Which league has the better fast-bowlers - IPL or PSL?

[deep82]

WestIndies doesn't even have two decent pace bowler let alone any depth ( Not counting Gabriel and Roach as they don't play white ball cricket )

South Africa cup board is bare outside of 3 main bowler. Saw some new bowler in their last T20 series and all were cannon fodder.

England too doesn't have any depth. It's their batting that has won them white ball matches last 4 year. Besides Archer, each of their bowler can be attacked easily in T20.

 

[tyron_woodley]

If anything people should be talking about India's poor batsmen in swing conditions. Indian batsmen don't play county so they suck vs swing. Indian bowlers are absolutely elite top quality players. Batting apart from Kohli and maybe Rahul if he plays at number 5, no one can play swing.

 

[naseem]

All trash in t 20.

Jamieson done well in tests nd ODIs ....he is definitely going to do well in t20

 

[silentkiller187]

WestIndies doesn't even have two decent pace bowler let alone any depth ( Not counting Gabriel and Roach as they don't play white ball cricket )

South Africa cup board is bare outside of 3 main bowler. Saw some new bowler in their last T20 series and all were cannon fodder.

England too doesn't have any depth. It's their batting that has won them white ball matches last 4 year. Besides Archer, each of their bowler can be attacked easily in T20.

But windies have won more t20 cups then india? I think you need to take of your indian spectacles, you may have depth in IPL but when it comes to serious business why is it that a team who doesn't even have two decent pace bowlers like you have stated can win multiple tournaments but a team with soo much t20 depth and talent always fails. You can talk your mickey mouse leagues up as much as you want but cricket is about the international trophies.

 

[naseem]

WestIndies doesn't even have two decent pace bowler let alone any depth ( Not counting Gabriel and Roach as they don't play white ball cricket )

South Africa cup board is bare outside of 3 main bowler. Saw some new bowler in their last T20 series and all were cannon fodder.

England too doesn't have any depth. It's their batting that has won them white ball matches last 4 year. Besides Archer, each of their bowler can be attacked easily in T20.

Alzarri Joseph Osasume Thomas.....are good enough
For white ball and red ball...and they have few upcoming u19 talents too

 

[naseem]

If anything people should be talking about India's poor batsmen in swing conditions. Indian batsmen don't play county so they suck vs swing. Indian bowlers are absolutely elite top quality players. Batting apart from Kohli and maybe Rahul if he plays at number 5, no one can play swing.

Hard 2 play quality swing.....although u can play seam bowling but swing even it is so slightly is very tough to negotiate

 

[naseem]

No they don't but they have better depth than Pakistan yes.

My partner is South African and I follow South African cricket. Their depth sucks outside their frontline bowlers.

West Indies are fodder outside the main 3.

England is well ok I guess. They have a lot of trash bit part bowlers but take Archer out and it's all over for them.

India have good quality depth for t20 and possibly tests.
Not for odi though.

One Nortje and Rabada is shaking the batsmen of entire IPL how far you know about their reserves and potential bowlers.....
In your dream delusional world....evry other 9 10 teams have better bowling resources than Pakistan..

I don't want to break your myth and wake u from ur dream....
India has good depth in t20 tests ODIs t10...100..4040 and all other formats which are to be announced...
I thought u atleast have some sense basic cricket sense..

But it was my fault .....
When one is hell bent or adamant enough then it's not worth discussing with that person.......

I have my opinion and many have similar opinion so ur adamant blunt posts won't affect me or my views that much....

Period

 

[deep82]

But windies have won more t20 cups then india? I think you need to take of your indian spectacles, you may have depth in IPL but when it comes to serious business why is it that a team who doesn't even have two decent pace bowlers like you have stated can win multiple tournaments but a team with soo much t20 depth and talent always fails. You can talk your mickey mouse leagues up as much as you want but cricket is about the international trophies.

When was the last T20 World up? Guess it was in 2016. We are talking about 2020.

Do West Indies has two decent bowlers for T20 now.

Cottrell
Kesrick
Alzari
Oshane

They can still go and win the next T20 Wc because of their insane power hitting ability and battery of all rounders. ( that how they won two T20 ). Also just check the T20 record of WI after 2016 when all their powerhitters left. You will get a picture.

Also, did you even try to understand the context of the discussion about backup bowlers before bring IPL and WT20. Sorry, you didn't.

Finally, can you define failure for India?? A world cup final and a world cup semifinal ( 2014 and 2016).

 

[tyron_woodley]

One Nortje and Rabada is shaking the batsmen of entire IPL how far you know about their reserves and potential bowlers.....
In your dream delusional world....evry other 9 10 teams have better bowling resources than Pakistan..

I don't want to break your myth and wake u from ur dream....
India has good depth in t20 tests ODIs t10...100..4040 and all other formats which are to be announced...
I thought u atleast have some sense basic cricket sense..

But it was my fault .....
When one is hell bent or adamant enough then it's not worth discussing with that person.......

