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Which league has the better fast-bowlers - IPL or PSL?

cricketjoshila said:
Aaron still clocks 150ks. Did in last years IPL.

Salvi? Vrv?Balaji? are you even serious? These guys were TTFs and discarded.
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Yes it's the list of TTFs and discarded u r ri8 ......very soon Chahar Saini will join them too...
 
cricketjoshila said:
The UAE phase started in 2009.

What happened from 1989 to 2009?

I tell you how a tradition or real factory is,

India has a tradition of producing world class batsmen,

Gavaskar was the first legendary batsmen, he retired in 87. Within 2 years 1989 Tendulkar made his debut, he was joined by Dravid Ganguly VVS Sehwag then Gambhir.

While these guys were still playing Kohli made his debut, he was then joined by Rohit Dhawan etc.

While these guys are still playing India is trying to get in the next gen of Shaw, Gill, Iyer, Pant etc.

Since 1970s an India is always among the top 3 batsman of the world.

70s-80s Gavaskar
90s Tendulkar
2000s Tendulkar Dravid
2010s Kohli

While Pakistan hasnt produced a fast bowler to carry on the legacy of Imran Khan and the 2 Ws.
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Nobody is doubting India's legacy as a batting powerhouse.......topic is about local pace bowlers.........legacy of Pak was derailed by 2010 saga somewhat but it will be on track.....soon.......the factory is operating in any stage u will find Pak having a potent attack......sometimes its attack is Gul Junaid Irfan.....sometimes it's Amir Asif Wahab......sometimes it's Razzaq Rana Sabbir sometimes it's Saheen Wahab Rauf........in between u have Tanvirs Cheemas....... There are always the flag bearer ...... Hopefully in coming days the flag will be in the hand of Saheen Naseem Akif Rauf.....who else.......only Allah knows........
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
So shadab is an overacting clown for topping the PSL batting charts, being listed on ICC’s top 5/10 bowler and all rounder rankings, and consistently having impact in the field but curran is terrific for doing well in one IPL game?

Nice :)
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Yes that is correct. Sam Curran is a terrific cricketer who has dominated India in Test cricket. He was a major reason why India were thumped in 2018.

If Shadab plays Test cricket vs India, he would average 50+ with the ball and below 20 with the bat.

There is no comparison between the two. Sam Curran is a good 2-3 levels above the glorified specialist fielder.
 
naseem said:
Nobody is doubting India's legacy as a batting powerhouse.......topic is about local pace bowlers.........legacy of Pak was derailed by 2010 saga somewhat but it will be on track.....soon.......the factory is operating in any stage u will find Pak having a potent attack......sometimes its attack is Gul Junaid Irfan.....sometimes it's Amir Asif Wahab......sometimes it's Razzaq Rana Sabbir sometimes it's Saheen Wahab Rauf........in between u have Tanvirs Cheemas....... There are always the flag bearer ...... Hopefully in coming days the flag will be in the hand of Saheen Naseem Akif Rauf.....who else.......only Allah knows........
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good luck. none of your bowlers post 2010 have been good. India also have phassst bowlers. No one gives a sh*t about fodders like Aaron who is like wahab in tests.

You need skill with fast medium pace.

Don't worry about India's bench. India's main attack is world class and that's all matters at the moment. India's bench will improve. India don't generally promote youth. They wait till they mature.

pakistan are in a dire situation where they have no choice but to rely on kids. different scenario altogether.
 
naseem said:
That Bhuvi who is a doubtful starter in ODIs ........tHAT Bhuvi who bowls 185 poor balls in 70 IPL innings according to cricinfo stats. One Hasan Ali is never a benchmark.. Pak can afford loosing Amir and Hasan........can Ind afford to loose Bumrah and Sami.......the answer we all are seeking in this thread lies there..........
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take hazelwood and cummins out of australia attack and it's absolutely pitiful. It's pathetic.

patto is trash in odi and average in t20. he is a home bully in tests. starc can't lead an attack even at home.


take archer out of England and put in Willey rofl.

take shaheen out of Pakistan's nd it's beyond woeful.

