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Which league has the better fast-bowlers - IPL or PSL?

Please stop saying Pathan, Sharma or Joginder won you any tournaments. They didn't come close to what Hasan achieved in the CT17.
Irfan Pathan any day of the week over hasan ali.
Hassan doesn't come close to pathan in terms of achievement and doesn't possess the skill pathan did.
 
He will look at it next week if there was a gap in the international schedule and he is offered $$$ to play it. What do you know about the financial preferences of mercenary sportsmen?

If I had more money than Jeff Bezos I would be the richest person in the world and I could get Cummins to play in my backyard by offering him a billion USD. So?

The point is that PSL franchises do not have enough to get Cummins to play in their poverty league until he is on his last legs as a player and desperate to make any money he can.
 
Please stop saying Pathan, Sharma or Joginder won you any tournaments. They didn't come close to what Hasan achieved in the CT17.

.Irfan Pathan was man of the match in Perth Test, won series in Pakistan and man of the match in a WT20 final. An accomplishment some of your legends couldn’t achieve.

Ishant Sharma has won test series in Aus, CT 2013,Test matches in SA,Test matches in England and Nzl.

Yes comparing him with Joginder might be pushing it. I would say more like Amarnath the bowler who won us the 83 WC but given the sheer magnitude of the legacy of 83, I would say more like Balwinder Sandhu whose ball to Greenidge and other minor contributions are legendary.

It’s not exactly an exaggeration for banter, if you see it in context it actually makes sense lol
 
Deepak Chahar
Nataranjan
Sandeep
Mohit Sharma
Warrior
Unadkat
Mavi


Are miles ahead of

Rauf
Naseem Shah
Dilbar Hussain
Amir Khan
Mohammad Hasnain
Musa Khan

According to Mamoo

Do you realize you are comparing potential first-choice Pakistan bowlers with India’s reserve bowlers?

Moreover, when you compare the first-choice bowlers of both sides, India prevails by a massive distance.

So again, your chest-thumping is pointless and ridiculous.
 
Do you realize you are comparing potential first-choice Pakistan bowlers with India’s reserve bowlers?

Moreover, when you compare the first-choice bowlers of both sides, India prevails by a massive distance.

So again, your chest-thumping is pointless and ridiculous.

I don’t get it, so much bench strength and fast bowing legacy but playing 2 teenage rookies and a guy who bowls like Kumble in crucial Aus and Eng tours.

Or would this reserve strength only be applicable to PSL?

WI can boast of having some of the best freelancers in world cricket but does it really make CPL better.

I guess for Rana it started off as harmless trolling but now since people have touched a few nerves he is further tying himself in knots :))
 
If I had more money than Jeff Bezos I would be the richest person in the world and I could get Cummins to play in my backyard by offering him a billion USD. So?

The point is that PSL franchises do not have enough to get Cummins to play in their poverty league until he is on his last legs as a player and desperate to make any money he can.

So it is all about money...and the window. come back with your 'poverty league' argument when PSL has a fair window just like IPL and then if the elite players dont submit their names in the PSL draft at the time.
 
Shivam Mavi out bowled Musa Khan in the U19 WC in 2018.

But [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] Musa Khan is better.

Chahar has the best bowling figures in T20Is, but according [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] some dilbar Hussain and some Rauf are better.

Mohit Sharma took 13 wickets in the 2015 WC but apparently according to [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] Amir Some Khan is better.
 
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Do you realize you are comparing potential first-choice Pakistan bowlers with India’s reserve bowlers?

Moreover, when you compare the first-choice bowlers of both sides, India prevails by a massive distance.

So again, your chest-thumping is pointless and ridiculous.

Besides Rauf who is just recently breaking in and Hasnain who has been around the squad, who else has played as a first choice T20i player for Pakistan in this list?
 
Hardly 1-2 Pakistani players would get into a combined Pakistan-India XI across formats, and posters here are thumping their chests because our reserve bowlers are supposedly better than India’s.
 