I have my opinion and many have similar opinion so ur adamant blunt posts won't affect me or my views that much....

Period

India have the best bowling attack in tests and T20.

In odi they are still good.

How far I know about South African bowling haha? You seriously want me to list their names? Their young generation bowlers are absolute Cannon fodder. Nortje rabada. That's it.

Coetze is far from ready. Some Africans in the mix but just not good enough.

West Indies is a trash team even in T20 these days. Trash bowlers overall barring a couple.

Hell natrajan and khaleel would make their bench.

India have lot of young talented bowlers. Whether they get chances or not is a whole different story. But there is plenty of fast bowling talent.

 

[tyron_woodley]

When was the last T20 World up? Guess it was in 2016. We are talking about 2020.

Do West Indies has two decent bowlers for T20 now.

Cottrell
Kesrick
Alzari
Oshane

They can still go and win the next T20 Wc because of their insane power hitting ability and battery of all rounders. ( that how they won two T20 ). Also just check the T20 record of WI after 2016 when all their powerhitters left. You will get a picture.

Also, did you even try to understand the context of the discussion about backup bowlers before bring IPL and WT20. Sorry, you didn't.

Finally, can you define failure for India?? A world cup final and a world cup semifinal ( 2014 and 2016).

Final in Champions trophy

2015 semi final
2019 semi final.

India is a strong side. Just a mental block in KO stages.


And that too only because dunderheaded brain dead idiot selection board and dhobi don't pick the best players. They picked favourites.
Also number 1 for 4 Fu*king years in tests.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Let me see...... For T20.

In England literally apart from Archer rest are all bonafide can tin dud trash fodders in T20.

Aussies lol. Starc, Hazelwood? Cummins got shafted recently so he is excluded. Who else? Patto? Rest are all rubbish including jhye. Zero talent in the big bush hillbilly league.

 

[deep82]

Final in Champions trophy

2015 semi final
2019 semi final.

India is a strong side. Just a mental block in KO stages.


And that too only because dunderheaded brain dead idiot selection board and dhobi don't pick the best players. They picked favourites.
Also number 1 for 4 Fu*king years in tests.

We have underachieved in last 5 ICC trophy. But the consistency in reaching KO everytime is unreal.

The middle table team will give their hands for such record.

 

[silentkiller187]

When was the last T20 World up? Guess it was in 2016. We are talking about 2020.

Do West Indies has two decent bowlers for T20 now.

Cottrell
Kesrick
Alzari
Oshane

They can still go and win the next T20 Wc because of their insane power hitting ability and battery of all rounders. ( that how they won two T20 ). Also just check the T20 record of WI after 2016 when all their powerhitters left. You will get a picture.

Also, did you even try to understand the context of the discussion about backup bowlers before bring IPL and WT20. Sorry, you didn't.

Finally, can you define failure for India?? A world cup final and a world cup semifinal ( 2014 and 2016).

The context is invalid is what i am trying to say, there's no point in having discussions about which t20 league has better bowlers without looking at the ultimate goal.

The way india and IPL is being talked up here by some posters would make one think they blow everyone away every year, and by most accounts they have the most money the facilities the league to do so, so in my opinion the fact india hasn't won a wt20 since the conception of the IPL makes it a failure.

But like i said that is my opinion your very welcome to have your own, i am just adding some reality to this rather than massaging my own ego.

 

[tyron_woodley]

We have underachieved in last 5 ICC trophy. But the consistency in reaching KO everytime is unreal.

The middle table team will give their hands for such record.

And that too with wrong selections ROFL. We picked favourites not the best players. Let that be clear. Except in 2015. That was the one time we were second best with the actual best side playing. Actually no? Even then dhobi picked some of his favourites. Jeez.

Anyways political decisions cost us 4 titles.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The context is invalid is what i am trying to say, there's no point in having discussions about which t20 league has better bowlers without looking at the ultimate goal.

The way india and IPL is being talked up here by some posters would make one think they blow everyone away every year, and by most accounts they have the most money the facilities the league to do so, so in my opinion the fact india hasn't won a wt20 since the conception of the IPL makes it a failure.

But like i said that is my opinion your very welcome to have your own, i am just adding some reality to this rather than massaging my own ego.

India din't care about world T20. Tests always came first. Then odi world cup then rest.

India care about IPL more than T20 World cup but things are changing now under Ganguly. India want to take t20 seriously now.

T20 was more of a tool to pick out talented youngsters in the past but now teams are starting to take it seriously.

As soon as teams started to take t20 seriously, Pakistan lost their number 1 ranking in T20.

 

[naseem]

England bowlers...seam/swing..tests/ODI/T20s
Anderson
Broad
Woakes
Stokes
Curran
Wood
Archer
Onions
Willey
T Curran
Plunkket

West Indies...
Jashua James...
Jayden Seales
Raymond
Cottrell
Joseph
Thomas
Holder
Roach
Gabriel

Pakistan..
Hasnain
RAuf
Musa
Akif Javed
Wahab
Saheen
Naseem
Faheem
Amir....

