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Which trio will you select - Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins or Bumrah, Ishant and Shami?

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Considering the wicket is neither Australian nor Indian but played at some other venue like SA or ENG or say on some non helpful wickets like UAE or SL.which trio gets a nod?
 
May not be intentional, but to me feels a bit like premature chest thumping thread. Better to wait till the end of the series before asking such qiestions.
 
To be honest, Starc was not bowling well, but Aus as unit bowled very well to Indians.

Indian trio can challenge them in future, but I will go with Aus trio at this moment. Bumrah has been a fantastic addition to Indian bowling side, but his sample size is low.

This series will tell us more about Indian pace attack. So far they have done a very good job.
 
Hope you turn up at the end of the series which we would have somehow managed to lose 1-3. ::J
 
Buffet said:
To be honest, Starc was not bowling well, but Aus as unit bowled very well to Indians.

Indian trio can challenge them in future, but I will go with Aus trio at this moment. Bumrah has been a fantastic addition to Indian bowling side, but his sample size is low.

This series will tell us more about Indian pace attack. So far they have done a very good job.
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Indian pace attack is good, we already saw that in RSA and Eng. However, without Warner and Smith it's really no big deal bowling Aus out. England blanked them 5-0 in ODI recently.
 
Thats why I mentioned on non Australian and non Indian wickets, no relation with this series. If we assume the case for some neutral venue like SA or NZ?
 
KP From India said:
Thats why I mentioned on non Australian and non Indian wickets, no relation with this series. If we assume the case for some neutral venue like SA or NZ?
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The Australian trio, if they still had Mitchell Johnson, it would been pretty devastating bowling attack to be honest in NZ conditions.
 
BDfanforever said:
Indian pace attack is good, we already saw that in RSA and Eng. However, without Warner and Smith it's really no big deal bowling Aus out. England blanked them 5-0 in ODI recently.
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I doubt that Indians pacers will do better than Aus pacers if other pitches are flat in Aus. In flat Aus pitches, Aus pacers should out bowl Indian pacers.
 
Indian pace attack is overrated, current Australian batting line up is worst than 90’s Zimbabwe team. Aussies pace attack is Bitcoin and Indian Pace attack is Nucleus Vision (Ncash). There is a huge difference
 
lmao.

Who in their right mind would pick Bumrah, Ishant, Sham?
 
3 Aus pacers are ranked 6, 11 and 18.

3 Indian pacers are ranked 23, 27 and 38.


The worst ranked Aus pacer is ranked ahead of the best ranked Indian right now.
 
Buffet said:
3 Aus pacers are ranked 6, 11 and 18.

3 Indian pacers are ranked 23, 27 and 38.


The worst ranked Aus pacer is ranked ahead of the best ranked Indian right now.
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Huge difference in quality of the two attacks.
 
Misread this.
I logged on to say Hazelwood, Cummins and Bumrah would be my 3 man combo from the 6.
Would definitely go with the Australian trio.
Hazelwood and Cummins are outstanding.
 
Heard Mike Clarke commentating that Indian pacers form the 2nd best performing pace squad (after SA) since 2015.
 
Hazlewood Cummins and Starc any day

Starc is looking poor today but we have seen what he is capable of in full rythm in Ashes
 
Buffet said:
3 Aus pacers are ranked 6, 11 and 18.

3 Indian pacers are ranked 23, 27 and 38.


The worst ranked Aus pacer is ranked ahead of the best ranked Indian right now.
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You cannot compare the rankings of Aussies and Indian pacers. Comparing rankings of Aussies pacers with Indian spinners is a closer reflection due to difference in conditions.
 
BaankeJi said:
You cannot compare the rankings of Aussies and Indian pacers. Comparing rankings of Aussies pacers with Indian spinners is a closer reflection due to difference in conditions.
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Aus is not been friendly for visiting pacers. Indian pitches has been friendly for visiting spinners. There have been lots of cases of no name spinners bowling great spell. That's not true in Aus for visiting pacers.
 
BaankeJi said:
You cannot compare the rankings of Aussies and Indian pacers. Comparing rankings of Aussies pacers with Indian spinners is a closer reflection due to difference in conditions.
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Everything is not so simple. Indian pitches are far more spin friendly than aussie pitches pacer friendly. And indian pacers do also play in england/sa. But still their rank lags
 
Messiah said:
Everything is not so simple. Indian pitches are far more spin friendly than aussie pitches pacer friendly. And indian pacers do also play in england/sa. But still their rank lags
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Then there is no way to compare rankings.
 
Okay, now this.

Our fans are so unbelievably unbelievable.


Who will select our trio over the Aus trio, unless he's a desh "bhakt"?
 