So it is all about money...and the window. come back with your 'poverty league' argument when PSL has a fair window just like IPL and then if the elite players dont submit their names in the PSL draft at the time.

Who is stopping pcb from organizing the PSL during the same window as IPL?
 
I don’t get it, so much bench strength and fast bowing legacy but playing 2 teenage rookies and a guy who bowls like Kumble in crucial Aus and Eng tours.

Or would this reserve strength only be applicable to PSL?

WI can boast of having some of the best freelancers in world cricket but does it really make CPL better.

I guess for Rana it started off as harmless trolling but now since people have touched a few nerves he is further tying himself in knots :))

What nerves? Nothing changes the fact that Unadkat's bouncer is 125kmh
 
So it is all about money...and the window. come back with your 'poverty league' argument when PSL has a fair window just like IPL and then if the elite players dont submit their names in the PSL draft at the time.

How many companies in pakistan have a market cap of $1bn?
 
Who is stopping pcb from organizing the PSL during the same window as IPL?

A fair window means no other international cricket for a month, besides India playing Zimbabwe or Bangladesh maybe. When that happens, then you have every right to criticise PSL's lack of attracting superstars if they fail to do so.
 
Besides Rauf who is just recently breaking in and Hasnain who has been around the squad, who else has played as a first choice T20i player for Pakistan in this list?

Again, what is the point of thumping your chest over the notion that our reserve bowlers are better when our first-choice bowlers are not?
 
So it is all about money...and the window. come back with your 'poverty league' argument when PSL has a fair window just like IPL and then if the elite players dont submit their names in the PSL draft at the time.

You answered your own question lol.

There is nothing fair and unfair. IPL gets a special window because every player in the world is desperate for playing in IPl and everyone bord is on the same page because they don’t want to offend their players. Also they get a good cut from the player’s compensation.

May be you guys should stop scaring away elite players with Dilbar and co in bowling and Kamran Akmal etc in battijf as these elites are scared that it will hurt their legacy and eventually IPL contracts.
 
A fair window means no other international cricket for a month, besides India playing Zimbabwe or Bangladesh maybe. When that happens, then you have every right to criticise PSL's lack of attracting superstars if they fail to do so.

Should ICC also loan PSL money so that their budget is on par with IPL?
 
A fair window means no other international cricket for a month, besides India playing Zimbabwe or Bangladesh maybe. When that happens, then you have every right to criticise PSL's lack of attracting superstars if they fail to do so.

Arey bhai organise PSL during IPL and outbid IPL teams and sign the players.

PSL simply doesn't have the money. Ipl teams can pay 1 player $2mn. Thats more than entire salary cap of a psl team.
 
Again, what is the point of thumping your chest over the notion that our reserve bowlers are better when our first-choice bowlers are not?

So you admit that they are better. Now is that also in line with your belief that IPL is miles ahead in every facet? when it clearly isnt.
 
So it is all about money...and the window. come back with your 'poverty league' argument when PSL has a fair window just like IPL and then if the elite players dont submit their names in the PSL draft at the time.

Players play in IPL because they get paid millions and because it is the best cricket league in the world.

If Lahore Qalandars pay more money than KKR, most players would prefer to line up for Lahore Qalandars. However, if both pay the same amount, then most players would prefer to play for KKR.
 
Should ICC also loan PSL money so that their budget is on par with IPL?

As I said, when it happens and Pakistan struggle to confirm players like Butler and Stokes n the PSL, then you can run rampant.
 
So you admit that they are better. Now is that also in line with your belief that IPL is miles ahead in every facet? when it clearly isnt.

No I don’t admit it. Don’t put nonsense in my mouth.

IPL is miles ahead in every aspect. PSL is just a poor imitation. IPL has most of the best contemporary players in the world but PSL doesn’t.
 
Players play in IPL because they get paid millions and because it is the best cricket league in the world.

If Lahore Qalandars pay more money than KKR, most players would prefer to line up for Lahore Qalandars. However, if both pay the same amount, then most players would prefer to play for KKR.

