Which series is bigger: The Ashes or the Border-Gavaskar trophy?

[Vikram1989]

BGT is not newbie anymore. It is 38 years old.

It's 28 bro .started in 96

 

[Major]

India won last 4 BGTs. Looks like a failed attempt from you. Try again.

whats a BGT?

 

[emranabbas]

I don't think either Indians or Pakistans can definitively say what is bigger.

The only ones who can judge are the Aussies as they are the participants in both.

Based on recent comments, they seem to be arguing that it's as big as the Ashes, then so be it.

As a fan I have interest in both of them

for Australians its always going to be ashes.

 

[Bhaijaan]

So wait, a series where an indian team tries to survive playing on a bouncy wicket and give pat on the backs each time they are able to survive a day of cricket, is being considered better than the Ashes?

Border-gaskar is like the mohalla tournamnets we used to have

It was too hard surviving the mighty Aussies on our last two tours.

 

[Local.Dada]

Border-gaskar is like the mohalla tournamnets we used to have

Pak should be winning every test in Australia then if Aus tour is as easy as some gully tournament.

Having said that beating Aus in Aus is almost an impossible task and Ind has done it twice back to back. Steve Waugh used to call winning in India as a final frontier for the great Aussie team.

Maybe you need to stop watching gully mohalla matches and start following international cricket

 

[Local.Dada]

I don't think either Indians or Pakistans can definitively say what is bigger.

The only ones who can judge are the Aussies as they are the participants in both.

Based on recent comments, they seem to be arguing that it's as big as the Ashes, then so be it.

As a fan I have interest in both of them

Why do you want to spoil the fun with common sense?

 

[cricketmania22]

Australians who are a party to both would say it’s not even close. It’s Ashes for them.

 

[Local.Dada]

Australians who are a party to both would say it’s not even close. It’s Ashes for them.

Emotional value vs real world value:

Current Indian team will beat the current Pak team 7/10 times in t20, 8/10 in odis and 9/10 in tests. However we still have an emotional attachment and watch these games and are nervous or excited about losses and wins.

Cricket quality wise Ind vs Aus matches have been the best games in the last 10-15 yrs.

Depends on what your preference is.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Australians who are a party to both would say it’s not even close. It’s Ashes for them.

Border-Gavaskar Trophy: ‘It Is Bigger Than The Ashes’ Mark Waugh Makes An BOLD Comment

People live in BC era. Indian crowd outnumber Australian crowd in certain places. last 8 years lot of Indians have moved to Australia. They have overtaken both chinese and new zealanders in terms of migrants to Australia. Only British are ahead of them. People are desperate to play down with zero proof or reality.

This is an English magazine

The new Ashes? How the rivalry between Australia and India is reaching new heights

Attendances and financial returns underpin Cricket Australia’s motivation to elevate this India series and present a blueprint for the future

www.theguardian.com

The new Ashes? How the rivalry between Australia and India is reaching new heights​

Why Australia vs India is Test cricket's premier rivalry

South Africa have been worthy opponents for Australia in recent times, and there have been standout Ashes contests, but one match-up has consistently been the most competitive | ESPN.com

www.espn.com

Why Australia vs India is Test cricket's premier rivalry​

How Australia v India became as big as the Ashes

In terms of both commercial and sporting impact, the Border-Gavaskar Trophy, which begins on Friday, has caught up with rivalry between England and Australia

www.thetimes.com

How Australia v India became as big as the Ashes - Mike Atherton​

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What a pointless thread no one really cares about BGT except for the Indians.

But what they care about most is rivalry with Pakistan otherwise why do they come running here to post about it? Why would Pakistanis care about it?

 

[Major]

Pak should be winning every test in Australia then if Aus tour is as easy as some gully tournament.

Having said that beating Aus in Aus is almost an impossible task and Ind has done it twice back to back. Steve Waugh used to call winning in India as a final frontier for the great Aussie team.

Maybe you need to stop watching gully mohalla matches and start following international cricket

where did Pakistan come from?

thread is about The Ashes and some border gaskar series.

and you have sad it yourself, Ashes a series with 100+ years of history with each side winning is being considered inferior against a bordergaskar series, only because India managed to win 2 series in the last what 20 years? Not even 50 years, but its now above.