Kohli said:
Okay, now this.

Our fans are so unbelievably unbelievable.


Who will select our trio over the Aus trio, unless he's a desh "bhakt"?
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Everyone. As someone said above, Indian pace bowling is second best after South Africans since 2015.
 
Mark Waugh said Bumrah was the best pacer in this game. I don't think many would disagree. Starc is clearly. struggling
 
Are you kidding me? Starc is 3rd best among these 3 Aussies and he’s comfortably better than the best ‘fast’ bowlers India produced. Funny thread really :))
 
BaankeJi said:
Everyone. As someone said above, Indian pace bowling is second best after South Africans since 2015.
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Really happy after winning but, this thread making me feel like minnows claiming to be second best asian team after winning.

Embarassing as an Indian fan to see such threads.
 
Whats embarrasing abt this? Arent these two bowling attacks comparable if they are to bowl in SL/UAE/WI/SA?
 
Lol...people are saying this is embarrasing comparison as if we are comparing our bowling attack with some ATG bowlers....Starc is not Akram...Hazzie is not Mcgrath....Cummins is not Shaun Pollock...They are very much condition dependent...
 
All of the Indian trio alongwith Bhuvi averaged low 20s in SA, if another series is to be played in SA in next 6 months, they would average between 18-20 individually.
How many times Indian pace bowlers get good conditions in subcontinent?
Still whenever we toured overseas our bowlers are getting fifers.
Why wouldn't Aus/Sa/Eng captain not select Bumrah/Shami/Ishant(improved version) over SENA bowlers barring maybe Starc playing in Ind/UAE/WI/SL.
Our pacers have fantastic record in these countries.
 
This is nonsense chest thumping, no one other than a deluded person is going to pick Indian trio or the Aussie one, it's taken shami multiple years to get decent and over a decade for ishant to not be rubbish.
 
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Aussie attack is better imo. Shami is up and down, Bumrah is just starting to scratch the surface, Ishant is well Ishant..
 
Even though some former aussie players are appreciating indian attack highly, I will still say ours is a level below aus trio.
If starc/ hazle is replaced by siddle then we can equate probably.
 
What a rubbish bowler Starc is lol People even compared him with Akram. His accuracy is on par with Pakistan's old Mohammad Sami lol. Neil wagner, Boult are all better than Starc.
 
Kohli said:
Okay, now this.

Our fans are so unbelievably unbelievable.


Who will select our trio over the Aus trio, unless he's a desh "bhakt"?
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Their averages this year

Ishant: 22
Bumrah: 24
Shami: 27
Bhuvi: 20

Hazlewood: 35
Starc: 34
Cummins: 22

I think many people would pick India's bowling attack.
 
It is difficult to explain this to certain people.
I havn't even mentioned that Ind trio is better.
People started to bash like I have compared them with Mcgraths or Akrams or even Gillespies.
Bhuvi and Shami have taken fifers in WI. Ishant have match winning spell against Eng.Bowled well in SA had fifer in NZ.
Bhuvi was instrumental in Eng tour of 2014 and SA tour 2018.
Aus pacers very good but they have nothing significant in Asia barring Starc wickets in SL tour.
 
Australian pace attack gets this one purely because they have done it longer, and better. If Indian pace attack stays together for another 4-5 years with this level of consistency then a resounding yes.
 
Varun said:
Hope you turn up at the end of the series which we would have somehow managed to lose 1-3. ::J
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I think you'll win this series. The Aussies are too heavily out gunned in the batting department. If India somehow manage to lose this then they will mourn this lost opportunity for years to come.

This comparison is pretty absurd though. Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins are far better
 
Batting wise there is no doubt. If Indian trio can bat even half of what Australian trio does, we would be so strong.
 
I rate Hazelwood & Cummins , Starc is a 1 trick pony when he loses the ability to deviate the ball which is often . In Asia , i would pick the Indians & outside , the Aussies .
 
Thats pretty fair assesment.People act as if we are comparing Mcgrath, Akram, Ambrose vs Shrinath, Zaheer, Kapil.
 
I would select 4 bowlers Josh, Mitch, Pat and Bumrah because Bumrah is different and gets speed from his action Bumrah bowled a couple of balls at 153 K's.
 
Aus pace trio was below average in 2018. Each of the trio Averaged mid 30s and only got 12-14 wickets in the 4 tests.
Indian trio comfortably outbowled them.

Today hazlewood and Cummins looked unplayable. Aussie pacers (mostly starc and hazlewood) are inconsistent. When all 3 click at the same time, they're pretty lethal
 
Watching BBC news and they talking about India's humiliation..
However the picture of Bumrah they had in the background, he looks very much like he is chucking.