Based on what? Your anti Pakistani imagination?
 
Who is stopping pcb from organizing the PSL during the same window as IPL?

That'll be a great thing for all the int'l rejects and part time amateur mercenaries who'll lineup to play in the PSL as the few int'l players it had will be playing across the border.

Wonderful opportunity for guys like Elton Chigumbura, Samit Patel and Anton Devcich.
 
No I don’t admit it. Don’t put nonsense in my mouth.

IPL is miles ahead in every aspect. PSL is just a poor imitation. IPL has most of the best contemporary players in the world but PSL doesn’t.

So the list i mentioned is miles ahead of the List with Rauf?
 
That's still a 5KPH faster than the bouncer from the great Mohammad Abbas, Pakistan's first choice Test pacer. :)

LOL you guys had Praveen Kumar as the first choice Indian bowler for quite some time, and you wanna chuck it large about Abbas's trundling
 
PSL teams simply dont have the money. Pakistani companies dont have the size to compete with IPL owners.

Yet the IPL owners cant stretch the quality of its local bowlers to actually bowl fast rather than gentle military pace
 
As I said, when it happens and Pakistan struggle to confirm players like Butler and Stokes n the PSL, then you can run rampant.

PSL doesn’t have a dedicated window and enough money because PCB is incompetent unlike BCCI.

PCB is incompetent because it is a reflection of Pakistan as a country - a poor country surviving on handouts with no political stability and economic growth.

So again what is your point? BCCI is where it is today because of its own vision and competence and because of India’s economic liberalization in the early 90s that boosted industrial growth and FDI.
 
Shivam Mavi out bowled Musa Khan in the U19 WC in 2018.

But [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] Musa Khan is better.

Chahar has the best bowling figures in T20Is, but according [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] some dilbar Hussain and some Rauf are better.

Mohit Sharma took 13 wickets in the 2015 WC but apparently according to [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] Amir Some Khan is better.

Rauf has looked avg in international cricket. Was ordinary against the same BD team. He is overrated as anything here.
 
So the list i mentioned is miles ahead of the List with Rauf?

You just gave some random Pakistan local bowlers and came up with rhetorical statements like Musa Khan is more marketable than Mavi :))

So if PSL is the greatest league in earth why are you considering a bowler getting selected for BBl as some amazing accomplishment.

I can confidently say, if BCCI allows someone like Vinay Kumar to play in foreign leagues, every league will be queuing up to sign him if not for his talent but just for the eyeballs any Indian player will bring to their league.
 
Based on what? Your anti Pakistani imagination?

Based on common sense. IPL is 12 years old, it has some legacy and history now.

The Mumbai Indians shirt means something today but the Karachi Kings shirt doesn’t.

Moreover, playing in India is a bigger deal than playing in Pakistan. India is a bigger team and a bigger brand.

Why would a young Australian or English player prefer to play for Karachi Kings in National Stadium Karachi over Mumbai Indians in Wankhede Stadium?

Unless of course Karachi pays him a lot more money.
 
PSL teams simply dont have the money. Pakistani companies dont have the size to compete with IPL owners.

What a dumb post. Not interested in your IPL vs PSL cr@p but the biggest reason Indian board is rich is due to size of India's population which is almost 6 times bigger than Pakistan's. Another reason is Pakistan hasn't played much cricket at home for the past decade or so. It's a surprise that even after playing their home series away from home for the last 12-15 years, Pakistan cricket hasn't died.

Rather than continuously making fun of them you should actually make fun of those fans who used to mock Pakistan for playing their series in UAE. Now we are hosting our own domestic league in UAE lol. Karma. :inti
 
This probably is not a great time for Pak fans to talk about pace.

Their spearhead test pacer is a poor man's Philander who hovers around the 120 KPH and a left armer Shaheen trundles in the early 130s after the first spell.


