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Which series is bigger: The Ashes or the Border-Gavaskar trophy?
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whats a BGT?
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for Australians its always going to be ashes.
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It was too hard surviving the mighty Aussies on our last two tours.
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Pak should be winning every test in Australia then if Aus tour is as easy as some gully tournament.
Having said that beating Aus in Aus is almost an impossible task and Ind has done it twice back to back. Steve Waugh used to call winning in India as a final frontier for the great Aussie team.
Maybe you need to stop watching gully mohalla matches and start following international cricket
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Australians who are a party to both would say it’s not even close. It’s Ashes for them.
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Emotional value vs real world value:
Current Indian team will beat the current Pak team 7/10 times in t20, 8/10 in odis and 9/10 in tests. However we still have an emotional attachment and watch these games and are nervous or excited about losses and wins.
Cricket quality wise Ind vs Aus matches have been the best games in the last 10-15 yrs.
Depends on what your preference is.
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Border-Gavaskar Trophy: ‘It Is Bigger Than The Ashes’ Mark Waugh Makes An BOLD Comment
People live in BC era. Indian crowd outnumber Australian crowd in certain places. last 8 years lot of Indians have moved to Australia. They have overtaken both chinese and new zealanders in terms of migrants to Australia. Only British are ahead of them. People are desperate to play down with zero proof or reality.
This is an English magazine
The new Ashes? How the rivalry between Australia and India is reaching new heights
Attendances and financial returns underpin Cricket Australia’s motivation to elevate this India series and present a blueprint for the future
The new Ashes? How the rivalry between Australia and India is reaching new heights
Why Australia vs India is Test cricket's premier rivalry
South Africa have been worthy opponents for Australia in recent times, and there have been standout Ashes contests, but one match-up has consistently been the most competitive | ESPN.com
Why Australia vs India is Test cricket's premier rivalry
How Australia v India became as big as the Ashes
In terms of both commercial and sporting impact, the Border-Gavaskar Trophy, which begins on Friday, has caught up with rivalry between England and Australia
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How Australia v India became as big as the Ashes - Mike Atherton
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But what they care about most is rivalry with Pakistan otherwise why do they come running here to post about it? Why would Pakistanis care about it?
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where did Pakistan come from?Pak should be winning every test in Australia then if Aus tour is as easy as some gully tournament.
Having said that beating Aus in Aus is almost an impossible task and Ind has done it twice back to back. Steve Waugh used to call winning in India as a final frontier for the great Aussie team.
Maybe you need to stop watching gully mohalla matches and start following international cricket
thread is about The Ashes and some border gaskar series.
and you have sad it yourself, Ashes a series with 100+ years of history with each side winning is being considered inferior against a bordergaskar series, only because India managed to win 2 series in the last what 20 years? Not even 50 years, but its now above.
Thats how petty you have to be that by winning one series, you start to believe it to be above the Ashes.
Whats next, IPL is above the ODI world cup as thats where India can win back to back?
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Odis are a dying format. Odi wc has sentimental value to me as a cricket fan but in the larger context almost dying.
So realistically as a brand IPL is definitely 20
times more entertaining, better in cricketing quality and financially more valuable than boring odi cricket.
SENA Tests > IPL> WT20 = odi wc > Asia Cup > CT> rest of the garbage bilaterals.
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Border Gavaskar Trophy is better as it produces more thrilling contests.
England have been 0-13 or something in Australia over last three tours which is embarrassing to say the least.
England have been 0-13 or something in Australia over last three tours which is embarrassing to say the least.
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The Kapil Imran Trophy (KIT) surpasses both the Border-Gavaskar Trophy (BGT) and the Ashes in significance. 
Whichever series has higher viewership stats in Australia, should be the winner.
Personally it's BGT. Can't take Ashes hype seriously when one team is not even competing against the other. England haven't won a single test in last 15 attempts in Australia.
Personally it's BGT. Can't take Ashes hype seriously when one team is not even competing against the other. England haven't won a single test in last 15 attempts in Australia.