Every team need a star bowlers.
 
naseem said:
So u r sure they will have the same impact as Saheen.....when they debut i e if they debut .........in future........I have said earlier that one is a well accustomed test attack ....Ishant having played 97 tests...... Whereas Pak attack is just shaping.......it's not that Pak is desperate but Pak has always infused talent at very young age....... your ISHANT debuted at 19 years of age......if I m not wrong....... It's always something special which induces a board or selector to pick a player .....it's same for Miandad Akram Tendulkar Ishant.......it's same for Haidar Ali Babar Saheen Naseem.........m i forgetting something yes IRFAN PATHAN.....I think he was introduced very young too......WARNER has played for Australia in tests without playing first class........every body will follow the same path it's not written anywhere.........it's that spark that something special which encourages the selectors to give that particular player a chance it's not desperation.........in some leagues players like Banton Naseem Hasnain make their name whereas else u will find WARRIER Avesh Mavi NATRAJAN Krishna struggling to make a name
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Pakistan is desperate. Take out Shaheen and Naseem. Who will be the next in line mature bowlers that pakistan have?

Pathan made his debut fir Baroda in 2000. Played for India in 2003 december. After almost 3 years of domestic cricket.

Ishant too played couple of years of FC cricket.

As i said its the system.

In India players are picked on basis of FC and A tours not on the basis of leagues.

Made name? What has Hasnain or Naseem achieved except that due to shortage of fast bowlers pakistan is forced to play them.

If its regarding speed, then Krishna has hit 150ks in IPL multiple times. Mavi was bowling in 149s in IPL before his injury last year. They will play for India when they have gone through the system.

For every Natarajan or Warrier there are numerous no name players who play in the leagues. Most of us wont even know their name since those leagues have limited following.

If i start going through squad lists of psl or cpl teams many such names will come out. But with every Warrier, there is a Cummins or Ferguson in the team. For every Avesh there is a Rabada or Nortje.

so god knows what your point is
 
naseem said:
Nobody is doubting India's legacy as a batting powerhouse.......topic is about local pace bowlers.........legacy of Pak was derailed by 2010 saga somewhat but it will be on track.....soon.......the factory is operating in any stage u will find Pak having a potent attack......sometimes its attack is Gul Junaid Irfan.....sometimes it's Amir Asif Wahab......sometimes it's Razzaq Rana Sabbir sometimes it's Saheen Wahab Rauf........in between u have Tanvirs Cheemas....... There are always the flag bearer ...... Hopefully in coming days the flag will be in the hand of Saheen Naseem Akif Rauf.....who else.......only Allah knows........
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Can you tell me who has debut for pakistan post Waqar who can be called an ATG fast bowler?

Which pakistani fast bowler has taken 200 test wickets after making his debut post 1989?

The last truly great fast bowler fron pakistan made his debut 31 years back and retired 17 years back.

India has had atleast 1 ATG level player in the team since Gavaskar made his debut in 1971, except may be for a couple of years here or there. Thats legacy.

Leave that, India has had numerous batsman who has avgd over 40 in tests with minimum 4000 test runs. An equivalent will be 200 test wickets below 30 avg, how many pakistani fast bowlers has done that?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Pakistan is desperate. Take out Shaheen and Naseem. Who will be the next in line mature bowlers that pakistan have?

Pathan made his debut fir Baroda in 2000. Played for India in 2003 december. After almost 3 years of domestic cricket.

Ishant too played couple of years of FC cricket.

As i said its the system.

In India players are picked on basis of FC and A tours not on the basis of leagues.

Made name? What has Hasnain or Naseem achieved except that due to shortage of fast bowlers pakistan is forced to play them.

If its regarding speed, then Krishna has hit 150ks in IPL multiple times. Mavi was bowling in 149s in IPL before his injury last year. They will play for India when they have gone through the system.

