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So we have now hosted Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, and the West Indies in terms of international cricket. Now, we could go down the possibility of inviting one of these teams again this time for a test match in Pakistan. Or we could go the way of having another short limited overs series but with a top five team.

I personally, would look to invite SA for a short T20i series after our tour of South Africa later this year. SA looks about the only team that might be willing totour Pakistan- considering so many of their players toured Pakistan recently. SA would also pull a huge crowd and could go a long way in convincing other teams that Pakistan is safe.

What are your opinions?
 
We are supposed to go to Zimbabwe in couple months but that is in doubt now due to financial problems etc. Now that Zimbabwe have missed out on World Cup as well, maybe invite them to Pakistan and offer them a lot of money. A proper tour. 1/2 Tests, 3-5 ODIs and 2-3 T20Is across different cities.
 
Yes South Africa would be ideal, and the most likely to tour compared to others.
 
We are supposed to go to Zimbabwe in couple months but that is in doubt now due to financial problems etc. Now that Zimbabwe have missed out on World Cup as well, maybe invite them to Pakistan and offer them a lot of money. A proper tour. 1/2 Tests, 3-5 ODIs and 2-3 T20Is across different cities.

Hate to say this, but don’t think Zimbabwe touring would help our long term objective much. We had them tour two years ago and it didn’t really convince many teams to come to Pakistan.
 
We are supposed to go to Zimbabwe in couple months but that is in doubt now due to financial problems etc. Now that Zimbabwe have missed out on World Cup as well, maybe invite them to Pakistan and offer them a lot of money. A proper tour. 1/2 Tests, 3-5 ODIs and 2-3 T20Is across different cities.

Zimbabwe would be a pointless tour. It won't convince top teams to come.
 
I would try to convince SL for an ODI and T20I tour.
 
Bangladesh can be a competitive side to play in Pakistan i guess.
 
I think Bangladesh. They will bring a full squad and they will provide feisty competition
 
I think Bangladesh. They will bring a full squad and they will provide feisty competition

Won't happen - and no politics here, simple business logic tells that. Going back, 2015 PAK tour to BD was PAK's home series - PCB was reluctant to arrange it in UAE, so it was hosted by BCB and PCB was compensated - case closed.

2017 Series was BCB's home series and it was pre-scheduled, accepted as well. And, that tour had only 3 ODIs (just in case if I take that PCB was hesitant for a loss could have forced PAK to WC qualifiers - even 3-0, doesn't pull PAK down to 9th ranking spot by 30 SEP), 3 T20s & 2 Tests. There was absolutely no reason for PAK to decline that tour - I read, it cost BCB over $12mn.

I know BCB people more than anyone here - these are Awami League crooks, but they are business men, can see the color of money. They'll talk everything against PAK or it's cricket team on media, but would hesitate for a single moment to host PAK, because it comes with sweetener - and BCB smells money better than PCB. For a record, you can check - BCB voted against BCCI in the ICC revenue sharing debate - simple maths was, irritating BCCI is a loss of may be an average 3 ODI every year; but going against ICC means irritating entire cricket world - BCCI won't send it's team every year and sponsors won't fill BCB's pocket to see Shardul Thakurs .....

This is an imbalanced cricket economy where almost every country is bullied by BCCI. One example is IPL - they are paying in total 64 foreigners from 10-12 countries to block 2 months of every cricket (hence drying up media money for every one), and then paying $1.5mn to Unadkot. If you check the IPL payment structure - it's basically pampering few top foreigners (so that they keeps their board in check) and rest are all Indian players. Many IPL foreigners are actually getting less than $100K (less than PSL or BPL) - but, IPL is smart; paying Smith, Warner, Strac, AB, Stokes, Gayles, Maxi, Shakib, Gayle, Pollard, Lynn, Guptil, Williamson, Faf, Kok, Johny, Morgan ....... out of anyone's reach and these players will force their board to keep low profile. Which means, over 90% of IPL salary is kept in IND (& I believe foreigners are paid in INR), but they are keeping over 95% of non Indian players jobless for 2 months.

HOWEVER, I can't complain against that - because of fools like PCB. In this current contest, where apart from ECB, more or less every Board is bullied by BCCI, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT RESULTS IN COLLATERAL DAMAGE. Every other board (may be apart from CA & ECB who has tied knots with BCCI for exchange series almost every year), has to maximize whatever they can make playing within themselves. In that environment, PCB's call to cancel BD tour for a silly issue was shooting at own feet.

For 2 months, only 2 BD player will be in IPL, none from PAK - it was quite possible to arrange a 7/8 game series for ODI & T20 in UAE or BD (or even in PAK!!) in a revenue sharing model - money won't have been like an IND tour, but still enough to cover the expenses for a profit, added benefit was game (s) for players, which could have ended in a BD tour of PAK just before or after next PSL. Add to that Junior tours, PSL/BPL series, exchange of A Teams, developments teams, joint player development programs ...

Sadly, it won't happen now, because I know BCB better than anyone - they are not dependent on PAK series be at home or away, no reason for them to cooperate with PCB after that U turn (for PCB's biggest challenge - home tours) - they'll ask PAK for the home series first before any further commitment and Nazam Sethi isn't going to coil his tail to say sorry - Galti ho gaya tha .... so, it's a closed loop - BD & PAK players will enjoy at least 2/3 months paid vacation every year now, when others will be playing against each others and not necessarily against IND only.