Others who can do better in 1 or 2 formats..
Zia ul Haq
Arshad Iqbal
Ehsan Adil....

 

[naseem]

When was the last T20 World up? Guess it was in 2016. We are talking about 2020.

Do West Indies has two decent bowlers for T20 now.

Cottrell
Kesrick
Alzari
Oshane

They can still go and win the next T20 Wc because of their insane power hitting ability and battery of all rounders. ( that how they won two T20 ). Also just check the T20 record of WI after 2016 when all their powerhitters left. You will get a picture.

Also, did you even try to understand the context of the discussion about backup bowlers before bring IPL and WT20. Sorry, you didn't.

Finally, can you define failure for India?? A world cup final and a world cup semifinal ( 2014 and 2016).

So when being a runner-up is celebrated as success

 

[deep82]

The context is invalid is what i am trying to say, there's no point in having discussions about which t20 league has better bowlers without looking at the ultimate goal.

The way india and IPL is being talked up here by some posters would make one think they blow everyone away every year, and by most accounts they have the most money the facilities the league to do so, so in my opinion the fact india hasn't won a wt20 since the conception of the IPL makes it a failure.

But like i said that is my opinion your very welcome to have your own, i am just adding some reality to this rather than massaging my own ego.

You are welcome to your opinion although I don't agree with it.

I will back my consistent Indian team rather than a hit & miss team. Sooner a later, an ICC title will come. Its no joke reaching semifinal/finals for 5 consecutive ICC trophies.

If somebody have an opinion that except for a championship win, everything else is a failure. I will take that as a compliment everyday.

 

[naseem]

Final in Champions trophy

2015 semi final
2019 semi final.

India is a strong side. Just a mental block in KO stages.


And that too only because dunderheaded brain dead idiot selection board and dhobi don't pick the best players. They picked favourites.
Also number 1 for 4 Fu*king years in tests.

LoL India wale apne kamzori chupane k liye world cup se lekar tests ranking jayenge

 

[silentkiller187]

India din't care about world T20. Tests always came first. Then odi world cup then rest.

India care about IPL more than T20 World cup but things are changing now under Ganguly. India want to take t20 seriously now.

T20 was more of a tool to pick out talented youngsters in the past but now teams are starting to take it seriously.

As soon as teams started to take t20 seriously, Pakistan lost their number 1 ranking in T20.

No one took it seriously until india realized you could monetize it. Since then it has been taken very seriously by all the major countries. I will be the first to always admit the way IPL was created and the product it is now is miles ahead of any other league, however when it comes to standard of cricket, i think sometimes people need to take their tainted specs of and look at the bigger picture, the gap between india and the rest is nowhere near as big as people make out, even though india has all the money and all their players, even the average ones get the most exposure.

Once india has a few titles under their belt then the hype will be justified and you can talk about them like people used to talk about aussies dominance, until then people can make themselves feel better arguing their point on a cricket forum for their own ego but the overall records for all countries are their to see.

 

[Rana]

So when being a runner-up is celebrated as success

The standards drop to suit certain narratives.

200 Test wicket is a benchmark
Semi final is a benchmark
140kmh bowling is a benchmark

 

[naseem]

You are welcome to your opinion although I don't agree with it.

I will back my consistent Indian team rather than a hit & miss team. Sooner a later, an ICC title will come. Its no joke reaching semifinal/finals for 5 consecutive ICC trophies.

If somebody have an opinion that except for a championship win, everything else is a failure. I will take that as a compliment everyday.

Then u don't know or pretend not to know the meaning of champion....

 

[deep82]

The standards drop to suit certain narratives.

200 Test wicket is a benchmark
Semi final is a benchmark
140kmh bowling is a benchmark

Atleast the standard are good.

Apparently some team was celebrating 5th position in 2019 WC.

 

[Rana]

Atleast the standard are good.

Apparently some team was celebrating 5th position in 2019 WC.

Celebrating? More like being proud of beating the teams that came 1st and 2nd

 

[silentkiller187]

You are welcome to your opinion although I don't agree with it.

I will back my consistent Indian team rather than a hit & miss team. Sooner a later, an ICC title will come. Its no joke reaching semifinal/finals for 5 consecutive ICC trophies.

If somebody have an opinion that except for a championship win, everything else is a failure. I will take that as a compliment everyday.

Theirs a reason why South Africa are called chokers, even thought hey had a very successful team in odi and test even before t20 was created. There is a fine line in competitive sport, when you hype yourself up and dont deliver then it has to be seen as a failure?

Would you classify reaching 5 tournament semi finals without winning one in your own era of dominance a success?

 

[deep82]

Celebrating? More like being proud of beating the teams that came 1st and 2nd

Ok, being proud but eliminated in league stage is a good standard.

