Which series is bigger: The Ashes or the Border-Gavaskar trophy?

[jnaveen1980]

You're trying too hard bro, it's not that deep if Aus V India rivalry isn't as deep as the Ashes.

You are confusing rivalry and competitiveness. Australia is competitive against everyone. That is why they have achieved more than others. Very similar to India vs Pakistan. India takes every game seriously, not just Pakistan, which devotes a whole lot more energy against India than against others. That is why India and Australia had such a terrific W/L ratio in ICC ODI events in the last 30 years. India vs Australia is good because they both are similar in terms of competitiveness, except Australia is physically and athletically a lot better. They have an edge. Mentally, Australia and India are not dissimilar. Let Ashes be the pinnacle. Let us give them that. But i say India vs Australia >>> India vs Pakistan.

 

[jnaveen1980]

im not talking about the players, im talking about the cultural similarity of the fans, are you saying the average indian fan is culturally closer to aussie fans than aussies are to the english?

indian fans, in my experience, are the most culturally removed from every other team, ive never come across a group of supporters who feel entitled to other fans acknowledging their cricketers as much as indians do. ive watched cricket with english, aussie, saffer, kiwis, etc, indian fans are the only ones who cannot hold a conversation about cricket without comparing someone to kohli, dhoni or tendu.

also swearing at people does not imply cultural closeness, the ability to rib and take the mick without having to resort to that does.

Where are fans coming here? India is a massivel populated country. How can you compare a 20 million population country with India. I am talking about cricketers and their interactions. In India even people vary from state to state. INdia is linguistically, culturally varied even within India. Obviously you are going to see different kind of people. North, South, West, East they all behave differntly. Broadbrushing INdians is one of the naivest thing anyone can do.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Another dull Ashes with England getting smashed as usual. Yawn

 

[Ball Blazer]

Even if England are being thrashed in one-sided contests, Ashes and BGT still have no comparison.

Only thrilling matches do not decide that which series has an edge

 

[NishanKonar]

Indians need to stop getting touchy about such trivial things

Nobody in Australia cares about what u guys think abt Ashes rivalry. They literally dont care

Lets Australia & England have their Ashes. Its actually good for the game. Ashes keeps them financially solvent

 

[NishanKonar]

You are confusing rivalry and competitiveness. Australia is competitive against everyone. That is why they have achieved more than others. Very similar to India vs Pakistan. India takes every game seriously, not just Pakistan, which devotes a whole lot more energy against India than against others. That is why India and Australia had such a terrific W/L ratio in ICC ODI events in the last 30 years. India vs Australia is good because they both are similar in terms of competitiveness, except Australia is physically and athletically a lot better. They have an edge. Mentally, Australia and India are not dissimilar. Let Ashes be the pinnacle. Let us give them that. But i say India vs Australia >>> India vs Pakistan.

U know India can lose every series to Australia and nobody will care

But India loses to Pakistan heads will roll

 

[Devadwal]

U know India can lose every series to Australia and nobody will care

But India loses to Pakistan heads will roll

Completely false. Perhaps this applies only to those who aren't cricket fans, but watch India-Pakistan matches solely for the political rivalry.

 

[Devadwal]

Even if England are being thrashed in one-sided contests, Ashes and BGT still have no comparison.

Only thrilling matches do not decide that which series has an edge

Australia and the West Indies once had a fierce rivalry, but why has it gradually dwindled to just two-match series?

Answer is due to the West Indies' performance.

 

[jnaveen1980]

U know India can lose every series to Australia and nobody will care

But India loses to Pakistan heads will roll

They cared enough to oust 3 seniors. Gone are the days fans lose their minds only when they lose to Pakistan. Beating pakistan hardly gives any joy as you ar eexpected to beat them. Every loss of India is scrutinized be it is against NZ or SA. Fans are not hung up on encounters against pakistan. They did lose their mind after 2022 semi final loss, 2019 semi final loss, 2023 final loss

 

[jnaveen1980]

Right now it gives Aussies opportunity to abuse English guys. Nasser and Athers have to take earful of expletives from Aussie fans. They have a long summer ahead in Australia. It is going to get worse for them. England is keeping the rivalry alive by repeatedly talking about 2005 Ashes.

