is at a different cloud - on your bad day anyone’s ma - behen - bahu ek ho sakta.

Take your pick, I know mine.

Sorry what does ma - behen - bahu ek ho sakta mean?

As for Cummins I don't think he's been bowling well since the lockdown. England thrashed him about as well. Just because Cummins was poor doesn't take away from the lack of ability of Warrier.

 

[Local.Dada]

Sorry what does ma - behen - bahu ek ho sakta mean?

As for Cummins I don't think he's been bowling well since the lockdown. England thrashed him about as well. Just because Cummins was poor doesn't take away from the lack of ability of Warrier.

That’s fine. Warrier might be average. I think he is mediocre too. However we all know the context you were implying, now you seem to have miraculously grown up after the last 2 response

 

[Shaka81]

That’s fine. Warrier might be average. I think he is mediocre too. However we all know the context you were implying, now you seem to have miraculously grown up after the last 2 response

What context is that? "Grown up"...? Considering how old I am I don't know how much more growing up I can do?
I was bored, I watched an IPL game because it was on Sky Sports Mix so free to watch and thought I'd comment on a thread on a forum. I couldn't care less about which is better IPL or PSL. I barely care about cricket. I just expected there to be better quality players considering IPL is considered the top T20 league. Who knows I might watch a few other games and get a better understanding of Warrier's particular skills.

 

[Rana]

What context is that? "Grown up"...? Considering how old I am I don't know how much more growing up I can do? ��
I was bored, I watched an IPL game because it was on Sky Sports Mix so free to watch and thought I'd comment on a thread on a forum. I couldn't care less about which is better IPL or PSL. I barely care about cricket. I just expected there to be better quality players considering IPL is considered the top T20 league. Who knows I might watch a few other games and get a better understanding of Warrier's particular skills.

You would also find it interesting to study the skill of Chahar and Mohit Sharma

 

[naseem]

IPL batting is on a different level. Look at Pat Cummins getting thrashed. These PSL bowliers being hyped up will be thrashed like no tomorrow

To b honest Kuldeep bowled rubbish.....Cummins is no good in t20

 

[Rana]

So in regards to Mavi,

The guy’s effort ball is 140kmh. He is young so we can’t be too harsh, but he’s not going to get quicker. He already is looking to become a specialist T20 bowler, most likely will stay in this format with the odd one day and maybe a Test debut.

He is better than Musa.

 

[MMHS]

Sorry what does ma - behen - bahu ek ho sakta mean?

As for Cummins I don't think he's been bowling well since the lockdown. England thrashed him about as well. Just because Cummins was poor doesn't take away from the lack of ability of Warrier.

Leave the first part

As for Cummins, I see a perfect simulation though - he was thrashed by England, the World Champions ... and now he is thrashed at IPL.

I give you another example - this one might fit better than the first line. Couple of years back, in PSL some Asif Ali thrashed some Hasan Ali for few Sixes ..... today, some Rohit Sharma thrashed some Patrick J Cummins for few sixes ..... both thrashing had one similarity - a pacer got airborne by by a batsman. The difference is that of the two incidents, one set is some Asif Ali/Hasan Ali - other set is some Rohit Sharma/PJ Cummins....... and the context is some PSL & some IPL.

 

[MenInG]

Yes. The very same but that was in England and he did well only in 2 matches.

He came back with an ICC trophy etc - think he can afford to smile a bit.

 

[Rana]

Leave the first part

As for Cummins, I see a perfect simulation though - he was thrashed by England, the World Champions ... and now he is thrashed at IPL.

I give you another example - this one might fit better than the first line. Couple of years back, in PSL some Asif Ali thrashed some Hasan Ali for few Sixes ..... today, some Rohit Sharma thrashed some Patrick J Cummins for few sixes ..... both thrashing had one similarity - a pacer got airborne by by a batsman. The difference is that of the two incidents, one set is some Asif Ali/Hasan Ali - other set is some Rohit Sharma/PJ Cummins....... and the context is some PSL & some IPL.

Are you usually smoking Something when you are posting these days?

 

[Shaka81]

Leave the first part

As for Cummins, I see a perfect simulation though - he was thrashed by England, the World Champions ... and now he is thrashed at IPL.

I give you another example - this one might fit better than the first line. Couple of years back, in PSL some Asif Ali thrashed some Hasan Ali for few Sixes ..... today, some Rohit Sharma thrashed some Patrick J Cummins for few sixes ..... both thrashing had one similarity - a pacer got airborne by by a batsman. The difference is that of the two incidents, one set is some Asif Ali/Hasan Ali - other set is some Rohit Sharma/PJ Cummins....... and the context is some PSL & some IPL.

TBH, Hasan Ali has been a terrible bowler for ages and Asif Ali is a hack who is just as likely to smash a few or sky one straight to a fielder. Can't really compare to Rohit Sharma and Pat Cummins who are two highly paid "stars" of their league. KKR have made a huge mistake if they thought Cummins is a match winner. It's not just that he got hit but the fact he kept bowling the same style of short bowling when he was getting hit. Anyone with any T20 skills would change up and try something different. He was the same in England so it's not like a one off thing.