 

[naseem]

This thread is past it's sell date and conclusion is already drawn as usual some posters are probably
not ADVISED by their govt to accept the bitter truth.
It may be but without South African's English Kiwi bowlers....they look dull as a bowling unit.....
Even Russel bowls at death and Curran opens bowling

Let them bring $$$, 200 test wickets, ICC records, no.of semis and final appearances etc etc....

#GetWellSoon

 

[silentkiller187]

Ok, being proud but eliminated in league stage is a good standard.

i dont think anyone is proud, but we beat the world champions in that tournament, can you remind us of your result against them, also the other finalists, what was your record?

 

[naseem]

Ok, being proud but eliminated in league stage is a good standard.

Actually. I would watch the Eng Pak and Nz Pak games anyway over boring Ind Eng league match and
Ind Nz semis........any cricket fan will agree(of course not Indian)

 

[tyron_woodley]

LoL India wale apne kamzori chupane k liye world cup se lekar tests ranking jayenge

not really. if india lost after picking their best side then i will have no problems about accepting our failure. india dint pick their best team even rofl. They picked favourites and still managed to literally cruise into semis and finals etc.

the day india actually pick players who deserve to be there they will win an odi world cup or t20 world cup again.

 

[tyron_woodley]

This thread is past it's sell date and conclusion is already drawn as usual some posters are probably
not ADVISED by their govt to accept the bitter truth.
It may be but without South African's English Kiwi bowlers....they look dull as a bowling unit.....
Even Russel bowls at death and Curran opens bowling

Let them bring $$$, 200 test wickets, ICC records, no.of semis and final appearances etc etc....

#GetWellSoon

yea only the best foreign players get picked. the best foreign player who get picked would be the best in their country too my boy.

india has several good bowlers. let god worry about india's future.

 

[deep82]

i dont think anyone is proud, but we beat the world champions in that tournament, can you remind us of your result against them, also the other finalists, what was your record?

Just scroll up and see [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] being proud of beating top two team rather than reaching SF.

Also, apparently beating the finalists is a new benchmark now in ICC trophy now rather than winning the championship because one certain team needs a narrative to justify their campaign.

 

[naseem]

not really. if india lost after picking their best side then i will have no problems about accepting our failure. india dint pick their best team even rofl. They picked favourites and still managed to literally cruise into semis and finals etc.

the day india actually pick players who deserve to be there they will win an odi world cup or t20 world cup again.

Who would come in the team....Kedar??? RAyudu??
or any brilliant spinner.....had kuldeep Chahal plus Bumrah Sami Umesh.....plus Rohit Kohli Rahul Jaddu Dhoni.....what more u can ask for......14 players playing......Gill Shaw....???
On the contrary it was Babar 's first world cup.....Saheen 's first Eng tour ......Imam Fakhar are playing their first WC.....it is a more raw and inexperienced team. That fought well.......BRAVO LADS

 

[silentkiller187]

Just scroll up and see [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] being proud of beating top two team rather than reaching SF.

Also, apparently beating the finalists is a new benchmark now in ICC trophy now rather than winning the championship because one certain team needs a narrative to justify their campaign.

the point that is being made is neither of us won the cup so it doesnt matter, if you take a deep dive the team that beat both finalists is normally considered to have done better than most. but again, i will say my point again until your winning trophies you cant be deemed successful.

 

[silentkiller187]

not really. if india lost after picking their best side then i will have no problems about accepting our failure. india dint pick their best team even rofl. They picked favourites and still managed to literally cruise into semis and finals etc.

the day india actually pick players who deserve to be there they will win an odi world cup or t20 world cup again.

Let me guess they rested their best players for the IPL? "best players" is a very subjective term, the powers to be that were paid to do the job decided the squads they took were the best available, who are me or you to argue with the professionals.?

if pakistan had the best players available and selected them they would have won the world cup multiple times as well

 

[naseem]

Just scroll up and see [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] being proud of beating top two team rather than reaching SF.

Also, apparently beating the finalists is a new benchmark now in ICC trophy now rather than winning the championship because one certain team needs a narrative to justify their campaign.

Or beating defending champions trophy winners at the same venue in front of their living legend....

 

[tyron_woodley]

Who would come in the team....Kedar??? RAyudu??
or any brilliant spinner.....had kuldeep Chahal plus Bumrah Sami Umesh.....plus Rohit Kohli Rahul Jaddu Dhoni.....what more u can ask for......14 players playing......Gill Shaw....???
On the contrary it was Babar 's first world cup.....Saheen 's first Eng tour ......Imam Fakhar are playing their first WC.....it is a more raw and inexperienced team. That fought well.......BRAVO LADS

rayudu smashed n.z in n.z the year before in 2018. ofcourse he would be better than karthik.

iyer should have played and also rahul should have played at number 4.

mayank shoudl have opened. lots of bad decisions. india never picked their best team.

also dont forget shami was not picked for semis. major blunder. Not to mention dhawan injury. lol. so many setbacks.

