Which team should get credit for throwing India out of T20 World Cup?

[Devadwal]

Why are you always so much off topic?
But just in case, Pakistan has reached semis 5 times IN T20 world cups and India 3 times.
Overall, we have done much better than you in T20 world cups.
Not to mention, you won the least important one, the one no one really took seriously.
Thanks for organizing this world cup still!

We have reach 11th times in WC semi finals while Pakistan 10th time .we won 2WC ,1WT20 ,2CT ,World Championship of Cricket (1985) ,Runner up of WTC( 2021) ,so many times won test mace .

Pakistan - 1WC ,1WT20 ,1CT

So who's won more you can decide yourself

 

[pakistani pride]

The loss to Pak really hit them hard. It was a big blow and then to see Pak win 3 out of 3 didnt help either, while they had to wait 7 days...

 

[Mobashir]

We have reach 11th times in WC semi finals while Pakistan 10th time .we won 2WC ,1WT20 ,2CT ,World Championship of Cricket (1985) ,Runner up of WTC( 2021) ,so many times won test mace .

Pakistan - 1WC ,1WT20 ,1CT

So who's won more you can decide yourself

You have lost it and I can understand it. The heat of the moment is not helping you think clearly.

I said Pakistan has done better than India in T20 world cups. If you agree fine. If you disagree you can bring in some t20 facts. But what you do? Bring in ODI'S...

 

[jawwada]

basically every team in the group. First Pakistan beat them, then New Zealand, then Afghanistan did not beat newzealand. Also Scotland and Namibia played poorly against Pakistan and New Zealand and did not beat them. Except India, every team participated in the conspiracy to throw them out

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

basically every team in the group. First Pakistan beat them, then New Zealand, then Afghanistan did not beat newzealand. Also Scotland and Namibia played poorly against Pakistan and New Zealand and did not beat them. Except India, every team participated in the conspiracy to throw them out

You are on to something here.

To quote Sunil Gavaskar's immortal words: "IPL biggest domestic tournament in world, even World Cups look insipid in front of it"

 

[Ozeirk]

India got a "phainta" from Pakistan which disoriented them for the rest of the tournament.

The Indian media, cricket experts and veteran players were rating Pakistan below Scotland and Namibia. They got so arrogant that they put India in the group with pakistan thinking they will get a great win against Pakistan and end up winning the worldcup.

Where they went wrong is not understanding Pakistan had become a different beast under the leadership of Babar Azam and players such as Rizwan, Shaheen, Fakhar, Haris Rauf were hitting their career peaks. Pakistan team was under the radar due to lack to international matches however silently the domestic T20 competition and PSL were giving them the ingredients to become a great side.

 

[shamaan]

Pakistan mentally tortured India

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Indian team itself

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Indian team itself

You are taking the credit away from opposition. Once again you are not unbiased.

 

[cricket4all]

It’s a bit of an obvious one that credit to the New Zealand and Pakistan for hammering India and knocking them out. Indians may say it’s their own doing which is the case for any team losing. The opposition still have to play good to win, and if what they up against is of poor quality, mentally week or an out of form team then that’s not there (Pakistan and New Zealand’s ) fault.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

You are taking the credit away from opposition. Once again you are not unbiased.

Pakistan and New Zealand played extremely well no doubt. But Indians were under pressure from ball one for no reasons. Players body langauge tells the whole story .They were mentally lost even before the game started.

 

[cricket4all]

Pakistan and New Zealand played extremely well no doubt. But Indians were under pressure from ball one for no reasons. Players body langauge tells the whole story .They were mentally lost even before the game started.

That maybe true to an extent but still excuses. Whenever a team loses heavily it’s because of their flaws and the opposition were better.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan and New Zealand played extremely well no doubt. But Indians were under pressure from ball one for no reasons. Players body langauge tells the whole story .They were mentally lost even before the game started.

Why were Indian players under pressure?

 

[Runner Up]

Forget about team. Those two balls of Shaheen Shah Afridi made the difference. By the time India recovered from that loss it was already too late for them. So yeah #JustTwoBalls

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan.

That Pakistan game was probably the catalyst.