Thats how petty you have to be that by winning one series, you start to believe it to be above the Ashes.

Whats next, IPL is above the ODI world cup as thats where India can win back to back?

 

[Local.Dada]

Whats next, IPL is above the ODI world cup as thats where India can win back to back?

Odis are a dying format. Odi wc has sentimental value to me as a cricket fan but in the larger context almost dying.

So realistically as a brand IPL is definitely 20
times more entertaining, better in cricketing quality and financially more valuable than boring odi cricket.

SENA Tests > IPL> WT20 = odi wc > Asia Cup > CT> rest of the garbage bilaterals.

 

[Ab Fan]

Border Gavaskar Trophy is better as it produces more thrilling contests.

England have been 0-13 or something in Australia over last three tours which is embarrassing to say the least.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The Kapil Imran Trophy (KIT) surpasses both the Border-Gavaskar Trophy (BGT) and the Ashes in significance.

 

[starpain]

Whichever series has higher viewership stats in Australia, should be the winner.

Personally it's BGT. Can't take Ashes hype seriously when one team is not even competing against the other. England haven't won a single test in last 15 attempts in Australia.

 

[jnaveen1980]

where did Pakistan come from?

thread is about The Ashes and some border gaskar series.

and you have sad it yourself, Ashes a series with 100+ years of history with each side winning is being considered inferior against a bordergaskar series, only because India managed to win 2 series in the last what 20 years? Not even 50 years, but its now above.

Thats how petty you have to be that by winning one series, you start to believe it to be above the Ashes.

Whats next, IPL is above the ODI world cup as thats where India can win back to back?

Rivalry did not start in 2018. . IT has been around for quiet some time. Rivalry happens. You don't artificially create rivalries. Australia vs India rivalry just happened.

This article is from 2008

India renew heart-stopping rivalry with Australia

It's billed as the mother of all cricket battles, greater than the Ashes for many Australians and bigger than any Pakistan rivalry in the eyes of many Indians.

www.cricbuzz.com

 

[Local.Dada]

But what they care about most is rivalry with Pakistan otherwise why do they come running here to post about it? Why would Pakistanis care about it?

Your life would be empty brother if Indians stop posting and India is not discussed here. Feel free to calculate time spent on writing the same things on same topics you get excited about. We are helping you with alternative view points that you can respond to with the same thing.

 

[Local.Dada]

Keeping BGT aside for a second Men’s Test ranking- No.1 Australia No.2 India. Also last WTC finalists. So the top2 teams in the world clashing.

India had a shock upset vs Nzl at home

Australia had a shock and unexpected upset vs Pak in odi series (not sure if they are killing themselves over it)

Now let’s segue to ODi format

Ind- No1 and Aus No2

Previous WC finalists.

T20 India No1 and Aus No2

India are the current WT20 champions.

On top of that test cricket in Australia is one of the greatest experience for a cricket fan and India is the largest cricket market.

Unless you are blinded with so much irrational dislike it makes total sense to me why this would be the most watched cricketing even till at least the next IPL.

Now is it bigger than Ashes is subjective and I would say it is. To conclude you would have to see the numbers. Let’s get hold of that maybe.

However yes this is bigger than even WT20 and if it helps India won that this year.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Cricket Australia nowadays have additional perks of playing India

This was about 2021 BGT serires in Australia

"Cricket Australia (CA) also released a letter this week to thank the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) for visiting the country and letting this tour go ahead despite the situation of the pandemic. India’s tour of Australia was crucial for CA as it was going to help them to get a financial boost. The series across different formats will reportedly fetch them 300 million Australian dollars in revenue. Considering CA was in a precarious financial state due to the pandemic, they would be relieved that the schedule went ahead as it was planned. From a sporting point of view, India is not going to forget this series anytime soon due to the scale of achievements."

 

[cricketmania22]

Cricket Australia nowadays have additional perks of playing India

This was about 2021 BGT serires in Australia

"Cricket Australia (CA) also released a letter this week to thank the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) for visiting the country and letting this tour go ahead despite the situation of the pandemic. India’s tour of Australia was crucial for CA as it was going to help them to get a financial boost. The series across different formats will reportedly fetch them 300 million Australian dollars in revenue. Considering CA was in a precarious financial state due to the pandemic, they would be relieved that the schedule went ahead as it was planned. From a sporting point of view, India is not going to forget this series anytime soon due to the scale of achievements."