 

[naseem]

Good bye lads......jaari rakho .....see u soon

 

[tyron_woodley]

Let me guess they rested their best players for the IPL? "best players" is a very subjective term, the powers to be that were paid to do the job decided the squads they took were the best available, who are me or you to argue with the professionals.?

if pakistan had the best players available and selected them they would have won the world cup multiple times as well

cricket isnt run by professionals. political decisions play a role in india. There are many cases of open favouritsm.

difference being india's best team is vastly superior to pakistan so no. pakistan wouldnt have won even with their best team. they played their best side.

jhadav
dhobi
karthik

rofl if you think india dont have better players than these 3 scrubs at the time. dhawan injury.
also shami not getting picked contributed to the loss in 2019.

anyway it doesnt matter. india dint pick their best team. so it doesnt bother me. had indias best team played then i have no doubt they would have won atleast 3 icc titles post 2013.

 

[silentkiller187]

jhadav
dhobi
karthik

rofl if you think india dont have better players than these 3 scrubs at the time. dhawan injury.
also shami not getting picked contributed to the loss in 2019.

anyway it doesnt matter. india dint pick their best team. so it doesnt bother me. had indias best team played then i have no doubt they would have won atleast 3 icc titles post 2013.

It does bother you because you keep mentioning it, like i said its all subjective we can only talk about the facts i'm afraid.To conclude pak and india are not too dissimilar, i would have expected a bigger gap if the gulf in quality between the IPL and PSL was to be believed. ?

 

[Lurker_Ind]

jhadav
dhobi
karthik

rofl if you think india dont have better players than these 3 scrubs at the time. dhawan injury.
also shami not getting picked contributed to the loss in 2019.

anyway it doesnt matter. india dint pick their best team. so it doesnt bother me. had indias best team played then i have no doubt they would have won atleast 3 icc titles post 2013.

2015 and 2019 WC loss has a lot to do with MSD and Shastri. Selecting a middle order of Dhoni, Jadhav, Karthik and sticking with them for the past 4 or 5 years was terrible to say the least. Our batting was just about top 3 and the rest were just Dhoni's buddies who were on a free vacation.

 

[naseem]

rayudu smashed n.z in n.z the year before in 2018. ofcourse he would be better than karthik.

iyer should have played and also rahul should have played at number 4.

mayank shoudl have opened. lots of bad decisions. india never picked their best team.

also dont forget shami was not picked for semis. major blunder. Not to mention dhawan injury. lol. so many setbacks.

Dhawan injury LOL ..... Australia lost Warne in 2003...
Pak lost....Waqar in 1992..... Don't make excuses 4 poor cricket.....RAyudu smashed Nz don't mean he would smash them too in Eng.....Lol.....and Nz is not the only team ......
Mayank ...ha ha......now u will say India needed AB Pooran....Tewatia..... India 4 all had Pandiya too...

 

[deep82]

the point that is being made is neither of us won the cup so it doesnt matter, if you take a deep dive the team that beat both finalists is normally considered to have done better than most. but again, i will say my point again until your winning trophies you cant be deemed successful.

Sorry, I don't agree with this approach. Yes, winning the cup is of utmost important but being dominating and consistent is also important .

I can never be a fan of a hit or miss team. I prefer a consistent team that crushes middle level team and be ultra competitive against top teams.

We were a hit or miss team in the 90's and I hated that.

Consistent teams will get their reward sooner or later. There are three opportunities for India in 3 years to fix the under achievers tag. If they still doesn't win the title, I will agree with you. The dominating period of India is still ON for atleast 3 years looking at the current available talent.

 

[tyron_woodley]

biggest joke is when people talk about these so called professionals who pick the squad rofl. Like we dont know how it works. favouritism always plays a role especially in desi countries. You background can make a huge difference.
Best and most deserving players at times never get picked in india. This is a fact. its a sorry plight.

Selection board wouldnt pick washed up players over real talents entering their peak. its unfortunate but it obviously happens. Especially when a popular player like dhobi has all the clout to select his buddies, selection board has no choice but to oblige. Being marketable also makes a huge difference.

 

[silentkiller187]

Sorry, I don't agree with this approach. Yes, winning the cup is of utmost important but being dominating and consistent is also important .

I can never be a fan of a hit or miss team. I prefer a consistent team that crushes middle level team and be ultra competitive against top teams.

We were a hit or miss team in the 90's and I hated that.

Consistent teams will get their reward sooner or later. There are three opportunities for India in 3 years to fix the under achievers tag. If they still doesn't win the title, I will agree with you. The dominating period of India is still ON for atleast 3 years looking at the current available talent.