 

[NishanKonar]

Completely false. Perhaps this applies only to those who aren't cricket fans, but watch India-Pakistan matches solely for the political rivalry.

Thats about 90% of Indian cricket fans

 

[NishanKonar]

They cared enough to oust 3 seniors. Gone are the days fans lose their minds only when they lose to Pakistan. Beating pakistan hardly gives any joy as you ar eexpected to beat them. Every loss of India is scrutinized be it is against NZ or SA. Fans are not hung up on encounters against pakistan. They did lose their mind after 2022 semi final loss, 2019 semi final loss, 2023 final loss

They wer dropped bcoz they wer underperforming for a long time & lost badly at home as well

 

[NishanKonar]

Australia and the West Indies once had a fierce rivalry, but why has it gradually dwindled to just two-match series?

Answer is due to the West Indies' performance.

Yes but that wont happen with Ashes even if they lose 5-0 repeatedly

In fact wont happen with BGT as well but thats bcoz of India's tv rights market. Else if India start losing 5-0 it will also get downgraded to 3 test series

 

[NishanKonar]

Indians have got no nuance whether fans or players.

When it came to Aussies they escalated way to quickly and dished out racist comments to Symonds and then committed perjury to get our of it.

And off the field they threatened recently to rape Maxwell's kid.

Weird bunch.

When it comes to rivalry in cricket the main rival or India is decency. They have been going head to head with decency and ethics for a long time in cricket and often come up trumps, much to the detriment of the rest of us.

To be fair Pakistani fans are no better. The only reason they sound humble now is bcoz their team is so trash - so they have no choice

 

[Devadwal]

Thats about 90% of Indian cricket fans

Those are not cricket fans but watch match due to India - Pakistan dushmani.

We are Cricket fans who talk evrything about cricket beyond Indian cricket team.

 

[Devadwal]

Indians have got no nuance whether fans or players.

When it came to Aussies they escalated way to quickly and dished out racist comments to Symonds and then committed perjury to get our of it.

And off the field they threatened recently to rape Maxwell's kid.

Weird bunch.

When it comes to rivalry in cricket the main rival or India is decency. They have been going head to head with decency and ethics for a long time in cricket and often come up trumps, much to the detriment of the rest of us.

Pakistan fans are still celebrating 152-0 because they don't win anything after that against India.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pakistan fans are still celebrating 152-0 because they don't win anything after that against India.

Our fans and commentators etc are not gret either but we are not as big in numbers as India or as influential in ICC to ruin things like you guys.

 

[Devadwal]

Our fans and commentators etc are not gret either but we are not as big in numbers as India or as influential in ICC to ruin things like you guys.

Because we earned it by Hard works and strong system

Why everyone's are talking about BGT comparison with Ashes? Why not Pakistan - Australia series?

Because our team has performed better than anyone else.

 

[NishanKonar]

Those are not cricket fans but watch match due to India - Pakistan dushmani.

We are Cricket fans who talk evrything about cricket beyond Indian cricket team.

No u are not. U watch cricket just to troll others. True for 90% of cricket fans in India & Pakistan

Australians are genuine sports lovers

 

[Devadwal]

No u are not. U watch cricket just to troll others. True for 90% of cricket fans in India & Pakistan

Australians are genuine sports lovers

That's your opinion which is again not true at all .

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Because we earned it by Hard works and strong system

Why everyone's are talking about BGT comparison with Ashes? Why not Pakistan - Australia series?

Because our team has performed better than anyone else.

Pakistan is a weak team at the moment. There is no Pak v Aus rivalry attempts fabricated by Pakistani fans because we know there isn't anything.

At one point we had a rivalry developing with England that could be comparable but it got too overheated at times.

This BGT rivalry has terrific onfield cricket but off field is very much manufactured. The best series I've seen were the Aussie South African duels but they didn't make too much money and so died away once Saffers team dipped.

Aussies have learned their lesson and milked BGT while they can. That's why they produce phatta pitch, make newspapers in Hindi and happy to let Indians fill the stadium and for you guys to jump about online.