For every Natarajan or Warrier there are numerous no name players who play in the leagues. Most of us wont even know their name since those leagues have limited following.

If i start going through squad lists of psl or cpl teams many such names will come out. But with every Warrier, there is a Cummins or Ferguson in the team. For every Avesh there is a Rabada or Nortje.

so god knows what your point is
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In fact only God knows what your point is.you are indirectly accepting my logic in your last paragraph that IPL franchises have to fall pack on foreign pacers in order to maintain a semblance in their pace attack as without them it will be not even the level of Scotland Ireland .....or even Holland......... Just remove Rabada Nortje Curran Hazelwood .......u r left with a nothing attack.........

Wait for national t20 .......wait for Saheens tour to New Zealand.......

As far as t20 is concerned and since these are t20 leagues and since 2 back to back world cup is due this is the line of attack of Pak .....

Amir
Saheen
Wahab
RAuf
Hasnain
Shinwari
Tanvir
Sameen gul
Musa
Akif Javed
Ahmed Butt
Faheem

Many names will gradually role out once we get to see more PSL tournament.........indeed we will keep ur excitement intact..... Don't worry......



At last good u r beginning to accept the truth
 
Agree with [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] , every new player coming out to play for pakistan is deemed as a world beater even before the debut by the fans. Haider ali is the latest example , some people are comparing him to rohit sharma.

The fact is , pakistan do not have quality fast bowlers in the domestic anymome.

In my opinion junaid sbould have played more but PCB totally ignored him after amir made his comeback , amirs comeback served as a curse for him. He bowled all his career in the heat of UAE and did relatively well there.
 
naseem said:
In fact only God knows what your point is.you are indirectly accepting my logic in your last paragraph that IPL franchises have to fall pack on foreign pacers in order to maintain a semblance in their pace attack as without them it will be not even the level of Scotland Ireland .....or even Holland......... Just remove Rabada Nortje Curran Hazelwood .......u r left with a nothing attack.........

Wait for national t20 .......wait for Saheens tour to New Zealand.......

As far as t20 is concerned and since these are t20 leagues and since 2 back to back world cup is due this is the line of attack of Pak .....

Amir
Saheen
Wahab
RAuf
Hasnain
Shinwari
Tanvir
Sameen gul
Musa
Akif Javed
Ahmed Butt
Faheem

Many names will gradually role out once we get to see more PSL tournament.........indeed we will keep ur excitement intact..... Don't worry......



At last good u r beginning to accept the truth
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literally all those bowlers are trash barring amir and shaheen in t20s. not even going to address tests.
 
tyron_woodley said:
literally all those bowlers are trash barring amir and shaheen in t20s. not even going to address tests.
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Out of trash comes out talent.........it's up to PCB to nurture them identify them.......I think we are not discussing test leagues ri8.......it's t20 leagues........and we have 2 world t20s...... Wahab Rauf Akif are no trash
 
cricketjoshila said:
Can you tell me who has debut for pakistan post Waqar who can be called an ATG fast bowler?

Which pakistani fast bowler has taken 200 test wickets after making his debut post 1989?

The last truly great fast bowler fron pakistan made his debut 31 years back and retired 17 years back.

India has had atleast 1 ATG level player in the team since Gavaskar made his debut in 1971, except may be for a couple of years here or there. Thats legacy.

Leave that, India has had numerous batsman who has avgd over 40 in tests with minimum 4000 test runs. An equivalent will be 200 test wickets below 30 avg, how many pakistani fast bowlers has done that?
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The only reason why Pakistan have Shaheen and Naseem already playing for their national team is because none of their seniors between age group 20-30 were able to maintain the standard of international cricket. Hasan Ali was hyped to moon in the first couple of years but he is nowhere now and doesn't even have 100 tests wickets to his name. Amir retired with 130 test wickets and doesn't even has 100 ODI wickets till now.