 

[naseem]

Bowling in PSL is not better than IPL and frankly, not even comparable. It might look better apparently because it bowls to PSL batsmen also, not IPL batsmen.

There is a reason Albert Einstein is cherished so much and theory of relativity is considered as one of two pillars of modern physics.

In the same token batsman like Pollard Russel Gayle feed on weak bowling in IPL which they can't do in PSL and at times even in CPL........ YES theory of relativity is there 4 a reason indeed....

 

[naseem]

Unless you have attention span or patience of a toddler, you might have missed Mavi or a no.1 bowler like Cummins getting taken apart as well.

Sorry Cummins is no 1 in TEST and he is not that good in ODIS.....grow up

 

[Hasan123]

That only tells that you don’t have the eye to see what needs to be seen or don’t have the sense to interpret what your eyes are seeing.

For the first time today I actually watched some part of IPL - what I saw wasn’t Sandeep Warrior, rather a guy called Patrick James Cummins went for 50 in three overs on that famous Abu Dhabi track.

It can be for two reasons - 1. The quality of Patrick James Cummins is sh!t or 2. The operating level of IPL is at a different cloud - on your bad day anyone’s ma - behen - bahu ek ho sakta.

Take your pick, I know mine.

This just sums it up. This is the bitter truth which a majority of Pakistan fans will never accept. The quality of the IPL in every facet is much higher than the PSL.

 

[Rana]

IPL Indian fast bowling is average. The sooner we come to terms with this reality the better. The best Indian bowlers are those who are playing regularly for the Indian national team.

 

[Khan12]

This just sums it up. This is the bitter truth which a majority of Pakistan fans will never accept. The quality of the IPL in every facet is much higher than the PSL.

The majority of Pakistani fans accept that IPL is much higher. The only thing in which PSL is better then IPL is the local bowling in comparison to IPL local talent imo.

 

[Hasan123]

The majority of Pakistani fans accept that IPL is much higher. The only thing in which PSL is better then IPL is the local bowling in comparison to IPL local talent imo.

Thoss bowlers look so good because the standard of batting is nowhere near the IPL.

 

[Rana]

It would be fair to make comparisons with the PSL when PSL gets a window with no international cricket going on. Only then can people ridiculing PSL for not attracting the stars the current IPL has have a leg to stand on.

I am quite certain, if the PSL is given the same kind of window, it will have all the best players available also and they will happily play at the rates available.

Before this happens, let’s agree that IPL local fast bowling is mediocre compared to PSL local fast bowling

 

[Rana]

This year PSL batting standards were top notch. Plenty of gun batsmen scoring big. Plenty of average bowlers becoming exposed. People need to actually watch both leagues with proper scrutiny before making ill informed comments

 

[Khan12]

Thoss bowlers look so good because the standard of batting is nowhere near the IPL.

The majority of the top international batsmen have played in PSL bar the Indians. They have coped well. At times it's better to take the blue-tinted glasses off and see with an open mind.

 

[naseem]

Thoss bowlers look so good because the standard of batting is nowhere near the IPL.

Common man..... Even with the likes of Rauf Saheen Hasnain Naseem Wahab and Amir u r not satisfied......not 2 forget Dilbar Sameen

 

[Rana]

Common man..... Even with the likes of Rauf Saheen Hasnain Naseem Wahab and Amir u r not satisfied......not 2 forget Dilbar Sameen

He will not be satisfied even if we had Waqar, Wasim, Akhtar and Imran Khan. I know this breed of ‘Pakistan fan’ very well.

 

[Local.Dada]

The majority of the top international batsmen have played in PSL bar the Indians. They have coped well. At times it's better to take the blue-tinted glasses off and see with an open mind.

Kohli,Rohit, Rahul,other young Indian batsmen, Smith,Warner,Butler,Stokes,Bairstow, Williamson, De kock, AB (apart from half a season). I am sure I am missing more.

Now on the flip side we might be missing only Babar .

 

[Local.Dada]

Common man..... Even with the likes of Rauf Saheen Hasnain Naseem Wahab and Amir u r not satisfied......not 2 forget Dilbar Sameen

What exactly have these guys accomplished? I am not saying they are not talented but on what benchmark are you exactly hyping them?

Amir and Wahab I agree might be in demand in the IPL but how are they better than India’s main bowlers?

Did Pakistan qualify even for the knockouts the last 2 WT20’s and outside of dustbowls of UAE were Imad Wasim has done the most damage what exactly have these guys done that makes them unmissable talents?

 

[Khan12]

Kohli,Rohit, Rahul,other young Indian batsmen, Smith,Warner,Butler,Stokes,Bairstow, Williamson, De kock, AB (apart from half a season). I am sure I am missing more.

Now on the flip side we might be missing only Babar .

Seems like you can't read. Read again.