They make the big bucks from patriotic Indians and then switch on for the real thing the Ashes.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

To be fair Pakistani fans are no better. The only reason they sound humble now is bcoz their team is so trash - so they have no choice

I don't think we are a huge amount better.

You can see the way the discussion is going around banning Afghan players for example.

When off field sport issues becomes vehicle for grudges and diplomacy then it will often take a bitter turn.

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan is a weak team at the moment. There is no Pak v Aus rivalry attempts fabricated by Pakistani fans because we know there isn't anything.

At one point we had a rivalry developing with England that could be comparable but it got too overheated at times.

This BGT rivalry has terrific onfield cricket but off field is very much manufactured. The best series I've seen were the Aussie South African duels but they didn't make too much money and so died away once Saffers team dipped.

Aussies have learned their lesson and milked BGT while they can. That's why they produce phatta pitch, make newspapers in Hindi and happy to let Indians fill the stadium and for you guys to jump about online.

They make the big bucks from patriotic Indians and then switch on for the real thing the Ashes.

Did you watch the Perth test or even Sydney test in last BGT series ? Lol

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pakistan is a weak team at the moment. There is no Pak v Aus rivalry attempts fabricated by Pakistani fans because we know there isn't anything.

At one point we had a rivalry developing with England that could be comparable but it got too overheated at times.

This BGT rivalry has terrific onfield cricket but off field is very much manufactured. The best series I've seen were the Aussie South African duels but they didn't make too much money and so died away once Saffers team dipped.

Aussies have learned their lesson and milked BGT while they can. That's why they produce phatta pitch, make newspapers in Hindi and happy to let Indians fill the stadium and for you guys to jump about online.

They make the big bucks from patriotic Indians and then switch on for the real thing the Ashes.

Case in point, look at how they are trying to milk the Pakistani fans right now with Babar Azam signing in BBL.

We will never have a rivalry with anyone else bar India, regardless of how weak or strong we are. Just not bothered enough, while Indians have this innate desire to insert themselves into anything and everything not related to them.

 

[NishanKonar]

I don't think we are a huge amount better.

You can see the way the discussion is going around banning Afghan players for example.

When off field sport issues becomes vehicle for grudges and diplomacy then it will often take a bitter turn.

We dont have a sporting culture. We watch sports like we watch Big Boss or Bollywood movies. Its bcoz our love for drama & masala.

Australia has a proper sports culture. They love sports in the real sense.

For Indians & Pakistanis its a d!ck measuring contest

 

[Varun]

Both are different rivalries.

The Australia - England rivalry is based on England getting thrashed. If it's competitive, the rivalry won't be as good.

The India - Australia rivalry is based on a competitive series home or away. If it's a whitewash every time, the rivalry won't be as good.

 

[NishanKonar]

We dont have a sporting culture. We watch sports like we watch Big Boss or Bollywood movies. Its bcoz our love for drama & masala.

Australia has a proper sports culture. They love sports in the real sense.

For Indians & Pakistanis its a d!ck measuring contest

Its not just abt fans. Even ex cricketers are no different. Look at Sehwag , Afridi , Irfan Pathan , Razzak , Yousuf , Gambhir go at each other

 

[NishanKonar]

Case in point, look at how they are trying to milk the Pakistani fans right now with Babar Azam signing in BBL.

We will never have a rivalry with anyone else bar India, regardless of how weak or strong we are. Just not bothered enough, while Indians have this innate desire to insert themselves into anything and everything not related to them.

Goras are smart. They know brown people crave white validation and they happily provide it. Now u will see BBL commentators hyping Babar Azam & his crazed fans wud post those clips on twitter / tik tok

Like how Shaheen's " they cant play him " went viral bcoz it came from an Englishman. Nobody wud have cared if it came from Ramiz Raja or Harsha Bhogle

These guys did not rule us for 200 years just like that

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Its not just abt fans. Even ex cricketers are no different. Look at Sehwag , Afridi , Irfan Pathan , Razzak , Yousuf , Gambhir go at each other

They behave like this mainly because of fans expectations.

Forget even India V Pakistan.

Our pundits find a way to find conspiracy to justify us losing sometimes because our public can't accept we are maybe not that good anymore.