His action needs to be investigated. I think he is a chucker
 
IMMY69 said:
Watching BBC news and they talking about India's humiliation..
However the picture of Bumrah they had in the background, he looks very much like he is chucking.

His action needs to be investigated. I think he is a chucker
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Agreed

For a long time I tried to give him the benefit of doubt because I know our guys do find it hard to digest an Indian pace bowler doing better than us....but I have also got to the point where I think he needs to be checked. It isn’t a straight arm release by any means
 
The problem ( for teams facing Australia ) is , but its good for cricket, all three of them Starc, Cummins and Hazelwood are still young and will be around 4-5 years at least. And, they all are totally different type of bowlers, what an awesome trio.
 
IMMY69 said:
Watching BBC news and they talking about India's humiliation..
However the picture of Bumrah they had in the background, he looks very much like he is chucking.

His action needs to be investigated. I think he is a chucker
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Obviously his action is very much questionable they should test him.
 
Obviously depends on on conditions. I know which batting team I would pick. Indian bowlers are still way better overall.

Indian batsmen suck. But series isn't over yet. India can turn it around with Kohli.
 
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Hasan123 said:
I'm picking the Australian attack over any attack in the world right now.
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What ? Because they did well in Australia lol?

When they perform like this in India they can claim to be better.

The same attack got wrecked 2 years back.

Our batsmen are ageing and Kohli's brain dead selections are making them look better than they are.
 
tyron_woodley said:
What ? Because they did well in Australia lol?

When they perform like this in India they can claim to be better.

The same attack got wrecked 2 years back.

Our batsmen are ageing and Kohli's brain dead selections are making them look better than they are.
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You judge stats in Asia too much . If they don't perform in Asia, they are a rubbish player.

Lara and Ponting weren't great in India. They are rubbish by your logic.
 
tyron_woodley said:
You judge too much on stats in Sena. I can say the same boy.
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I'd say it should be a 60-40 rating between SENA and Asia.
More competitive teams in SENA - how a player does in Bangladesh is a bit irrelevant
Also a greater variety of conditions in SENA - England, Aus very different
 
therealAB said:
I'd say it should be a 60-40 rating between SENA and Asia.
More competitive teams in SENA - how a player does in Bangladesh is a bit irrelevant
Also a greater variety of conditions in SENA - England, Aus very different
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Regardless it's always easier for Aussies to adapt to England and new Zealand compared to Asian teams.

Because new Zealand has similar Condtions to Aussies. Lot easier to adapt.

How a player does in Sri Lanka, Pakistan is relevant. Bangla is relevant.
 
tyron_woodley said:
Regardless it's always easier for Aussies to adapt to England and new Zealand compared to Asian teams.

Because new Zealand has similar Condtions to Aussies. Lot easier to adapt.

How a player does in Sri Lanka, Pakistan is relevant. Bangla is relevant.
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OK, then we need to add Zimbabwe for 90, 00's players to be as relevant as other countries

NZ, Aus have very different conditions. My point wasn't that it is harder to adapt to Eng, NZ for Aus than Asian teams, it was that there is more diversity within SENA conditions.
There is bouncy but flat (Aus)
Seaming and Swinging (NZ, Eng)
A fast bowlers paradise in between (SA)

SL, Pak, Bangla are less relevant like WI is less relevant - they are weaker test nations and players should be primarily ranked on how they perform against the best; SENA + India
 
therealAB said:
OK, then we need to add Zimbabwe for 90, 00's players to be as relevant as other countries

NZ, Aus have very different conditions. My point wasn't that it is harder to adapt to Eng, NZ for Aus than Asian teams, it was that there is more diversity within SENA conditions.
There is bouncy but flat (Aus)
Seaming and Swinging (NZ, Eng)
A fast bowlers paradise in between (SA)

SL, Pak, Bangla are less relevant like WI is less relevant - they are weaker test nations and players should be primarily ranked on how they perform against the best; SENA + India
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Pakistan is relevant. Sri Lanka is sort of relevant.

Make no mistake. Pakistan would butcher this Aussie side in u.a.e. so would Lanka.

It all matters. Hazelwood and co aren't good enough in Asia.
 
tyron_woodley said:
Pakistan is relevant. Sri Lanka is sort of relevant.

Make no mistake. Pakistan would butcher this Aussie side in u.a.e. so would Lanka.