If Pakistan knew how to handle their talented bowlers, they would be having a couple of fast bowlers with around 250 and 150 wickets each currently and Shaheen would have been introduced as their young bowler in the team.
 
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Ab Fan said:
The only reason why Pakistan have Shaheen and Naseem already playing for their national team is because none of their seniors between age group 20-30 were able to maintain the standard of international cricket. Hasan Ali was hyped to moon in the first couple of years but he is nowhere now and doesn't even have 100 tests wickets to his name. Amir retired with 130 test wickets and doesn't even has 100 ODI wickets till now.

If Pakistan knew how to handle their talented bowlers, they would be having a couple of fast bowlers with around 250 and 150 wickets each currently and Shaheen would have been introduced as their young bowler in the team.
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Amir's lack of interest in red ball cricket and the injury and overkill of t20 and t10 matches has taken the steam out of Hasan Ali..... It's difficult for him to return soon and even if he returns he won't creat similar impact. A board can't do anything if it's players don't pick and choose and play all ABC leagues available....... Hasan is now seeing the effects. A board can't do anything when it's star bowler suddenly change his mind and say no to red ball cricket. If Amir doesn't show any improvement his place and contract will be gone.

Pak has learnt it's lesson and has now guarded it's main bowlers from going away from red ball cricket. In fact it has started to identify and earmarked talent for particular format.

The age group of 20 30 has Amir Hasan Rauf ..........the lionshare of bowlers are within or around 20......it's a blessing to have such a pool ............so that atleast 3 out of the pool can carry on the same way and play to their potential it will be enough.....

Pakistan can afford to loose Amir and Hasan, can India afford to loose Bumrah and Sami........
 
naseem said:
Amir's lack of interest in red ball cricket and the injury and overkill of t20 and t10 matches has taken the steam out of Hasan Ali..... It's difficult for him to return soon and even if he returns he won't creat similar impact. A board can't do anything if it's players don't pick and choose and play all ABC leagues available....... Hasan is now seeing the effects. A board can't do anything when it's star bowler suddenly change his mind and say no to red ball cricket. If Amir doesn't show any improvement his place and contract will be gone.

Pak has learnt it's lesson and has now guarded it's main bowlers from going away from red ball cricket. In fact it has started to identify and earmarked talent for particular format.

The age group of 20 30 has Amir Hasan Rauf ..........the lionshare of bowlers are within or around 20......it's a blessing to have such a pool ............so that atleast 3 out of the pool can carry on the same way and play to their potential it will be enough.....

Pakistan can afford to loose Amir and Hasan, can India afford to loose Bumrah and Sami........
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How are Pakistan affording to lose Amir and Hasan? They have thrown two young guys to face the music and their lack of experience was clearly visible in test matches. They played Shaheen and Naseem, both flopped and are averaging over 30 right now. This is where they missed experience of a bowler who has taken 200 wickets in his bag and still doing good.

As for India, Ishant is still there alongside Bumrah and Shami. Saini also looks ready for test cricket now, was impressive in NZ limited overs series. We also have Bhuvi who is brilliant in T20s and can be lethal in certain conditions. These are all backups. For T20s, there is Deepak Chahar in the mix as well.

Young Indian pacers are still learning, trying to get more experience but the signs of worry will only come after few years when we won't have Shami and Ishant.
 
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Sunrisers v KKR tonight

Looking forward to Mavi v Sandeep and Nataranjan

Let’s see Pat Cummins manage an economy below 15 for once considering he will be picking up $2m after this is all over
 
Ab Fan said:
How are Pakistan affording to lose Amir and Hasan? They have thrown two young guys to face the music and their lack of experience was clearly visible in test matches. They played Shaheen and Naseem, both flopped and are averaging over 30 right now. This is where they missed experience of a bowler who has taken 200 wickets in his bag and still doing good.

As for India, Ishant is still there alongside Bumrah and Shami. Saini also looks ready for test cricket now, was impressive in NZ limited overs series. We also have Bhuvi who is brilliant in T20s and can be lethal in certain conditions. These are all backups. For T20s, there is Deepak Chahar in the mix as well.