At certain point, BCB will have to bend in front of BCCI, because money is sweet and BCB has to run it's operation - no point keeping the highest payer at distant when the closer ones are not cooperating. Knowing BCCI/GoI, I am sure they'll put an unofficial clause of boycotting PAK from BD Cricket, may be including BPL/PSL player exchange - I would have done so for sure, it's a shadow war.

They say, history repeats itself - may be this is not the first time PAK & it's hierarchy set the bed for Indians to sneak in & screw PAK's interest.

I sincerely hope, I am proven wrong here in quicker than I expected.
 
Won't happen - and no politics here, simple business logic tells that. Going back, 2015 PAK tour to BD was PAK's home series - PCB was reluctant to arrange it in UAE, so it was hosted by BCB and PCB was compensated - case closed.

2017 Series was BCB's home series and it was pre-scheduled, accepted as well. And, that tour had only 3 ODIs (just in case if I take that PCB was hesitant for a loss could have forced PAK to WC qualifiers - even 3-0, doesn't pull PAK down to 9th ranking spot by 30 SEP), 3 T20s & 2 Tests. There was absolutely no reason for PAK to decline that tour - I read, it cost BCB over $12mn.

I know BCB people more than anyone here - these are Awami League crooks, but they are business men, can see the color of money. They'll talk everything against PAK or it's cricket team on media, but would hesitate for a single moment to host PAK, because it comes with sweetener - and BCB smells money better than PCB. For a record, you can check - BCB voted against BCCI in the ICC revenue sharing debate - simple maths was, irritating BCCI is a loss of may be an average 3 ODI every year; but going against ICC means irritating entire cricket world - BCCI won't send it's team every year and sponsors won't fill BCB's pocket to see Shardul Thakurs .....

This is an imbalanced cricket economy where almost every country is bullied by BCCI. One example is IPL - they are paying in total 64 foreigners from 10-12 countries to block 2 months of every cricket (hence drying up media money for every one), and then paying $1.5mn to Unadkot. If you check the IPL payment structure - it's basically pampering few top foreigners (so that they keeps their board in check) and rest are all Indian players. Many IPL foreigners are actually getting less than $100K (less than PSL or BPL) - but, IPL is smart; paying Smith, Warner, Strac, AB, Stokes, Gayles, Maxi, Shakib, Gayle, Pollard, Lynn, Guptil, Williamson, Faf, Kok, Johny, Morgan ....... out of anyone's reach and these players will force their board to keep low profile. Which means, over 90% of IPL salary is kept in IND (& I believe foreigners are paid in INR), but they are keeping over 95% of non Indian players jobless for 2 months.

HOWEVER, I can't complain against that - because of fools like PCB. In this current contest, where apart from ECB, more or less every Board is bullied by BCCI, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT RESULTS IN COLLATERAL DAMAGE. Every other board (may be apart from CA & ECB who has tied knots with BCCI for exchange series almost every year), has to maximize whatever they can make playing within themselves. In that environment, PCB's call to cancel BD tour for a silly issue was shooting at own feet.

For 2 months, only 2 BD player will be in IPL, none from PAK - it was quite possible to arrange a 7/8 game series for ODI & T20 in UAE or BD (or even in PAK!!) in a revenue sharing model - money won't have been like an IND tour, but still enough to cover the expenses for a profit, added benefit was game (s) for players, which could have ended in a BD tour of PAK just before or after next PSL. Add to that Junior tours, PSL/BPL series, exchange of A Teams, developments teams, joint player development programs ...

Sadly, it won't happen now, because I know BCB better than anyone - they are not dependent on PAK series be at home or away, no reason for them to cooperate with PCB after that U turn (for PCB's biggest challenge - home tours) - they'll ask PAK for the home series first before any further commitment and Nazam Sethi isn't going to coil his tail to say sorry - Galti ho gaya tha .... so, it's a closed loop - BD & PAK players will enjoy at least 2/3 months paid vacation every year now, when others will be playing against each others and not necessarily against IND only.

At certain point, BCB will have to bend in front of BCCI, because money is sweet and BCB has to run it's operation - no point keeping the highest payer at distant when the closer ones are not cooperating. Knowing BCCI/GoI, I am sure they'll put an unofficial clause of boycotting PAK from BD Cricket, may be including BPL/PSL player exchange - I would have done so for sure, it's a shadow war.

They say, history repeats itself - may be this is not the first time PAK & it's hierarchy set the bed for Indians to sneak in & screw PAK's interest.

I sincerely hope, I am proven wrong here in quicker than I expected.

There is no need to wait for BCCI's benevolence.. Pak, BD, SL, Ireland, Zim can get together and have a pentagular tournament right now.. may be Pak can even host it.. It is the other board's own incompetence that is keeping BCCI a powerful board.. I am an Indian and would like to see Indian cricket do well but not at the expense of cricket. But in this case it is complete unprofessional management of the other boards that has led to this situtation.. Who is stopping Pak from inviting Ireland to Pak now? or Zimbabwe? who asked PCB to sc**w BD's home series? all these are brought upon themselves.. Zim is struggling because of their own govt. SL has series of incompetent administrators hogging the limelight.. Ireland, being a developed country with huge per capita income, is still unable to set aside few millions to grow their game. Among all these boards only BCB seems to be standing firmly on their own legs... All this has nothing to do with BCCI

with all the power attributed to BCCI, they can do nothing if the rest of the boards get together and manage themselves professionally. If each board is swayed by easy money that comes with Indian tour than that speaks volumes about their ability to make cricket a viable sport in their own country. This is especially true with PCB. Their last media right had a clause that minimum 60% of their revenue is based on Indian tours.. really.. do you want your revenues to be dictated by what your enemy country does? is that the best they can do with 210 million population and being the 6th largest country by population..

there is absolutely nothing that the other boards can complain about BCCI. if any of them think BCCI is a bully they have a right to stand up to them and not tie their revenues to BCCI or Indian tour. Once that happen what can BCCI do? wage a war? stop others from playing cricket? nothing.. life will go on..