 

[naseem]

What exactly have these guys accomplished? I am not saying they are not talented but on what benchmark are you exactly hyping them?

Amir and Wahab I agree might be in demand in the IPL but how are they better than India’s main bowlers?

Did Pakistan qualify even for the knockouts the last 2 WT20’s and outside of dustbowls of UAE were Imad Wasim has done the most damage what exactly have these guys done that makes them unmissable talents?

I guess it's about bowing ....local bowling ...what Rauf has done....go watch Big bash u will know......what Saheen has done go watch Blast ..u will know....common.... Amir will own Rohit on any LOI match..... Wahab is currently unplayable in t20s.....Hasnain is okaish too...

 

[Local.Dada]

Seems like you can't read. Read again.

Yes we both are guilty of that. I gave you some international batsmen as well.

 

[Rana]

I guess it's about bowing ....local bowling ...what Rauf has done....go watch Big bash u will know......what Saheen has done go watch Blast ..u will know....common.... Amir will own Rohit on any LOI match..... Wahab is currently unplayable in t20s.....Hasnain is okaish too...

Apparently Cummins is better than all Pakistani T20 bowlers at this moment with his 0-60 in 3 overs [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

 

[Local.Dada]

I guess it's about bowing ....local bowling ...what Rauf has done....go watch Big bash u will know......what Saheen has done go watch Blast ..u will know....common.... Amir will own Rohit on any LOI match..... Wahab is currently unplayable in t20s.....Hasnain is okaish too...

Are you still living in 2017, please check Rohits performances in the next 3 games since the CT all 3 games including Amir. In fact the game before the final as well. unbeleivable 2020 changed the entire world but are we still hung up on 2017?

 

[JaDed]

I guess it's about bowing ....local bowling ...what Rauf has done....go watch Big bash u will know......what Saheen has done go watch Blast ..u will know....common.... Amir will own Rohit on any LOI match..... Wahab is currently unplayable in t20s.....Hasnain is okaish too...

Are you being sarcastic?

 

[Local.Dada]

Are you being sarcastic?

I think he is. He got me there )

 

[Rana]

Tailenders smashing 30 run overs in the IPL since yesterday

 

[Local.Dada]

^ in PSL the nomenclature is frontline bats. Akmal and Bopara hatsoff

 

[shaz619]

Apparently Cummins is better than all Pakistani T20 bowlers at this moment with his 0-60 in 3 overs [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

He's not really suited to the format as much as the other forms of the game, think KKR did a poor signing ; he defo isn't worth the 2 mill. Pat when he is going for runs can't take many wickets and when he's not taking wickets he can't limit the runs either. I think folk have failed to distinguish the different demands each format has and rated each player based on their rep alone, Pat arguably is the best in the world in the other forms; but in T20's our very own Chris Jordan is much much better

 

[Rana]

He's not really suited to the format as much as the other forms of the game, think KKR did a poor signing ; he defo isn't worth the 2 mill. Pat when he is going for runs can't take many wickets and when he's not taking wickets he can't limit the runs either. I think folk have failed to distinguish the different demands each format has and rated each player based on their rep alone, Pat arguably is the best in the world in the other forms; but in T20's our very own Chris Jordan is much much better

I would argue that our Sohail ***** Tanvir might be better

 

[Khan12]

Yes we both are guilty of that. I gave you some international batsmen as well.

You need to learn basic English first. The word "majority" and the word "Indians". Just to give you a clue.

 

[shaz619]

I would argue that our Sohail ***** Tanvir might be better

Then Chris Jordan ? how dare you. But is he better then Cummins ? hmm, I think am more inclined to agree to that, a match fit Sohail is superior to Cummins , excellent variation and lengths, not easy to put away and very difficult when up against him for the first time or after a while

 

[Khan12]

Apparently Cummins is better than all Pakistani T20 bowlers at this moment with his 0-60 in 3 overs [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

The guy is a well known Pakistani wannabe indian. Inspired by mamoon.

 

[Rana]

The guy is a well known Pakistani wannabe indian. Inspired by mamoon.

Sasta version

 

[shaz619]

The guy is a well known Pakistani wannabe indian. Inspired by mamoon.

A mamoo apostle / disciple ? Ooooh sounds like an episode of East Enders !!!

 

[Rana]

Then Chris Jordan ? how dare you. But is he better then Cummins ? hmm, I think am more inclined to agree to that, a match fit Sohail is superior to Cummins , excellent variation and lengths, not easy to put away and very difficult when up against him for the first time or after a while

Na bro not Jordan. Definetly better than Cummins as a T20 bowler. Amir is a better T20 bowler also, he will bowl 4 overs for 25-30 with a wicket or 2 on a regular basis. Reliable T20 bowler. Hasnain is on the right track, Wahab is also better than this version of Cummins.

 

[Rana]

A mamoo apostle / disciple ? Ooooh sounds like an episode of East Enders !!!

More like when Paul Heyman had Curtis Axel is one of his guys.