Young Indian pacers are still learning, trying to get more experience but the signs of worry will only come after few years when we won't have Shami and Ishant.
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That Chahar who would be replaced after just one over .. that Saini who can't control the flow of run....... One is 28 and other is 27 yrs old.....they are in the mix and for test cricket too..........that's scary to say the least

Pak has already lost Hasan and half of Amir who could not even maintain his fitness......not many years left in him either.........

I have already said indian test attack is well established and Pak attack is just taking shape.....u can't compare them......within few years time it will be clear who are the front line bowlers that will play around Saheen.........


Truth is Ind can't afford to loose as the reserves are simply not good enough ...as is getting clear day by day
 
So 200 test wickets is a benchmark now lol? Pakistan has produced more fast bowlers than India which means they had many options to replace any bowler who was going through a bad form/phase. Latest example is M Amir.

This thread is about fast bowling. Good thing about Pakistan is they give their young bowlers a chance too early in their careers rather than waiting for them to become trundlers like Indian selectors do. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
So 200 test wickets is a benchmark now lol? Pakistan has produced more fast bowlers than India which means they had many options to replace any bowler who was going through a bad form/phase. Latest example is M Amir.

This thread is about fast bowling. Good thing about Pakistan is they give their young bowlers a chance too early in their careers rather than waiting for them to become trundlers like Indian selectors do. :inti
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Yesterday the benchmark for success was a semi final. Today 200 Test wickets
 
Rana said:
Yesterday the benchmark for success was a semi final. Today 200 Test wickets
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I know. When you have more options in your bowling department then obviously wickets will be shared between them. How hard is it to understand? And even a noob who has just started watching cricket knows that Pakistan wins most of his matches because of it's bowling. :inti
 
Well I guess bowlers need to pick up a lot more T20i and IPL wickets these days hence the benchmark of 200 Test wickets is realistic
 
naseem said:
Out of trash comes out talent.........it's up to PCB to nurture them identify them.......I think we are not discussing test leagues ri8.......it's t20 leagues........and we have 2 world t20s...... Wahab Rauf Akif are no trash
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oh ok. yea true. Btw people aren't talking about Australia's fast bowling stocks. Most suck barring the top 2. take cummins and starc out and their attack is impotent in all formats. hazelwood is only decent as a support bowler when he can thrive off his partner's hard work (starc /cummins) and pick up the scraps.

their young guns are terrible in shield. Aaron summers and Riley Meredith average over 35 in first class. Mediocre bowlers. They have a little bit of pace but can never sustain it nor are they consistent with line and length.

Pakistan's bench reserves is better than Aussies. England's depth in bench reserves is pretty poor too tbh but in t20 it doesn't matter much as any fodder can pick up random wickets.
 
tyron_woodley said:
oh ok. yea true. Btw people aren't talking about Australia's fast bowling stocks. Most suck barring the top 2. take cummins and starc out and their attack is impotent in all formats. hazelwood is only decent as a support bowler when he can thrive off his partner's hard work (starc /cummins) and pick up the scraps.

their young guns are terrible in shield. Aaron summers and Riley Meredith average over 35 in first class. Mediocre bowlers. They have a little bit of pace but can never sustain it nor are they consistent with line and length.

Pakistan's bench reserves is better than Aussies. England's depth in bench reserves is pretty poor too tbh but in t20 it doesn't matter much as any fodder can pick up random wickets.
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Jhyle Richardson is pretty underrated.......... I don't rate others that much......since changing action Starc is not that effective......infact the local bowling resources are ok......that's it....

England have one of the best seam bowlers buddy Archer Wood Woakes Stokes to go with Jordan Curran ......tom Curran is not that good......but they have good t20 players overall
 
naseem said:
Jhyle Richardson is pretty underrated.......... I don't rate others that much......since changing action Starc is not that effective......infact the local bowling resources are ok......that's it....