Coming to the post topic, Pak should invite couple of teams among Ireland, Zim, BD and Afghan for a triangular ODI tournament. Enough of this t20 bashing.. may be a week long tournament where each team plays other twice and a final... it will be fun and will guage the real value of cricket in Pakistan..
 
Baby steps. Crawl before you walk, walk before you run. That is exactly what the PCB is doing. Good on them.

I think the next move is to have a full strength WI or even SL for T20 series in multiple locations over a time period of a week. Do this 2-3 times, then move to a single ODI, then move to an ODI series and so on.

I see this as the only viable way.
 
There is no need to wait for BCCI's benevolence.. Pak, BD, SL, Ireland, Zim can get together and have a pentagular tournament right now.. may be Pak can even host it.. It is the other board's own incompetence that is keeping BCCI a powerful board.. I am an Indian and would like to see Indian cricket do well but not at the expense of cricket. But in this case it is complete unprofessional management of the other boards that has led to this situtation.. Who is stopping Pak from inviting Ireland to Pak now? or Zimbabwe? who asked PCB to sc**w BD's home series? all these are brought upon themselves.. Zim is struggling because of their own govt. SL has series of incompetent administrators hogging the limelight.. Ireland, being a developed country with huge per capita income, is still unable to set aside few millions to grow their game. Among all these boards only BCB seems to be standing firmly on their own legs... All this has nothing to do with BCCI

with all the power attributed to BCCI, they can do nothing if the rest of the boards get together and manage themselves professionally. If each board is swayed by easy money that comes with Indian tour than that speaks volumes about their ability to make cricket a viable sport in their own country. This is especially true with PCB. Their last media right had a clause that minimum 60% of their revenue is based on Indian tours.. really.. do you want your revenues to be dictated by what your enemy country does? is that the best they can do with 210 million population and being the 6th largest country by population..

there is absolutely nothing that the other boards can complain about BCCI. if any of them think BCCI is a bully they have a right to stand up to them and not tie their revenues to BCCI or Indian tour. Once that happen what can BCCI do? wage a war? stop others from playing cricket? nothing.. life will go on..

Coming to the post topic, Pak should invite couple of teams among Ireland, Zim, BD and Afghan for a triangular ODI tournament. Enough of this t20 bashing.. may be a week long tournament where each team plays other twice and a final... it will be fun and will guage the real value of cricket in Pakistan..

Well put. The boards have themselves to blame. No one else. I just do not understand why PCB revenues are India dependent rather than Pakistan fan dependent.
 
1. south africa
2. im wishing one of aus/nz will play the scheduled T20 match in pak later this year
3. a tri series between pak and 2 associate nations could be useful to prove we can accommodate 3 teams safely

why are we inviting england first when we know their players r most difficult to convince?
 
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1. south africa
2. im wishing one of aus/nz will play the schedules T20 match in pak
3. a tri series pak between pak and 2 associate nations could be useful to prove we can accommodate 3 teams safely

why are we inviting england first when we know their players r most difficult to convince?

Unfortunately, this will remain a wish. I do not see it happening. Aus have not toured PAK in two decades. NZ ran out of PAK after a bomb blast in their hotel. So neither is coming anytime soon.

Funny thing is all this is that the last completed full tour (Tests, ODI's) is I think by India!
 
Well put. The boards have themselves to blame. No one else. I just do not understand why PCB revenues are India dependent rather than Pakistan fan dependent.

All PP fans here talk about how passionate Pak fans are about cricket. They also speak about how much ahead Pak middle class is compared to India. I really don't see that in the fan attendance or their spending power.. May be cricket is not as popular, may be spending power is low or may be PCB is incompetent.. Only the last part foreigners know that it is somewhat true. Others no one knows..
 
I can realistically see South Africa being the next strong team coming to Pak, just have to let Sethi work his magic, he's probably been one of the best chairmans we've had and has acted upon his word.
 
There is no need to wait for BCCI's benevolence.. Pak, BD, SL, Ireland, Zim can get together and have a pentagular tournament right now.. may be Pak can even host it.. It is the other board's own incompetence that is keeping BCCI a powerful board.. I am an Indian and would like to see Indian cricket do well but not at the expense of cricket. But in this case it is complete unprofessional management of the other boards that has led to this situtation.. Who is stopping Pak from inviting Ireland to Pak now? or Zimbabwe? who asked PCB to sc**w BD's home series? all these are brought upon themselves.. Zim is struggling because of their own govt. SL has series of incompetent administrators hogging the limelight.. Ireland, being a developed country with huge per capita income, is still unable to set aside few millions to grow their game. Among all these boards only BCB seems to be standing firmly on their own legs... All this has nothing to do with BCCI

with all the power attributed to BCCI, they can do nothing if the rest of the boards get together and manage themselves professionally. If each board is swayed by easy money that comes with Indian tour than that speaks volumes about their ability to make cricket a viable sport in their own country. This is especially true with PCB. Their last media right had a clause that minimum 60% of their revenue is based on Indian tours.. really.. do you want your revenues to be dictated by what your enemy country does? is that the best they can do with 210 million population and being the 6th largest country by population..

there is absolutely nothing that the other boards can complain about BCCI. if any of them think BCCI is a bully they have a right to stand up to them and not tie their revenues to BCCI or Indian tour. Once that happen what can BCCI do? wage a war? stop others from playing cricket? nothing.. life will go on..