And your side has players like Gavaskar talking about how BCCI subsidised CSA and because of Indian money despite Shukri Conrad's comment is basically Saffers that grovel.

And this gets heightened in India Pakistan. Commentator or ex player can't even risk smiling or he could be seen as traitor.

Contrast to Ashes, legends of the game are able to speak freely, laugh and joke around because they know it's just cricket.

 

[NishanKonar]

They behave like this mainly because of fans expectations.

Forget even India V Pakistan.

Our pundits find a way to find conspiracy to justify us losing sometimes because our public can't accept we are maybe not that good anymore.

And your side has players like Gavaskar talking about how BCCI subsidised CSA and because of Indian money despite Shukri Conrad's comment is basically Saffers that grovel.

And this gets heightened in India Pakistan. Commentator or ex player can't even risk smiling or he could be seen as traitor.

Contrast to Ashes, legends of the game are able to speak freely, laugh and joke around because they know it's just cricket.

Gavaskar Shastri Ramiz Imran Miandad saw cricket as war. So they get hyper nationalist

I think Kapil was the chill guy. Rarely see him get agitated. Even Wasim Akram as well

 

[Sachin fan]

Indians need to stop getting touchy about such trivial things

Nobody in Australia cares about what u guys think abt Ashes rivalry. They literally dont give a f%₹

Lets Australia & England have their Ashes. Its actually good for the game. Ashes keeps them financially solvent

Discussing things politely is not being touchy. And you are not a representative of Australia either.

If you have something to contribute to the actual discussion do so, instead of writing attention seeking immature posts and trying to act as representatives of others.

It doesn't make you look clever or add more substance to your posts.

Many people from both sides have made good discussion points on this thread.

 

[bk19xsa]

Ashes is the Test cricket rivalry of the ages. Nothing beats it.

Rivalry is when almost everyone including ex players, pundits and most importantly fans from both sides are involved in the rivalry.

No other Test series has that.

 

[Usman Chadda]

The Ashes rivalry has survived for so long, no other rivalry (besides the one based on political enmity) can over take it.

England have been garbage for major periods of this rivalry, while Australia has claims to be the greatest team in this sport.

In the same way, India-Pakistan can never be brushed aside as a rivalry no matter how close to minnow status Pakistan gets.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Pakistan fans are still celebrating 152-0 because they don't win anything after that against India.

When we win, we win like this that cricket world remembers thrashing forever.

 

[Bhaijaan]

As per Australian cricket analyst Jarod Kimber, India vs Australia is already Australia’s #1 cricket event ahead of the CWC, Aus vs South Africa and Ashes being a distant #4

 

[Devadwal]

When we win, we win like this that cricket world remembers thrashing forever.

A win here and there and it's called Fluke win

 

[NishanKonar]

As per Australian cricket analyst Jarod Kimber, India vs Australia is already Australia’s #1 cricket event ahead of the CWC, Aus vs South Africa and Ashes being a distant #4

Another gora who knows how to butter up his brown audiences

 

[Devadwal]

Discussing things politely is not being touchy. And you are not a representative of Australia either.

If you have something to contribute to the actual discussion do so, instead of writing attention seeking immature posts and trying to act as representatives of others.

It doesn't make you look clever or add more substance to your posts.

Many people from both sides have made good discussion points on this thread.

When India lost the world cup 2023 - the biggest heartbroken ssy od this century for Indian fans .

I was here to support the team india when Pakistan fans trolling and abusing Indians players / fans but people' like @NishanKonar logout and run away from These situation but now talking about trolling lol.

 

[Independent Observer]

Nobody in Australia cares about what u guys think abt Ashes rivalry. They literally dont care

This pretty much lines up with what I have observed on the gora cricket forums and to be honest, why would they even care about what any non-English/non-Australian thinks about the Ashes rivalry in the first place? The current Ashes series is already breaking attendance/tv/streaming records left, right and centre over there in Australia which speaks volumes.

 

[NishanKonar]

This pretty much lines up with what I have observed on the gora cricket forums and to be honest, why would they even care about what any non-English/non-Australian thinks about the Ashes rivalry in the first place? The current Ashes series is already breaking attendance/tv/streaming records left, right and centre over there in Australia which speaks volumes.