England have one of the best seam bowlers buddy Archer Wood Woakes Stokes to go with Jordan Curran ......tom Curran is not that good......but they have good t20 players overall
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take archer out and it's mediocre in tests and odi.

in t20 anyone can shine.

even trundler curran is good in t20 and helpful conditions for tests.

stokes isn't that great in odi and t20 in terms of bowling
 
tyron_woodley said:
take archer out and it's mediocre in tests and odi.

in t20 anyone can shine.

even trundler curran is good in t20 and helpful conditions for tests.

stokes isn't that great in odi and t20 in terms of bowling
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There are rubbish players too...... Gregory .... Mahmood......but as a limited overs side they have most of their bases covered
 
So Pakistan’s bench strength is better than Ozzies, Indians, England, etc., probably the best in the world.

Pakistan’s bench players might be even better than their first choice.

Wonder why these bench bowlers never play for Pakistan? Why do they have to rely on 17 year olds or a disinterested 30 year old who aren’t helping them win much.
 
Pakistan could win only 3 out of the last 11 T20Is they played in the last year. Yet selectors didn’t pick the best bench warmers in the world. What injustice. :(
 
BreadPakoda said:
So Pakistan’s bench strength is better than Ozzies, Indians, England, etc., probably the best in the world.

Pakistan’s bench players might be even better than their first choice.

Wonder why these bench bowlers never play for Pakistan? Why do they have to rely on 17 year olds or a disinterested 30 year old who aren’t helping them win much.
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Yeah wonder wonder..........I am also wondering what sort of confidence captain has on Mavi Nagarkoti.....have to bowl 3 overs from Cummins......seems desi bowlers can't handle power play overs......LOL
 
Will Nagarkoti even get to bowl in this match? Or does Kartik intend to bore us with Narine, Kuldeep and chakarvati?
 
BreadPakoda said:
Pakistan could win only 3 out of the last 11 T20Is they played in the last year. Yet selectors didn’t pick the best bench warmers in the world. What injustice. :(
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Almost beaten england at their backyard in both tests and t20s......had broken the back of England middle order in first match........rain saved them.......it could have been 2 1....easily..........selectors have already trying out different combinations as u know we have 2 worldcups esp one in Australia selectors want to give more opportunities to them.........just wait national t20 is round the corner followed by PSL knockouts........we will keep u interested
 
So you have 2 upcoming fast bowlers playing, forget that they are Indian for a brief moment...why is the captain so scared to throw them into the deep end??
 
Now with Warner gone....no Bairstow ......it's safe for the pace sensation to make a mark....
 
naseem said:
Almost beaten england at their backyard in both tests and t20s......had broken the back of England middle order in first match........rain saved them.......it could have been 2 1....easily..........selectors have already trying out different combinations as u know we have 2 worldcups esp one in Australia selectors want to give more opportunities to them.........just wait national t20 is round the corner followed by PSL knockouts........we will keep u interested
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Almost beaten. Haha. You could compete primarily because of Hafeez and Wahab’s brilliance. Both youngsters from the 2000s.

Bottom line is 3/11 wins in last 12 months!
 
As I said with Warner gone Nagarkoti on......
Now he has to face the mighty Saha and the dynamic Pandey........wish him best
 
“Almost beaten” trophy went to you [MENTION=139165]naseem[/MENTION]. We got the real one. :)
 
BreadPakoda said:
Almost beaten. Haha. You could compete primarily because of Hafeez and Wahab’s brilliance. Both youngsters from the 2000s.

Bottom line is 3/11 wins in last 12 months!
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Bottom line is you have missed Haider innings....and then Saheens opening burst..... apparently u have also missed Rauf spell too........so bottom line is u have only kept tap on scoreboard ha ha.......botoline is your bowling resources is at rock bottom
 
You can’t take the urge of bowling a slower ball out of an indian fast bowler
 
Forget about bowlers apparently Pandey can't buy a run .........the less said about Saha the better........in fact Rashid would have fare better with bat....
 