Coming to the post topic, Pak should invite couple of teams among Ireland, Zim, BD and Afghan for a triangular ODI tournament. Enough of this t20 bashing.. may be a week long tournament where each team plays other twice and a final... it will be fun and will guage the real value of cricket in Pakistan..

Since you bothered to read the whole staff, I give a small example. These days, A tours are arranged in exchange terms as it's not financially lucrative enough. Couple of weeks back BD & AFG U17 teams played in IND and AFGs will come in the summer ... like that. Similarly, every year, CA, BCCI & CSAF arranges A team tournaments twice or thrice a year with all 3 hosting.

PCB can't do that - simply because they can't offer exchange tour at home, and it'll burn PCB's pocket to play A tours in UAE. It was possible, it was possible to arrange same A triangular every year with PAK, BD and ENG, may be NZ, SRL .... every year twice/thrice with BCB-PCB-SRL jointly hosting 2 such tournaments and Poms/Kiwis alternately. If A tours can be sold financially positive any where in Galaxy, it's Bangladesh - decider of last AFG U19 tour was attended by 15K paid crowd, despite being live telecasted!!!!!!!

Rest part you have explained better than me .....
 
There is no need to wait for BCCI's benevolence.. Pak, BD, SL, Ireland, Zim can get together and have a pentagular tournament right now.. may be Pak can even host it.. It is the other board's own incompetence that is keeping BCCI a powerful board.. I am an Indian and would like to see Indian cricket do well but not at the expense of cricket. But in this case it is complete unprofessional management of the other boards that has led to this situtation.. Who is stopping Pak from inviting Ireland to Pak now? or Zimbabwe? who asked PCB to sc**w BD's home series? all these are brought upon themselves.. Zim is struggling because of their own govt. SL has series of incompetent administrators hogging the limelight.. Ireland, being a developed country with huge per capita income, is still unable to set aside few millions to grow their game. Among all these boards only BCB seems to be standing firmly on their own legs... All this has nothing to do with BCCI

with all the power attributed to BCCI, they can do nothing if the rest of the boards get together and manage themselves professionally. If each board is swayed by easy money that comes with Indian tour than that speaks volumes about their ability to make cricket a viable sport in their own country. This is especially true with PCB. Their last media right had a clause that minimum 60% of their revenue is based on Indian tours.. really.. do you want your revenues to be dictated by what your enemy country does? is that the best they can do with 210 million population and being the 6th largest country by population..

there is absolutely nothing that the other boards can complain about BCCI. if any of them think BCCI is a bully they have a right to stand up to them and not tie their revenues to BCCI or Indian tour. Once that happen what can BCCI do? wage a war? stop others from playing cricket? nothing.. life will go on..

Coming to the post topic, Pak should invite couple of teams among Ireland, Zim, BD and Afghan for a triangular ODI tournament. Enough of this t20 bashing.. may be a week long tournament where each team plays other twice and a final... it will be fun and will guage the real value of cricket in Pakistan..

Excellent post. People always seemed to bash BCCI because of how Rich they are, but no one want to take out moment and appreciate that they have done so much not only for Indian cricket but globally.
 
Unfortunately, this will remain a wish. I do not see it happening. Aus have not toured PAK in two decades. NZ ran out of PAK after a bomb blast in their hotel. So neither is coming anytime soon.

Funny thing is all this is that the last completed full tour (Tests, ODI's) is I think by India!

India aint touring Pakistan anytime soon, not in next 5 years at least. Modi wont commit political suicide.

India isn’t even playing bilaterals with Pakistan, and here you’re thinking they will tour them?
 
Let's start with Bangladesh or Srilanka.
 
Bangladesh, South Africa or Zimbabwe (if they can't host us this summer due to financial problems) for a 3 match ODI series.

We've had plenty of T20Is already.
 
India aint touring Pakistan anytime soon, not in next 5 years at least. Modi wont commit political suicide.

India isn’t even playing bilaterals with Pakistan, and here you’re thinking they will tour them?

You misunderstood me. Nowhere did I say India will tour or I personally thought that they will. That has zero possibility even in the distant future. I was merely mentioning that India's tour might have been the last completed full tour.
 
Bangladesh, South Africa or Zimbabwe (if they can't host us this summer due to financial problems) for a 3 match ODI series.

We've had plenty of T20Is already.

Seems like Pakistan play the largest amount of International T20's.
 
You misunderstood me. Nowhere did I say India will tour or I personally thought that they will. That has zero possibility even in the distant future. I was merely mentioning that India's tour might have been the last completed full tour.

Ok my bad,

I personally think only way India can tour Pakistan is when both countries have period of 2-3 years of peace and friendly environment. Sadly, right now situation is only getting worse every passing day and cricket between the two nations seems a pipe dream. Oh well.... IPL is here so no biggie. :vk
 
Since you bothered to read the whole staff, I give a small example. These days, A tours are arranged in exchange terms as it's not financially lucrative enough. Couple of weeks back BD & AFG U17 teams played in IND and AFGs will come in the summer ... like that. Similarly, every year, CA, BCCI & CSAF arranges A team tournaments twice or thrice a year with all 3 hosting.