You can call it consistent i would call it multiple near misses, but again differences of opinion. i would be very embarrassed if pakistan reached 5 consecutive semi finals without winning a tournament. We are rubbish at the moment i will admit but even we have won a tournament recently

 

[tyron_woodley]

Dhawan injury LOL ..... Australia lost Warne in 2003...
Pak lost....Waqar in 1992..... Don't make excuses 4 poor cricket.....RAyudu smashed Nz don't mean he would smash them too in Eng.....Lol.....and Nz is not the only team ......
Mayank ...ha ha......now u will say India needed AB Pooran....Tewatia..... India 4 all had Pandiya too...

warne in south africa would do f all.

hahaha mayanbk go check his list A record my boy. he is a stud.

dhawan injury cost us. its a fact.

rahul should have been number 4
iyer at 5

yes india dint play their best team and still made semis. even dominated the league.

I am indeed proud of india. If they lost with the best players playing then i will take my hat off to the opponents who beat us. But we dint play our best team so yea......

 

[tyron_woodley]

You can call it consistent i would call it multiple near misses, but again differences of opinion. i would be very embarrassed if pakistan reached 5 consecutive semi finals without winning a tournament. We are rubbish at the moment i will admit but even we have won a tournament recently

true. i wonder what it feels like to be a south african fan.

they reached semis in world cups too during their period of dominance between 2010-2015. they were number 1 in tests but never won an icc tournament. Guess india is feeling the same now.

South africa were consistently number 1 or 2 in odi in terms of rankings between 2010- 2015 but they never win an icc tournament.

 

[silentkiller187]

true. i wonder what it feels like to be a south african fan.

they reached semis in world cups too during their period of dominance between 2010-2015. they were number 1 in tests but never won an icc tournament. Guess india is feeling the same now.

South africa were consistently number 1 or 2 in odi in terms of rankings between 2010- 2015 but they never win an icc tournament.

They dominated but will never be considered an ATG side because they never won anything, that's the point.

 

[tyron_woodley]

australia won the world cup in 2015. oh wow at home.
india won the world cup in 2011. oh wow at at home.
englund won the world cup in 2019 via fluke. oh wow at home.

pakistan won the champions trophy in 2017 in england. Now thats a real winner. too bad it was short lived as they got decimated in the asia cup after getting too cocky rofl.

so if the world cup was played on foreign soil, i guarantee you neither aussies nor england would have won the WC during their respective triumphant world cup campaigns post 2010.

you need to win a WC and a champions trophy back to back to show that you are a true champion.

 

[silentkiller187]

australia won the world cup in 2015. oh wow at home.
india won the world cup in 2011. oh wow at at home.
englund won the world cup in 2019 via fluke. oh wow at home.

pakistan won the champions trophy in 2017 in england. Now thats a real winner. too bad it was short lived as they got decimated in the asia cup after getting too cocky rofl.

so if the world cup was played on foreign soil, i guarantee you neither aussies nor england would have won the WC during their respective triumphant world cup campaigns post 2010.

you need to win a WC and a champions trophy back to back to show that you are a true champion.

But if india had selected their best players for these tournaments they would have done the clean sweep by now ?

 

[Panchujeev]

When Stokes and smiths finding it hard to clear the boundary then there must something special in the bowling attack..IPL has come a long way...It is now more about class and quality of cricket than mere entertainment...

 

[tyron_woodley]

But if india had selected their best players for these tournaments they would have done the clean sweep by now ?

no? india would have won 2019 yes. 2015 they were clearly the second best side.

2017 india lost fair and square in the final.

in t20 they probably could have beatan lanka in the final. dhobi picked his favourites like past his expiry yuvraj et.

india wouldnt have clean sweeped. india could have easily won 2 or 3 out of the 5/6 they reached the semis/finals for.

 

[silentkiller187]

When Stokes and smiths finding it hard to clear the boundary then there must something special in the bowling attack..IPL has come a long way...It is now more about class and quality of cricket than mere entertainment...

Yee jason holder had a good game, one of the reasons why windies were so successful in t20s. Also smith and stokes both failed against Pak also in the UAE, most batsmen will in these dust bowls.

 

[Rana]

When Stokes and smiths finding it hard to clear the boundary then there must something special in the bowling attack..IPL has come a long way...It is now more about class and quality of cricket than mere entertainment...

What a lol post

Maybe you should post this in the thread created about IPL batting in UAE exposing Pakistan’s poor batting in the UAE

 

[naseem]

warne in south africa would do f all.

hahaha mayanbk go check his list A record my boy. he is a stud.

dhawan injury cost us. its a fact.

rahul should have been number 4
iyer at 5

yes india dint play their best team and still made semis. even dominated the league.

I am indeed proud of india. If they lost with the best players playing then i will take my hat off to the opponents who beat us. But we dint play our best team so yea......

Go check Khushdil shah's list A records...he is a don

 

[Rana]

The pressure is on

Archer stepping up whilst Indian local bowlers clearly choking.