It all matters. Hazelwood and co aren't good enough in Asia.
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Cummins was class when he played in India, first tests back and bowled very well on flat decks
Hazlewood wasn't great, but Starc dominated in SL
Lyon has become a very good SC spinner

If Lanka is kind of relevant, that 2.5 relevant nations in Asia, compared to 4 in SENA
Hence around a 60% weighting to SENA
 
therealAB said:
Cummins was class when he played in India, first tests back and bowled very well on flat decks
Hazlewood wasn't great, but Starc dominated in SL
Lyon has become a very good SC spinner

If Lanka is kind of relevant, that 2.5 relevant nations in Asia, compared to 4 in SENA
Hence around a 60% weighting to SENA
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Much easier for Australians to adapt to nmz and England than Asian bowlers.

Cummins was average in India. He was really nothing special. I hope they tour again soon. I think they will. Aukat will be blown out of proportion.

Anyway point is, Aussies when they tour England for example thy always play ahsea first. Test is a a pirority.

Same vs n.z

India have to play bullsh*t t20 and bilateral series for monetary reasons ofocurse. Obviously it impacts performances. Long tours will always suit home teams.
 
All SENA countries even Eng and NZ have done well in asia
Its not the same vice a versa. I am sure even NZ would win at least 1 game in a test series in Asia/India against mental midget Pak and Ind teams.
 
KP From India said:
All SENA countries even Eng and NZ have done well in asia
Its not the same vice a versa. I am sure even NZ would win at least 1 game in a test series in Asia/India against mental midget Pak and Ind teams.
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Lol new Zealand got blasted 3 0 last time they toured. They won't win sh*t in India.
 
India won last time in Australia 2-1
India nearly beat South Africa when they had de Villiers Morkel Philander etc.
Lost 2-1.

The only time they got hammered was in n.z 2 0 due to poor preparation and burn out. You don't phucking play t20 and odi before a major test series.

In England we lost yes and yet again we played T20 and odi before. Major test series with a serious injury crisis.

It's not excuses. It's the truth.

When India start losing with their full strength team despite preparing solely for a major test series without any distractions from T20 and odi before an importsnt test series then we can worry.

This is normal. It's expected when you priotize IPL T20 etc before a test series.

If test was so important to this dumb team, why would they leave it right to the end.

But anyway they should be alright. India will not go out without a fight. They will wake up for sure after the disastrous 36.

Otherwise some major heada will be rolling tbh.
 
Imagine a situation, Nz gave a target of 250 on a 5th day to thid batting lineup in Ind. These midgets would get out to Santner, Patel etc. These players are not batsmen but jokers.
 
KP From India said:
Imagine a situation, Nz gave a target of 250 on a 5th day to thid batting lineup in Ind. These midgets would get out to Santner, Patel etc. These players are not batsmen but jokers.
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They would pummel n.z into oblivion just online they did in 2017.

Their technique is world class in this conditions.


It wouldn't even get to that actually because India wills score 400 plus with ease in the first innings and absolutely crush teams.just oytgribd then into dust.
 
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SENA teams have headed in right direction whereas we have moved back in 90s. No stroke makers in test lineup, meek, weak approach.
Ind have not faced quality bowling in their own backyard. Warne, Mcgrath could get them all out in 70 if not 36.
Bowling, yes, top notch. Batting, would barely survive.
 
When did we chase 200+ in India last timein chase?.We always get spin tracks and spun a web in last innings and toss advantage most times. Imagine a few decent spinners on 5 th day vs this batting.
On the other hand, we may able to defend 200 in India with current bowling.
 
tyron_woodley said:
India won last time in Australia 2-1
India nearly beat South Africa when they had de Villiers Morkel Philander etc.
Lost 2-1.

The only time they got hammered was in n.z 2 0 due to poor preparation and burn out. You don't phucking play t20 and odi before a major test series.

In England we lost yes and yet again we played T20 and odi before. Major test series with a serious injury crisis.

It's not excuses. It's the truth.

When India start losing with their full strength team despite preparing solely for a major test series without any distractions from T20 and odi before an importsnt test series then we can worry.

This is normal. It's expected when you priotize IPL T20 etc before a test series.

If test was so important to this dumb team, why would they leave it right to the end.

But anyway they should be alright. India will not go out without a fight. They will wake up for sure after the disastrous 36.

Otherwise some major heada will be rolling tbh.
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Australia nearly beat India in 2017
 
I have been very critical of Hazelwood. As he averages above 30 outside Australia and England. But averaged 32 in india and 35 in sri lanka. This is much better than rabada who averages above 50 in india.

As I said before, aus trio is just inconsistent when they click at the same time. They can get india out for 36.

Starc has been thrashed in india
But took a crazy 23 wickets in 3 tests in sri lanka. He is the most inconsistent out of the 3
Either lethal or garbage
 
Cummins Vs Bumrah
Hazelwood Vs Shami
Starc Vs Ishant
Lyon Vs Ashwin
 
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