PCB can't do that - simply because they can't offer exchange tour at home, and it'll burn PCB's pocket to play A tours in UAE. It was possible, it was possible to arrange same A triangular every year with PAK, BD and ENG, may be NZ, SRL .... every year twice/thrice with BCB-PCB-SRL jointly hosting 2 such tournaments and Poms/Kiwis alternately. If A tours can be sold financially positive any where in Galaxy, it's Bangladesh - decider of last AFG U19 tour was attended by 15K paid crowd, despite being live telecasted!!!!!!!

Rest part you have explained better than me .....

The problem with PCB is that they don't want to acknowledge BCB has moved ahead in terms of cricket administration. BD's cricket team may still be behind Pak in terms of cricketing skills but their administrators are much better than PCB. They figured out how to generate revenue few years back, even when their per capita income was lower than Pak. Now that BD is growing faster and their economy is generating many sustainable businesses internally they will not have issues standing on their own feet. It also helps that BD as a whole has got the confidence to deal with the rest of the world on somewhat equal terms. Look at the way they are playing India against China in many areas compared to how it is China all the way in Pak. .. That shows lots of confidence in their own abilities and keen sense of business which allows them to extract the best value from whatever resources they have..

The moment PCB acknowledges the ground realities and realizes it cannot through their weight around with BD anymore, then they will start working with them on equal footing. Same with AFG, they don't have to depend on PCB for anything (neither does PCB on AFG). SO all these are independent boards and PCB will have to deal with them keeping their egos aside. when they do that they can have a working Asian group willing to work with them. I am sure SL and BD would like to play safe and have a counterweight for BCCI in Asia. Traditionally it was PCB who could have taken up that role but by the way BD is growing financially they might take it up or at least be on equal footing with Pak which will reduce the counterweight unless Pak/BD cosy up..
 
Hate to say this, but don’t think Zimbabwe touring would help our long term objective much. We had them tour two years ago and it didn’t really convince many teams to come to Pakistan.

Zimbabwe would be a pointless tour. It won't convince top teams to come.

You're free to think it's pointless but I answered the question in the OP which is "which team do you think should ideally tour Pakistan next?" Seeing as we are supposed to play them in June anyway, they seem the most possible to be the NEXT team to tour as no other team has space in their calendars.
 
I'd say ourselves simply because our perception as a western "white" team touring successfully would likely do much more to convince SA, England NZ or Aus to tour than SL or Zimbabwe.
 
Irrespective of the opponent, PCB should schedule a full tour consisting of Test, ODI & T20i.
 
Bangladesh, South Africa or Zimbabwe (if they can't host us this summer due to financial problems) for a 3 match ODI series.

We've had plenty of T20Is already.

South Africa will never tour Pakistan, Lorgat made that clear (before he was later shown the door). In any case I can't see CSA softening their stance. Recently a South African was killed in a blast in Pakistan and the nation is still reeling.

If Sri Lanka and Bangladesh tour for a month long series twice without any scandals, then maybe. But that's a big if.
 
I'd say ourselves simply because our perception as a western "white" team touring successfully would likely do much more to convince SA, England NZ or Aus to tour than SL or Zimbabwe.

Would the Irish be willing to tour there?
 
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I'd say ourselves simply because our perception as a western "white" team touring successfully would likely do much more to convince SA, England NZ or Aus to tour than SL or Zimbabwe.

Actually I wouldn't mind Ireland touring Pakistan. Would benefit both teams.
 
You're free to think it's pointless but I answered the question in the OP which is "which team do you think should ideally tour Pakistan next?" Seeing as we are supposed to play them in June anyway, they seem the most possible to be the NEXT team to tour as no other team has space in their calendars.

A garbage team like ZImbabwe isn't really worth shutting down entire cities nor is it worth the expense.
 
Ireland & Scotland. Both of them need fixtures. Pakistan wants cricket at home and a white European team touring Pakistan can convince atleast South Africa & New Zealand to tour. Ireland & Scotland touring Pakistan will be win-win for everyone

Also expect Pakistan to host Nepal & Zimbabwe as well
 
South Africa will never tour Pakistan, Lorgat made that clear (before he was later shown the door). In any case I can't see CSA softening their stance. Recently a South African was killed in a blast in Pakistan and the nation is still reeling.

If Sri Lanka and Bangladesh tour for a month long series twice without any scandals, then maybe. But that's a big if.

when did that happen? any links?
 
A garbage team like ZImbabwe isn't really worth shutting down entire cities nor is it worth the expense.

You guys just shut down city for WI team which was worse than a full strength Zimbabwe team
 
Ireland & Scotland. Both of them need fixtures. Pakistan wants cricket at home and a white European team touring Pakistan can convince atleast South Africa & New Zealand to tour. Ireland & Scotland touring Pakistan will be win-win for everyone

Also expect Pakistan to host Nepal & Zimbabwe as well

Unlikely to convince NZ. There was a bomb blast outside their hotel in Karachi last time they toured and they abandoned that tour.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=1844136

Touring Ireland and Scotland might convince England though and ECB board chief is sympathetic towards PCB. ECB also would love to see a strong PCB to counter BCCI. So they might send their team. If they do that then they will mostly let the players choose whether to tour or not the same way they did when they toured BD
 
Would the Irish be willing to tour there?

Boards have a good relationship. Always been good friends. I was sceptical before but after four successful tours, assuming security remains at this level and there are no major terrorist incidents, I would support it.

3 ODI's and a Test would be fantastic, even though we would get royally slaugthered.
 
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Would love to see either SA or Bangladesh coming in for a mini tour like 3 ODI's and 2 T20is.
But seeing how CSA didn't provide an NOC to JP Duminy for the final, makes it clear that their board is reluctant, and is willing to do anything to get some financial security alongwith favourable ties with BCCI for the sake of their own cricket and their plans to launch Global T20 league.