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Rivalry did not start in 2018. . IT has been around for quiet some time. Rivalry happens. You don't artificially create rivalries. Australia vs India rivalry just happened.
This article is from 2008
India renew heart-stopping rivalry with Australia
It's billed as the mother of all cricket battles, greater than the Ashes for many Australians and bigger than any Pakistan rivalry in the eyes of many Indians.
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Your life would be empty brother if Indians stop posting and India is not discussed here. Feel free to calculate time spent on writing the same things on same topics you get excited about. We are helping you with alternative view points that you can respond to with the same thing.
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Keeping BGT aside for a second Men’s Test ranking- No.1 Australia No.2 India. Also last WTC finalists. So the top2 teams in the world clashing.
India had a shock upset vs Nzl at home
Australia had a shock and unexpected upset vs Pak in odi series (not sure if they are killing themselves over it)
Now let’s segue to ODi format
Ind- No1 and Aus No2
Previous WC finalists.
T20 India No1 and Aus No2
India are the current WT20 champions.
On top of that test cricket in Australia is one of the greatest experience for a cricket fan and India is the largest cricket market.
Unless you are blinded with so much irrational dislike it makes total sense to me why this would be the most watched cricketing even till at least the next IPL.
Now is it bigger than Ashes is subjective and I would say it is. To conclude you would have to see the numbers. Let’s get hold of that maybe.
However yes this is bigger than even WT20 and if it helps India won that this year.
India had a shock upset vs Nzl at home
Australia had a shock and unexpected upset vs Pak in odi series (not sure if they are killing themselves over it)
Now let’s segue to ODi format
Ind- No1 and Aus No2
Previous WC finalists.
T20 India No1 and Aus No2
India are the current WT20 champions.
On top of that test cricket in Australia is one of the greatest experience for a cricket fan and India is the largest cricket market.
Unless you are blinded with so much irrational dislike it makes total sense to me why this would be the most watched cricketing even till at least the next IPL.
Now is it bigger than Ashes is subjective and I would say it is. To conclude you would have to see the numbers. Let’s get hold of that maybe.
However yes this is bigger than even WT20 and if it helps India won that this year.
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Cricket Australia nowadays have additional perks of playing India
This was about 2021 BGT serires in Australia
"Cricket Australia (CA) also released a letter this week to thank the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) for visiting the country and letting this tour go ahead despite the situation of the pandemic. India’s tour of Australia was crucial for CA as it was going to help them to get a financial boost. The series across different formats will reportedly fetch them 300 million Australian dollars in revenue. Considering CA was in a precarious financial state due to the pandemic, they would be relieved that the schedule went ahead as it was planned. From a sporting point of view, India is not going to forget this series anytime soon due to the scale of achievements."
This was about 2021 BGT serires in Australia
"Cricket Australia (CA) also released a letter this week to thank the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) for visiting the country and letting this tour go ahead despite the situation of the pandemic. India’s tour of Australia was crucial for CA as it was going to help them to get a financial boost. The series across different formats will reportedly fetch them 300 million Australian dollars in revenue. Considering CA was in a precarious financial state due to the pandemic, they would be relieved that the schedule went ahead as it was planned. From a sporting point of view, India is not going to forget this series anytime soon due to the scale of achievements."
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There is always a boost but not sure if they are still cash stringent or not.
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Recent ODI series between Australia and Pakistan has confirmed it
Cricket Australia Faces Attendance Crisis After Disappointing ODI Match at MCG
T20 cricket has captured the hearts of fans, but the ODI format seems to be slipping into the shadows this summer, as highlighted by the staggering turnout for Monday’s one-day international at the
Cricket Australia Faces Attendance Crisis After Disappointing ODI Match at MCG
T20 cricket has captured the hearts of fans, but the ODI format seems to be slipping into the shadows this summer, as highlighted by the staggering turnout for Monday’s one-day international at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG).Only 25,831 supporters turned out for the clash between Australia and Pakistan, despite superstar Pat Cummins showcasing his batting prowess in an exhilarating two-wicket victory. However, the wisdom of scheduling a match on a Monday afternoon comes under scrutiny.