I remember a tv show where a England football fan was talking passionately about England - Germany football rivalry. The German fan on the show was surprised - he was like we Germans dont see any rivalry with England. This England Germany football rivalry is largely a English thing. The average German fan does not care. For them Holland is the biggest rival

Its the same with BGT. Indians can keep kanging but average Aussie fan dont care. For him only Ashes matter

 

[Obaidd]

Ind visiting Aus lately has been more entertaining than Eng visiting Aus.

Does that make BGT bigger than Ashes? No. Are Ind the best tourers of Aus? Yes.

 

[RexRex]

Its the same with BGT. Indians can keep kanging but average Aussie fan dont care. For him only Ashes matter

This is true.

However .. this slightly contradicts what you said earlier in this thread about Aus being a sporting culture that is not interested in d-measuring contests like indian fans. If it were a sporting culture, Aussie fans would value the BGT more given the recent competitive history .. but they don't. Culture takes precedence over sporting excellence.

 

[sweep_shot]

If you ask me, both have lost shine. India may lose 0-5 too if they play there now.

Ashes at least has a legacy that goes back to 19th century. BGT is pretty new relatively.

 

[sweep_shot]

Ind visiting Aus lately has been more entertaining than Eng visiting Aus.

Does that make BGT bigger than Ashes? No. Are Ind the best tourers of Aus? Yes.

That may change now. Kohli, Rohit, Pujara, and Ashwin have already retired.

Once chucker Bumrah and Siraj retire, I expect them to lose 0-5 in Australia regularly.

Not just away tours. I expect them to lose even home series regularly.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India vs Australia rivalry has its own unique space. That is why 3 tests became 4 test series then 5 test series. It doesn't have to compete with Ashes.

But Ashes offers you something different. It give them opprotunity to troll each other, abuse each other, giving hell to each other. Aussie pundits were livid when barmy army decided to boo Steve smith when England was about to lose. THey didn't hold back when they talked about Barmy ARmy fans. 90% of the Ashes hype is due to off field shenanigans. Onfield shenanigans are pretty lame generally. The one spat between Archer and SMith was an example Not smith's fault. But the fact that Archer chose that moment to sledge smith was comical. Aussies are reasonably quiet about Ashes in the commentary box. It is the English taht keeps yapping all the time talking about how great 2005 series was, how great their modern day cricketers are. Then that bairstow incident Under Cummins Australia is a very gentlemanly team. They rarely sledge or show aggression. They are pretty decent most of the time.

English commies sometimes go overboard like Kevin pietersen suggested Lyon decided to get hit on head so that concussion sub could be used. That didn't go well given the phil hughes incident. Almost all the external hype comes from English commies.

 

[Devadwal]

That may change now. Kohli, Rohit, Pujara, and Ashwin have already retired.

Once chucker Bumrah and Siraj retire, I expect them to lose 0-5 in Australia regularly.

Not just away tours. I expect them to lose even home series regularly.

India drew 2-2 in England without Rohit, Kohli, pujara etc. Same result Australia had in England in The last tour. .lol

 

[Devadwal]

I remember a tv show where a England football fan was talking passionately about England - Germany football rivalry. The German fan on the show was surprised - he was like we Germans dont see any rivalry with England. This England Germany football rivalry is largely a English thing. The average German fan does not care. For them Holland is the biggest rival

Its the same with BGT. Indians can keep kanging but average Aussie fan dont care. For him only Ashes matter

Yet stadium were full House during BGT but yea no one care. Lol

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ashes rivalry will be dead but for ENglish commies and journalists. Look at the first line of a guardian journalist seriously. They were waiting for 842 days just for this?

If it feels like the buildup to this Ashes series has lasted 842 days that is because it pretty much has.

 

[NishanKonar]

This is true.

However .. this slightly contradicts what you said earlier in this thread about Aus being a sporting culture that is not interested in d-measuring contests like indian fans. If it were a sporting culture, Aussie fans would value the BGT more given the recent competitive history .. but they don't. Culture takes precedence over sporting excellence.

