- Joined
- Oct 2, 2004
- Runs
- 217,750
This is what they are all playing for (and of course national pride!)
But realistically, who is like to lift this cup?
But realistically, who is like to lift this cup?
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
India can't be your favourites since you already said they were mentally weak and chokersaustralia, india and pakistan are favourites. any one of them can win. dont count us out yet please. england wont make it in my opinion as their players seem to past their peaks and their bowling isnt as strong without archer.
sneaky suspicion that either kiwis or lankans will make it to semis.
i am betting on australia to win it all again.
Things may change in home conditions. They are favourites, don't be silly. They have been mentally weak from about 2011 to now. Maybe this is the year for them.India can't be your favourites since you already said they were mentally weak and chokers
They wont CT 2013 despite being mentally weak?Things may change in home conditions. They are favourites, don't be silly. They have been mentally weak from about 2011 to now. Maybe this is the year for them.
Champions trophy was a good win. Ok. So how many have they lost since 2013?They wont CT 2013 despite being mentally weak?
2014 was a choke , no doubt. Since we were favourites.Champions trophy was a good win. Ok. So how many have they lost since 2013?
2015 wc - aus were favourites so understandable
2014 - india should have won
2016 in t20 semis dia lost to west indies? Choked after scoring 190
2017 : huge choke vs Pakistan.
2019 choke vs nz
2021 wtc choke again vs nz
2022 t20 - not favourites but had prep in IPl (u.a.e)
2023 choke vs aus
So failure after failure. What's your point?
Maybe they will win this time. India looks strong. Maybe they can finally break the hoodoo?
We weren't top 2 or 3 even. India were? So you point is moot.2014 was a choke , no doubt. Since we were favourites.
2015 - Australia were favourites.
2016 - we lost to the best T20 side that thumped England and SA in the group stage and then best England in the finals again. A team with Gayle, Samuels, Badree, Russell, Braithwaite, Bravo, Sammy near their peaks - losing to such a T20 side is choking?
2017 - South Africa were ranked #1 and Australia were ranked #2. India were #3. England were playing at home
SA got beaten by PAK aand knocked out in group stages
OZ and NZ group stage knockout.
Home team beaten in semi but India choked?
2019 - England were #1. We were going to lose to them anyway
2021 WTC. - Choked. No doubt.
2021 World T20 - Pakistan couldn't defend a record 177 in Dubai but only India choked?
2022 World T20. - Fastest, best pace attack with best T20 spinner could not defend a low score .
And number 1 and 2 T20 batsmen combined couldn't do Jack.
But India choked ?
Ok
Nortje is out of the World Cup.Let's not make it another India centric thread. OP asked which team most likely to win the world cup and there are 9 other teams playing as well...LOL
Lets strike out the easy options, team's we know that wont win and only acting as fillers. They are Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Netherlands, Afghanistan
So it leaves us with 6 teams - England, India, Australia, Pakistan, NewZealand and South Africa.
India - Home side and will definitely have advantage knowing the conditions very well. The team in great form too with Asia cup win and beating Australia. This is probably the strongest Indian side we have fielded since 2011 world cup. Infact, the bowling attack this time is much superior compared to 2011. However the issue with Indian team is mental toughness in knock out games. We have to wait and see if they can overcome it or will it continue to be an issue.
Pakistan - lots of myths has been busted in Asia cup but nevertheless it is still a very good team. Naseem Shah's injury is a concern but it is still a top class fast bowling unit. The problem will arise in spin department and I think both Shadab & Nawaz are mediocre bowlers. Pakistan should have selected a genuine spinner considering the world cup will be played in India. They also lack power hitting in batting like up. In venues like Bangalore or Hyderabad, most teams would outbat them on the flat pancakes. The good news is, their most important game will be in Ahmedabad where it assist new ball seam bowlers when lights come on. If Pakistan can win the toss and bat first, Shaheen Afridi can cause a lot of damage in 1st spell of second innings.
New-Zealand - forever underachievers who does their job quietly but extremely effectively. A lot depends on the fitness of their veteran players like Williamson and Southee. I think they are getting a good practice in Bangladesh but Indian pitches will be totally different. They however have good good hitters to take advantage of the flat tracks in India. I don't see them winning though...may reach top 4.