“You wouldn't know this was a home game for the Aussies. Why has cricket lost its spark? There couldn't have been 1,000 Australian fans at this match,” commented one fan on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
Another supporter chimed in harshly, stating, “This ODI at the MCG is doing nothing to ignite interest in the cricket summer. It's an event that feels utterly pointless. This is as dull as it gets in sport.”
A further reflection on the empty stands came from a fan observing the near-empty MCG, stating, “The stadium's virtually vacant even with the millions in town for the Melbourne Cup. It’s a stark indication that cricket is not resonating anymore. It’s an unfortunate reality for Cricket Australia.”
The persistent voice of cricket icon Wasim Akram echoed through the commentary booth as he noted, “There are 27,000 fans here in Melbourne, and it seems like 20,000 of them are backing Pakistan.”
This sentiment was shared by media personality Jason Morrison, who articulated the confusion over scheduling by tweeting, “Something is clearly amiss with Cricket Australia.”
As the T20 Big Bash League continues to draw significant viewership each December and January, the ODI format faces the threat of becoming obsolete if drastic measures aren’t taken to rejuvenate its appeal. While test cricket maintains its loyal following, the upcoming series against India is perfectly timed for a resurgence, offering hope to purists of the game.
The action continues with Australia set to face Pakistan for the second ODI in Adelaide on Friday, November 8, at 2.30pm AEDT, followed by the final match in Perth on Sunday, November 10, also at 2.30pm AEDT.
Additionally, a three-match T20 series featuring these two storied cricket nations is on the horizon, with fixtures scheduled in Brisbane (November 14), Sydney (November 16), and Tasmania (November 18). On November 22, the highly-anticipated first Test against India kicks off, with the first ball bowled at 1.20pm AEDT.
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Nothing can be compared to the Olongo/Miandad series!
Future legends Gwandu-Rizwan series it will be!
Future legends Gwandu-Rizwan series it will be!
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Ashes is the bigger series.
England and Australia build their plans based on the Ashes schedule (2-4 year phases).
England and Australia build their plans based on the Ashes schedule (2-4 year phases).
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It is a standard scehedule. Every two years Home and Away 5 tests each. THey don't do any special schedule. They infact had to play world cup right after Ashes and Nasser hussain gave that as an excuse for England's poor performance in 2023 world cup.
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its not a rivalry. Its a rivalry which Indians try to push down everyone's throats.Rivalry did not start in 2018. . IT has been around for quiet some time. Rivalry happens. You don't artificially create rivalries. Australia vs India rivalry just happened.
This article is from 2008
India renew heart-stopping rivalry with Australia
It's billed as the mother of all cricket battles, greater than the Ashes for many Australians and bigger than any Pakistan rivalry in the eyes of many Indians.www.cricbuzz.com
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chalo jee, IPL is bigger than ODI WC
Rohit Sharma is above World Cup winning Cummins.
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That's what I meant.
They build their squads based on those 2-4 year phases. If any major change is to be made, they time it right after the Ashes to get two years of development before the next one.
This has been the case for decades and shows how important the Ashes as a series is for both sides.
CA plans equal amount of Ashes and BGT. Their plan is to have either Ashes or BGT pretty much every alternate home season. These two series what makes them $$$. The rest are rotated in the non Ashes/BGT home seasons.
Not sure about ECB. Perhaps they do the same with Pataudi - de Mello and the Ashes for their home summer.
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Back in the day then SA series were amazing. I think they were peak test cricket during Smiths era.
Now they aren't the same.
One look at how CA has scheduled it's summer cricket over the last decade or more and what the future schedule is will tell us all we need know. Same goes for ECB.
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Ashes has always been a bigger event but now India vs Australia games are becoming more competitive so in my opinion Border-Gavaskar series is gaining more value.