Sunrisers is the only team that depends on foreign batters along with bowlers to pull them........it's pathetic to watch them
 
let Nagarkoti bowl man! What’s the point of giving him a debut if your not going to give him a proper spell?
 
Rana said:
let Nagarkoti bowl man! What’s the point of giving him a debut if your not going to give him a proper spell?
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Brother, there’s a separate match commentary thread. Also genuine question, how’s he bowling according to you?
 
naseem said:
Yes almost won the champions trophy and world cup trophy goes to u....aloo partha or bread pakora.....whatever u wish
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I didn’t say anything about almost winning a trophy. You did.

And we have 2 ODI world cups. Don’t need imaginary ones. :)
 
naseem said:
Bottom line is you have missed Haider innings....and then Saheens opening burst..... apparently u have also missed Rauf spell too........so bottom line is u have only kept tap on scoreboard ha ha.......botoline is your bowling resources is at rock bottom
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Yes. Ignore scorecard. Ignore 3/11 wins.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Brother, there’s a separate match commentary thread. Also genuine question, how’s he bowling according to you?
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He’s decent. So is Mavi, but they won’t grow quicker as fast bowlers. They will slowly start depending on slower balls and variations. These two have not physically grown physically since the u19 wc where they impressed.
 
BreadPakoda said:
I didn’t say anything about almost winning a trophy. You did.

And we have 2 ODI world cups. Don’t need imaginary ones. :)
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I know watching IPL gives u lot of pain......seeing the current match Pandey couldnt buy a run......DK showing no faith in Mavi Nagarkoti....... A 30 year old spinner making a mark....... It really sickens ........it sucks .....literally ...I can understand your pain......if Pak t20 record gives u joy ......brings even a slightest ray of hope in your dark universe ........I m happy 4 u.....
 
Rana said:
He’s decent. So is Mavi, but they won’t grow quicker as fast bowlers. They will slowly start depending on slower balls and variations. These two have not physically grown physically since the u19 wc where they impressed.
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Decent is being modest who can go at 8.5 9 rpo against Saha and hack Pandey is nothing to note of.....yes Nagarkoti hit the 140s.......but that's it......he is not the same bowler we saw in u19 world cup
 
naseem said:
I know watching IPL gives u lot of pain......seeing the current match Pandey couldnt buy a run......DK showing no faith in Mavi Nagarkoti....... A 30 year old spinner making a mark....... It really sickens ........it sucks .....literally ...I can understand your pain......if Pak t20 record gives u joy ......brings even a slightest ray of hope in your dark universe ........I m happy 4 u.....
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I don't watch IPL. Don't want to spend $49 on Hotstar. :yk At least I don't have to go through the misery of watching my team win only 3 games out of 11 in 12 months. :(
 
Btw [MENTION=139165]naseem[/MENTION] Manish Pandey made 51 @ 134. That's better than Babar's average AND his SR. Yet you say "he couldn't buy a run" :(
 
BreadPakoda said:
Btw [MENTION=139165]naseem[/MENTION] Manish Pandey made 51 @ 134. That's better than Babar's average AND his SR. Yet you say "he couldn't buy a run" :(
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Babar is no 2 in t20 and no.3 in ODIS mate.......and is probably top 4 bat across format.....ye Archer Steyn ko khela hai...Rabada ko nachaya hai..........not a Mavi Nagarkoti Varun.......try next time
 
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So Mavi probably bowls 70% of his deliveries as slower balls, what’s the point man?
 
What is this nonsense??? 2 overs only for Nagarkoti and Mavi! I hope KKR lose so hard today
 
Rana said:
What is this nonsense??? 2 overs only for Nagarkoti and Mavi! I hope KKR lose so hard today
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2 overs each by Russel and Kuldeep as well. Very strange. Why would you not make these 4 bowlers bowl their full quota?
 