I would like to see Zim come over for a Test match, followed by Bangladesh for 3 ODI's and SA for 3 T20is or vice versa.
 
Most ppers never get the mindset of bd/bd people/bcb in regarding of touring Pakistan.

True, but it has other side of the coin as well.

PAK is almost like my 2nd team, but not PCB. I won't support any bilateral with PAK, unless the next tour is in BD and it's at least an identical tour, that's - 2 Tests, 3 ODIs & 3 T20Is - let alone touring PAK. Until then, we can meet in ICC events and I am perfectly OK with boys playing Dhaka League or Corporate League for 3 months, instead of playing PAK even in UAE.

It's not any status co, neither ego issue, but fools at PCB time and again has sold dummy for cheap claps from their people at the expense of BCB, which needs to be stopped and it needs to be stopped in a way that Yaad rahe. This is absolute hypocrisy for PCB's part that they are threatening BCCI, taking to Court for not fulfilling tour commitment and then calling off BD tour without any instigation or valid reason.

BCB called players for camp in 2012 & I know that from 2 players, but that tour was always subject to Court clearance as PAK was listed among top of "No go" list that time (I knowit from people attending that specific meeting) - Zaka Ashraf sold PAK media half of the story, clipping "Subject to ....." part. Then this time, BCB was ready to send development squad to PAK as well .........

This guy Sethi is full of hot air, with a loose valve - screw needs to be tighten this time. PAK people forget loud mouth promises too early - for example, today is April 6th, and I haven't seen anything regarding the Asian Emerging Cup - and I am sure none is going to ask him about it point blank.
 
I hope it is not the bd team they don.t need us we don.t need them it doesnot need to write the whole script after every few hours
 
India aint touring Pakistan anytime soon, not in next 5 years at least. Modi wont commit political suicide.

India isn’t even playing bilaterals with Pakistan, and here you’re thinking they will tour them?
And yet, Modi himself went to meet Sharif unannounced .

You cannot predict political moves. India can tour Pakistan out of the blue. It is all vote bank politics.
 
And yet, Modi himself went to meet Sharif unannounced .

You cannot predict political moves. India can tour Pakistan out of the blue. It is all vote bank politics.

Modi’s arrival in Pakistan was indeed sudden, as he tried to show some good gesture. However, in recent times India have even refused to send its members to SAARC conference in Pakistan. A brief (few hrs) stop over by Modi under huge security is not same as team staying in Pakistan and playing series.
 
Won't happen - and no politics here, simple business logic tells that. Going back, 2015 PAK tour to BD was PAK's home series - PCB was reluctant to arrange it in UAE, so it was hosted by BCB and PCB was compensated - case closed.

2017 Series was BCB's home series and it was pre-scheduled, accepted as well. And, that tour had only 3 ODIs (just in case if I take that PCB was hesitant for a loss could have forced PAK to WC qualifiers - even 3-0, doesn't pull PAK down to 9th ranking spot by 30 SEP), 3 T20s & 2 Tests. There was absolutely no reason for PAK to decline that tour - I read, it cost BCB over $12mn.

I know BCB people more than anyone here - these are Awami League crooks, but they are business men, can see the color of money. They'll talk everything against PAK or it's cricket team on media, but would hesitate for a single moment to host PAK, because it comes with sweetener - and BCB smells money better than PCB. For a record, you can check - BCB voted against BCCI in the ICC revenue sharing debate - simple maths was, irritating BCCI is a loss of may be an average 3 ODI every year; but going against ICC means irritating entire cricket world - BCCI won't send it's team every year and sponsors won't fill BCB's pocket to see Shardul Thakurs .....

This is an imbalanced cricket economy where almost every country is bullied by BCCI. One example is IPL - they are paying in total 64 foreigners from 10-12 countries to block 2 months of every cricket (hence drying up media money for every one), and then paying $1.5mn to Unadkot. If you check the IPL payment structure - it's basically pampering few top foreigners (so that they keeps their board in check) and rest are all Indian players. Many IPL foreigners are actually getting less than $100K (less than PSL or BPL) - but, IPL is smart; paying Smith, Warner, Strac, AB, Stokes, Gayles, Maxi, Shakib, Gayle, Pollard, Lynn, Guptil, Williamson, Faf, Kok, Johny, Morgan ....... out of anyone's reach and these players will force their board to keep low profile. Which means, over 90% of IPL salary is kept in IND (& I believe foreigners are paid in INR), but they are keeping over 95% of non Indian players jobless for 2 months.

HOWEVER, I can't complain against that - because of fools like PCB. In this current contest, where apart from ECB, more or less every Board is bullied by BCCI, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT RESULTS IN COLLATERAL DAMAGE. Every other board (may be apart from CA & ECB who has tied knots with BCCI for exchange series almost every year), has to maximize whatever they can make playing within themselves. In that environment, PCB's call to cancel BD tour for a silly issue was shooting at own feet.

For 2 months, only 2 BD player will be in IPL, none from PAK - it was quite possible to arrange a 7/8 game series for ODI & T20 in UAE or BD (or even in PAK!!) in a revenue sharing model - money won't have been like an IND tour, but still enough to cover the expenses for a profit, added benefit was game (s) for players, which could have ended in a BD tour of PAK just before or after next PSL. Add to that Junior tours, PSL/BPL series, exchange of A Teams, developments teams, joint player development programs ...