 

[Vidwan Nath]

IPL INEFFICIENTPERFORMANCES LEAGUE
Did you all notice how all the so called stars of the Inefficient Performances League failed miserably after all the pre tournament HYPE.

Look who is talking.. fan of a team that even lost to Zimbabwe.. srilanka thrashed them to hell.. and these miserable guys mocking ipl and indian team.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Look who is talking.. fan of a team that even lost to Zimbabwe.. srilanka thrashed them to hell.. and these miserable guys mocking ipl and indian team.

Shouldn't this hurt us more because the team that lost to Zimbabwe gave us the beating of a lifetime on 24th October 2021? They can mock IPL because IPL fans also used to mock teams like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh. It's a two-way street.

 

[srh]

In my opinion I would give credit to NZ for throwing us out of this world cup. Which team in your opinion should get the credit and why?

True.
Match against Pakistan was their first match and so they can be a bit excused for losing it.
But they knew before the match against New Zealand that they have to win this match to go to semi-final and they still get hammered by New Zealand. So New Zealand should get credit for throwing them out.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

True.
Match against Pakistan was their first match and so they can be a bit excused for losing it.
But they knew before the match against New Zealand that they have to win this match to go to semi-final and they still get hammered by New Zealand. So New Zealand should get credit for throwing them out.

NZ threw us out of 2019 ODI World Cup.
NZ won WTC final against us.
And now NZ have also thrown us out of T20 World Cup.

NZ did this within a span of 3 years against the greatest team of all time. [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

 

[KingKhan12]

Look who is talking.. fan of a team that even lost to Zimbabwe.. srilanka thrashed them to hell.. and these miserable guys mocking ipl and indian team.

And like India never lost to Zimbabwe. And recent series India played Sri Lanka in T20s Sri Lanka beat them so No issues le lo tissue. Love how 152-0 hurts you and will always. Arrogance gets you no where. It's not mocking some do like you have ourself and majority have been doing all the time now when someone talks back you can't take it. Don't cry.

 

[Cricket_fan_2021]

Pakistan of course.
New Zealand was just final nail in the coffin but the way Pakistan handed indians their behind on a platter, completely destroyed them.

 

[Cricket_fan_2021]

This! Those two balls especially the the one to KL Rahul DESTROYED not only the stumps but their minds too

 

[shamaan]

Look who is talking.. fan of a team that even lost to Zimbabwe.. srilanka thrashed them to hell.. and these miserable guys mocking ipl and indian team.

They need to be mocked for the disgraceful performance.

 

[Thanos]

Both Pak and NZ. I mean if India had won against any one of them, would have been playing semis. (Obviously)
But it depends on individuals how they look at it.

Still if I've to pick one then it would be NZ. Because by the time Ind-NZ match was played, Pak had already qualified for semis.
Ind vs NZ was like quarter final. Everyone knew that winner of Ind-NZ will play semis.
So it was NZ who kicked India out of the race.

 

[Vidwan Nath]

And like India never lost to Zimbabwe. And recent series India played Sri Lanka in T20s Sri Lanka beat them so No issues le lo tissue. Love how 152-0 hurts you and will always. Arrogance gets you no where. It's not mocking some do like you have ourself and majority have been doing all the time now when someone talks back you can't take it. Don't cry.

Ha ha.. nice try.. did u watch india srilanka series?.. do u remeber our playing eleven for the last 2 matches.. we were and we are the more superior side.. i am not arrogant , i was just replying to an arrogant post from an arrogant fan.

 

[Sunzi]

India's schedule will have undoubtedly contributed to their poor tournament.

Pakistan's victory will have shaken them - the WC record being broken (in such a comprehensive manner too) will have shattered that swagger/arrogance of invincibility they have shown against us (for good reason; we had never beaten then before) until said match.

Against NZ they were already behind the 8-ball because of Pak. This group was always a 3 for 2 places + an outside AFG threat.

 

[Rajdeep]

Don't think any team gets credit for throwing India out of world cup. Its quiet evident that you win toss and win the match here. India lost toss in both the crucial matches and lost both of the games. Just like how Eng lost yesterday after losing the toss and Pakistan today. Its impossible to defend a target here. Van Der Dussen chased an impossible target against Pakistan even in one of the warm up games under dew.