Aussies appreciate good cricket. They loved the West Indies in the 70s & 80s - especially Viv Richards

They loved Flintoff & KP , Sachin & Lara , Kohli & Michael Vaughan. Everyone who performed against them got a great reception down under

Thats a sign of great sporting culture

But when it comes to rivalry - Ashes trumps all due to history & culture

 

[NishanKonar]

Yet stadium were full House during BGT but yea no one care. Lol

Most test venues in Australia has full houses. Test cricket is important part of Australuan culture

While in India we have empty stands for recent test series against South Africa

 

[gibsyhesperis]

I can't speak for the Australians but the entire English cricket set-up revolves around the Ashes.
Winning the world Cup under Morgan pales into insignificance vs the importance given to the Ashes by English cricket fans.
It extends to embarrassing levels amongst the pundits and ex-players ie Swann describing the Test series vs India in England last year as a "warm-up" for the Ashes, Agnew's inane discourses on the radio.

Cricket seldom penetrates the national discourse in the UK anymore (everything is about football) but the Ashes does once every two years occasionally give some attention to cricket here.

 

[Devadwal]

Most test venues in Australia has full houses. Test cricket is important part of Australuan culture

While in India we have empty stands for recent test series against South Africa

Because of BCCI pathetic attitude . There should be 5-7 fixed test venues instead 20+

 

[jnaveen1980]

Most test venues in Australia has full houses. Test cricket is important part of Australuan culture

While in India we have empty stands for recent test series against South Africa

Record 40000 Barmy Army fans went to Australia for this Ashes this time. I very much doubt that many Australians going to England to watch Ashes. Ofcourse lot of Indian fans will turn Australian fans during Ashes. Plus this fancy dressing is a tradition that is unique in Austalia. So vibe is incredible. Definitely test matches are fun to watch in Australia.

 

[NishanKonar]

Record 40000 Barmy Army fans went to Australia for this Ashes this time. I very much doubt that many Australians going to England to watch Ashes. Ofcourse lot of Indian fans will turn Australian fans during Ashes. Plus this fancy dressing is a tradition that is unique in Austalia. So vibe is incredible. Definitely test matches are fun to watch in Australia.

Barmy Army is unique to England. Its not just cricket. England fans travel for Fifa WC or UCL away games.

Like Real Madrid play Man City this week in UCL. U will see thousands of Man City fans travelling to Madrid

 

[NishanKonar]

I can't speak for the Australians but the entire English cricket set-up revolves around the Ashes.
Winning the world Cup under Morgan pales into insignificance vs the importance given to the Ashes by English cricket fans.
It extends to embarrassing levels amongst the pundits and ex-players ie Swann describing the Test series vs India in England last year as a "warm-up" for the Ashes, Agnew's inane discourses on the radio.

Cricket seldom penetrates the national discourse in the UK anymore (everything is about football) but the Ashes does once every two years occasionally give some attention to cricket here.

My sister lives in Sydney. On 20th Nov 2023 she went to her office & found most of her colleagues had no idea that Australia won the WC. They came to know only after reading morning newspapers

 

[RexRex]

They loved Flintoff & KP , Sachin & Lara , Kohli & Michael Vaughan. Everyone who performed against them got a great reception down under

Thats a sign of great sporting culture

Great reception in what sense ? All those folks you mentioned above would get mobbed in the streets in India for an autograph.

 

[NishanKonar]

Great reception in what sense ? All those folks you mentioned above would get mobbed in the streets in India for an autograph.

Indians are obsessed with celebrity worship. Even a random IPL player gets mobbed

In Australia nobody gets mobbed like that. They respect privacy

But players like Sachin , Lara , KP , Flintoff , Viv were widely respected by cricket fans. They got rousing reception during cricket matches in Australia.


ps : Remember a talk show on Australian radio after that Gabba test. Everyone was praising Indian team

 

[Pakhs]

Well this is an easy ones, For Indian Border-Gavaskar trophy for Australians and English The Ashes. Having been to both Australia and England I can tell you this with absolute certainty.

 

[RexRex]

Indians are obsessed with celebrity worship. Even a random IPL player gets mobbed

In Australia nobody gets mobbed like that. They respect privacy

My observation is there are plenty of people in India who respect sporting figures the way Aussies do; they just get drowned out and outnumbered by the more loutish celebrity-worshipping fans - which probably is one disadvantage of being a part of diverse billion plus country.