Sadly, it won't happen now, because I know BCB better than anyone - they are not dependent on PAK series be at home or away, no reason for them to cooperate with PCB after that U turn (for PCB's biggest challenge - home tours) - they'll ask PAK for the home series first before any further commitment and Nazam Sethi isn't going to coil his tail to say sorry - Galti ho gaya tha .... so, it's a closed loop - BD & PAK players will enjoy at least 2/3 months paid vacation every year now, when others will be playing against each others and not necessarily against IND only.

At certain point, BCB will have to bend in front of BCCI, because money is sweet and BCB has to run it's operation - no point keeping the highest payer at distant when the closer ones are not cooperating. Knowing BCCI/GoI, I am sure they'll put an unofficial clause of boycotting PAK from BD Cricket, may be including BPL/PSL player exchange - I would have done so for sure, it's a shadow war.

They say, history repeats itself - may be this is not the first time PAK & it's hierarchy set the bed for Indians to sneak in & screw PAK's interest.

I sincerely hope, I am proven wrong here in quicker than I expected.

What you are saying about IPL salaries is wrong..out of 64 or 65 foreign players, only 7 or 8 of them are paid less than $100k..and these are mostly new comers...rest 85-90% of foreign players are paid well...
 
Less focus on T20is, more on tests and ODIs:

1. Bangladesh.
2. Ireland.
3. South Africa would be ideal, but that can come a bit later.
 
Has to be South Africa.

Faf, Amla, Morkel, Miller, Tahir have already toured as part of World 11 squad. No reason why they cannot convince their board and team mates to come over for a short series.
 
True, but it has other side of the coin as well.

PAK is almost like my 2nd team, but not PCB. I won't support any bilateral with PAK, unless the next tour is in BD and it's at least an identical tour, that's - 2 Tests, 3 ODIs & 3 T20Is - let alone touring PAK. Until then, we can meet in ICC events and I am perfectly OK with boys playing Dhaka League or Corporate League for 3 months, instead of playing PAK even in UAE.

It's not any status co, neither ego issue, but fools at PCB time and again has sold dummy for cheap claps from their people at the expense of BCB, which needs to be stopped and it needs to be stopped in a way that Yaad rahe. This is absolute hypocrisy for PCB's part that they are threatening BCCI, taking to Court for not fulfilling tour commitment and then calling off BD tour without any instigation or valid reason.

BCB called players for camp in 2012 & I know that from 2 players, but that tour was always subject to Court clearance as PAK was listed among top of "No go" list that time (I knowit from people attending that specific meeting) - Zaka Ashraf sold PAK media half of the story, clipping "Subject to ....." part. Then this time, BCB was ready to send development squad to PAK as well .........

This guy Sethi is full of hot air, with a loose valve - screw needs to be tighten this time. PAK people forget loud mouth promises too early - for example, today is April 6th, and I haven't seen anything regarding the Asian Emerging Cup - and I am sure none is going to ask him about it point blank.

Asian Emerging Cup got postponed as both India and Bangladesh are not ready to send their teams to Pakistan. Which Is unfortunate.
 
What you are saying about IPL salaries is wrong..out of 64 or 65 foreign players, only 7 or 8 of them are paid less than $100k..and these are mostly new comers...rest 85-90% of foreign players are paid well...

I wrote that after cross checking data, which you didn't. Comparing a wage cap of $12mn, make a frequency distribution on wage, you should see the picture - $100K was just a bench mark I used for the post. Another interesting point is - foreigners are often paid at a comparative price of their cricket economy (their board's central contract) - that's evident in relatively higher price for ENG & AUS players.
 
Asian Emerging Cup got postponed as both India and Bangladesh are not ready to send their teams to Pakistan. Which Is unfortunate.

His initial roar didn't cover the "unfortunate" part, which is unfortunate.
 
I wrote that after cross checking data, which you didn't. Comparing a wage cap of $12mn, make a frequency distribution on wage, you should see the picture - $100K was just a bench mark I used for the post. Another interesting point is - foreigners are often paid at a comparative price of their cricket economy (their board's central contract) - that's evident in relatively higher price for ENG & AUS players.

Not really. It completely depends on the strategies of the teams and the demand for a particular player. Tymal Mills or Jofra Archer got million dollar contracts despite having no central contract. Narine, Russell, Pollard, Gayle have all been IPL millionaires and they are also 'foreigners'.

Lets look team wise

1. KKR - Narine ($1.9 m), Lynn ($1.5 m), Russell ($1.3 m), Starc ($1.5 m)
2. SRH - Warner (1.9 m), Rashid Khan (1.4 m), Williamson ($0.5 m)
3. DD - Morris ($1.7 m), Maxwell ($1.4 mil), Rabada ($0.65 m)
4. Kings 11 - Tye ($1.1m), Finch ($1 m), Stoinis ($1 m), Mujeeb ($0.6 m), Miller - ($0.5 m)
5. RCB - AB ($1.7 m), Woakes ($1.2 m), McCullum ($0.6 m), DeKock ($0.4 m)
6. MI - Pollard ($0.8 m), Cummins ($0.8m), Lewis ($0.6m), Cutting ($0.3 m)
7.RR - Stokes ($1.9 m), Smith ($1.9 m), Archer ($1.1 m), Buttler ($0.7m), Short ($0.6m)
8. CSK - Bravo ($1 m), Watson ($0.6 m)

Nearly $40 million on these named players alone (out of total salary caps of 96 mil across these 8 teams)!
 
The unfortunate answer to this question is that the PCB has to take what it can get. They are still in no position to dictate terms, despite the bluster of Sethi, Sarfraz and most of PP.