Australia - expected more from them in India series after their good tour of SA but left disappointed. However, they are resting quite a few key players...so it is not that big of a deal. The biggest concern is injury to their best batsman Travis Head...if he doesn't get fit...his replacement will be Labuschagne who in my opinion is the most overhyped batsman. Most Aussie players play IPL day in and day out...so know these conditions very well. They are a tournament team as well and should go the distance.
South Africa - no longer the force it was once was but still a very good side. Like Australia, their players also plays IPL regularly and very well aware of all the ground dynamics. They have got some good strikers in the shape of Klassen, Miller, DeKock and also good spinner like Maharaj & Shamshi. Their fast bowling is weak though and would greatly depend on Nortje's fitness. They are still my dark horse for the tournament.
England - an absolutely top class limited over team with no weakness at all. Each and every batsman is scary in that side, so much so that Harry Brook has to sit out. With the inclusion of Stokes, they would get that fighting spirit as well. Their bowling with Wood, Woakes, Topley, Curran, Rashid etc looks very good as well. I simply don't see how this team can't go the distance.
Rajdeep's verdict - India, Pakistan, Australia & England will be top 4 teams. It will be Australia vs England final with England winning it again.
Brain says South Africa
Heart says Pakistan
Soul says Bharat
Actually , it's your point that is moot. Stronger teams have either won the tournaments or been eliminated earlier than us.We weren't top 2 or 3 even. India were? So you point is moot.
Anyway what is your point dude? You make no sense. India have been mental midgets/ chokers since 2013
Top 2 3 side in all formats but failed to win a single icc event since then? Sounds like new age South africa to me.
Pakistan on the other hand were borderline 4/5 mostly.
Are you trying to provoke? Find someone else for that.Actually , it's your point that is moot. Stronger teams have either won the tournaments or been eliminated earlier than us.
My point is somebody who sees Sri Lanka as a semifinalist in a 50 over World Cup cannot be taken seriously on these matters anyway.
Brother, only Top 2 sides have ever had a chance of winning the World Cup.Y
Are you trying to provoke? Find someone else for that.
Aus india and Pakistan are favourites. I clearly mentioned Sri Lanka may be the surprise package given they are missing so many players who will return.
Top 3 teams usually win the world cup.
If india fails again then it's a humongous choke job. Kohli known failure.
Rohit perennial failure.
Good luck
Oh sorry disclaimer. Since 2013 kohli has been falling in odi events. The least prestigious event out of the big 3 events is the one event kohli does well in.
They could. Remember no hasaranga, lahiru, chameera or madushanakaBrother, only Top 2 sides have ever had a chance of winning the World Cup.
If SL can qualify ahead of SA, NZ and England of all teams, what makes you think they can't knock PAK out of the tournament. They already knocked you out of Asia Cup twice in a row?
Kumara and Madushanka are fully fit. Chameera is doubtful. Hasaranga is likely to be out completely.They could. Remember no hasaranga, lahiru, chameera or madushanaka
They are actually quite strong at full strength.
Yea they look dangerous now. Do not underestimate the lankans. Underdog but a good team to bet on. May sneak into top 4.Kumara and Madushanka are fully fit. Chameera is doubtful. Hasaranga is likely to be out completely.
Actually during the last world cup, the 2 matches that England lost were to Pakistan and Lanka, so NZ didn't trouble them much ( final of course they did) but otherwise it was a smooth ride for England baring the 2 Asian nations.I think ODI World Cups are now following the law of home advantage! So 90% chances India will win! Only teams who can threaten them are teams who are used to Asian conditions (Pakistan & Sri Lanka like how NZ troubled England in their favoring conditions, but Pak & Sri Lanka aren't strong enough this time).
India should make sure that they don't prepare absolutely flat pitches (even though pitches are made by ICC) and also should pick the right playing XI for Knockout matches...
I don't think any other non-Asian team winning this cup. At the most Pakistan can take the advantage & fluke it like they did it in 1992... OR Sri Lanka suddenly become determined as they did in 1996. Bangladesh & Afghanistan do not have in them to first pass the league games...