BreadPakoda said:
2 overs each by Russel and Kuldeep as well. Very strange. Why would you not make these 4 bowlers bowl their full quota?
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Confidence man confidence.......cap has more confidence on Cummins Varun hell even Russel .......for that matter
 
naseem said:
Confidence man confidence.......cap has more confidence on Cummins Varun hell even Russel .......for that matter
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Russel bowled only 2 overs. No confidence in him too! Outrageous. This reminds me of Pakistan's selectors not picking up the right talent and going ahead with Hafeez, Malik, Yasir, etc.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Russel bowled only 2 overs. No confidence in him too! Outrageous. This reminds me of Pakistan's selectors not picking up the right talent and going ahead with Hafeez, Malik, Yasir, etc.
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Russel is foreigner .......should have given more chance to local players so that they gain experience .......it's sad
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Rajdeep said:
Khaleel agree but Bhuvi? When conditions are right...he is one of the best LOI bowlers.
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To be fair, Bhuvi has averaged about 25 in ODIs last two years. I have never been a big fan of Bhuvi the ODI bowler, but credit where its due.
 
Rajdeep said:
Khaleel agree but Bhuvi? When conditions are right...he is one of the best LOI bowlers.
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Good bowlers known for bowling well in all conditions......Bhuvi was ok decent but not now........can't stop the flow....can't attack.....
 
Bhuvi Khaleel NATRAJAN all gave 9 rpo in this small score encounter........ Scary .picture of indian limited resources is getting clearer day by day
 
They are competing against each other about who can leak more runs..... Really the competition is getting tougher day by day
 
The difference is not between bowlers...

Rather batsmen... Which are near pathetic in Pakistan who makes even a mediocre bowlers look dashing...

Pakistani batsmen don't hv power to hit sixes... That's why the lost miserably to srilankan 3rd string side....

That's why they reverted back to old hafeez nd malik to bail their pathetic batting line up out....

I mean this topic is ridiculous.. both nation hv similar bowling resources...

But their is a vast difference between batting talent
 
naseem said:
Bhuvi Khaleel NATRAJAN all gave 9 rpo in this small score encounter........ Scary .picture of indian limited resources is getting clearer day by day
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India with its limited resources is above Pakistan in the ranking in all formats, what does that tell you about your team?
 
Frontrunner said:
The difference is not between bowlers...

Rather batsmen... Which are near pathetic in Pakistan who makes even a mediocre bowlers look dashing...

Pakistani batsmen don't hv power to hit sixes... That's why the lost miserably to srilankan 3rd string side....

That's why they reverted back to old hafeez nd malik to bail their pathetic batting line up out....

I mean this topic is ridiculous.. both nation hv similar bowling resources...

But their is a vast difference between batting talent
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OK my friend please calm down I know it must be painful watching such talented Indian bowlers bowl today.
Their is a Reason why Chris Gayle couldn't buy a run in PSL and the following IPL went on to score a 100 I'm sure and big runs.

Can say same thing low scores in PSL due to good bowling.
 
ravisurya said:
India with its limited resources is above Pakistan in the ranking in all formats, what does that tell you about your team?
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It tells us Indian team is better then Pakistan team which no one is denying.

Talk is about bench bowlers and when people like you and others don't hava any answer you change the topic to batsmens and now which team is better.
 
ravisurya said:
India with its limited resources is above Pakistan in the ranking in all formats, what does that tell you about your team?
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Nd hv beaten the sh!t out of Pakistani phaaassst bowlers more often than not....
It's even embarassing to talk ... If i were pak fan i would hv gone into hibernation.. seeing the pathetic batting line up they hv...

shaheen guy has been already been given lessons by indian batsmen ( even in u19 world cup nd asia cup) ...bring on this naseem guy (which is border line mediocre)... He will face the same punishment from indian batsmen.. whenever destined...

Indian batsmen has already ended muvh hyped about hassan Ali's career...lol now he can't even start his generator at wagah border.
 
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