Then you have the likes of Amirs and Hasan alis who bowl cutters and huff and puff to bowl 85 MPH. :))
 
Yet the IPL owners cant stretch the quality of its local bowlers to actually bowl fast rather than gentle military pace

The owners are there to build teams to win matches not promote talent. The domestic structure is strong enough to do that. BCCI knows that and doesnt just give away caps based on IPL performances.
 
You just gave some random Pakistan local bowlers and came up with rhetorical statements like Musa Khan is more marketable than Mavi :))

So if PSL is the greatest league in earth why are you considering a bowler getting selected for BBl as some amazing accomplishment.

I can confidently say, if BCCI allows someone like Vinay Kumar to play in foreign leagues, every league will be queuing up to sign him if not for his talent but just for the eyeballs any Indian player will bring to their league.

This ends the debate.

People lining up to sign Vinay Kumar. How can we refute this?
 
This ends the debate.

People lining up to sign Vinay Kumar. How can we refute this?

Same way One can’t refute Rauf and Dilbar being the reincarnation of Walsh and Ambrose or in your case taking it a step further, already having the legacy and accomplishments of Walsh and Ambrose :) .

I always like to keep my responses apples to apples you see :)
 
Indian bowlers are currently better than Pak bowlers but when the time comes to deliver or they are playing in a big pressure match they mostly choke. This is one of the reason for India not winning any ICC trophy in the last couple of years. :inti
 
Same way One can’t refute Rauf and Dilbar being the reincarnation of Walsh and Ambrose or in your case taking it a step further, already having the legacy and accomplishments of Walsh and Ambrose :) .

I always like to keep my responses apples to apples you see :)

Are you sure we are not talking about Asad Rauf here? Because Harris Rauf bowls quicker with his left hand than Vinay Kumar does on his peak days
 
Are you sure we are not talking about Asad Rauf here? Because Harris Rauf bowls quicker with his left hand than Vinay Kumar does on his peak days

I should have said Asad Rauf the bowler but now I googled his name so I know it is Haris. I didn’t mean disrespect to him, I just didn’t know him well enough to get his first name right.

However I am impressed how you nail down tough spellings like Chahar and Unadkut constantly with their first and middle names. IPL must be doing something right :)
 
The owners are there to build teams to win matches not promote talent. The domestic structure is strong enough to do that. BCCI knows that and doesnt just give away caps based on IPL performances.

So how did Shivam Dube and Chahar get to represent India?
 
I should have said Asad Rauf the bowler but now I googled his name so I know it is Haris. I didn’t mean disrespect to him, I just didn’t know him well enough to get his first name right.

However I am impressed how you nail down tough spellings like Chahar and Unadkut constantly with their first and middle names. IPL must be doing something right :)

I don’t claim to be arrogant or look down on professional cricketers regardless of where they are from. I watch sport with the scrutiny it deserves unlike your types who watch Pakistan cricket with ridicule and discontent.
 
Ashok Dinda will add so much glamour and popularity to the Big Bash.
 
I should have said Asad Rauf the bowler but now I googled his name so I know it is Haris. I didn’t mean disrespect to him, I just didn’t know him well enough to get his first name right.

However I am impressed how you nail down tough spellings like Chahar and Unadkutconstantly with their first and middle names. IPL must be doing something right :)

It's Unadkat sir. :facepalm
 
So how did Shivam Dube and Chahar get to represent India?

Lol Dube has done nothing in IPL. He made his way through performance in Ranji and then against WI A and SA A. He is mostly a big hitting batsman who can part time bowl. Nothing to do with his IPL performance. He has hardly played any games.

Chahar has done well in IPL I agree, even then he had to come through the grind of playing domestic games and then been around the A team a while before being picked.
 
"Trundler" Deepak Chahar in T20Is...

Avg - 14
Economy - 7.0

"Bullet fast" Shaheen Afridi in T20Is

Avg - 23
Economy - 7.5


*Awkward silence* :abbas
 
"Trundler" Deepak Chahar in T20Is...