 

[NishanKonar]

My observation is there are plenty of people in India who respect sporting figures the way Aussies do; they just get drowned out and outnumbered by the more loutish celebrity-worshipping fans - which probably is one disadvantage of being a part of diverse billion plus country.

Indians dont respect the sport ( atleast 90% dont )

They just love glamour & stardom. Thats why they are obsessed with celebrities. How do u explain the way CSK fans behave when a 45 year old uncle comes out to bat

Or look at this Ro Ko nonsense. U wont see such stuff in Australia

Ian Chappel said it many years back - Indians dont love cricket , they love cricketers. He said it bcoz in 1999 India lost the MCG test but outside team hotel Indian fans were celebrating bcoz Sachin scored a test ton in that match !

 

[jnaveen1980]

Indians dont respect the sport ( atleast 90% dont )

They just love glamour & stardom. Thats why they are obsessed with celebrities. How do u explain the way CSK fans behave when a 45 year old uncle comes out to bat

Or look at this Ro Ko nonsense. U wont see such stuff in Australia

Ian Chappel said it many years back - Indians dont love cricket , they love cricketers. He said it bcoz in 1999 India lost the MCG test but outside team hotel Indian fans were celebrating bcoz Sachin scored a test ton in that match !

Shane warne had similar reception in Australia. They celebrate their own heroes in their own style. Australia's population is 28 million. They have multiple sports. Maharshatra's population is 140 million and we have single sports. You can't compare that. Just look at the reception Henrich Klassen got at the airport from SRH fans. They can take you to top as fas they drop you from there. I remember Akhtar was cheered by KKR fans when he was bowling to Sachin in the first IPL edition. That is how franchisee cricket should work. Have you not seen EPL where these things can get 10 times ugly? Hooliganism is there everywhere. But vast majority of the fans are just cricket lovers.

Twitter should be the last place to judge fans. These are run by PR firms. I have caught these guys many times. I remember seeing a Rohit related post that was exatly the same from 10 different accounts. It will give an illusion that there are so many people doing the same stuff.

 

[NishanKonar]

Shane warne had similar reception in Australia. They celebrate their own heroes in their own style. Australia's population is 28 million. They have multiple sports. Maharshatra's population is 140 million and we have single sports. You can't compare that. Just look at the reception Henrich Klassen got at the airport from SRH fans. They can take you to top as fas they drop you from there. I remember Akhtar was cheered by KKR fans when he was bowling to Sachin in the first IPL edition. That is how franchisee cricket should work. Have you not seen EPL where these things can get 10 times ugly? Hooliganism is there everywhere. But vast majority of the fans are just cricket lovers.

Twitter should be the last place to judge fans. These are run by PR firms. I have caught these guys many times. I remember seeing a Rohit related post that was exatly the same from 10 different accounts. It will give an illusion that there are so many people doing the same stuff.

Shane Warne could go to a beach or mall or restaurant in Australia without getting mobbed

 

[jnaveen1980]

Shane Warne could go to a beach or mall or restaurant in Australia without getting mobbed

WOnder why fans in Australia in 14 degree weather were flocking at the airport just to see Taylor swift exit Fan craze is there everywhere. You think Taylor swift would be mobbed in a remote village of India? So it doesn't tell you anything.

 

[NishanKonar]

WOnder why fans in Australia in 14 degree weather were flocking at the airport just to see Taylor swift exit Fan craze is there everywhere. You think Taylor swift would be mobbed in a remote village of India? So it doesn't tell you anything.

Nobody knows Taylor Swift or Kendrik Lamar in India ( beyond some upper class circles. Same reason Chris Martin can walk around Mumbai.

But imagine Daljit Dosanjh in a similar situation ?

 

[RexRex]

WOnder why fans in Australia in 14 degree weather were flocking at the airport just to see Taylor swift exit Fan craze is there everywhere. You think Taylor swift would be mobbed in a remote village of India? So it doesn't tell you anything.

Fair point. That said, most overseas cricketers don't like to play in India because they simply can't go out and explore, they will be mobbed. They have to stay in their hotels 24/7. Numerous players have said this in interviews and podcasts.