 

[Mahee]

this win-toss-win-match world cup has been really embarrassing...it is all luck that's required....not the talent and skill...to win the matches in this WC.

 

[Devadwal]

What about no travel, playing in cool night breezes, having last matches at end so that in case India knows what to chase etc. Negates the toss right

How are you ,hope you doing well. Win the toss ,win the match . isn't it true?

 

[pillionrider]

NZ threw us out of 2019 ODI World Cup.
NZ won WTC final against us.
And now NZ have also thrown us out of T20 World Cup.

NZ did this within a span of 3 years against the greatest team of all time.

So I'm guessing that's the reason you'll be supporting NZ and not Australia in the finals )

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION]
Threads like these always pop up when Pakistan beat India once in a blue moon.

Now let me take you through what's gonna happen in the next few months :

India meets Pakistan in Asia cup, beats the hell out of them two times in a row and establishes the fact that they are a much superior team.

Next.

India meets Pakistan in WT20 22 in Aus and yet again pulverizes them and bring the Pakistani awaam back to planet earth and then we will see threads like " was Wt20 win a fluke"etc popping up on Pakpassion

This is exactly what happened after CT 17 when Pakistan thought they have come up with a generation defining team or a new era, the difference between Indian and Pakistan team is still quite big and that's gonna show up in the coming months.
As of now, people can rejoice over their semifinals exit (maybe it's a big achievement for them).

 

[Gullycricket]

How are you ,hope you doing well. Win the toss ,win the match . isn't it true?

Were in the game right untill end. Not like 152-0 or 110 against NZ. Toss played no role here. Catch drops and missed runouts did

 

[dravidthewall]

Australia

 

[MP2011]

India's schedule will have undoubtedly contributed to their poor tournament.

For that too we have only ourselves to blame, no one else.

 

[Pollack]

Were in the game right untill end. Not like 152-0 or 110 against NZ. Toss played no role here. Catch drops and missed runouts did

Catches were dropped by Australia too. Warner was not out. It all evens out in the end. But what cannot even out is having to bowl second where pitch gets relatively much easier to bat as match progresses. Toss is the boss. Surely India played bad even for batting first against NZ. But against Pakistan they recovered. They gave a below par total which can be made amatch out of But not win it. But there was too much dew that day. The reason why they could not pick even one wicket.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION]
Threads like these always pop up when Pakistan beat India once in a blue moon.

Now let me take you through what's gonna happen in the next few months :

India meets Pakistan in Asia cup, beats the hell out of them two times in a row and establishes the fact that they are a much superior team.

Next.

India meets Pakistan in WT20 22 in Aus and yet again pulverizes them and bring the Pakistani awaam back to planet earth and then we will see threads like " was Wt20 win a fluke"etc popping up on Pakpassion

This is exactly what happened after CT 17 when Pakistan thought they have come up with a generation defining team or a new era, the difference between Indian and Pakistan team is still quite big and that's gonna show up in the coming months.
As of now, people can rejoice over their semifinals exit (maybe it's a big achievement for them).

Look who is back. You are still crying about India's loss against Pakistan whereas I am giving credit to NZ for stopping India from winning the ICC trophy once again.

India meeting Pakistan in Asia Cup and beating them won't change the fact that we lost against Pakistan in this World Cup. Streak is over. Stop crying and getting hurt. Fans like you were also quite sure that we will give Pakistan the beating of their lifetime in this world cup but opposite happened.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

LMAO some of my fellow indian fans are trying too hard to justify that it was due to toss we lost against Pakistan and New Zealand. Giving absolutely no credit to NZ or Pak. Sore losers are back after Pakistan crashed out of World Cup. And some of them wanted Pakistan to win this world cup. )

 

[RamLakhan]

You have lost it and I can understand it. The heat of the moment is not helping you think clearly.

I said Pakistan has done better than India in T20 world cups. If you agree fine. If you disagree you can bring in some t20 facts. But what you do? Bring in ODI'S...

