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England have let down the whole cricketing world with their performanceAs spicy as Boiled broccolli ?![]()
England have let down the whole cricketing world with their performance

Ashes has more buzz definitely. This time barmy army fans genuinely believed England will take down Australia. Now they have to take the heat from Aussie fans.
Since 789 BC i guessEngland have let down the whole cricketing world with their performance
I have to say the hype in England (from fans, pundits and media) around the Ashes in Australia is rarely borne out be the actual results.
Australia have won 16 and drawn 2 of the last 18 Tests v England at home.
This century, England have won 4 Tests down under and lost 26.
I was hoping someone asks that question to arrogant broad. Even Justin Langer on Stuart Broadcast asking broad "Mate you said this is the worst Australian team ever.. what does that make your team? " .
so the ashes is still three times more important to an aussie than the BG trophy, which is roughly on par with SA series. pretty much what we all thought.This is an interesting perspective from an Aussie fan who lives in England on the importance of the Ashes -
so the ashes is still three times more important to an aussie than the BG trophy, which is roughly on par with SA series. pretty much what we all thought.
yep, this isnt a surprise if youve lived in england. theres a small but solid contingent who enjoy the test summer, so you get grounds pretty much full no matter what the opposition for the home summer, but the vast majoirty of the casual fans only care about the ashes. no one cares about white ball cricket at all, which is probably the biggest surprise to most non england fans.What stood out to me was how much Eng audiences like only the Ashes and pretty much ignore everything else, unlike the Aussie spectators.
so the ashes is still three times more important to an aussie than the BG trophy, which is roughly on par with SA series. pretty much what we all thought.
it will always be nothing more than opinions, thats the whole idea of a rivalry, its the consolidated opinion of the supporting public as to who the greatest rivals are. and its not like i posted it, its an indian fan posting it in a thread comparing the ashes and BG trophy so obviously his opinion matters, to one indian fan at least.Thats his opinion which he clearly states at the beginning of the video at about 2:20.
Whereas if you look at the hard facts the crowd figures from last years BGT say a very different story.
it will always be nothing more than opinions, thats the whole idea of a rivalry, its the consolidated opinion of the supporting public as to who the greatest rivals are. and its not like i posted it, its an indian fan posting it in a thread comparing the ashes and BG trophy so obviously his opinion matters, to one indian fan at least.
Outside talks about Ashes is unbeatable. Onfield banter has significantly reduced because guys like Cummins, Josh, Starc, Boland are extremely nice guys. Also culturally similar. Many Aussies live in England and vice versa. Botham's grand daughter lives in Melbourne with her husband. THey understand the banter of each other. BGT rivalry is a purely onfield rivalry. Many banters, slurs. It is a pure skill based rivalry. Especially in the 2014 series, after that total annihilation of England in 2013 series by Mitchell Johnson.BGT has definitely grown bigger than it wasa few years ago.. But Ashes is a historical series... That alone makes it 1 step ahead of bgt.
i dont know abt aus but in the uk its impossible to get tickets to india games, not because anyone here cares about india in particular, but because the indian diaspora hoover up every ticket. id suspect the BGT tickets have a huge indian contingent buying up tickets too rather than local aussie supporters whod rather watch india than england.Crowd numbers are not mine of anyone's opinion, nor is the level of media coverage, the hype, the box office success of the last 3 BGT tours down under.
But saar, what about indian seriess saarreeThe Ashes has an immense cultural importance (to Australia) to it that no other series can match.
In reality test series against South Africa have been better in my lifetime.
Hayden remembers how many English careers finished since 2000 in Australia lol He says 26 careers finished in Ashes.
Thi is an opportunity for ENgland to show that they care things other than Ashes. Because WTC points are still at stake in the last 2 tests. THey should still try to win it.If Joe Root has any shame he would retire after the Ashes. He’s lost like 16 tests in Australia without a win. No great batsman ever had this kind of a record. What an absolute disgrace. He’s not even better than Dravid or Sangakkara, it’s a disgrace some English folks try to compare him to the final boss the cricket god Sachin Tendulkar.
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If Joe Root has any shame he would retire after the Ashes. He’s lost like 16 tests in Australia without a win. No great batsman ever had this kind of a record. What an absolute disgrace. He’s not even better than Dravid or Sangakkara, it’s a disgrace some English folks try to compare him to the final boss the cricket god Sachin Tendulkar.
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What will he learn?I feel sorry for Saint Joe.
Root should be sent back to Yorkshire immediately and made to watch 3 hours of Sachin footage on youtube daily until the New Year. It's the only way this softie will learn.
What will he learn?