 

[naseem]

warne in south africa would do f all.

hahaha mayanbk go check his list A record my boy. he is a stud.

dhawan injury cost us. its a fact.

rahul should have been number 4
iyer at 5

yes india dint play their best team and still made semis. even dominated the league.

I am indeed proud of india. If they lost with the best players playing then i will take my hat off to the opponents who beat us. But we dint play our best team so yea......

Almost lost to Afghans.....and didn't even showed spine in Eng game....huh

 

[naseem]

IPL sensation NATRAJAN gave 46 from 4....
Rajpoot giving him company with 11 from 1 so far..

And Archer as usual making it count.....still ppl argue this that ........

#Scribblemania

 

[naseem]

australia won the world cup in 2015. oh wow at home.
india won the world cup in 2011. oh wow at at home.
englund won the world cup in 2019 via fluke. oh wow at home.

pakistan won the champions trophy in 2017 in england. Now thats a real winner. too bad it was short lived as they got decimated in the asia cup after getting too cocky rofl.

so if the world cup was played on foreign soil, i guarantee you neither aussies nor england would have won the WC during their respective triumphant world cup campaigns post 2010.

you need to win a WC and a champions trophy back to back to show that you are a true champion.

Lol comparing Asia Cup to ICC tournaments.....kuch bhi....yaar....kaise karlete ho

 

[tyron_woodley]

And that too with wrong selections ROFL. We picked favourites not the best players. Let that be clear. Except in 2015. That was the one time we were second best with the actual best side playing. Actually no? Even then dhobi picked some of his favourites. Jeez.

Anyways political decisions cost us 4 titles.

Go check Khushdil shah's list A records...he is a don

Khusdil is unproven in any format and he is also a slow batter.

Mayank is proven in tests and list A and T20.

Huge difference.

 

[tyron_woodley]

And that too with wrong selections ROFL. We picked favourites not the best players. Let that be clear. Except in 2015. That was the one time we were second best with the actual best side playing. Actually no? Even then dhobi picked some of his favourites. Jeez.

Anyways political decisions cost us 4 titles.

Almost lost to Afghans.....and didn't even showed spine in Eng game....huh

Cause dhobi ghat wanted Pakistan to lose. See if India picked the right team instead of the crap middle order that dhobi chose then we wouldn't have any issue. Pakistan would have been in the semis and India probably would have won the 2019 WC.

Also Dhawan injury

 

[tyron_woodley]

And that too with wrong selections ROFL. We picked favourites not the best players. Let that be clear. Except in 2015. That was the one time we were second best with the actual best side playing. Actually no? Even then dhobi picked some of his favourites. Jeez.

Anyways political decisions cost us 4 titles.

The pressure is on

Archer stepping up whilst Indian local bowlers clearly choking.

I don't consider rajpoot and unadkat as bowlers. They are there due to their political clout. I never count trundlers as bowlers.

 

[naseem]

Cause dhobi ghat wanted Pakistan to lose. See if India picked the right team instead of the crap middle order that dhobi chose then we wouldn't have any issue. Pakistan would have been in the semis and India probably would have won the 2019 WC.

Also Dhawan injury

So fixing runs in CSK blood...good u admit...it.....I don't think India is a top 3 team of the 2019 WC...

ENGLAND
NEWZEALAND
AUSTRALIA
INDIA
PAKISTAN....

not much difference even after having 12 seasons of IPL...

Also if u can't win with Rohit Kohli Bumrah and Hardik Jadeja...in batting plus Dhoni's brain then LOLOLOLZZZ....

Dhoni ban gaya Dhobi
Aab khao tum Aloogobi

 

[naseem]

I don't consider rajpoot and unadkat as bowlers. They are there due to their political clout. I never count trundlers as bowlers.

What u think about.....the ASMAN ZAMEEN performance of NATRAJAN. Tyagi with Archer Holder.....

I thought Tyagi must be different but sorry to say he is no different than Thampi Mavi Nagarkoti class.....

 

[naseem]

Cause dhobi ghat wanted Pakistan to lose. See if India picked the right team instead of the crap middle order that dhobi chose then we wouldn't have any issue. Pakistan would have been in the semis and India probably would have won the 2019 WC.

Also Dhawan injury

How come India loosing to Afghanistan would help Afganistan.....oh I C......It would have boost Afganistan confidence after the drubbing they got from England before Pak match...

raw agent Indian team k saath tha kya...

 

[naseem]

Khusdil is unproven in any format and he is also a slow batter.

Mayank is proven in tests and list A and T20.

Huge difference.

Khushdil is not proven someone who is 100 SR in list A is a slow starter.....bhai u r kidding me.....comedy kab se suru kya ya
Mayank 30 31 hoga....Khushdil only 25.....big plus too...

 

[tyron_woodley]

So fixing runs in CSK blood...good u admit...it.....I don't think India is a top 3 team of the 2019 WC...

ENGLAND
NEWZEALAND
AUSTRALIA
INDIA
PAKISTAN....

not much difference even after having 12 seasons of IPL...