 

[Pakhs]

The Ashes is an authentic rivalry between England and Australia, and it will never be devalued because both teams understand how to protect it. India also has its own genuine rivalry with Pakistan, but due to political issues and a long-standing inferiority complex, it has not been protected to the same extent. Australia have thrashed England 5–0 and 4–0 in several series, yet they have never tried to talk down or devalue their own iconic product. Why would they?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Nobody knows Taylor Swift or Kendrik Lamar in India ( beyond some upper class circles. Same reason Chris Martin can walk around Mumbai.

But imagine Daljit Dosanjh in a similar situation ?

Cricket is an outlet for people who go through hardship. Especially when someone who come from humble background make it big they get all the adulation. Fans make the sports a success.Because social media has become a tool to make money many people are abusing it some exploiting it. Just look at Australian podcasts and English podcasts. They make some deliberate controversial remark about Indai just to boost the viewership. Most of the ROKO fight is based on this. I hear some of them are not even Indians. They just pick a side and put down other. Enough to keep the cash flowing.

 

[RexRex]

Australia have thrashed England 5–0 and 4–0 in several series, yet they have never tried to talk down or devalue their own iconic product. Why would they?

Ashes rivalry would be devalued if they had the same geopolitical issues that India & Pakistan have, particularly if it involved dead aussies or englishmen.

 

[Pakhs]

Ashes rivalry would be devalued if they had the same geopolitical issues that India & Pakistan have, particularly if it involved dead aussies or englishmen.

I don't think sports has anything to do with what happens politically, its a commercial product, played between mainly young men / kids. Men usually mature around 35 where most sportsmen retire. There are other examples for example England vs Germany in football.

 

[jnaveen1980]

On field antics are less these days. CUmmins team is too nice a team. Not enough distinct personalities on either side. We had Mitch Johnson, Kevin pietersen, Flintoff in the past. i understand crowd loves to see their team taking down their rival. But on the field it is kinda bland despite that pointless act of Archer at the wee end of the 2nd test. Right now hate for bazball is the only driving force for fans/commies.

 

[Obaidd]

That may change now. Kohli, Rohit, Pujara, and Ashwin have already retired.

Once chucker Bumrah and Siraj retire, I expect them to lose 0-5 in Australia regularly.

Not just away tours. I expect them to lose even home series regularly.

Indian cricket stakeholders should be alarmed by the whitewashes at home in tests. Once you lose your home test fortress, the rest comes down naturally.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

The Ashes is bigger for tradition and history, while the Border–Gavaskar Trophy is bigger for modern hype, popularity, and recent impact. Both are massive, just in different ways.

 

[Slim]

To answer this, we have to see which is important for which fanbase and conclude accordingly:

Ashes for English and Australian fans.

Australia-India series for Indian fans.

 

[BouncerGuy]

ashes is historical, bgt is hype because of indian fans only.

 

[Devadwal]

ashes is historical, bgt is hype because of indian fans only.

Soformer or current Australian players will be considered Indian fans? .

 

[BouncerGuy]

Soformer or current Australian players will be considered Indian fans? .

Comparing a few with 110+CR people???

crazy

 

[Devadwal]

Comparing a few with 110+CR people???

crazy

If Australia player's said BGT is on par with Ashes then no need of opinion from Pakistan expert which is always biased.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Indian cricket stakeholders should be alarmed by the whitewashes at home in tests. Once you lose your home test fortress, the rest comes down naturally.

More to do with Gambhir's inept coaching than anything else. He is building a T20 unit for Tests. 4 batsmen 4 all rounders 3 bowlers sort of set up. He is a clueless coach with zero credentials. India has so many domestc batsmen making centuries after centuries. Gambhir ignored all went with bits and pieces players.

 

[jnaveen1980]

ashes is historical, bgt is hype because of indian fans only.

Ashes is historical for Engalnd and Australian fans. Other fans have zero stake in it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

To answer this, we have to see which is important for which fanbase and conclude accordingly:

Ashes for English and Australian fans.

Australia-India series for Indian fans.

Much like India-Paksitan series for Pakistan fans . Local holiday in farhan's home town because he hit sixes off Bumrah