yep, this isnt a surprise if youve lived in england. theres a small but solid contingent who enjoy the test summer, so you get grounds pretty much full no matter what the opposition for the home summer, but the vast majoirty of the casual fans only care about the ashes. no one cares about white ball cricket at all, which is probably the biggest surprise to most non england fans.
filling ground in england has no correlation to the relevance of the cricket, people will go for a day out to watch anything, thats why even during eng zim test there was a crowd. even when england won the odi world cup, it barely registered in any way on the national psyche, not even 1% of the impact of the 2005 ashes, which was pbly the last time i saw everyone in england talking about cricket. no one cares about white ball cricket in england.Not accurate. When Australia played a random bilateral white ball series last year, the grounds were all packed.
OK that's fair enough. But that's not the case elsewhere. World Cups are important everywhere else in the cricketing world .filling ground in england has no correlation to the relevance of the cricket, people will go for a day out to watch anything, thats why even during eng zim test there was a crowd. even when england won the odi world cup, it barely registered in any way on the national psyche, not even 1% of the impact of the 2005 ashes, which was pbly the last time i saw everyone in england talking about cricket. no one cares about white ball cricket in england.
yeah, i didnt say everywhere else, i was only talking about england.OK that's fair enough. But that's not the case elsewhere. World Cups are important everywhere else in the cricketing world .
yeah, i didnt say everywhere else, i was only talking about england.
i dont see this happening easily, whilst there is a shift in playing culture with a lot of youngster wanting to excel at white ball cricket because t20 leagues are lucrative, the sports core following will always be red ball in england. going to a test at Lords or the Oval is a summer highlight for many, including me, summer sunshine, knowledgable fans, nice food, and the sound of leather on willow as you chat about cricket and life with friends. this is the cultural backdrop built on 100+ years of history, and the world moving to white ball importance in the 90s did little to shift the culture.What I meant is it will have to change and change soon, even in England. The future is all white ball and Graeme Smith was even talking about club World cups in the future etc.(Post 2027)
i dont know abt aus but in the uk its impossible to get tickets to india games, not because anyone here cares about india in particular, but because the indian diaspora hoover up every ticket. id suspect the BGT tickets have a huge indian contingent buying up tickets too rather than local aussie supporters whod rather watch india than england.
For India, Cricket is the number one sport but it is not for England and Australia. This is why we see large Indian crowds for every match they play.Same is the case for the English contingent in Aus yet the numbers between the 2 series are comparable. Also its not like the majority of the crowd in the last BGT were Indian.
I think important wise it's for Aussies to determine , heritage wise it's Ashes for sure but cricket quality wise ...it's India and Australia and to India credit it's mostly down under ....although now with our abysmal home test form...it will be interesting in Indian soil too.I don't think either Indians or Pakistans can definitively say what is bigger.
The only ones who can judge are the Aussies as they are the participants in both.
Based on recent comments, they seem to be arguing that it's as big as the Ashes, then so be it.
As a fan I have interest in both of them
What is players rivalry? Players are through professionals at that level and wants to perform against all teams and occasions. I think you might be talking about one or two players specifically?Fan rivalry is higher for Ashes ofcourse. But player rivalry is slightly more in BGT.
Australia been winning in Australia against England forever and nothing that has happened in this series that hasn't happened in the past. Ashes is not going to be devalued or played any less as both England and Australia know how to protect their No. 1 product.Yet another one sided test in australia. England and their supporters deserved this Humiliation.
Daily reminder THE BGT > The Ashes
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When everyone knows the kind of answers you will give, why put an 'if' to 'you ask me' when no one will be asking you, defo no rational crick fan will disinvest their time...If you ask me, both have lost shine. India may lose 0-5 too if they play there now.
Ashes at least has a legacy that goes back to 19th century. BGT is pretty new relatively.

Please don't take away their liberty of applying balm on their wounds.Now that the ashes has been decided and Eng finally got on the score board, first time in 15 odd years.....maybe Sydney test will be more competitive.
Coming back to the original question - i have given my input on this via post#522 and #560....
Giving a different perspective now.
Given how sometimes it feels like a default - whenever my team India wins, there's the usual entry into the Saazish Stakes saying 'IPL contracts' and freely bandied upon on these pages .....
to make it clearer -Implying India's opposition did not try their hardest - as they were angling for IPL contracts...
So If IPL contracts were the zenith of ones cricketing existence and to achieve the same - people deliberately underperform in matches vs India :-
Why dont Aussie and Eng players just say BGT > Ashes or Sachin-Jimmy trophy > Ashes.....or BGT is the greatest test series they were part of? or AShes is NOT the greatest series they were part of? Or winning the ashes pales in comparison to doing well in the IPL?
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That is a hype England creates lol Atleast 2 of the tests in that series was boring. Only reason it got interesting because of that 2 run win and that draw in third test. 4th one relatively easy win although won only 3 wickets. Stupid shots by Geraint jones made the match interesting. Otherwise win. Basically just 2 tests theat were interesting. One win by England by runs. Other one Australia drew. 2023 was decent one.Ashes pre 2010 was nice. Best ashes for me was 2005.
That is a hype England creates lol Atleast 2 of the tests in that series was boring. Only reason it got interesting because of that 2 run win and that draw in third test. 4th one relatively easy win although won only 3 wickets. Stupid shots by Geraint jones made the match interesting. Otherwise win. Basically just 2 tests theat were interesting. One win by England by runs. Other one Australia drew. 2023 was decent one.

Past won't matter for the current and future . Currently BGT>>>>> Ashes. Fact.Ashes is always 1 step ahead of BGT based on its liking among those nations.... BGT was made famous in recent times, before that, no one was interested.

Ashes is always 1 step ahead of BGT based on its liking among those nations.... BGT was made famous in recent times, before that, no one was interested.
REcent times? Since 2000 this has been a highly competitive series. This is the performance of different teams against Australia since 2000. This is a pure cricketing rivalry. And clashes between superstars. LOt of onfield battles. IT is not just trash talking between two teams. BOth teams walked the talk. This is a different kind of rivalry. Aussies love it when someone competes well in Australia. They overwhelmingly appreciate anyone who does well there.Ashes is always 1 step ahead of BGT based on its liking among those nations.... BGT was made famous in recent times, before that, no one was interested.

England should've played Bethell in all the matches and we could have a lot tighter contest.Most overhyped, overrated series end and it was one sided contest.
BGT>>>>>>>>>>> Overhyped tinny Ashes
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