Pakistan takes T20s seriously and they have formed a pretty good unit for playing it! India usually doesn't bother about T20s (and prefer IPL). Most times they rest/rotate main players. So they will never form a proper playing unit (for International T20) who can combat against any team in any venue! (But still they have done well in bilateral T20 series once they understand the same opposition & assess the conditions in spite of rotating players)

On the other hand India takes the "main" International Format very very seriously these days (Tests). As long as they do that we (fans) have no issues. Yes we will accept the defeat in WTC Finals & feel sad about it, but we are happy about the overall performance in this format! But in all fairness next WTC Finals should be played at a different venue (other than England) or at least a different opposition other than NZ/Eng (which is not in anybody's hands & also unlikely because they are the teams in form for coming years!) But we will prepare for the challenge next time if it continues to be so!

Still if India is mocked for accepting the challenge & losing it, then we can only feel pity about such people, and also for bringing out new possible excuses if by chance India wins after winning the toss/some opposition player is injured, etc!

I know we should not mix different formats, but just saying... I hope BCCI will finally understand what is T20 cricket (and how IPL can help it) and they should look to build a separate team for International T20s with players who consistently play for that format (only that format, basically youngsters) and who don't have the burden/baggage & mental/physical strain/fatigue of playing different formats! BCCI can easily form 3 different teams for 3 different formats (and even 3 different captains!), this is the way to look forward for future. Otherwise let's assume India/BCCI doesn't bother about T20Is (but it hurts us the fans for sure! Because we can definitely do better)

Anyways it so happens that even top teams miss out due to tactical errors (I still think that West Indies & Australia were way stronger teams compared to Pakistan & England in 1992 world cup, but they missed out on the knockout race!) It happens... (and there are various reasons for that)

 

[globalcitizen]

I think it's better to put this at rest. India had their chances but did not capitalise and did not deserve a final spot. Kohli was perfect in his assessment that India were not brave enough

We just saw how they played when they had no fear of losing and that should be strategy going forward in t20s. But for team balance still India miss a bowling all-rounder and will be very difficult for next world cup as well.

 

[MP2011]

Where I live in Delhi, I definitely heard crackers being burst which I think was in poor taste.

 

[pillionrider]

LMAO some of my fellow indian fans are trying too hard to justify that it was due to toss we lost against Pakistan and New Zealand. Giving absolutely no credit to NZ or Pak. Sore losers are back after Pakistan crashed out of World Cup. And some of them wanted Pakistan to win this world cup. )

The only Indian poster who wanted Pakistan to win the World Cup was you. So not sure what you're on about...

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Where I live in Delhi, I definitely heard crackers being burst which I think was in poor taste.

Pretty sure it was due to Karwa chauth because I started hearing it as soon as Pakistan inning started. It was raining heavily in Delhi on 24th October.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The only Indian poster who wanted Pakistan to win the World Cup was you. So not sure what you're on about...

Oh so finally I am an Indian now? Once again you are putting words in my mouth. I clearly said I want NZ to win the world cup and you quoted that post too. Now I am not sure what you are on about? You are coming across as an attention seeker. Running out of ideas?

 

[transparent opacity]

I think it was predominantly the defeat against Pakistan that should be credited for India's exit.
The defeat itself isn't the issue but the manner of the defeat was something India did not expect in its wildest of dreams.

 

[MP2011]

Pretty sure it was due to Karwa chauth because I started hearing it as soon as Pakistan inning started. It was raining heavily in Delhi on 24th October.

You didn't get me.

I noticed that after Pakistan vs Australia SF and not Indo-Pak game.

 

[Zerotohero]

Looks like OP is happy ...using words like throwing out.. normally we day knocked out. Again acting like an Indian, good strategy bro ...works every time in PP

 

[globalcitizen]

I like how pakistan fans are gloating that they caused India to go out. But it's so obvious that it was New Zealand

India could have still qualified by beating NZ but they were denied
Again NZ had to win against Afg and they did it and kept India out

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Looks like OP is happy ...using words like throwing out.. normally we day knocked out. Again acting like an Indian, good strategy bro ...works every time in PP

Mr Zero, whether OP is happy, sad or excited is not the topic of this thread. OP asked a question if you don't have answer to that question then kindly do not post in this thread. Also strategy of acting like an Indian doesn't work here. That is why yours truly has been an active member of PP for more than 8 years now.