Avg - 14
Economy - 7.0

"Bullet fast" Shaheen Afridi in T20Is

Avg - 23
Economy - 7.5


*Awkward silence* :abbas

This is on par with the worlds best leagues lining up to sign Vinay Kumar
 
You just gave some random Pakistan local bowlers and came up with rhetorical statements like Musa Khan is more marketable than Mavi :))

So if PSL is the greatest league in earth why are you considering a bowler getting selected for BBl as some amazing accomplishment.

I can confidently say, if BCCI allows someone like Vinay Kumar to play in foreign leagues, every league will be queuing up to sign him if not for his talent but just for the eyeballs any Indian player will bring to their league.

Are you really sure about that?

If I'm not mistaken didn't he once concede 102 runs in his 9 overs against Australia?
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] you have been tagging me in your posts since this morning, where are you now? Let’s talk about money in a discussion about cricket talent. Don’t hide now
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] let’s talk about ICC loaning PSL money but not giving them a fair window.
 
Actually I also wrote that Pakistan didn't play most of their home series at their real home for more than a decade and that is one of the biggest factor. It seems to went over that chinese troll's head, your's and your duplicate account(Mesozoic's) head as well. Try again. :inti
Ok so another question, why was pakistan not amongst the richest board before that srilanka incident? :inti
I know you won't give a proper answer but still
 
You certainly take online keyboard battles way too seriously lol.

Oh now I take them seriously? I just mentioned Unadkat’s 125kmh bouncer and it hurt a nerve amongst the Indians here, a lot of them have run away now.
 
our main bowlers suck
but our reserve bowlers are more clutch?
are you sure? yadav, saini, prasidh krishna are quite good.

now, our bench bowlers are better.

guys from our Sunday league games are better also due to tapeball experience.
 
Ok so another question, why was pakistan not amongst the richest board before that srilanka incident? :inti
I know you won't give a proper answer but still

How is Pakistan still surviving even after not playing their home series at home lol? It's because of their population. Bangladesh isn't doing bad either. Cricket is pretty popular there and won't die even if some Indian fans want it to.

You also need to come up with better arguments rather than spouting nonsense as always. I said BCCI is the richest cricket board because of India's population which is 6 times bigger than Pakistan's. Pakistan played their first home series in UAE back in 2002 against Australia. I am sure you weren't there in this world back then but after that it all changed.

NZ hasn't toured Pakistan for a decade and a half. England, South Africa too didn't tour them. How many big tournaments Pakistan has hosted? How do you want them to earn money without all this lol? Do tell me.

People comparing rich Indian board with Pakistan's without looking at the population factor, number of series India played at home compared to Pakistan's and not to forget the number of tournaments India hosted in comparison to Pakistan. :inti
 
How is Pakistan still surviving even after not playing their home series at home lol? It's because of their population. Bangladesh isn't doing bad either. Cricket is pretty popular there and won't die even if some Indian fans want it to.

You also need to come up with better arguments rather than spouting nonsense as always. I said BCCI is the richest cricket board because of India's population which is 6 times bigger than Pakistan's. Pakistan played their first home series in UAE back in 2002 against Australia. I am sure you weren't there in this world back then but after that it all changed.

NZ hasn't toured Pakistan for a decade and a half. England, South Africa too didn't tour them. How many big tournaments Pakistan has hosted? How do you want them to earn money without all this lol? Do tell me.

People comparing rich Indian board with Pakistan's without looking at the population factor, number of series India played at home compared to Pakistan's and not to forget the number of tournaments India hosted in comparison to Pakistan. :inti
they can earn money by playing with good players instead of talunts and phassst bowlers.
 
our main bowlers suck
but our reserve bowlers are more clutch?
are you sure? yadav, saini, prasidh krishna are quite good.

now, our bench bowlers are better.

guys from our Sunday league games are better also due to tapeball experience.

How does Pakistan’s main bowlers suck?
 