Does anyone know if pakistan vs new zealand warm up game is live broadcast?
Pakistan, England and India are the favorites. People are underestimating Pakistan but it's clear to anyone who understands the game that our side is filled with quality.
As long as we don't meet India in the semis, I am confident of a second place finish, at the very least.
India seem unstoppable at the moment but they might be peaking way too early. What happens if Bumrah and/or Siraj get injured? What happens if their batsmen are faced with the swinging ball in Dharamsala and the turning one in Chennai?
AustraliaYes...its live in India and UK atleast.
Which country you are asking?
I guess it will be live on TV but there will be no crowd inside the stadium.Australia
What if Haris Rauf gets injured? Can Pakistan beat SL after that blow?Pakistan, England and India are the favorites. People are underestimating Pakistan but it's clear to anyone who understands the game that our side is filled with quality.
As long as we don't meet India in the semis, I am confident of a second place finish, at the very least.
India seem unstoppable at the moment but they might be peaking way too early. What happens if Bumrah and/or Siraj get injured? What happens if their batsmen are faced with the swinging ball in Dharamsala and the turning one in Chennai?
All the warm up matches are going to live telecast.Does anyone know if pakistan vs new zealand warm up game is live broadcast?
Little bit turn offer and all the hitter will be failing like pack of cards.After the firepower England's B side displayed today, I think they are even more favorites now.
Top 7 or 8 of England's main team are all monster hitters (barring Root).
Just wait for India - England match and see how kuldeep,Ashwin Jadeja , Bumrah and Siraj destroy their so called big hitters.England is miles ahead. India has a 20 percent chance in a final if sky plays and fires .
on slow spinning tracks i dont think England will play their BazBall style cricket.England is miles ahead. India has a 20 percent chance in a final if sky plays and fires .
For initial part pitch is good for batting but later stage there will be slow turn which is more than enough for quality SpinnersDoubt any pitch will be slow turning. It will be high scoring
while matches against SENA countries BCCI for sure will go for a spinning track.Doubt any pitch will be slow turning. It will be high scoring
while matches against SENA countries BCCI for sure will go for a spinning track.
but they are not much effective because they mostly relies on drift not tries to spin much.That can backfire because SENA countries also have good spinners (Adil, Zampa, Sodhi etc.).
England used to be that team in the previous World Cup cycle. There are teams that can out bat England - RSA, India, full strength Australia. Also, England have a terrible ODI record in India.india have a massive advantage on batting tracks, the only team who can intimidate india is england, on a flat enough track england have the highest potential (450 level scores).
i believe england will make it to the knock out games, and from there all the pitches will be biased towards being pattas and hence i think england will beat india in the final.
still think aus and pak squeak into the top four, but pak will lose to india in the semi like 2011 and aus will lose to england.
nope, on paper no team bats as hard and deep as england, they've been a tad less aggressive recently but im assuming that the pieces will fall into place as the tournament goes on.England used to be that team in the previous World Cup cycle. There are teams that can out bat England - RSA, India, full strength Australia. Also, England have a terrible ODI record in India.
Actually, I'll have to disagree here. England were clearly the superior hitting side going into the previous World Cup. In fact, comfortably better than other sides.nope, on paper no team bats as hard and deep as england, they've been a tad less aggressive recently but im assuming that the pieces will fall into place as the tournament goes on.
india has the second most destructive batting order, but are likely to temper their aggression in play off games, at least in the early stages of the innings, whereas england will rachet it up.
i said in the play off games, i meant to say in the knock out games, i know india have batted a lot more aggressively but where you and I differ is i believe come the knock out games india would reduce their aggression. maybe i get proven wrong, but my point is not technical, or strategic, but more psychological.Actually, I'll have to disagree here. England were clearly the superior hitting side going into the previous World Cup. In fact, comfortably better than other sides.
India did not suddenly bat conservatively in the last World Cup(2019), their plan was always to be 45-0 in the PP and that's exactly how they batted all of 2015-2019.