There is always a boost but not sure if they are still cash stringent or not.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Odis are a dying format. Odi wc has sentimental value to me as a cricket fan but in the larger context almost dying.

So realistically as a brand IPL is definitely 20
times more entertaining, better in cricketing quality and financially more valuable than boring odi cricket.

SENA Tests > IPL> WT20 = odi wc > Asia Cup > CT> rest of the garbage bilaterals.

Recent ODI series between Australia and Pakistan has confirmed it

Cricket Australia Faces Attendance Crisis After Disappointing ODI Match at MCG

T20 cricket has captured the hearts of fans, but the ODI format seems to be slipping into the shadows this summer, as highlighted by the staggering turnout for Monday’s one-day international at the

www.footboom1.com

Cricket Australia Faces Attendance Crisis After Disappointing ODI Match at MCG​

T20 cricket has captured the hearts of fans, but the ODI format seems to be slipping into the shadows this summer, as highlighted by the staggering turnout for Monday’s one-day international at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG).

Only 25,831 supporters turned out for the clash between Australia and Pakistan, despite superstar Pat Cummins showcasing his batting prowess in an exhilarating two-wicket victory. However, the wisdom of scheduling a match on a Monday afternoon comes under scrutiny.

“You wouldn't know this was a home game for the Aussies. Why has cricket lost its spark? There couldn't have been 1,000 Australian fans at this match,” commented one fan on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

Another supporter chimed in harshly, stating, “This ODI at the MCG is doing nothing to ignite interest in the cricket summer. It's an event that feels utterly pointless. This is as dull as it gets in sport.”

A further reflection on the empty stands came from a fan observing the near-empty MCG, stating, “The stadium's virtually vacant even with the millions in town for the Melbourne Cup. It’s a stark indication that cricket is not resonating anymore. It’s an unfortunate reality for Cricket Australia.”

The persistent voice of cricket icon Wasim Akram echoed through the commentary booth as he noted, “There are 27,000 fans here in Melbourne, and it seems like 20,000 of them are backing Pakistan.”

This sentiment was shared by media personality Jason Morrison, who articulated the confusion over scheduling by tweeting, “Something is clearly amiss with Cricket Australia.”

As the T20 Big Bash League continues to draw significant viewership each December and January, the ODI format faces the threat of becoming obsolete if drastic measures aren’t taken to rejuvenate its appeal. While test cricket maintains its loyal following, the upcoming series against India is perfectly timed for a resurgence, offering hope to purists of the game.

The action continues with Australia set to face Pakistan for the second ODI in Adelaide on Friday, November 8, at 2.30pm AEDT, followed by the final match in Perth on Sunday, November 10, also at 2.30pm AEDT.

Additionally, a three-match T20 series featuring these two storied cricket nations is on the horizon, with fixtures scheduled in Brisbane (November 14), Sydney (November 16), and Tasmania (November 18). On November 22, the highly-anticipated first Test against India kicks off, with the first ball bowled at 1.20pm AEDT.

 

[Rana]

Nothing can be compared to the Olongo/Miandad series!

Future legends Gwandu-Rizwan series it will be!

 

[kingusama92]

Ashes is the bigger series.

England and Australia build their plans based on the Ashes schedule (2-4 year phases).

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ashes is the bigger series.

England and Australia build their plans based on the Ashes schedule (2-4 year phases).

It is a standard scehedule. Every two years Home and Away 5 tests each. THey don't do any special schedule. They infact had to play world cup right after Ashes and Nasser hussain gave that as an excuse for England's poor performance in 2023 world cup.

 

[Major]

Rivalry did not start in 2018. . IT has been around for quiet some time. Rivalry happens. You don't artificially create rivalries. Australia vs India rivalry just happened.

This article is from 2008

India renew heart-stopping rivalry with Australia

It's billed as the mother of all cricket battles, greater than the Ashes for many Australians and bigger than any Pakistan rivalry in the eyes of many Indians.

www.cricbuzz.com

its not a rivalry. Its a rivalry which Indians try to push down everyone's throats.

 

[Major]

Odis are a dying format. Odi wc has sentimental value to me as a cricket fan but in the larger context almost dying.