1. the foreign talent in ipl is much better than the foreign talent in psl
2. india's frontline bowlers are better than pakistan's.
3. The only point which is somewhat debatable is the reserve bowlers point.. unfortuantely these bowlers usually don't perform in a common platform, so there's no clear way to answer this question. That being said the result of the last 2 ind-pak u-19 wc encounter might be a common point.. India won the first by something like 200 runs and the 2d by 10 wickets..gill tore apart afridi and musa in the 1st one and in the 2d one the mythical pakistani fast bowling genes failed to produce a single wicket
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] let’s talk about ICC loaning PSL money but not giving them a fair window.

PSL will get a window if they earn one.

How did IPL get a window? They started making a lot of money, they were willing to spend a lot of money on top international players and that created a problem for ICC because there was a danger of players opting to play in IPL over international commitments.

However, no such problem exists in PSL. We don’t have enough money to buy the top active players in the world, so there is no risk of PSL disrupting international schedule.

So why should PSL get a dedicated window when they don’t deserve one?
 
Furthermore, IPL’s status is on par with international limited overs cricket. It is not compare to PSL, BBL, CPL, BPL and other cheap imitations etc.

It obviously deserves a dedicated window.
 
PSL will get a window if they earn one.

How did IPL get a window? They started making a lot of money, they were willing to spend a lot of money on top international players and that created a problem for ICC because there was a danger of players opting to play in IPL over international commitments.

However, no such problem exists in PSL. We don’t have enough money to buy the top active players in the world, so there is no risk of PSL disrupting international schedule.

So why should PSL get a dedicated window when they don’t deserve one?

How do you earn a window? Is there a competition to earn windows? World window earning competition?
 
How do you earn a window? Is there a competition to earn windows? World window earning competition?

Yes there is. IPL ran for year without a window. Now that players line up to play in it and boards Dont want a dispute with the players, Bcci enjoys a exclusive window.

Play PSL during IPL. Outbid IPL teams to sign the best players. The IPL window will be the PSL window.

But this wont happen with a salary cap of $1.1mn per team.
 
How do you earn a window? Is there a competition to earn windows? World window earning competition?

Read my post again.

If PSL can make enough to convince the best players in the world to play, it will eventually end up with a window of its own. Why is it so hard to understand?
 
Read my post again.

If PSL can make enough to convince the best players in the world to play, it will eventually end up with a window of its own. Why is it so hard to understand?

When the PSL gets a similar window, you can run your mouth then. That’s if PSL fails to attract the big names. Until then, do yourself the favour and be humble with your choice of words and Poverty league. Even playing fields first
 
When the PSL gets a similar window, you can run your mouth then. That’s if PSL fails to attract the big names. Until then, do yourself the favour and be humble with your choice of words and Poverty league. Even playing fields first

PSL will not get a window, because they cant buy one.
 
Furthermore, IPL’s status is on par with international limited overs cricket. It is not compare to PSL, BBL, CPL, BPL and other cheap imitations etc.

It obviously deserves a dedicated window.

And if we respond to this it annoys Indian posters when they have to use Deepak Chahar to carry this claim
 
You certainly take online keyboard battles way too seriously lol.

He has lost it.

Doesn't have any arguments.

On top of that he says PCB is handicapped due to not playing in pakistan. As if tv broadcast money depends on the venue.

IPL 2014 was played in UAE to packed stands. PSL and pakistan matches see half filled stadiums.
 
When the PSL gets a similar window, you can run your mouth then. That’s if PSL fails to attract the big names. Until then, do yourself the favour and be humble with your choice of words and Poverty league. Even playing fields first

Once again - IPL has a window because it can afford the best players in the world and thus disrupt the international schedule.

PSL cannot do that because it is a poverty league that cannot afford the best players in the world except maybe 1-2.

And why should there be an even playing field when IPL is far richer?

As the great economist Adam Smith said:

“The worst form of inequality is making unequal things equal”

The fact that PCB does not have enough money to buy the best players in the world is not ICC or BCCI’s problem.
 
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