Also if u can't win with Rohit Kohli Bumrah and Hardik Jadeja...in batting plus Dhoni's brain then LOLOLOLZZZ....

Dhoni ban gaya Dhobi
Aab khao tum Aloogobi

You are a dummy. India was by far the strongest team in that WC with a full strength team.

India annihilated Australia so how is Australia ahead of India ROFL?
India are better than n.z and England too. Just had a bad day.
We chose the wrong players. Had the right middle order plus Shami and Dhawan played then India would have won the semis and the England game. India din't even play their best team. Dhobi ghat chose his buddies over deserving players. Period.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Khushdil is not proven someone who is 100 SR in list A is a slow starter.....bhai u r kidding me.....comedy kab se suru kya ya
Mayank 30 31 hoga....Khushdil only 25.....big plus too...

Mayank decimated Aussie bowlers in Australia. Khusdil the fodder can only dream of achieving such feats.

Mayank din't get chances in odi due to dhobi ghat.

Mayank is probably even better than Babar to be honest in tests.

 

[tyron_woodley]

How come India loosing to Afghanistan would help Afganistan.....oh I C......It would have boost Afganistan confidence after the drubbing they got from England before Pak match...

raw agent Indian team k saath tha kya...

England were trash without Jason roy.
You need all your best players in the world cup

India din't even pick their best fkn team.

India had dhovi's buddies playing in the middle and Rahul din't play number 5. Also Dhawan injury. ROFL. And still we dominated the league. That's how good India were.

 

[MenInG]

 

[Thunderbolt14]

You are a dummy. India was by far the strongest team in that WC with a full strength team.

India annihilated Australia so how is Australia ahead of India ROFL?
India are better than n.z and England too. Just had a bad day.
We chose the wrong players. Had the right middle order plus Shami and Dhawan played then India would have won the semis and the England game. India din't even play their best team. Dhobi ghat chose his buddies over deserving players. Period.

Well, 3 days.

 

[Mesozoic]

India is a top 3 team of the 2019 WC...

ENGLAND
NEWZEALAND
AUSTRALIA
INDIA
PAKISTAN....

not much difference even after having 12 seasons of IPL...

Not much difference but your team surrendered to us inside 30 overs of the run chase and lost very badly.


Also surrendered to West Indies inside 15 overs of the match itself....

Australia were better when we beat them comfortably?

 

[tyron_woodley]

Well, 3 days.

2? We dint even lost to n.z in an odi.A 2 day rubbish game. Should have been a rematch.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not much difference but your team surrendered to us inside 30 overs of the run chase and lost very badly.


Also surrendered to West Indies inside 15 overs of the match itself....

Australia were better when we beat them comfortably?

But their team didn't have 12 seasons of IPL and that's the point.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

2? We dint even lost to n.z in an odi.A 2 day rubbish game. Should have been a rematch.

Yeah, that’s what I meant. I do believe India should have won the World Cup (I was rooting for them after Pakistan), but they were not impenetrable. They showed that against England and New Zealand, and any remarks on what the selection should have been are a post-mortem, not a reflection on the team that topped the group charts.

 

[Mesozoic]

But their team didn't have 12 seasons of IPL and that's the point.

My point was more on the "not much difference" part.

Pay attention.

 

[naseem]

England were trash without Jason roy.
You need all your best players in the world cup

India din't even pick their best fkn team.

India had dhovi's buddies playing in the middle and Rahul din't play number 5. Also Dhawan injury. ROFL. And still we dominated the league. That's how good India were.

So from when league performances are celebrated ..in a world cup when the team didn't win...
Actually it started from 2015.....when India didn't end up winning...

1992 Pak team didn't have full strength one...
1996 SL TEAM were a nobody's.......
1999 Aus....team didn't have good league results neither they were that favourites too.....Steve was on notice by ACB......still they won...
2003....Aus dominated even after suffering Warne setback ....now plz don't say Warne ...SHANE WARNE wont do anything in Africa....

Even the 83 world cup winning squad is team of nobody's baring Sunny paaji and Kapil sir...

So excuses dena chordo

 

[naseem]

My point was more on the "not much difference" part.

Pay attention.

Yes I repeat there is THERE IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE......
I repeat. THERE IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE on the final standings....

What UR SIDE have done....inside first 5 overs against NZ......
What ur side have done against England ...from the start.....???

U need to pay attention and face the truth

 

[naseem]

2? We dint even lost to n.z in an odi.A 2 day rubbish game. Should have been a rematch.

We all know if not for Taylor's misadventures NZ would crush India 3 nil in ODIs in the NZ tour....and it may be two days....but it was a WC semi final....

 

[naseem]

Not much difference but your team surrendered to us inside 30 overs of the run chase and lost very badly.


Also surrendered to West Indies inside 15 overs of the match itself....

Australia were better when we beat them comfortably?

That rain affected match.....was lost due poor selection of team esp Malik