So realistically as a brand IPL is definitely 20
times more entertaining, better in cricketing quality and financially more valuable than boring odi cricket.

SENA Tests > IPL> WT20 = odi wc > Asia Cup > CT> rest of the garbage bilaterals.

chalo jee, IPL is bigger than ODI WC
Rohit Sharma is above World Cup winning Cummins.

 

[kingusama92]

It is a standard scehedule. Every two years Home and Away 5 tests each. THey don't do any special schedule. They infact had to play world cup right after Ashes and Nasser hussain gave that as an excuse for England's poor performance in 2023 world cup.

That's what I meant.

They build their squads based on those 2-4 year phases. If any major change is to be made, they time it right after the Ashes to get two years of development before the next one.

This has been the case for decades and shows how important the Ashes as a series is for both sides.

 

[U$ofA]

Ashes is the bigger series.

England and Australia build their plans based on the Ashes schedule (2-4 year phases).

CA plans equal amount of Ashes and BGT. Their plan is to have either Ashes or BGT pretty much every alternate home season. These two series what makes them $$$. The rest are rotated in the non Ashes/BGT home seasons.

Not sure about ECB. Perhaps they do the same with Pataudi - de Mello and the Ashes for their home summer.

 

[Hawkeye]

1. Ashes
2. SA vs Aus Test matches
3. BGT

As simple as that. SA matches in Australia are far more competitive than BGT ones usually, but have more history too.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

1. Ashes
2. SA vs Aus Test matches
3. BGT

As simple as that. SA matches in Australia are far more competitive than BGT ones usually, but have more history too.

Back in the day then SA series were amazing. I think they were peak test cricket during Smiths era.

Now they aren't the same.

 

[U$ofA]

1. Ashes
2. SA vs Aus Test matches
3. BGT

As simple as that. SA matches in Australia are far more competitive than BGT ones usually, but have more history too.

One look at how CA has scheduled it's summer cricket over the last decade or more and what the future schedule is will tell us all we need know. Same goes for ECB.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Ashes has always been a bigger event but now India vs Australia games are becoming more competitive so in my opinion Border-Gavaskar series is gaining more value.

 

[jnaveen1980]

its not a rivalry. Its a rivalry which Indians try to push down everyone's throats.

This rivalry is only for Indians and Aussies. Not Pakistan fans. If anything English. That's it. You can ignore it instead of denying it as pakistani fans are outsiders in this discussion.

 

[Devadwal]

its not a rivalry. Its a rivalry which Indians try to push down everyone's throats.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1859240876146340206

 

[uppercut]

Aussies media's is also said same thing's . I don't take wannabe Aussies fans view seriously.

you forgot to include Pakistani yet wannabe Indian fans who just happen disparage any number of Indian cricketing legends ... lol

 

[Slim]

The Ashes has bigger legacy than border Gavaskar trophy no question about that.

But from last decade or this century the quality of cricket in BGT were better than The Ashes

Ashes is only competitive in england but in australia it is one sided affairs in favour of Aussies .

The title for the most ridiculous thread goes to you. CEO of delusion pro max.

 

[Devadwal]

The title for the most ridiculous thread goes to you. CEO of delusion pro max.

Yes i have seen how you was run aways from champions trophy thread when India refused to tour Pakistan for champions trophy .

Dozens of Australian cricketers are comparing Ashes to BGT yet delusion Pakistan fans who dont have anything to do with BGT are crying .lol

Mark Waugh - BGT is bigger than The Ashes

 

[Major]

This rivalry is only for Indians and Aussies. Not Pakistan fans. If anything English. That's it. You can ignore it instead of denying it as pakistani fans are outsiders in this discussion.

lol against aussie fans? Can you plz stop speaking for other countries

 

[Slim]

Yes i have seen how you was run aways from champions trophy thread when India refused to tour Pakistan for champions trophy .

Dozens of Australian cricketers are comparing Ashes to BGT yet delusion Pakistan fans who dont have anything to do with BGT are crying .lol

Mark Waugh - BGT is bigger than The Ashes

When did i run? Do you like going in circles?

 

[emranabbas]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1859240876146340206

Those many are indians

 

[Devadwal]

Those many are indians

Yes Mark Waugh, Ponting, Finch, starc etc are Indian .