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This rivalry is only for Indians and Aussies. Not Pakistan fans. If anything English. That's it. You can ignore it instead of denying it as pakistani fans are outsiders in this discussion.
Aussies media's is also said same thing's . I don't take wannabe Aussies fans view seriously.
you forgot to include Pakistani yet wannabe Indian fans who just happen disparage any number of Indian cricketing legends ... lol
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The title for the most ridiculous thread goes to you. CEO of delusion pro max.
Yes i have seen how you was run aways from champions trophy thread when India refused to tour Pakistan for champions trophy .
Dozens of Australian cricketers are comparing Ashes to BGT yet delusion Pakistan fans who dont have anything to do with BGT are crying .lol
Mark Waugh - BGT is bigger than The Ashes
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lol against aussie fans? Can you plz stop speaking for other countries
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When did i run? Do you like going in circles?Yes i have seen how you was run aways from champions trophy thread when India refused to tour Pakistan for champions trophy .
Dozens of Australian cricketers are comparing Ashes to BGT yet delusion Pakistan fans who dont have anything to do with BGT are crying .lol
Mark Waugh - BGT is bigger than The Ashes
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Those many are indians
Yes Mark Waugh, Ponting, Finch, starc etc are Indian .Those many are indians
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Show where they said that,the exact quotesYes Mark Waugh, Ponting, Finch, starc etc are Indian .
Read that tweets link. First sentence " Bigger than Ashes " - Mark Waugh .
Watch the promo of BGT done by 7cricket where ponting was admited .
Finch ,Starcy etc told to Australia local news channel's .
Btw if you have read the full thread than you don't have to ask again .
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Show me the link of articles where they said it. Not just hype it up
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Ashes is bigger as it carries history but BGT is definitely the more entertaining one, two top notch teams fighting it out and competing both home and away.
England's tour to Aus always ends up in them getting mercilessly whipped with some of their players coming close to retirement by the end of the series.
England's tour to Aus always ends up in them getting mercilessly whipped with some of their players coming close to retirement by the end of the series.
Read the full thread ,this is basic rule of any discussion .
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Indian fans will say BGT whereas every Aus fan will say Ashes.
Ask the neutrals which they enjoy more.
Ask the neutrals which they enjoy more.
I'm neutral and for me its BGT.
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I enjoy the BGT more because India has been a competitive team (not sure about this year though). England needs to get its act together as a team and start winning in Australia.
But the Ashes is bigger as a series. The history is unmatched.
history doesn't pay the bills . infact it does not even guarantee high quality cricket as the incredible number of epic encounters over the last 25+ yrs between Ind and Aus can confirm.
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BGT can never beat Ashes in terms of significance, aura, rivalry and history.
However in terms of hype, BGT has slight upper hand from last few years. Which is expected when upsets happen.
Example of Pakistan loosing to Afg, now every match they will play will be overhyped, however if Pak starts to beat them again as usual, no one will even talk about their matches in future until Afg creates any upset and makes things interesting.
However in terms of hype, BGT has slight upper hand from last few years. Which is expected when upsets happen.
Example of Pakistan loosing to Afg, now every match they will play will be overhyped, however if Pak starts to beat them again as usual, no one will even talk about their matches in future until Afg creates any upset and makes things interesting.
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What's a BGT? what's this bgt? Where did this bgt even come from.
Who even cares about this BGT gimmick. It's insignificant without any history.
Who even cares about this BGT gimmick. It's insignificant without any history.
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Ashes is happening for almost 140 years. It has a far bigger legacy than any other cricketing series.
BGT only recently started to be relevant (less than 30 years).
BGT only recently started to be relevant (less than 30 years).
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History of Ashes matters to Eng and Aus sure but it means little to neutral fans; which is why I asked them which series they enjoy more as a spectacle.
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Surely it's the Ashes. We've probably had a couple of decent decades competing against Australia but cmon it's shouldn't even be close.
Ashes is probably not the source for better cricket right now but it's got more pride involved, which is always more important in something as tribal as sports. Either team hates losing more than India or Australia would losing to each other.