This time, India has consistently scored faster in the powerplay period(2019-2023) and it has resulted in higher scoring rates for all 50 overs.
This time, the gap is very close between the top 4 sides - India, ENG, AUS, SA . We cannot just assume that England will hit top hitting form in the World Cup when they haven't done so in over 2 years when other teams have been doing so?
England's #3 is struggling worse than Kohli or RVD or even Marsh for that matter. Their spare batter(Brook) has barely scored runs in this format.
Buttler is nowhere near the force of nature that he was in 2019. It's actually quite a big decline. His and Bairstow's numbers are much more like run of the mill ODI batters now and have been so for a while.
Their best bet is for Malan to bat deep and Stokes and Livingstone(their 2 most explosive hitters currently) to smash the ball while batting with him.
Better English batting lineups have come to India under Morgan and have been out batted.
Not to mention the fact that England haven't actually beaten any of these teams - RSA, India, OZ even in one series in this World Cup cycle.
If England win, it will be because of the variety in their attack, exceptional bowling plans etc. I don't see them consistently outhitting other teams at this point in time.
I got your point but it's just that there is no evidence for that. That's why I mentioned that India were doing the same thing even in bilaterals before the last World Cup and even during the group stages as well.i said in the play off games, i meant to say in the knock out games, i know india have batted a lot more aggressively but where you and I differ is i believe come the knock out games india would reduce their aggression. maybe i get proven wrong, but my point is not technical, or strategic, but more psychological.
I tend to agree. But I did saw evidence of otherwise in both the 2019 WC finals facing NZ spinners on a tired pitch and 2022 T20 WC finals on a seaming pitch against Pak pace attack. They were very nervous - I still remember Butler's look after every delivery of Naseem. Even the scoop he played for a 6 to get out of jail was a last resort attempt. They eventually won through old school approach from Ben stokes.i said in the play off games, i meant to say in the knock out games, i know india have batted a lot more aggressively but where you and I differ is i believe come the knock out games india would reduce their aggression. maybe i get proven wrong, but my point is not technical, or strategic, but more psychological.
InshAllahPakistan.
Not because it’s the best team,
with the best batsmen,
nor the best bowling attack
nor the best captain
But because it needs to lift this trophy now more than any other point in its history in cricket or as a nation.
In Sha Allah.
pak final is an anomaly, naseem got the ball to seam like a test match, and they knew the target wasn't huge. both unlikely factors in a deciding game in india.I tend to agree. But I did saw evidence of otherwise in both the 2019 WC finals facing NZ spinners on a tired pitch and 2022 T20 WC finals on a seaming pitch against Pak pace attack. They were very nervous - I still remember Butler's look after every delivery of Naseem. Even the scoop he played for a 6 to get out of jail was a last resort attempt. They eventually won through old school approach from Ben stokes.
And that belief is what makes teams win trophies. Natural to be nervous in a big final. Eng as 85/4 in the 2018 final and the rrr was over 6- any other team would have crumpled under the weight of that pressure. Champion teams always get a way out of it. And part of it was conditions driven- the pitch was seeming a bit unlike the semi final where they smoked Australia. But yeah Australia and England are presently the only teams that cam handle the intense big game pressure.I tend to agree. But I did saw evidence of otherwise in both the 2019 WC finals facing NZ spinners on a tired pitch and 2022 T20 WC finals on a seaming pitch against Pak pace attack. They were very nervous - I still remember Butler's look after every delivery of Naseem. Even the scoop he played for a 6 to get out of jail was a last resort attempt. They eventually won through old school approach from Ben stokes.
What happens if India is set a target of 320+. Nine out of 10 times India will loose. Shreyas Iyer, KL Rahul and Surya, none are going to win the match while chasing even a reasonably big target.Pakistan, England and India are the favorites. People are underestimating Pakistan but it's clear to anyone who understands the game that our side is filled with quality.
As long as we don't meet India in the semis, I am confident of a second place finish, at the very least.
India seem unstoppable at the moment but they might be peaking way too early. What happens if Bumrah and/or Siraj get injured? What happens if their batsmen are faced with the swinging ball in Dharamsala and the turning one in Chennai?