 

[emranabbas]

Yes Mark Waugh, Ponting, Finch, starc etc are Indian .

Show where they said that,the exact quotes

 

[Devadwal]

Show where they said that,the exact quotes

Read that tweets link. First sentence " Bigger than Ashes " - Mark Waugh .

Watch the promo of BGT done by 7cricket where ponting was admited .

Finch ,Starcy etc told to Australia local news channel's .

Btw if you have read the full thread than you don't have to ask again .

 

[emranabbas]

Read that tweets link. First sentence " Bigger than Ashes " - Mark Waugh .

Watch the promo of BGT done by 7cricket where ponting was admited .

Finch ,Starcy etc told to Australia local news channel's .

Btw if you have read the full thread than you don't have to ask again .

Show me the link of articles where they said it. Not just hype it up

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Ashes is bigger as it carries history but BGT is definitely the more entertaining one, two top notch teams fighting it out and competing both home and away.
England's tour to Aus always ends up in them getting mercilessly whipped with some of their players coming close to retirement by the end of the series.

 

[Devadwal]

Show me the link of articles where they said it. Not just hype it up

Read the full thread ,this is basic rule of any discussion .

 

[RexRex]

Indian fans will say BGT whereas every Aus fan will say Ashes.

Ask the neutrals which they enjoy more.

 

[moghul]

I can't wait for BGT to begin and watch. More is at stake in BGT than ashes, overall . For a traditional cricket follower like me Ashes is also a big cricketing even but at the level of BGT , for me .

 

[moghul]

Indian fans will say BGT whereas every Aus fan will say Ashes.

Ask the neutrals which they enjoy more.

I'm neutral and for me its BGT.

 

[kingusama92]

Indian fans will say BGT whereas every Aus fan will say Ashes.

Ask the neutrals which they enjoy more.

I enjoy the BGT more because India has been a competitive team (not sure about this year though). England needs to get its act together as a team and start winning in Australia.

But the Ashes is bigger as a series. The history is unmatched.

 

[uppercut]

But the Ashes is bigger as a series. The history is unmatched.

history doesn't pay the bills . infact it does not even guarantee high quality cricket as the incredible number of epic encounters over the last 25+ yrs between Ind and Aus can confirm.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

BGT can never beat Ashes in terms of significance, aura, rivalry and history.

However in terms of hype, BGT has slight upper hand from last few years. Which is expected when upsets happen.

Example of Pakistan loosing to Afg, now every match they will play will be overhyped, however if Pak starts to beat them again as usual, no one will even talk about their matches in future until Afg creates any upset and makes things interesting.

 

[followed]

What's a BGT? what's this bgt? Where did this bgt even come from.
Who even cares about this BGT gimmick. It's insignificant without any history.

 

[sweep_shot]

Ashes is happening for almost 140 years. It has a far bigger legacy than any other cricketing series.

BGT only recently started to be relevant (less than 30 years).

 

[RexRex]

What's a BGT? what's this bgt? Where did this bgt even come from.
Who even cares about this BGT gimmick. It's insignificant without any history.

History of Ashes matters to Eng and Aus sure but it means little to neutral fans; which is why I asked them which series they enjoy more as a spectacle.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Surely it's the Ashes. We've probably had a couple of decent decades competing against Australia but cmon it's shouldn't even be close.

Ashes is probably not the source for better cricket right now but it's got more pride involved, which is always more important in something as tribal as sports. Either team hates losing more than India or Australia would losing to each other.

At best, I can think of India vs Australia is like City v Real Madrid, where the game has decided who is the best team for that moment(atleast recently) but it doesn't come close to the El Classico in terms of rivalry

 

[jnaveen1980]

What's a BGT? what's this bgt? Where did this bgt even come from.
Who even cares about this BGT gimmick. It's insignificant without any history.

British Got Talent

 

[uppercut]

here is the reason why :

Team records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

thats almost 50 yrs of REALLY competitive Test cricket where India has come out way ahead of the REST of the cricketing world when playing against the Aussies.

 

[Devadwal]

British Got Talent

Should have tagged @Major also because he was asking same question.

 

[mango_bite77]

Now imagine if India looses Test series, this will suddenly become most insignificant series, and probably WI vs India in the likes of Nagpur, Vizag, and Wankhede would beat Ashes by a large extent.