At best, I can think of India vs Australia is like City v Real Madrid, where the game has decided who is the best team for that moment(atleast recently) but it doesn't come close to the El Classico in terms of rivalry
Ashes is probably not the source for better cricket right now but it's got more pride involved, which is always more important in something as tribal as sports. Either team hates losing more than India or Australia would losing to each other.
At best, I can think of India vs Australia is like City v Real Madrid, where the game has decided who is the best team for that moment(atleast recently) but it doesn't come close to the El Classico in terms of rivalry
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British Got Talent
here is the reason why :
stats.espncricinfo.com
thats almost 50 yrs of REALLY competitive Test cricket where India has come out way ahead of the REST of the cricketing world when playing against the Aussies.
Team records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
stats.espncricinfo.com
thats almost 50 yrs of REALLY competitive Test cricket where India has come out way ahead of the REST of the cricketing world when playing against the Aussies.
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Now imagine if India looses Test series, this will suddenly become most insignificant series, and probably WI vs India in the likes of Nagpur, Vizag, and Wankhede would beat Ashes by a large extent.
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For Indians its definitely bigger than Ashes and also Aus broadcasters due to $$$, but for worldwide cricket fans Ashes is bbigger
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What I wouldn't be doing is visiting an Indian forum to tell them how successful Pakistan is (let's assume we are still in the Wasim/Waqar era before you jump back with Pakistan is not successful). I reiterate my point: the rivalry with Pakistan is clearly still zinging in your brains if you need to come here to discuss India/Aus rivalries.
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Neutrals are always going to take an interest in the two best sides facing off. So if England are weak, the India/Australia series would be more interesting assuming they are the top 2 sides.
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Please stay on topic
Pakistanis nehi maanenge
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Ponting (Aussie) - move over Eng, India is our biggest rival.
Artherton (Englishman)- BGT has surpassed Ashes series.
Meanwhile Pakistanis, no saar Ashes iz better...phool sapport.
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Ashes - Man U vs Liverpool.
BGT - Man C vs Liverpool
Former have more history, stoke more emotions among the fans.
Latter is just two best teams going head to head with top quality players on each side.
BGT - Man C vs Liverpool
Former have more history, stoke more emotions among the fans.
Latter is just two best teams going head to head with top quality players on each side.
Because most of them are living in own delusion World.Pakistanis nehi maanenge
Ponting (Aussie) - move over Eng, India is our biggest rival.
Artherton (Englishman)- BGT has surpassed Ashes series.
Meanwhile Pakistanis, no saar Ashes iz better...phool sapport.
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Because most of them are living in own delusion World.
But Indian posters are coming to delusion world to post about their own importance...does that make them delusional?
We are discussing with real facts unlike delusion pakistan posters.But Indian posters are coming to delusion world to post about their own importance...does that make them delusional?
But no one care what Pakistan delusion fans are thinking as we have already seen in lots of threads regarding Champion trophy.
@Cpt. Rishwat your favourite Former England skipper Mike Atherton view about BGT comparison with ASHES
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That's a good comparison.
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Try not to bring Pakistan Pakistan every where. Thread is about BGT vs Ashes, stay on that
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For Indian posters, India vs Nepal is bigger then the ashes. No point in listening to most of this lot. Their very few Indian posters who are genuine.
Ashes is bigger then BGT which Indians desperately copied to Shove their relevance vs Aus
Ashes is bigger then BGT which Indians desperately copied to Shove their relevance vs Aus
Read australian forum.a same thread was open by me.
I know how to handle delusion posters.
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I know how to handle delusion posters.Read australian forum.a same thread was open by me.
I know how to handle delusion posters.
By ignoring them and running away with your tail between your legs and crying 24/7. Okay.
I know how to handle delusional posters by running away. Genuis.
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What are the viewership numbers in Australia? Do they watch the Ashes more or BGT matches?
That might be a good indicator from an Australian audience perspective.
That might be a good indicator from an Australian audience perspective.
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