The decision of whether who they can attract makes a financially viable tour needs to be re-addressed. At this point, bringing anyone will sustain momentum. That could be worth a short term financial hit....depending on numbers and budget.

Lose that momentum, and you are back to square one. 6 months down the line, we will be back on the phone to the WICB offering financial incentives to players to tour.

I don't know why its so hard for some people to accept reality. 3 T20's after 10 years, and now people want countries who have not toured Pakistan for 20 years to suddenly turn up.

There is only one country which 1) if they tour, have the potential to change perceptions very quickly, and 2) are capable of actually suddenly deciding to tour. And that's our friend in the East.
 
England would be THE statement side but that is very, very unlikely for 2 or 3 years more. Howeevr, the PCB needs to carry on building strong relationships with CSA, SL and the WICB, organising regular home and away tours.

I think SL is the most likely scenario as many of their current and former players have voiced positivity about touring Pak. A 3 test, 3 ODI, 3 T20 series in 2019 would be perfect.
 
Pakistan playing Aus and Nz later this year.
Aus wont come and everyone knows that, what about Nz T20I series in Pak or only one T20I in Pakistan just like SL series last year, i think that can be tried and is realistic
 
SA for sure is on the cards followed by NZ.

If we can get SL,WI, SA,NZ on the roster then England will follow.
 
I wrote that after cross checking data, which you didn't. Comparing a wage cap of $12mn, make a frequency distribution on wage, you should see the picture - $100K was just a bench mark I used for the post. Another interesting point is - foreigners are often paid at a comparative price of their cricket economy (their board's central contract) - that's evident in relatively higher price for ENG & AUS players.

You are wrong again..I did cross check initially and rebutted your point that most foreigners are paid less than 100k..Should I now list the 54 or 55 foreigners who make over 100k...now you are coming up with another dumb statement that foreigners are paid relative to their cricket economy...that's wrong too...Rashid Khan and other Afghan players get well paid even better than Bangladesh players..In fact Rashid makes more than 4 times of Shakib at Hyderabad..most Windies players are expensive compared to their cricket economy...In the past too,Lankans like malinga mahela mathews were all paid around a million dollars each..the point is franchisees come well prepared for auctions and they know how much each player is worth..sometimes there will be rare instances like unadkat ..but that happens in an auction...Otherwise mostly player's skills abilities and performance make a franchise bid for a player...
 
A garbage team like ZImbabwe isn't really worth shutting down entire cities nor is it worth the expense.

I'm not saying if it's worth it. The key word in the OP is "next" and I think they are the most likely/possible team to come next.
 
[MENTION=143706]Oxfordchamp[/MENTION], [MENTION=45053]cricketindiafan[/MENTION]

Both of you are correct, I agree more or less; but still the initial argument is valid - paying 64 players can't stop cricket outside India for 10 weeks, which is basically clubbing every bit of cricket money to one basket. And, that's happening for the other boards' incompetence and lack of initiatives.

It's not new in sports that players leaving national duty for club commitments. Previously PAK & WI players skipped National duty (even Test) for County season; English players have skipped winter tour to subcontinent for Cricket in AUS/SAF. In soccer, often Latin, Asian & African players skip friendlies during season - but it's unique situation in cricket. PAK cricket is hurt most because none of their players play IPL and their Board is busy in digging holes rather than filling it.
 
Ideally (not likely) it would be India as nothing beats a good old pak-India takra, but that isn't happening anytime soon so South Africa most likely.
 
after the sandpaper gate, australia is down low in morale, spirit, eyes of world, and the game performances.... i say pcb should dare invite them, this way we get aussies in here to open the flood gates for cricket comeback... and aussies can get a much needed goodwill in showing that they are nice humble and care for the game, they have to fix their image/brand... and they have a good chance of defeating us too... a par and exciting series.... pcb go for it...
 
Less focus on T20is, more on tests and ODIs:

1. Bangladesh.
2. Ireland.
3. South Africa would be ideal, but that can come a bit later.

the only cricket which brings some people to stadium in Pak is T20is.. if full time cricket returns to Pak and once the novelty wears off you will see it..
 
[MENTION=143706]Oxfordchamp[/MENTION], [MENTION=45053]cricketindiafan[/MENTION]

Both of you are correct, I agree more or less; but still the initial argument is valid - paying 64 players can't stop cricket outside India for 10 weeks, which is basically clubbing every bit of cricket money to one basket. And, that's happening for the other boards' incompetence and lack of initiatives.

It's not new in sports that players leaving national duty for club commitments. Previously PAK & WI players skipped National duty (even Test) for County season; English players have skipped winter tour to subcontinent for Cricket in AUS/SAF. In soccer, often Latin, Asian & African players skip friendlies during season - but it's unique situation in cricket. PAK cricket is hurt most because none of their players play IPL and their Board is busy in digging holes rather than filling it.

64 players is full four international squad.. knowing that most of them will make it to their first choice XI it is more like five or six international team. How do you expect to see any competitive cricket with that many missing from the scene? You cannot work against the market dynamics.. mighty countries have tried and failed.. Also once IPL expands, which it will inevitable do in next few years, number of players participating will also increase drawing even more quality players from home boards in that IPL window. So honestly resistance in this case is futile.. But my original point still holds, some countries like Pak, BD, SL, Ireland, Scotland, Zimbabwe who are not well represented (sometimes none) should get together and play.. If other boards don't want to go against BCCI, there is nothing stopping PCB from doing it.. they are already in the bad books of BCCI. what more can BCCI do?
 
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